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Corstaad Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:05:00 - [31] I only try to ransom pod's may have to try with ships someday but since I fly small I pretty much have no tank. If your pod is caught you really should pay the ransom or else your implants are going to cost you. I wish implants where posted on killmails so you could look back on podding.
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:22:00 - [32] lol honouring ransoms.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:44:00 - [33] I'd rather lose billions worth of ship, fittings and cargo than pay a single isk in ransom. Never pay. It's giving in.
Adelorae24 Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate lol honouring ransoms. LMAO... That^^ Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer Well, people always come up with comments like the above. BUT In a couple of years pvp'ing, with a very large mixture of pilots (both as a solo pirate, in the privateer alliance and as a low sec liberator) I can honestly say ive never seen anyone dishonor an agreed ransom. Once the ransom has been agreed and paid, they have always been let go. SKUNK
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer do not listen to this guy....he is not a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devil's advocate. Pay the ransom if you want to keep your ship, plain and simple. Ransoms are not honored from time to time, but these players and activities are severly looked down upon from the respectable pirate corps. Most corps have a rule that ransoms are to be honored. If anyone in BEES (my corp) dishonors a ransom they WILL be kicked from the corp. Reputation is such that many pirate corps will go to long lenghts to keep theirs intact. All that being said, if you pay a ransom and it is not honored simply come here to the forums and "name&shame" the person and corp...most always they will be set or added to a KOS (kill on sight) list, though tbh if you arn't blue you are KOS anyhow. I think you get the idea though. Arek- Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Barakkus paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker" says the guy who obviously doesn't have implants I have ransomed a few people in my day, and bet your a$$ that I will pay if I ever get caught, call me a sucker all you want, at least my implants will be safe. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Gar'vak Torin	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:09:00 - [38] Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:13:00 - [39] Edited by: Arekhon on 12/01/2008 02:22:08 Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. yes it is true, I still live in your mom's basement. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:16:00 - [40] Edited by: MirrorGod on 12/01/2008 02:20:50 To quote Heretic Army's piracy code: Quote: 4) Always honor your ransom 5) Always honor a 1v1 6) Impartial ransoms are your client going bad on his side of the deal. You set the number, if they pay a different value, they explode. To all those who are saying ransoms are BS and don't pay, think about this. A pirate is going to ask for less than the ships value most of the time. For big ransoms, I'll use a ship scanner to look for faction kit. I always pick a number less than total value. Now, when it comes right down to it, you're saving both time and money. Time because by my system atleast, you're paying less than you would to replace it. Plus you still have your ship to make more money. Additionally, think about the time you waste buying everything over, rekitting, reinsuring if it's a T1, time that you could otherwise spend moving cargo, ratting, mining, or doing whatever it was you were up to. Ransoms are in my opinion a favor to the "client". I make enough money from other methods, I like killmails just as a good ransom. I think it's very important to honor a ransom, I look at it as business. 1v1's are much the same, all terms should be set before the agreement, if they are not, the only rule of a 1v1 is that there are only 2 people involved, period. Impartial ransoms bother me, and are not refunded. If someone incompetent enough to agree to 30 mil and only send 15, they explode. Simple. ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer do not listen to this guy....he is not a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devil's advocate. Pay the ransom if you want to keep your ship, plain and simple. Ransoms are not honored from time to time, but these players and activities are severly looked down upon from the respectable pirate corps. Most corps have a rule that ransoms are to be honored. If anyone in BEES (my corp) dishonors a ransom they WILL be kicked from the corp. Reputation is such that many pirate corps will go to long lenghts to keep theirs intact. All that being said, if you pay a ransom and it is not honored simply come here to the forums and "name&shame" the person and corp...most always they will be set or added to a KOS (kill on sight) list, though tbh if you arn't blue you are KOS anyhow. I think you get the idea though. Arek- Do not listen to this guy. He's a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devils advocate. Of course I'm not a pirate. I'm anti pirate. It doesn't change the accuracy of what I posted. Look at the last sentence Arekhon quoted me on; "Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no quarantee they'll abide by the deal". In his reply to my quote he essentially says the same thing. Arekhon and I have spared for a few weeks in these forums and I'd have to say if he or one of his corp tries to ransom you, they will in all probability honor the ransom. I KNOW him. I KNOW of him and his corp. Unless you KNOW or KNOW of a person, there's no reason to trust them and many pirates will laugh their butts off while you blow up after you've paid the ransom. It may be looked down on by Arekhon and others like him, but even he admits it happens. As far as naming and shaming rats that don't "honor" ransoms? Please! The type of rat that doesn't honor ransoms is the type of rat that would love to see his name posted. That type eats up hate mail, whines and any kind of lime light they can get. All that having been said, I would not pay Arekhon ransom. I'm sure he'd honor it if I did pay, but I'd suffer a physiological reaction if I did so. Paying ransom goes against my grain and I'm sure not going to do it just to save a ship or implants. I can always get more. Regards, Windjammer
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Barakkus paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker" says the guy who obviously doesn't have implants I have ransomed a few people in my day, and bet your a$$ that I will pay if I ever get caught, call me a sucker all you want, at least my implants will be safe. i do, just cheap one from LP stores, if i'm going to end up in some pvp...jump clones ftw :P and i'm not going to get caught in a losing situation with something i can't comfortably replace...i learned that really early on... and if you run into the wrong person they're not going to be safe...
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:04:00 - [43] Originally by: MirrorGod To all those who are saying ransoms are BS and don't pay, think about this. A pirate is going to ask for less than the ships value most of the time. For big ransoms, I'll use a ship scanner to look for faction kit. I always pick a number less than total value. Now, when it comes right down to it, you're saving both time and money. Time because by my system atleast, you're paying less than you would to replace it. Plus you still have your ship to make more money. Additionally, think about the time you waste buying everything over, rekitting, reinsuring if it's a T1, time that you could otherwise spend moving cargo, ratting, mining, or doing whatever it was you were up to. Ransoms are in my opinion a favor to the "client". I make enough money from other methods, I like killmails just as a good ransom. I think it's very important to honor a ransom, I look at it as business. 1v1's are much the same, all terms should be set before the agreement, if they are not, the only rule of a 1v1 is that there are only 2 people involved, period. Impartial ransoms bother me, and are not refunded. If someone incompetent enough to agree to 30 mil and only send 15, they explode. Simple. the majority of the cases i've run into they ask more than what it's worth...i go by the rule that there is no such thing as 1v1 unless yer on test...i ALWAYS expect backup to show up...no matter what i don't fly it unless i have a backup set of mods...learned that there is ALWAYS the potential of losing yer ship, and i'd rather not spend the time to get the stuff again until i want to...
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer do not listen to this guy....he is not a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devil's advocate. Pay the ransom if you want to keep your ship, plain and simple. Ransoms are not honored from time to time, but these players and activities are severly looked down upon from the respectable pirate corps. Most corps have a rule that ransoms are to be honored. If anyone in BEES (my corp) dishonors a ransom they WILL be kicked from the corp. Reputation is such that many pirate corps will go to long lenghts to keep theirs intact. All that being said, if you pay a ransom and it is not honored simply come here to the forums and "name&shame" the person and corp...most always they will be set or added to a KOS (kill on sight) list, though tbh if you arn't blue you are KOS anyhow. I think you get the idea though. Arek- Arekhon and I have spared for a few weeks in these forums and I'd have to say if he or one of his corp tries to ransom you, they will in all probability honor the ransom. I KNOW him. I KNOW of him and his corp. Unless you KNOW or KNOW of a person, there's no reason to trust them and many pirates will laugh their butts off while you blow up after you've paid the ransom. It may be looked down on by Arekhon and others like him, but even he admits it happens. All that having been said, I would not pay Arekhon ransom. I'm sure he'd honor it if I did pay, but I'd suffer a physiological reaction if I did so. Paying ransom goes against my grain and I'm sure not going to do it just to save a ship or implants. I can always get more. Regards, Windjammer well....i guess i'm pwned, cheers. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Barakkus the majority of the cases i've run into they ask more than what it's worth...i go by the rule that there is no such thing as 1v1 unless yer on test...i ALWAYS expect backup to show up...no matter what i don't fly it unless i have a backup set of mods...learned that there is ALWAYS the potential of losing yer ship, and i'd rather not spend the time to get the stuff again until i want to... Well, firstly, you haven't had the honor of being ransomed by ANTI, and secondly, the one with the warp disruptor is the one that sets the number, so if they went too high, sucks, but end of the day they're the ones to name the ransom. Secondly, I feel the same about 1v1's, I don't trust many to honor it, but I do make sure pilots honor thiers, I feel it's the least I can do ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Corstaad Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:46:00 - [46] Jumpclones are fine and dandy but if your playing the pvp game everyday its not practical to be in lesser implants. Also its going to happen someday where you'll lag or they got a instant lock scrambler to catch your pod. You'll hope they offer a ransom and just don't pod you.
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. lol I sense bitterness. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Captain Lock Amarr State War Academy Glory	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:29:00 - [48] It's funny, back in my noob month I was flying a hurricane in low sec a bunch . Yup, well anyways I woulda been happy to pay ransom but they never offered, so they got a whole bunch of t1 crap. Oh well. What makes no sense though, is my first can flip ^^. Got the Retreiver into hull and told him to pay up 1 mil, he cussed me out so I popped him. Well, I managed to snag one of his Strip Is and proceeded to undercut the system.. And to my surprise the guy I just flipped decided to buy the strip that I was selling. So I made three mil off the guy that refused to pay one
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.12 18:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. Tell me what kind of people play a computer game where they sit in an imaginary asteroid belt and shoot lasers at rocks... or where you you repeatedly activate modules on a variety of red crosses. I doubt someone who suceeds in rl is going to be partaking in any of those activities. Now get back in your basement!
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Arekhon [:oops: well....i guess i'm pwned, cheers. No sweat. You got me last week, I think. It was my turn.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Mik kyo Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. Tell me what kind of people play a computer game where they sit in an imaginary asteroid belt and shoot lasers at rocks... or where you you repeatedly activate modules on a variety of red crosses. I doubt someone who suceeds in rl is going to be partaking in any of those activities. Now get back in your basement! Soooo.........anybody who plays EVE lives in their mom's basement? I predict this will not be a popular sentiment.
Thiefy McBackstab	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:08:00 - [52] Oh noes a troll! Quick grab the torches so it doesn't regenerate!
Redglare's Demise Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Kehmor As a pirate hunter I can comfortably say most pirates will honour ransoms. There is a risk of course like in any transaction done under trust. If they do not honour it name and shame on the forums. Contact their ceo and inform them in a polite fashion (some pirate corps will even reimburse you). Apart from that, suck it up and take the pixel loss. On the whole you are better off paying ransoms I'd say provided they are reasonable. Also if you are polite in comms with the pirates it can help. Don't smack talk, as this will just irritate them. Negotiate the price if you like, but don't take the ****, and once you've agreed an amount pay it in full to an agreed upon member of the pirate gang. Not that I condone piracy You are pretty much spot on, except for one thing - the word "negotiate." If I offer a target a ransom, it is likely he will save much time and money by accepting it. Paying the ransom is likely to benefit him a great deal, instead of getting popped and podded. After bestowing the target with the grace of a ransom offer, it is unlikely I will accept any attempts to negotiate...
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:20:00 - [54] Originally by: M00dy Edited by: M00dy on 11/01/2008 18:12:23 Most pirates will honor ransoms. I do. If they don't, name and shame on the forums and they will lose reputation and possibly be wardeced by others. Muffin Factory has honored ransoms for 3.5yrs and hate the ones who dont. Join Muffin Factory
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:23:00 - [55] Pay ransoms never accept a challenge to a D-d-d-d-d-d-d Duel For those of you that say I'll never fund a terrorist. I hope that good feeling of yours insta jumps you into jita and have fun shopping
Centinel 6 Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:29:00 - [56] E, To answer your question, you dont know for sure he will let you go, but most repitable Pirate corps make it maniditory to honor them. C6 Quote: Making 6 Inches feel like 12 one hauler at a time
Yonneh Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Centinel 6 E, To answer your question, you dont know for sure he will let you go, but most repitable Pirate corps make it maniditory to honor them. C6 Correct, all decent pirate corps will honor them. Always keep to our word
G3ghj	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:35:00 - [58] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Muffin Factory has honored ransoms for 3.5yrs and hate the ones who dont. Aren¦t you in a ally with rack?
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:18:00 - [59] Barakkus Ok we get it you don't pay!!! Most of the time pirates wont ask for ransom - if they do pay - I have been ransomed and I have given ransoms and Never seen one broken. However, it does happen and Veto are not the only corp that will let you go, most new corps would as well... Anyway everyone knows anti-pirates are the biggest scumbag liars

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