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Crax McGee Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 15:24:00 - [1] Hi, I like most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income. im 1 of those stuck up vets where the thought of actually working for money makes me sick. t2 prices have dropped so loot sales are on an all time low, so bad infact that sometimes i dont bother collecting cause its more of a hastle than it is worth the isk. the days are gone of being able to make serious isk through pvpin, the thrill of going out 2 0.0 and being scared of traveling back cause ur cargo was full of fat loot. T2 fitted sniper bs was like hitting the jackpot. i miss those days, its hard now 2 break even. all i ask for is a little lovin :(
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.13 15:52:00 - [2] Fit a salvager. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.13 15:56:00 - [3] Use a Marauder perhaps? I am told they are good for gate ganking and looting. But since you are in a financial crisis splashing out for a Marauder dosen't work out for you..... maybe you should start doing more randsoming? ~Nyron Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:00:00 - [4] I am affraid that is pure economics. CCP is not going to boost the value of items as that would upset the balance. THe answer is really simple but almost impossible to do. You wanted to raise the price of T2 items. Take out the suppliers. In other words destroy all the moon mining POS or jsut prevent the owners from bringing there harvest to market. Good Luck.
Dommie Jax Caldari Bittercup LTD	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:17:00 - [5] Would you like some cheese with youor whine? Originally by: Lamiah You do realize that 1am in the morning for you is 11am for someone else in the world, right?
Guilliman R Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:24:00 - [6] well, why do you pvp for the loot/money? whats the difference in oh I don't know, ratting? Ganking people who have no chance to fight back and killing npc's is the same freaking deal. --- im 1 of those stuck up vets where the thought of actually working for money makes me sick. --- sigh, more bums. ---sig---
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:28:00 - [7] You don't PVP primarily for fun? EVE RELATED CONTENT
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/01/2008 16:29:42 Originally by: Guilliman R well, why do you pvp for the loot/money? whats the difference in oh I don't know, ratting? Ganking people who have no chance to fight back and killing npc's is the same freaking deal. Try it and see how wrong you are. Anyway, to the OP: cut your losses, that's all there is to it. Using (and thereby risking) much more then you need for a given job is asking to lose more then you can gain ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Crax McGee Hi, I like most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income. im 1 of those stuck up vets where the thought of actually working for money makes me sick. t2 prices have dropped so loot sales are on an all time low, so bad infact that sometimes i dont bother collecting cause its more of a hastle than it is worth the isk. the days are gone of being able to make serious isk through pvpin, the thrill of going out 2 0.0 and being scared of traveling back cause ur cargo was full of fat loot. T2 fitted sniper bs was like hitting the jackpot. i miss those days, its hard now 2 break even. all i ask for is a little lovin :( Your income is down, but so are your costs. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:55:00 - [10] Sell GTCs. If you're that adverse to doing any actual work, and all you want to do is blow people up, that's your only real option.
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Guilliman R well, why do you pvp for the loot/money? whats the difference in oh I don't know, ratting? Ganking people who have no chance to fight back and killing npc's is the same freaking deal. --- im 1 of those stuck up vets where the thought of actually working for money makes me sick. --- sigh, more bums. Seriously, give it a try and see if it's as easy as you think. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Orgos Khenn Sell GTCs. If you're that adverse to doing any actual work, and all you want to do is blow people up, that's your only real option. why should a video game ever be like work?
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Orgos Khenn Sell GTCs. If you're that adverse to doing any actual work, and all you want to do is blow people up, that's your only real option. why should a video game ever be like work? Perhaps I should clarify...maybe that should read: "If you're that adverse to actually earning the rewards in-game like everyone else does, unless they're a stinky ISK-buyer".
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:48:00 - [14] Ransom. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Atreides Horza No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Atreides Horza on 13/01/2008 18:54:58 Originally by: Dommie Jax Would you like some cheese with youor whine? Would you like a dictionary with your sht-post? As for the topic at hand, EVE has (d)evolved into a game where supplementary income is needed, unless you like to sit with blobs at gates on any given occasion. Be it exploration or 0.0 ratting, you'll need to earn that bling to keep yourself flying in style, or choose your fights careful enough to not lose ships on a daily basis. Here's a few suggestions for ways to earn a little extra on the side, without reducing yourself to grinding missions in safespace: Exploration Skill intensive - and it takes a bit of research to get started, but profits are good (even now after the nerfs cutting profit margins down by 2/3rds, you can still make in excess of 1b a month with 1-2 days of work). Also, it provides a fresh change and is a bit more challenging than killing endless rats in belts. 0.0 Salvaging Train salvaging to lvl 4, grab the smallest friggie you can get, slap an mwd and some stabs on that btch, as well as a full rack of salvagers, and zoom through the vastness of 0.0 looking for t2 wrecks on the gates. A command ship wreck will give you up to 20m in t2 rig components, and there's an abundance of wrecks lying about - often in remote parts of 0.0. On a good day, doing nothing but this at virtually no cost, you can make a ******** amount of ISK... and then there's ever so often wrecks that haven't been looted either. Contracts A moron and his ISK will soon part - and the contracts system is proof of that. Browse through contracts in remote regions, where clueless people sell fully rigged arazus at around 50m. Buy and resell = profit. Again, 0.0 offers many business opportunities in this particular field. There's loads more that you can do. Use your imagination.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Atreides Horza There's loads more that you can do. Use your imagination. OP said he didn't want to "work" for his money, that probably involves doing any of the above...which is a shame cos everything you just said makes perfect sense.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Orgos Khenn Originally by: Atreides Horza There's loads more that you can do. Use your imagination. OP said he didn't want to "work" for his money, that probably involves doing any of the above...which is a shame cos everything you just said makes perfect sense. Counterstrike refugee "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Jernau Riggs	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:21:00 - [18] ore is worth like a quater of what is was 4 or 5 months ago, looks like everyone is struggeling
Oku Kee'lus	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:22:00 - [19] http://killboard.xenobytes.se/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=54901 Yeah, there's no money in PvP these days g
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:56:00 - [20] make rigs drop \o/ try to ransom more and blow people up less guide to game time codes
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Oku Kee'lus http://killboard.xenobytes.se/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=54901 Yeah, there's no money in PvP these days g If the guy had logged you wouldnt have got him SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:21:00 - [22] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/01/2008 20:22:30 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Crax McGee Hi, I like most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income. im 1 of those stuck up vets where the thought of actually working for money makes me sick. t2 prices have dropped so loot sales are on an all time low, so bad infact that sometimes i dont bother collecting cause its more of a hastle than it is worth the isk. the days are gone of being able to make serious isk through pvpin, the thrill of going out 2 0.0 and being scared of traveling back cause ur cargo was full of fat loot. T2 fitted sniper bs was like hitting the jackpot. i miss those days, its hard now 2 break even. all i ask for is a little lovin :( Your income is down, but so are your costs. Well not really. Assuming a good gatecamping pirate kills 40 BS to each of his losses (for the sake of argument). 1) The old days - Each BS costs 10 mill in mods to fit (again for the sake of argument). After one cycle of kills/loss the pirate is 390 million isk up 2) The new days - Each BS costs 1 mill in mods. After one cycle the pirate is 39 mill up. The only way the drop in t2 mods would help the pirate, is If he was actually losing more ships then he killed. The relativly stable ship prices in comparison, means that when the pirate dies, his booty is stretched to cover the cost of his ship insurance, (baring the occasionl huge loot drop ofc ) This is all very vauge I know, but i hope you get the idea. SKUNK
Tek'a Rain Gallente Collegium Mechanicae	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Crax McGee Hi, I refuse to adapt to a changing game and demand things be changed to suit me. I wont bother taking any of the many simple steps out there to protect/enhance my cashflow but Will whine about it. Students, pay close attention. If you check your textbooks you will see here the definition of a "Carebear". Lets all give a nice round of applause to Mr McGee as thanks for providing this example. Seriously. change what your doing. Adapt to the game. Try (gasp) Ransoming or something instead of living the standard "dont speak english-F1, F2, F3.." joke. kinda doubting the "most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income" idea too.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2008.01.13 20:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Tek'a Rain kinda doubting the "most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income" idea too. I can understand how you can doubt it, but there are PvPers who only use loot as 100% of their income. PvP can mean many things though: a) spaceship pewpew (selling loot, grief+offer protection) b) selling out-of-game services (killboards, signatures) c) tricking someone (to take their stuff) It's very easy to make a living PvPing, just not for those without the skills, and by skills I mean piloting ability.
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Tek'a Rain Originally by: Crax McGee Hi, I refuse to adapt to a changing game and demand things be changed to suit me. I wont bother taking any of the many simple steps out there to protect/enhance my cashflow but Will whine about it. Students, pay close attention. If you check your textbooks you will see here the definition of a "Carebear". Lets all give a nice round of applause to Mr McGee as thanks for providing this example. Seriously. change what your doing. Adapt to the game. Try (gasp) Ransoming or something instead of living the standard "dont speak english-F1, F2, F3.." joke. kinda doubting the "most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income" idea too. QFT
Tek'a Rain Gallente Collegium Mechanicae	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:08:00 - [26] well, certainly. if you paint "pvp" with a brush broadly enough, it is every single in game and out of game action. as the OP seemed to be talking only about Quote: "spend every second killing or trying to kill other player operated ships and financing this action using only the loot obtained from same" I responded as such and still doubt the "loot as 100% of there income" idea.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Tek'a Rain Originally by: Crax McGee Hi, I refuse to adapt to a changing game and demand things be changed to suit me. I wont bother taking any of the many simple steps out there to protect/enhance my cashflow but Will whine about it. Seriously. change what your doing. Adapt to the game. This. /thread
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Awox on 13/01/2008 21:11:58 Originally by: Tek'a Rain well, certainly. if you paint "pvp" with a brush broadly enough, it is every single in game and out of game action. as the OP seemed to be talking only about Quote: "spend every second killing or trying to kill other player operated ships and financing this action using only the loot obtained from same" I responded as such and still doubt the "loot as 100% of there income" idea. Edit: Censored word in paragraph below is: s-c-r-a-p-e. Nice filters CCP. I've lived just on loot drops, it's a real sc*****now that T2 prices have been lowered and operating costs have not gone down considerably, in fact, they've gone up (faction ammo, rigs).. So recently, to supplement I sell some services like scouting, hauling, stuff like that. I consider that PvP as you are taking jobs and money from other players and someone will try to kill you while you do it.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Atreides Horza Originally by: Dommie Jax Would you like some cheese with youor whine? Would you like a dictionary with your sht-post? As for the topic at hand, EVE has (d)evolved into a game where supplementary income is needed, unless you like to sit with blobs at gates on any given occasion. Be it exploration or 0.0 ratting, you'll need to earn that bling to keep yourself flying in style, or choose your fights careful enough to not lose ships on a daily basis. Here's a few suggestions for ways to earn a little extra on the side, without reducing yourself to grinding missions in safespace: Exploration Skill intensive - and it takes a bit of research to get started, but profits are good (even now after the nerfs cutting profit margins down by 2/3rds, you can still make in excess of 1b a month with 1-2 days of work). Also, it provides a fresh change and is a bit more challenging than killing endless rats in belts. 0.0 Salvaging Train salvaging to lvl 4, grab the smallest friggie you can get, slap an mwd and some stabs on that btch, as well as a full rack of salvagers, and zoom through the vastness of 0.0 looking for t2 wrecks on the gates. A command ship wreck will give you up to 20m in t2 rig components, and there's an abundance of wrecks lying about - often in remote parts of 0.0. On a good day, doing nothing but this at virtually no cost, you can make a ******** amount of ISK... and then there's ever so often wrecks that haven't been looted either. Contracts A moron and his ISK will soon part - and the contracts system is proof of that. Browse through contracts in remote regions, where clueless people sell fully rigged arazus at around 50m. Buy and resell = profit. Again, 0.0 offers many business opportunities in this particular field. Yours are good suggestions, but the OP post is a whine. For its nature PvP will not produce "new" isk or items. One of the party involved will always lose something (if there is not actual ship loss there is still a ammo, probes and time consumption). And the process of "moving" wealth from one participant to the other has huge losses in the total worth of items involved. Ransoming can be an exception, but it seem to be generally disliked by pirates. As a general activity PvP didn't pay and will not pay. Some exceptional individual can make a sufficient profit, but it is an exception, not the norm. So lamenting that it pay less than before as T2 is worth less a bit strange. The pirate is risking less the same, so his loss/gain ratio should remain the same.
Ovek Gallente Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 21:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Ovek on 13/01/2008 21:23:26 Originally by: Awox Originally by: Tek'a Rain kinda doubting the "most Serious pvpers use pvp loot as 100% of there income" idea too. I can understand how you can doubt it, but there are PvPers who only use loot as 100% of their income. PvP can mean many things though: a) spaceship pewpew (selling loot, grief+offer protection) b) selling out-of-game services (killboards, signatures) c) tricking someone (to take their stuff) It's very easy to make a living PvPing, just not for those without the skills, and by skills I mean piloting ability. Well in general this is true, how is seling oog brushed underneath the same mat as actual pvp'ing (it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what he meant). Oh and for most pvp'ers that suck as you say, they are never able to finance themselves on loot as they lose too many ships or have to share loot with too many people. Loot prices as always vary and as we can see it is always depending on the so called "flavour of the month" ship or other system changes (best named heavy launchers? best named mwd?). It is adaption (i just pray for t2 suppliers to realise the idea of a cartel and embrace it) but yes it still sucks, but we live eh crax? just a few less potatoes for flumz.

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