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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 13:56:00 - [211] Originally by: Gaius Kador It might have to do with the fact that you doctored the local chatlog, putting quotes together out of context, and posted it on a public killboard? That is a false accusation. The chatlog was in no way "doctored". It was a 100% accurate selection of quotes made by Solusar in that local chat. Given that the comment box is 200 characters long and the complete chatlog is in excess of 10,000. I think you'll admit that it is impossible to put a "complete" chatlog into that space and given that admission it is impossible to accuse "edits" when the precise sentences were preserved. This is an example of CVA and friends making a false charge and being caught out on the issue Gaius Kador. I'm glad we've had the opportunity to put you right on this. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 14:51:00 - [212] Edited by: Morden Nok on 16/01/2008 14:52:44 Originally by: Gaius Kador It might have to do with the fact that you doctored the local chatlog, putting quotes together out of context, and posted it on a public killboard? Originally by: Jade Constantine That is Originally by: Jade Constantine 100% accurate This is also completely undoctored and 100% accurate selection of quotes from your previous post. At least according to your criteria. Those quotes are also taken completely out of context, like you did with Solusars. The reason why you left out the timestamps is the same reason you deleted Solusar's posts filling in the blanks: You just want to have arena where you can do whatever you want and no-one can refute you. You also lied about Solusar's comments on your KB being "anonymous" and there is no way you can't squirm out of that one. Speaking of lying, SF do seem to love doing it. For example Jasmine Constantines war diary post in IGS Jasmine lied the CVA tower was put up before your attack when it was in fact done after it. The original thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=631684 Hardin's reply which point out the lies: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=631841 Now the other readers just have to think, which one is more likely to tell truth, Hardin that makes business about people being able to trust him or Jade and SF who love forum warfare and "spyops". edit: made a mistake with quotes, Gaius was not showing properly
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 14:55:00 - [213] Originally by: Faridah I just want to add for accuracy: There was 1 large tower destroyed by some UK/SF forces in kbp just after a DT because of failure to put stront, guns or hardeners on it before it got attacked and held below 50% shields. Yes Faridah, I'm sure that in the eyes of CVA/Sev "that tower" doesn't count because it wasn't destroyed at a reinforcement battle with the CVA Providence forces in full attendance. Just like any Sev3rance ships destroyed round the clock "don't count" because the CVA are not in attendance to see them. I don't mean to knock you. But in a post above one of your alliance members absolutely asserted that UK/SF had never destroyed a tower in the campaign as a matter of great pride to you. But now we have the truth that a tower belonging to Sev3rance was actually destroyed by enemy action and you must admit this does place a bit of a murk of uncertainty over any statements made by Sev3rance representatives in this thread. The circumstances are irrelevant - the fact your alliance members have been less than truthful is not. You do need to be very careful about the things you claim on a public forum. [IMAGE REMOVED] "I might not have meant anything by it"
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:02:00 - [214] Is this the thread where Jade Constantine is holding people to their word on an internet spaceships forum? [IMAGE REMOVED] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:14:00 - [215] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/01/2008 15:16:55 Originally by: Morden Nok The reason why you left out the timestamps is the same reason you deleted Solusar's posts filling in the blanks: You just want to have arena where you can do whatever you want and no-one can refute you. You also lied about Solusar's comments on your KB being "anonymous" and there is no way you can't squirm out of that one. Incorrect. Timestamps were removed because they take up too many of the 200 letter limit in the comment box to allow for any substantive information. I never claimed Solusar's comments on the KB were "anonymous". I said I would be deleting all anonymous comments from the CVA. And since I had deleted half a dozen or so angry pro-Solusar comments from "CVA sounding" anonymous posters with names like "EVERYONE, SFLIES & ..." already that morning the pattern was established. Solusar and Garreck's comments were deleted because the KB comment section is not a discussion forum. They were invited to discuss the issue on our forum and they did not wish too. Nobody is "squirming" here expect yourself in this rather embarrassing attempt to achieve a cover-up of Solusar's impolitic diplomatic and gloating statements in Dital local. Quote: Speaking of lying, SF do seem to love doing it. For example Jasmine Constantines war diary post in IGS Jasmine lied the CVA tower was put up before your attack when it was in fact done after it. Hardin's reply which point out the lies: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=631841 Hardin's post is a mess of contradictions, spin and complete fabrication. Its hardly the shining example of truth you seem to believe it is. I'd actually invite anyone interested in seeing the truth behind the "mask" of CVA "civility" to go and have a good look at that thread actually. Quote: Now the other readers just have to think, which one is more likely to tell truth, Hardin that makes business about people being able to trust him or Jade and SF who love forum warfare and "spyops". The mere fact that you are pretending that CVA doesn't love forum warfare and spyops speaks volumes about who should, and should not be trusted here. Hardin is the front man for an aggressive, enclosurist 0.0 alliance that will do whatever it thinks appropriate to "defend" its interests and defeat its enemies. Anybody that instinctively trusts him to speak the truth on matters involving the CVA is politically naive at best. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:24:00 - [216] F*** that was much, you must think you are intressting.
Amon Nagira Duty.	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:31:00 - [217] Originally by: Tarantelita F*** that was much, you must think you are intressting. Oh, she really does. You have no idea
Wiaf Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:33:00 - [218] Edited by: Wiaf on 16/01/2008 15:33:16 Originally by: Conlin To be honest snake , posting ingame chatlogs (which can be doctored) makes you look extremely childish , or deperate I lol'd you just insulted Jade. yarr http://sev3rance.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=614 <- posting chatlogs lol
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:37:00 - [219] Originally by: Wiaf Edited by: Wiaf on 16/01/2008 15:33:16 Originally by: Conlin To be honest snake , posting ingame chatlogs (which can be doctored) makes you look extremely childish , or deperate I lol'd you just insulted Jade. yarr http://sev3rance.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=614 <- posting chatlogs lol Is that the chatlog where a Sev3rance member is claiming in local to have 100% proof that I "hired" Triumvirate to invade Providence by giving them some spare characters Wiaf? You Sev3rance guys are really not very good at this public relations game are you? "I might not have meant anything by it"
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:46:00 - [220] Can you prove you didn't? Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:48:00 - [221] Originally by: Jade Constantine The mere fact that you are pretending that CVA doesn't love forum warfare and spyops speaks volumes about who should, and should not be trusted here. Hardin is the front man for an aggressive, enclosurist 0.0 alliance that will do whatever it thinks appropriate to "defend" its interests and defeat its enemies. Anybody that instinctively trusts him to speak the truth on matters involving the CVA is politically naive at best. Nice one on an OOC forum. So you did quote Solusar out of context, glad we got that one sorted. Maybe that was the reason he got upset too? ----------------------------------------------
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 15:54:00 - [222] Originally by: Gaius Kador Nice one on an OOC forum. So you did quote Solusar out of context, glad we got that one sorted. Maybe that was the reason he got upset too? Absolutely not. The Solusar quote was 100% accurate and in context. The original chatlog shows his comments were entirely as represented. The reason he got upset is that he managed to forget the Hardin directive about not "smacking" TRI too much (since CVA are VERY happy they pulled out) and allowed his tongue to run off with his sense. I understand this is frustrating for you pro-CVA people, but it is becoming very evident that you are trying every dirty trick in the book at this point and nothing you do has any effect but to make you look more desperate. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:03:00 - [223] Originally by: Jade Constantine Absolutely not. The Solusar quote was 100% accurate and in context. No, it's not, but that was covered nicely in Hardin's cute little storyboard.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:13:00 - [224] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/01/2008 16:15:53 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Jade Constantine Absolutely not. The Solusar quote was 100% accurate and in context. No, it's not, but that was covered nicely in Hardin's cute little storyboard. Nice of you to confirm it was Hardin Garreck. Let me explain how Hardin's Storyboard itself twists the truth and plays propaganda games shall I? 1. There were no "inaccuracies" represented on the SF killboard comments section. Solusar's comments as presented were 100% accurate and copied directly from the local chat. 2. Hardin neglects to screen-shot or address the issue of anonymous pro-CVA spam posting removed from that board in the morning. 3. He does however screenshot and cut and paste sections of the killboard comments in a disassembled and deeply manipulated fashion. (it is rather ironic for CVA people to complain about quotes from a killboard cut from a local chat in a clipped, copied and doctored graphic "storyboard" that is missing the anonymous comments that my comment there is referring too) 4. It does show solusar agreeing with the context and order of the comments he made. 5. Hardin is claiming that the commentary I made on that board referred purely to yours and Solusar's posts but it did not. (but since Hardin "forgot" to screen shot the anonymous comments it makes no sense in the context he presents) 6. It concludes with Hardin complaining that CVA is denied "free expression" of commentary on a killboard owned and operated by the SF. (Its completely true. CVA has no right to "free expression" on our Killboard comments section. It is not a debating forum. If you want to debate you are free to use our forum for the purpose. Our killboard is for our purposes not yours. So in conclusion Garreck. Yes you have tried to misrepresent and hide the truth that Solusar was caught out in impolitic statements in local chat and Hardin has involved himself in cut and pasting selective screendumps from somebody else's killboard comments section to build a "storyboard" that twists and manipulates the truth to attack a political enemy. And all this in an AAR thread that everyone else in the Community (except CVA/Sev and some goons) appeared to enjoy and value as a contribution to debate and theorycraft on CAOD. I can't say this is a great triumph for the CVA's reputation. But by all means continue. I imagine the general CAOD public is finding this all very informative indeed. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:22:00 - [225] Edited by: Garreck on 16/01/2008 16:27:37 Originally by: Jade Constantine 1. There were no "inaccuracies" represented on the SF killboard comments section. Solusar's comments as presented were 100% accurate and copied directly from the local chat. Solusar's quotes were incomplete, therefore inaccurate. Furthermore, Solusar's comments were direct responses to your comments, which are not included in the log, therefore they are also out of context. The rest of your commentary hinges on some anonymous post. I think I remember it: something like "lol." Your story would hold if you had deleted that post when you made your comment about anonymous posting. Instead, you deleted clearly marked posts as well and took a cheap shot. And now we're talking about it in a public forum like anyone cares. Good show. As for the TRI comment Sol made that is apparently so shocking and so anti-CVA policy...he said TRI failed in Providence. I think this is hardly a revelation. Or smack. edit This wants addressed as well: Originally by: Jade Constantine Nice of you to confirm it was Hardin Garreck. You're welcome, to be honest. I've never felt I nor the CVA have ever had anything to hide from the Eve public. If the origins of that storyboard weren't covered to this point, I figure they should be. It is, after all, an accurate storyboard: Sol was posted out of context, Sol tried to explain the context, Sol was edited out and a vague comment about anonymous posting was made.
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Independent Faction	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:22:00 - [226] Jade, your posts should be printed and framed. So much can be learned from them. You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:32:00 - [227] Garreck, I am aware SF has a forum where one can register and express their opinions. Do tell Solusar about it, Killboard comments are a poor place to hold debates and the like. Not a very good medium and a mite tasteless. Unless something has changed, they do let less-than-friendlies register. I did it once and smacked them for near 10 pages, do have him give it a go if he feels he needs to take his grievances into a less public place than COAD. Just a suggestion. Cheers, Ituralde _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:39:00 - [228] Edited by: Virgil Aquilis on 16/01/2008 16:39:42 Originally by: Nek Tuomatta Jade, your posts should be printed and framed. So much can be learned from them. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:41:00 - [229] Originally by: Garreck Solusar's quotes were incomplete, therefore inaccurate. Spurious logic. By that argument you are saying that ANY quote that doesn't represent the entire text is "inaccurate". Must we reproduce the entirety of our previous dialog when addressing any single conversational point. I think not. Hence your point is flawed. As I have said before the comment's box allows 200 characters. It is impossible to put an entire chat log there so by your argument it would never be valid to place any particular line of quote there. On your killboard you may make that rule Garreck. On ours we think otherwise. But it is absolutely incorrect for you to claim some objective rights and wrongs here. It is simply a matter of opinion and in this case our opinion is ascendant on resources we own and operate. If you don't like it don't read it. Simple as that. Quote: Furthermore, Solusar's comments were direct responses to your comments, which are not included in the log, therefore they are also out of context. Again entirely irrelevant. You were invited to post the entire log on our public forums if you cared enough about the context. We are very happy to debate the chatlog there. I'm particularly keen to talk about the CVA's "anti-spying" ROE in the context of Solusar's claims to have spy intelligence on the state of Ushra'khan's financial situation for example. Quote: The rest of your commentary hinges on some anonymous post. I think I remember it: something like "lol." Your story would hold if you had deleted that post when you made your comment about anonymous posting. Instead, you deleted clearly marked posts as well and took a cheap shot. Your clearly marked posts were deleted for trying to have a debate on a killboard comments section. You were invited to have this debate on a forum provided for the purpose. You chose instead to call in Hardin to take selective screenshots and fake up a storyboard that specifically cuts out the anonymous posts I was referring too in that comment. You have been caught out in a deeply murky attempt at manipulation here Garreck. All the backtracking in the world and suddenly "remembering" the anonymous posts I was referring too at this stage will not dig you out of this hole of your own devising. Quote: You're welcome, to be honest. I've never felt I nor the CVA have ever had anything to hide from the Eve public. If the origins of that storyboard weren't covered to this point, I figure they should be. It is, after all, an accurate storyboard: Sol was posted out of context, Sol tried to explain the context, Sol was edited out and a vague comment about anonymous posting was made. As your own admission that there were actually anonymous comments that Hardin has elected to edit out of his storyboard exists in plain text above - its impossible for you to claim its "accurate" with any degree of credibility. At this stage you have revealed that Hardin's storyboard is an attempt to twist and spin the truth by selective screendumps and falsehoods. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:48:00 - [230] Originally by: Ituralde I am aware SF has a forum where one can register and express their opinions. I'm sure if the misrepresentation had been made in a forum, it would've been addressed in a forum. Your idea has merrit, though I don't think polite discussion or, honestly, respect was much the point. The idea was to address a misrepresentation at the point of attack.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:53:00 - [231] Originally by: Jade Constantine You have been caught out in a deeply murky attempt at manipulation here Garreck. Why? Because I'm maintaining Sol was quoted out of context or because I endorse Hardin's storyboard? Deeply murky and manipulative indeed. I'm such a bad boy...
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:53:00 - [232] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Faridah I just want to add for accuracy: There was 1 large tower destroyed by some UK/SF forces in kbp just after a DT because of failure to put stront, guns or hardeners on it before it got attacked and held below 50% shields. Yes Faridah, I'm sure that in the eyes of CVA/Sev "that tower" doesn't count because it wasn't destroyed at a reinforcement battle with the CVA Providence forces in full attendance. Just like any Sev3rance ships destroyed round the clock "don't count" because the CVA are not in attendance to see them. I don't mean to knock you. But in a post above one of your alliance members absolutely asserted that UK/SF had never destroyed a tower in the campaign as a matter of great pride to you. But now we have the truth that a tower belonging to Sev3rance was actually destroyed by enemy action and you must admit this does place a bit of a murk of uncertainty over any statements made by Sev3rance representatives in this thread. The circumstances are irrelevant - the fact your alliance members have been less than truthful is not. You do need to be very careful about the things you claim on a public forum. You failed to put in stront. Quite funny. On top of that tower, there was one large tower in the pocket. I believe it was in TU. The jump bridge anchored there was also destroyed. And you can thank Gelo Breen for loosing you a True Sansha Medium Control Tower as well in KBP. That one was quite enjoyable. Poor Gelo. If you think guerrilla warfare can't accomplish tower kills. You in misinformed. Constant suppression led to many of them. Your pilots wilted under pressure and made mistakes. That's 2 larges and a medium. I don't recall about any others offhand. There might have been a small or two, I don't recall actually bringing any down, but shooting those were for fun.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:53:00 - [233] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/01/2008 16:55:33 Originally by: Garreck I'm sure if the misrepresentation had been made in a forum, it would've been addressed in a forum. Your idea has merrit, though I don't think polite discussion or, honestly, respect was much the point. The idea was to address a misrepresentation at the point of attack. Your first problem was the absolute lack of any kind of misrepresentation. Just because Solusar was upset to be caught out in his comments doesn't mean that he's been misrepresented. Your second problem is SF KB = our resource. We decide how it is used. If we tell you that you must have any resulting debate on the forum then you must have the debate on the forum. If you disagree and try to have the debate on the KB we will simply delete you. You have no right of appeal or contest on the way comments are handled on our KB software. That is something you are just going to have to suck up and get used to. By all means keep viewing our public killboard (which is one of the few such resources available in Providence) but never believe you have equal standing to Star Fraction personnel there. You simply don't. The only obligation we make is to accurate post kills and losses. Everything else is entirely at our discretion and access for external viewers is a privilege not a right. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 16:59:00 - [234] Originally by: Garreck Why? Because I'm maintaining Sol was quoted out of context or because I endorse Hardin's storyboard? You have already admitted that Hardin's storyboard neglected to show the anonymous comments I was referring too. You cannot endorse Hardin's storyboard without admitting that you are in favor of selective quoting to make an argument. Given that you're trying to claim that selective quoting "misrepresented" Solusar I think we can all see how silly this makes your position in this debate. Hardin took the wise course several pages ago by withdrawing from this discussion. You'd be wise to do the same now your argument is comprehensively defanged and threadbare. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.16 17:00:00 - [235] Edited by: Conlin on 16/01/2008 17:02:46 Originally by: Wiaf Edited by: Wiaf on 16/01/2008 15:33:16 Originally by: Conlin To be honest snake , posting ingame chatlogs (which can be doctored) makes you look extremely childish , or deperate I lol'd you just insulted Jade. yarr http://sev3rance.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=614 <- posting chatlogs lol And I notice Morden completely ignores one area of his misguided argument . tsk tsk . Lights are on , but nobody in wiaf ? .
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 17:04:00 - [236] Originally by: Jade Constantine Your first problem was the absolute lack of any kind of misrepresentation. We could argue this until a mod locked the thread and not agree. I've explained why it was a misrepresentation. If incomplete quotes, lack of timestamps, and lack of all your own talking in between (which prompted the words to begin with) is an absolute lack of any kind of misrepresentation in your book, then coolbeans. Originally by: Jade Constantine Your second problem is SF KB = our resource. We decide how it is used. Frankly, that's not anybody's problem. It was just funny to see Star Fraction, of all organizations, resort to censorship on their killboard. Heck, CVA keeps their killboard private just to avoid such debacles...a practice which, interestingly enough, has been harshly ridiculed by Star Fraction in the past.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.01.16 17:10:00 - [237] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/01/2008 17:12:41 Originally by: Garreck Frankly, that's not anybody's problem. It was just funny to see Star Fraction, of all organizations, resort to censorship on their killboard. Heck, CVA keeps their killboard private just to avoid such debacles...a practice which, interestingly enough, has been harshly ridiculed by Star Fraction in the past. We make it very clear that we do not entertain debate on our KB comments section. That is not what its there for, its not what its ever been there for. We have the strength of will to maintain our Killboard in public and we will continue to delete posts that attempt to misuse this resource. If there ever was a sustained "commentnaught" from the CVA we'd end up passwording the comments section and letting our friends and allies continue to post while removing the right for public commentary. This would be bad for genuinely honest enemies that correctly wish to post respectful notes on particular engagements but if its needed it will be done. And re the CVA's private killboard you are incorrect. We have not harshly ridiculed your hidden killboard Garreck. We have however staunchly defended the accuracy of our own against the Amarrian bloc tendency to try to play games with statistics and efficiency figures. End of the day we publish a full and accurate public record of our kills and losses. You do not. That fact is beyond challenge. If you feel sore that our killboard is the unchallenged source of data for engagements in Providence then maybe you should consider bringing your own into the public domain. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.16 17:28:00 - [238] Originally by: Jade Constantine End of the day we publish a full and accurate public record of our kills and losses. You do not. That fact is beyond challenge. I...I don't think anyone's challenging that, Jade. In fact, that's essentially what I just said.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.16 17:32:00 - [239] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Jade Constantine End of the day we publish a full and accurate public record of our kills and losses. You do not. That fact is beyond challenge. I...I don't think anyone's challenging that, Jade. In fact, that's essentially what I just said. hahahaha ahahahaha oh man you broke Jade Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Hardin Amarr Glencore Pest Control Union	Posted - 2008.01.16 17:33:00 - [240] Originally by: Jade Constantine At this stage you have revealed that Hardin's storyboard is an attempt to twist and spin the truth by selective screendumps and falsehoods. I am sad this thread has degenerated to this. Your battle report was blatant spin but it was well written and we have far to little of that on CAOD. It's just a pity a few people on both sides simply cant control themselves! Regarding your quote above - No it wasn't. It was something created to demonstrate exactly how two-faced you can be Jade. You took Solusar's quotes, decided to post them completely out of context on your public killboard in the process deliberately manipulating them to make it look like Sol was having a dig at Tri. Then you deleted his response, in the process making a dig at 'annonymous CVA posters' - although that in itself is a contradiction in terms. I have no regrets about making the storyboard as it pretty conclusively demonstrates how someone who made such a fuss about being gagged on these forums has absolutely no compunction about doing some gagging of their own. Of course it is your killboard to do with as you wish so if you want to play around with it to make yourself look good and denigrate your enemies that is fine by me. It is part of the political game after all and therefore not something to complain about. What I think this clearly demonstrates (to those who do not actually know how you operate already) is that you are willing to stoop to any level and do anything simply to push your own agenda. Of course it is up to you how you play the game and there is nothing inherently wrong with that but just don't expect not to get called on it. For the record I do not set policy in the CVA. As I have told you before I am merely the monkey not the grinder. Nor was there a 'Hardin Directive' not to smack Tri. The CVA generally has a policy of not smacking anyone on any public forum and public posting beyond a few specific individuals is generally discouraged. This applies to everyone in the CVA although of course there is no way we can control everything our members post and sometimes it happens. Indeed when it has happened I are other CVA usually address the matter either publicly or privately with the individuals involved. Finally, I would simply suggest you stop with the desparate justifications as they really aren't helping. You have been caught playing the game and trying to deny what is blatantly obvious manipulation only serves to make you look like more of a control freak than you already do.... ------------------------------

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