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Big Edward
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:10:00 -
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I'm fairly new to EVE but not new to anything else, I'm an old timer in just about every way you can imagine.
I have a question about ransom. I'm pretty sure I'll get in this situation at some point.
So, say I am attacked and held helpless when a ransom demand is made by my attacker. I have two choices, give him the money or die.
The question is this. How do I know he's going to let me go if I pay? I know there are people who play pirates who do so honorably but I also know there are people who don't. That's not an EVE thing, that's a human thing.
Just something that came to mind while reading the boards.
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M00dy
Killed In Action
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: M00dy on 11/01/2008 18:12:23
Most pirates will honor ransoms. I do.
If they don't, name and shame on the forums and they will lose reputation and possibly be wardeced by others.
RATatatatatat - Moody
Killed In Action
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Tal Nok
Amarr
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tal Nok on 11/01/2008 18:15:38
Pay the correct ammount of isk.
Pay in a timely fashion.
Have faith.
 Originally by: hellsknights
It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
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Lithel
Amarr
The Soviet Galactic Union
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:19:00 -
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But in reality there is no guarantee. If whoever ransoms you gets the money, there is nothing but their own conscience to stop from from both taking the ransom and blowing you up.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:34:27
Depends on who they are; try to asses wether they and their corp seem like a honourable pirate corp. There are many pirate corps, mine included, which will kick out people dishonouring ransoms and most likely set them to red.
Also, there's a number of other corps which have a rule about honouring ransoms. I'd always pay to Veto, for example, or such well-known corps, they typically care about their reputation enough not to allow any messing about.
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Big Edward
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:46:00 -
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I guess I'm just kind of curious how often it happens.
My general reaction will probably be to tell them to get bent, I just don't care that much about dying or losing money mainly because I do it so much that I would be curled up in a ball on the floor crying for my Mommy if I let it bother me.
Seems like it from what you folks have said it tracks with about what I expected.
Thanks for the responses.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:49:00 -
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You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation
Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal.
Regards,
Windjammer
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Malka Badi'a
Suffoco Noctis
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:06:00 -
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I'd like to point out that this problem is quickly resolved by not offering ransoms in the first place. ♥
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Kaian Voskhod
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:18:00 -
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A good strategy for ANTI PIRATE should be to ransom people and dishonor ransoms ^ ^.
So no one will want to py when ransomed... It a sneaky hit to piracy =p
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rsim
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:22:00 -
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I want to share my first encounter with a piarte just as a testament that an experienced pirate in a corp will honor their word without a hesitation. I am fairly new to Eve (about 20 days) and was exploring belts in 0.4 system. I was dealing with NPC pirates and then a player piarte from VETO corp. warped in. Now I am a newbie and I knew that I should run while he was still 35km away but figured I had only crap with me so he would not bother with me so I figured I will continue fighting the NPC's. Well my newbie naivitte must be pretty amusing to the experienced pirate posters here. Anyways soon enaugh the pirate started flashig red and at this point I was warp scrambled, I am sure, so the point of no return was crossed. I wish I can tell you that I fought valianlty but it was actually very funny as the 425 Autocannons II ripped thorugh my Celestis in short order. I was sitting there in my pod feeling stupid and not going anywhere because of the web scram. The pirate convo'ed me and we started talking about the pod killing etc. He was very polite and said thank you for my not tlaking smack for my being destroyed. I responded that it would be rather laughable to talk smack if I was stupid enaugh to not run immediately after he warped in. Anyways, to make the long story short, since I had 4-5 implants he offered me the inevitable ransom. Quite honestly I did not think at all that it was just his word that I had about releasing me after the ransom was paid. I paid and he not only released me but offered some invaluable advice for a newbie. He has been in Eve for more than 2 years and is a pirate with a fairly deep negative standing. The point of the story is that yes it is only the word we have after a ransom is paid, but what does an experienced piarte stand to gain from dishonoring his/her word. One more pod kill?! Therefore, I think the risk of dishonoring the pirate's word after a ransom payment is pretty low in solo PvP encounter. Maybe in corporate matters is a whole diffreent story, but then the repercussions are also more sever from such a dishonor. Sorry for my newbie blabber.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:44:00 -
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i've only paid a ransom once, and never will again...so if you trap me, don't bother just pod me if you can :P
if you're going to pay a ransom (which i don't recommend), just don't pay anyone in raketeers, they will pop u anyway
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:54:00 -
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I like to keep my word, both IRL as in EVE. I might be an a$$hole bastard but I'll still keep my word.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:04:00 -
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As a pirate hunter I can comfortably say most pirates will honour ransoms. There is a risk of course like in any transaction done under trust. If they do not honour it name and shame on the forums. Contact their ceo and inform them in a polite fashion (some pirate corps will even reimburse you). Apart from that, suck it up and take the pixel loss. On the whole you are better off paying ransoms I'd say provided they are reasonable.
Also if you are polite in comms with the pirates it can help. Don't smack talk, as this will just irritate them. Negotiate the price if you like, but don't take the ****, and once you've agreed an amount pay it in full to an agreed upon member of the pirate gang.
Not that I condone piracy 
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:15:00 -
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it's better to just take the loss imo, i've always figured if i'm losing, i'm losing - paying a ransom won't do you any good cause eventually you're going to lose to someone who doesn't ransom you, hell even give em the finger if you're scrammed and going to die by self destructing i say...just don't talk smack, it just makes you look stupid
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
it's better to just take the loss imo, i've always figured if i'm losing, i'm losing - paying a ransom won't do you any good cause eventually you're going to lose to someone who doesn't ransom you, hell even give em the finger if you're scrammed and going to die by self destructing i say...just don't talk smack, it just makes you look stupid
Your loss is less if you pay the ransom. That's the whole point of it - mutually profitable (given that you die if you don't accept) arrangement.
"Paying a rasnom won't do you good cause eventually you're going to lose to someone who doesn't ransom you" doesn't change a thing; you'll lose the replacement ship, then. Still you lose less when you pay ransoms.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:48:00 -
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99% ransoms i've been offered are more than the mods on the ship, and i never fly uninsured...so usually it's less if i just let them pop me...besides, i'd rather not contribute to their income, they want the loot on my ship, then so be it, what will drop will be worth less than the ransom, which is good enough for me :P i look at it more from the perspective of how to lessen my opponent's spoils from winning than saving myself money...
...if they're ransoming my pod...go right ahead and pop it, i'm not going to be flying in a clone that is going to hurt my wallet if i lose the implants...
basically don't put yourself in a position where you're going to break your bank if you lose and you don't need to pay any ransoms...let em find someone else who's afraid to get their ass beat down to ransom, no one's going to be getting any money out of me...the value of the beatdown is higher than the ransom anyways b/c yer going to learn not to do what it is that got you killed to begin with...
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
basically don't put yourself in a position where you're going to break your bank if you lose and you don't need to pay any ransoms...let em find someone else who's afraid to get their ass beat down to ransom, no one's going to be getting any money out of me..
Regardless of the does it hurt your wallet or not, you are still poorer if you don't accept ransoms then if you do.
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Inertial
Blood Reavers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:04:00 -
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I left Foundation (yes anti-pirate alliance, btw, if there are any FDN members who see this, I would be Jet), to become a pirate, and formed Blood Reavers together with two friends, and the first thing I decieded was that all ransoms are to be honoured. There is no gain in the long run in not honouring ransoms. If you do honour ransoms people may even respects you despite your less than honourable proffession.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Barakkus
basically don't put yourself in a position where you're going to break your bank if you lose and you don't need to pay any ransoms...let em find someone else who's afraid to get their ass beat down to ransom, no one's going to be getting any money out of me..
Regardless of the does it hurt your wallet or not, you are still poorer if you don't accept ransoms then if you do.
it's a matter of pride, the only time i've ever paid a ransom was so the miner that got can flipped that i was protecting could have time to get his stuff back after i flipped his ore back to my own can, that and i figured even though the ransom was 15 mil more than what i paid for the mods, i'd save myself the trouble...i got popped anyways...i would have been poorer if the raketeer members that ransomed me had honored the ransom...i popped, got my insurance, had an extra set of mods in my hangar that i lost and was off to the races, only 50mil poorer than if i had just gone pop...hell i made a couple million off the insurance anyways
i've lost some, i've won some, don't care too much if i lose the money too b/c it's a video game :P either way i'll recoup whatever it was that got blown up in the end so why pay?
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
I left Foundation (yes anti-pirate alliance, btw, if there are any FDN members who see this, I would be Jet), to become a pirate, and formed Blood Reavers together with two friends, and the first thing I decieded was that all ransoms are to be honoured. There is no gain in the long run in not honouring ransoms. If you do honour ransoms people may even respects you despite your less than honourable proffession.
if they win without cheating then they get my respect anyways for being the better pilot, paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker"
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:29:00 -
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iŠve ransomed a few pilots and strangely enough theyŠve always accepted (maybe i seem trustworthy:) and of course iŠve always honoured them.
but iŠve said this before and iŠll say it again, im not sure i would do the same unless i knew the crop in question. lots of idiots out there like racketeers.
still if i stood a lot to lose in implants or the alike, i might.
its always a gamble. like many things in RL.
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
but iŠve said this before and iŠll say it again, im not sure i would do the same unless i knew the crop in question.
this is probably the only thing that would get me to pay a ransom again, if i knew the people, but i don't trust anyone in eve to live up to their part of the bargain unless they're in my corp
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker"
iŠve yet to see a pirate post in this forum a "haha this idiot payed ransom, hes such a loser"-thread.
only bitter carebears and anti-pies say dont take ransoms
saying that not paying ransoms will decrease piracy
is like saying removing non-consentual pvp from eve will bring more people to eve
pirates pirate be cause theyŠre pirates. if no one accepted ransoms, pirates would very simply stop offering them!!!
then where would you be? iŠll tell you, whining here about how no one offers ransoms
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:42:00 -
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hey Big Ed, maybe you should rename this thread "A Can Of Worms"
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:43:00 -
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i wouldn't be here whining about not having ransoms, i'm sure other people would :P
and yeah i think that paying one puts a sign on yer head that says "sucker", cause yer more likely to be targeted again for some easy money
i could care less if there are pirates, it's good, brings some pvp to the game, but i personally believe that paying a ransom is a good way to get yerself labeled as easy money
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Atomos Darksun
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.11 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 11/01/2008 22:01:15
Blood Blind always honors ransoms. Havoc would kick you if you didn't, most likely.
We also accept paper banjo's as ransom.
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Praxis1452
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.11 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
i wouldn't be here whining about not having ransoms, i'm sure other people would :P
and yeah i think that paying one puts a sign on yer head that says "sucker", cause yer more likely to be targeted again for some easy money
i could care less if there are pirates, it's good, brings some pvp to the game, but i personally believe that paying a ransom is a good way to get yerself labeled as easy money
Piracy is pure opportunism. There is no pirate who will hunt you and camp you in station, then ransom you so he will leave. That's moreso a merc who has already been paid.
No pirate would be like," hey he's a sucker", More likely they would say, "let's not just blow him out of the water really quick because he has accepted a ransom from us before." <- is what I'd bet on from experience.
ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 11/01/2008 22:07:55
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 11/01/2008 22:01:15
Blood Blind always honors ransoms. Havoc would kick you if you didn't, most likely.
We also accept paper banjo's as ransom.
lol that's awesome
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Lithel
Amarr
The Soviet Galactic Union
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Posted - 2008.01.11 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:34:27
Depends on who they are; try to asses wether they and their corp seem like a honourable pirate corp. There are many pirate corps, mine included, which will kick out people dishonouring ransoms and most likely set them to red.
Yeah, try to do that in the 30 seconds a pirate will give you before continuing his assault on you. 
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jimmyjam
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.11 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
As a pirate hunter I can comfortably say most pirates will honour ransoms. There is a risk of course like in any transaction done under trust. If they do not honour it name and shame on the forums. Contact their ceo and inform them in a polite fashion (some pirate corps will even reimburse you). Apart from that, suck it up and take the pixel loss. On the whole you are better off paying ransoms I'd say provided they are reasonable.
Also if you are polite in comms with the pirates it can help. Don't smack talk, as this will just irritate them. Negotiate the price if you like, but don't take the ****, and once you've agreed an amount pay it in full to an agreed upon member of the pirate gang.
Not that I condone piracy
Since when did you become an anti pie!?
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