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Big Edward Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:10:00 - [1] I'm fairly new to EVE but not new to anything else, I'm an old timer in just about every way you can imagine. I have a question about ransom. I'm pretty sure I'll get in this situation at some point. So, say I am attacked and held helpless when a ransom demand is made by my attacker. I have two choices, give him the money or die. The question is this. How do I know he's going to let me go if I pay? I know there are people who play pirates who do so honorably but I also know there are people who don't. That's not an EVE thing, that's a human thing. Just something that came to mind while reading the boards. Big Ed
M00dy Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:12:00 - [2] Edited by: M00dy on 11/01/2008 18:12:23 Most pirates will honor ransoms. I do. If they don't, name and shame on the forums and they will lose reputation and possibly be wardeced by others. RATatatatatat - Moody Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Tal Nok on 11/01/2008 18:15:38 Pay the correct ammount of isk. Pay in a timely fashion. Have faith. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
Lithel Amarr The Soviet Galactic Union	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:19:00 - [4] But in reality there is no guarantee. If whoever ransoms you gets the money, there is nothing but their own conscience to stop from from both taking the ransom and blowing you up. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:26:00 - [5] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:34:27 Depends on who they are; try to asses wether they and their corp seem like a honourable pirate corp. There are many pirate corps, mine included, which will kick out people dishonouring ransoms and most likely set them to red. Also, there's a number of other corps which have a rule about honouring ransoms. I'd always pay to Veto, for example, or such well-known corps, they typically care about their reputation enough not to allow any messing about. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Big Edward Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:46:00 - [6] I guess I'm just kind of curious how often it happens. My general reaction will probably be to tell them to get bent, I just don't care that much about dying or losing money mainly because I do it so much that I would be curled up in a ball on the floor crying for my Mommy if I let it bother me. Seems like it from what you folks have said it tracks with about what I expected. Thanks for the responses. Big Ed
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:49:00 - [7] You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer
Malka Badi'a Suffoco Noctis	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:06:00 - [8] I'd like to point out that this problem is quickly resolved by not offering ransoms in the first place. ♥ ---------
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:18:00 - [9] A good strategy for ANTI PIRATE should be to ransom people and dishonor ransoms ^ ^. So no one will want to py when ransomed... It a sneaky hit to piracy =p
rsim	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:22:00 - [10] I want to share my first encounter with a piarte just as a testament that an experienced pirate in a corp will honor their word without a hesitation. I am fairly new to Eve (about 20 days) and was exploring belts in 0.4 system. I was dealing with NPC pirates and then a player piarte from VETO corp. warped in. Now I am a newbie and I knew that I should run while he was still 35km away but figured I had only crap with me so he would not bother with me so I figured I will continue fighting the NPC's. Well my newbie naivitte must be pretty amusing to the experienced pirate posters here. Anyways soon enaugh the pirate started flashig red and at this point I was warp scrambled, I am sure, so the point of no return was crossed. I wish I can tell you that I fought valianlty but it was actually very funny as the 425 Autocannons II ripped thorugh my Celestis in short order. I was sitting there in my pod feeling stupid and not going anywhere because of the web scram. The pirate convo'ed me and we started talking about the pod killing etc. He was very polite and said thank you for my not tlaking smack for my being destroyed. I responded that it would be rather laughable to talk smack if I was stupid enaugh to not run immediately after he warped in. Anyways, to make the long story short, since I had 4-5 implants he offered me the inevitable ransom. Quite honestly I did not think at all that it was just his word that I had about releasing me after the ransom was paid. I paid and he not only released me but offered some invaluable advice for a newbie. He has been in Eve for more than 2 years and is a pirate with a fairly deep negative standing. The point of the story is that yes it is only the word we have after a ransom is paid, but what does an experienced piarte stand to gain from dishonoring his/her word. One more pod kill?! Therefore, I think the risk of dishonoring the pirate's word after a ransom payment is pretty low in solo PvP encounter. Maybe in corporate matters is a whole diffreent story, but then the repercussions are also more sever from such a dishonor. Sorry for my newbie blabber.
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:44:00 - [11] i've only paid a ransom once, and never will again...so if you trap me, don't bother just pod me if you can :P if you're going to pay a ransom (which i don't recommend), just don't pay anyone in raketeers, they will pop u anyway
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:54:00 - [12] I like to keep my word, both IRL as in EVE. I might be an a$$hole bastard but I'll still keep my word.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:04:00 - [13] As a pirate hunter I can comfortably say most pirates will honour ransoms. There is a risk of course like in any transaction done under trust. If they do not honour it name and shame on the forums. Contact their ceo and inform them in a polite fashion (some pirate corps will even reimburse you). Apart from that, suck it up and take the pixel loss. On the whole you are better off paying ransoms I'd say provided they are reasonable. Also if you are polite in comms with the pirates it can help. Don't smack talk, as this will just irritate them. Negotiate the price if you like, but don't take the ****, and once you've agreed an amount pay it in full to an agreed upon member of the pirate gang. Not that I condone piracy PAK is recruiting!
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:15:00 - [14] it's better to just take the loss imo, i've always figured if i'm losing, i'm losing - paying a ransom won't do you any good cause eventually you're going to lose to someone who doesn't ransom you, hell even give em the finger if you're scrammed and going to die by self destructing i say...just don't talk smack, it just makes you look stupid
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Barakkus it's better to just take the loss imo, i've always figured if i'm losing, i'm losing - paying a ransom won't do you any good cause eventually you're going to lose to someone who doesn't ransom you, hell even give em the finger if you're scrammed and going to die by self destructing i say...just don't talk smack, it just makes you look stupid Your loss is less if you pay the ransom. That's the whole point of it - mutually profitable (given that you die if you don't accept) arrangement. "Paying a rasnom won't do you good cause eventually you're going to lose to someone who doesn't ransom you" doesn't change a thing; you'll lose the replacement ship, then. Still you lose less when you pay ransoms. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:48:00 - [16] 99% ransoms i've been offered are more than the mods on the ship, and i never fly uninsured...so usually it's less if i just let them pop me...besides, i'd rather not contribute to their income, they want the loot on my ship, then so be it, what will drop will be worth less than the ransom, which is good enough for me :P i look at it more from the perspective of how to lessen my opponent's spoils from winning than saving myself money... ...if they're ransoming my pod...go right ahead and pop it, i'm not going to be flying in a clone that is going to hurt my wallet if i lose the implants... basically don't put yourself in a position where you're going to break your bank if you lose and you don't need to pay any ransoms...let em find someone else who's afraid to get their ass beat down to ransom, no one's going to be getting any money out of me...the value of the beatdown is higher than the ransom anyways b/c yer going to learn not to do what it is that got you killed to begin with...
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Barakkus basically don't put yourself in a position where you're going to break your bank if you lose and you don't need to pay any ransoms...let em find someone else who's afraid to get their ass beat down to ransom, no one's going to be getting any money out of me.. Regardless of the does it hurt your wallet or not, you are still poorer if you don't accept ransoms then if you do. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Inertial Blood Reavers	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:04:00 - [18] I left Foundation (yes anti-pirate alliance, btw, if there are any FDN members who see this, I would be Jet), to become a pirate, and formed Blood Reavers together with two friends, and the first thing I decieded was that all ransoms are to be honoured. There is no gain in the long run in not honouring ransoms. If you do honour ransoms people may even respects you despite your less than honourable proffession.
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Barakkus basically don't put yourself in a position where you're going to break your bank if you lose and you don't need to pay any ransoms...let em find someone else who's afraid to get their ass beat down to ransom, no one's going to be getting any money out of me.. Regardless of the does it hurt your wallet or not, you are still poorer if you don't accept ransoms then if you do. it's a matter of pride, the only time i've ever paid a ransom was so the miner that got can flipped that i was protecting could have time to get his stuff back after i flipped his ore back to my own can, that and i figured even though the ransom was 15 mil more than what i paid for the mods, i'd save myself the trouble...i got popped anyways...i would have been poorer if the raketeer members that ransomed me had honored the ransom...i popped, got my insurance, had an extra set of mods in my hangar that i lost and was off to the races, only 50mil poorer than if i had just gone pop...hell i made a couple million off the insurance anyways i've lost some, i've won some, don't care too much if i lose the money too b/c it's a video game :P either way i'll recoup whatever it was that got blown up in the end so why pay?
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Inertial I left Foundation (yes anti-pirate alliance, btw, if there are any FDN members who see this, I would be Jet), to become a pirate, and formed Blood Reavers together with two friends, and the first thing I decieded was that all ransoms are to be honoured. There is no gain in the long run in not honouring ransoms. If you do honour ransoms people may even respects you despite your less than honourable proffession. if they win without cheating then they get my respect anyways for being the better pilot, paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker"
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:29:00 - [21] i¦ve ransomed a few pilots and strangely enough they¦ve always accepted (maybe i seem trustworthy:) and of course i¦ve always honoured them. but i¦ve said this before and i¦ll say it again, im not sure i would do the same unless i knew the crop in question. lots of idiots out there like racketeers. still if i stood a lot to lose in implants or the alike, i might. its always a gamble. like many things in RL. Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Wind Ictiva but i¦ve said this before and i¦ll say it again, im not sure i would do the same unless i knew the crop in question. this is probably the only thing that would get me to pay a ransom again, if i knew the people, but i don't trust anyone in eve to live up to their part of the bargain unless they're in my corp
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Barakkus paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker" i¦ve yet to see a pirate post in this forum a "haha this idiot payed ransom, hes such a loser"-thread. only bitter carebears and anti-pies say dont take ransoms saying that not paying ransoms will decrease piracy is like saying removing non-consentual pvp from eve will bring more people to eve pirates pirate be cause they¦re pirates. if no one accepted ransoms, pirates would very simply stop offering them!!! then where would you be? i¦ll tell you, whining here about how no one offers ransoms Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:42:00 - [24] hey Big Ed, maybe you should rename this thread "A Can Of Worms" Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:43:00 - [25] i wouldn't be here whining about not having ransoms, i'm sure other people would :P and yeah i think that paying one puts a sign on yer head that says "sucker", cause yer more likely to be targeted again for some easy money i could care less if there are pirates, it's good, brings some pvp to the game, but i personally believe that paying a ransom is a good way to get yerself labeled as easy money
Atomos Darksun Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:01:00 - [26] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 11/01/2008 22:01:15 Blood Blind always honors ransoms. Havoc would kick you if you didn't, most likely. We also accept paper banjo's as ransom. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Barakkus i wouldn't be here whining about not having ransoms, i'm sure other people would :P and yeah i think that paying one puts a sign on yer head that says "sucker", cause yer more likely to be targeted again for some easy money i could care less if there are pirates, it's good, brings some pvp to the game, but i personally believe that paying a ransom is a good way to get yerself labeled as easy money Piracy is pure opportunism. There is no pirate who will hunt you and camp you in station, then ransom you so he will leave. That's moreso a merc who has already been paid. No pirate would be like," hey he's a sucker", More likely they would say, "let's not just blow him out of the water really quick because he has accepted a ransom from us before." <- is what I'd bet on from experience. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:07:00 - [28] Edited by: Barakkus on 11/01/2008 22:07:55 Originally by: Atomos Darksun Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 11/01/2008 22:01:15 Blood Blind always honors ransoms. Havoc would kick you if you didn't, most likely. We also accept paper banjo's as ransom. lol that's awesome
Lithel Amarr The Soviet Galactic Union	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/01/2008 18:34:27 Depends on who they are; try to asses wether they and their corp seem like a honourable pirate corp. There are many pirate corps, mine included, which will kick out people dishonouring ransoms and most likely set them to red. Yeah, try to do that in the 30 seconds a pirate will give you before continuing his assault on you. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
jimmyjam Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Kehmor As a pirate hunter I can comfortably say most pirates will honour ransoms. There is a risk of course like in any transaction done under trust. If they do not honour it name and shame on the forums. Contact their ceo and inform them in a polite fashion (some pirate corps will even reimburse you). Apart from that, suck it up and take the pixel loss. On the whole you are better off paying ransoms I'd say provided they are reasonable. Also if you are polite in comms with the pirates it can help. Don't smack talk, as this will just irritate them. Negotiate the price if you like, but don't take the ****, and once you've agreed an amount pay it in full to an agreed upon member of the pirate gang. Not that I condone piracy Since when did you become an anti pie!? -----------------------------------------------
Corstaad Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:05:00 - [31] I only try to ransom pod's may have to try with ships someday but since I fly small I pretty much have no tank. If your pod is caught you really should pay the ransom or else your implants are going to cost you. I wish implants where posted on killmails so you could look back on podding.
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:22:00 - [32] lol honouring ransoms.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:44:00 - [33] I'd rather lose billions worth of ship, fittings and cargo than pay a single isk in ransom. Never pay. It's giving in.
Adelorae24 Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate lol honouring ransoms. LMAO... That^^ Alien (1979): "Before we dock, I think we ought to discuss the bonus situation."
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer Well, people always come up with comments like the above. BUT In a couple of years pvp'ing, with a very large mixture of pilots (both as a solo pirate, in the privateer alliance and as a low sec liberator) I can honestly say ive never seen anyone dishonor an agreed ransom. Once the ransom has been agreed and paid, they have always been let go. SKUNK
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer do not listen to this guy....he is not a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devil's advocate. Pay the ransom if you want to keep your ship, plain and simple. Ransoms are not honored from time to time, but these players and activities are severly looked down upon from the respectable pirate corps. Most corps have a rule that ransoms are to be honored. If anyone in BEES (my corp) dishonors a ransom they WILL be kicked from the corp. Reputation is such that many pirate corps will go to long lenghts to keep theirs intact. All that being said, if you pay a ransom and it is not honored simply come here to the forums and "name&shame" the person and corp...most always they will be set or added to a KOS (kill on sight) list, though tbh if you arn't blue you are KOS anyhow. I think you get the idea though. Arek- Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Barakkus paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker" says the guy who obviously doesn't have implants I have ransomed a few people in my day, and bet your a$$ that I will pay if I ever get caught, call me a sucker all you want, at least my implants will be safe. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Gar'vak Torin	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:09:00 - [38] Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:13:00 - [39] Edited by: Arekhon on 12/01/2008 02:22:08 Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. yes it is true, I still live in your mom's basement. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:16:00 - [40] Edited by: MirrorGod on 12/01/2008 02:20:50 To quote Heretic Army's piracy code: Quote: 4) Always honor your ransom 5) Always honor a 1v1 6) Impartial ransoms are your client going bad on his side of the deal. You set the number, if they pay a different value, they explode. To all those who are saying ransoms are BS and don't pay, think about this. A pirate is going to ask for less than the ships value most of the time. For big ransoms, I'll use a ship scanner to look for faction kit. I always pick a number less than total value. Now, when it comes right down to it, you're saving both time and money. Time because by my system atleast, you're paying less than you would to replace it. Plus you still have your ship to make more money. Additionally, think about the time you waste buying everything over, rekitting, reinsuring if it's a T1, time that you could otherwise spend moving cargo, ratting, mining, or doing whatever it was you were up to. Ransoms are in my opinion a favor to the "client". I make enough money from other methods, I like killmails just as a good ransom. I think it's very important to honor a ransom, I look at it as business. 1v1's are much the same, all terms should be set before the agreement, if they are not, the only rule of a 1v1 is that there are only 2 people involved, period. Impartial ransoms bother me, and are not refunded. If someone incompetent enough to agree to 30 mil and only send 15, they explode. Simple. ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer do not listen to this guy....he is not a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devil's advocate. Pay the ransom if you want to keep your ship, plain and simple. Ransoms are not honored from time to time, but these players and activities are severly looked down upon from the respectable pirate corps. Most corps have a rule that ransoms are to be honored. If anyone in BEES (my corp) dishonors a ransom they WILL be kicked from the corp. Reputation is such that many pirate corps will go to long lenghts to keep theirs intact. All that being said, if you pay a ransom and it is not honored simply come here to the forums and "name&shame" the person and corp...most always they will be set or added to a KOS (kill on sight) list, though tbh if you arn't blue you are KOS anyhow. I think you get the idea though. Arek- Do not listen to this guy. He's a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devils advocate. Of course I'm not a pirate. I'm anti pirate. It doesn't change the accuracy of what I posted. Look at the last sentence Arekhon quoted me on; "Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no quarantee they'll abide by the deal". In his reply to my quote he essentially says the same thing. Arekhon and I have spared for a few weeks in these forums and I'd have to say if he or one of his corp tries to ransom you, they will in all probability honor the ransom. I KNOW him. I KNOW of him and his corp. Unless you KNOW or KNOW of a person, there's no reason to trust them and many pirates will laugh their butts off while you blow up after you've paid the ransom. It may be looked down on by Arekhon and others like him, but even he admits it happens. As far as naming and shaming rats that don't "honor" ransoms? Please! The type of rat that doesn't honor ransoms is the type of rat that would love to see his name posted. That type eats up hate mail, whines and any kind of lime light they can get. All that having been said, I would not pay Arekhon ransom. I'm sure he'd honor it if I did pay, but I'd suffer a physiological reaction if I did so. Paying ransom goes against my grain and I'm sure not going to do it just to save a ship or implants. I can always get more. Regards, Windjammer
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Barakkus paying a ransom paints a big ole target on your head that says "sucker" says the guy who obviously doesn't have implants I have ransomed a few people in my day, and bet your a$$ that I will pay if I ever get caught, call me a sucker all you want, at least my implants will be safe. i do, just cheap one from LP stores, if i'm going to end up in some pvp...jump clones ftw :P and i'm not going to get caught in a losing situation with something i can't comfortably replace...i learned that really early on... and if you run into the wrong person they're not going to be safe...
Barakkus	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:04:00 - [43] Originally by: MirrorGod To all those who are saying ransoms are BS and don't pay, think about this. A pirate is going to ask for less than the ships value most of the time. For big ransoms, I'll use a ship scanner to look for faction kit. I always pick a number less than total value. Now, when it comes right down to it, you're saving both time and money. Time because by my system atleast, you're paying less than you would to replace it. Plus you still have your ship to make more money. Additionally, think about the time you waste buying everything over, rekitting, reinsuring if it's a T1, time that you could otherwise spend moving cargo, ratting, mining, or doing whatever it was you were up to. Ransoms are in my opinion a favor to the "client". I make enough money from other methods, I like killmails just as a good ransom. I think it's very important to honor a ransom, I look at it as business. 1v1's are much the same, all terms should be set before the agreement, if they are not, the only rule of a 1v1 is that there are only 2 people involved, period. Impartial ransoms bother me, and are not refunded. If someone incompetent enough to agree to 30 mil and only send 15, they explode. Simple. the majority of the cases i've run into they ask more than what it's worth...i go by the rule that there is no such thing as 1v1 unless yer on test...i ALWAYS expect backup to show up...no matter what i don't fly it unless i have a backup set of mods...learned that there is ALWAYS the potential of losing yer ship, and i'd rather not spend the time to get the stuff again until i want to...
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 03:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Arekhon Originally by: Windjammer You DON'T know if he's going to let you go if you pay. He's got a gun to your head and says, "trust me". Makes me laugh everytime I think of the hypocrisy of that situation Don't pay. Better to lose ships than dignity. You can always replace ships. Unless you know the person or of the person, there is no guarantee they'll abide by the deal. Regards, Windjammer do not listen to this guy....he is not a pirate! He just sits in these forums playing devil's advocate. Pay the ransom if you want to keep your ship, plain and simple. Ransoms are not honored from time to time, but these players and activities are severly looked down upon from the respectable pirate corps. Most corps have a rule that ransoms are to be honored. If anyone in BEES (my corp) dishonors a ransom they WILL be kicked from the corp. Reputation is such that many pirate corps will go to long lenghts to keep theirs intact. All that being said, if you pay a ransom and it is not honored simply come here to the forums and "name&shame" the person and corp...most always they will be set or added to a KOS (kill on sight) list, though tbh if you arn't blue you are KOS anyhow. I think you get the idea though. Arek- Arekhon and I have spared for a few weeks in these forums and I'd have to say if he or one of his corp tries to ransom you, they will in all probability honor the ransom. I KNOW him. I KNOW of him and his corp. Unless you KNOW or KNOW of a person, there's no reason to trust them and many pirates will laugh their butts off while you blow up after you've paid the ransom. It may be looked down on by Arekhon and others like him, but even he admits it happens. All that having been said, I would not pay Arekhon ransom. I'm sure he'd honor it if I did pay, but I'd suffer a physiological reaction if I did so. Paying ransom goes against my grain and I'm sure not going to do it just to save a ship or implants. I can always get more. Regards, Windjammer well....i guess i'm pwned, cheers. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Barakkus the majority of the cases i've run into they ask more than what it's worth...i go by the rule that there is no such thing as 1v1 unless yer on test...i ALWAYS expect backup to show up...no matter what i don't fly it unless i have a backup set of mods...learned that there is ALWAYS the potential of losing yer ship, and i'd rather not spend the time to get the stuff again until i want to... Well, firstly, you haven't had the honor of being ransomed by ANTI, and secondly, the one with the warp disruptor is the one that sets the number, so if they went too high, sucks, but end of the day they're the ones to name the ransom. Secondly, I feel the same about 1v1's, I don't trust many to honor it, but I do make sure pilots honor thiers, I feel it's the least I can do ------------------------------------------ I see all the Young Believers, your target audience... And I see all the Old Deceivers...We all just sing their song!
Corstaad Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:46:00 - [46] Jumpclones are fine and dandy but if your playing the pvp game everyday its not practical to be in lesser implants. Also its going to happen someday where you'll lag or they got a instant lock scrambler to catch your pod. You'll hope they offer a ransom and just don't pod you.
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.12 04:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. lol I sense bitterness. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
Captain Lock Amarr State War Academy Glory	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:29:00 - [48] It's funny, back in my noob month I was flying a hurricane in low sec a bunch . Yup, well anyways I woulda been happy to pay ransom but they never offered, so they got a whole bunch of t1 crap. Oh well. What makes no sense though, is my first can flip ^^. Got the Retreiver into hull and told him to pay up 1 mil, he cussed me out so I popped him. Well, I managed to snag one of his Strip Is and proceeded to undercut the system.. And to my surprise the guy I just flipped decided to buy the strip that I was selling. So I made three mil off the guy that refused to pay one
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.12 18:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. Tell me what kind of people play a computer game where they sit in an imaginary asteroid belt and shoot lasers at rocks... or where you you repeatedly activate modules on a variety of red crosses. I doubt someone who suceeds in rl is going to be partaking in any of those activities. Now get back in your basement!
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:38:00 - [50] Originally by: Arekhon [:oops: well....i guess i'm pwned, cheers. No sweat. You got me last week, I think. It was my turn.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.01.12 20:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Mik kyo Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Pirates in eve = nerd geek types in rl , and 99.9% still live with parents in basement. Tell me what kind of people play a computer game where they sit in an imaginary asteroid belt and shoot lasers at rocks... or where you you repeatedly activate modules on a variety of red crosses. I doubt someone who suceeds in rl is going to be partaking in any of those activities. Now get back in your basement! Soooo.........anybody who plays EVE lives in their mom's basement? I predict this will not be a popular sentiment.
Thiefy McBackstab	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:08:00 - [52] Oh noes a troll! Quick grab the torches so it doesn't regenerate!
Redglare's Demise Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Kehmor As a pirate hunter I can comfortably say most pirates will honour ransoms. There is a risk of course like in any transaction done under trust. If they do not honour it name and shame on the forums. Contact their ceo and inform them in a polite fashion (some pirate corps will even reimburse you). Apart from that, suck it up and take the pixel loss. On the whole you are better off paying ransoms I'd say provided they are reasonable. Also if you are polite in comms with the pirates it can help. Don't smack talk, as this will just irritate them. Negotiate the price if you like, but don't take the ****, and once you've agreed an amount pay it in full to an agreed upon member of the pirate gang. Not that I condone piracy You are pretty much spot on, except for one thing - the word "negotiate." If I offer a target a ransom, it is likely he will save much time and money by accepting it. Paying the ransom is likely to benefit him a great deal, instead of getting popped and podded. After bestowing the target with the grace of a ransom offer, it is unlikely I will accept any attempts to negotiate...
cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:20:00 - [54] Originally by: M00dy Edited by: M00dy on 11/01/2008 18:12:23 Most pirates will honor ransoms. I do. If they don't, name and shame on the forums and they will lose reputation and possibly be wardeced by others. Muffin Factory has honored ransoms for 3.5yrs and hate the ones who dont. Join Muffin Factory
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:23:00 - [55] Pay ransoms never accept a challenge to a D-d-d-d-d-d-d Duel For those of you that say I'll never fund a terrorist. I hope that good feeling of yours insta jumps you into jita and have fun shopping
Centinel 6 Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:29:00 - [56] E, To answer your question, you dont know for sure he will let you go, but most repitable Pirate corps make it maniditory to honor them. C6 Quote: Making 6 Inches feel like 12 one hauler at a time
Yonneh Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Centinel 6 E, To answer your question, you dont know for sure he will let you go, but most repitable Pirate corps make it maniditory to honor them. C6 Correct, all decent pirate corps will honor them. Always keep to our word
G3ghj	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:35:00 - [58] Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN Muffin Factory has honored ransoms for 3.5yrs and hate the ones who dont. Aren¦t you in a ally with rack?
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:18:00 - [59] Barakkus Ok we get it you don't pay!!! Most of the time pirates wont ask for ransom - if they do pay - I have been ransomed and I have given ransoms and Never seen one broken. However, it does happen and Veto are not the only corp that will let you go, most new corps would as well... Anyway everyone knows anti-pirates are the biggest scumbag liars

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