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The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:25:00 - [1] After the whole Eve Tv thing happened, although part of me was upset, part of me was also pleased in a strange way that it had taken a break for a while, so let me explain why. I felt that both Eve Tv and the tourny events had become what seemed to be a gathering of people, under the wing of a person that I did not feel represented CCP in way I would wish it to be represented. Yes, by this I mean SpiralJunkie. Eve Tv and the Tourny shows had an excellent opportunity to showcase what I would consider the best MMO out there, and a game I have played since its release. However I feel that the opportunity was somewhat spoiled and almost appeared to beocme an ego stroking routine. Now, I have nothing at all against the idea of Eve Tv or indeed the tourny however I feel that in all honesty, the experts are what makes it, and quite honestly feel that sometimes their abilities are overcast by a poor host. I am going to assume that Spiral was not hired because of his expert status, but because of his ability as a broadcaster of sorts. My view on this is that I would prefer to have another expert on board and loose spiral as many of the experts in my opinion could host the tourny and any reincarnation of Eve Tv to a better standard than Spiral and beleived that when the tourny returned that spiral would have been replaced. That is my viewpoint, and I would be interested to know if anyone else thinks that the host has been chosen with less care than the Experts, some of which would most certainly get my vote as a future host. /Discuss
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:44:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/01/2008 15:44:42 Without SpiralJunkie, there wouldn't have been an Eve TV in the first place. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:56:00 - [3] Spiral knows more than most of the so called "experts". At least that's what I get from the broadcasts and the times I've talked to him. He listens and takes stuff in, and seems to come up with good stuff in the tourney broadcasts. Plus, he's an MM supporter, so he clearly has his wits about him
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 16:30:00 - [4] Sorry, but I gotta jump in completely and contradict you here. I, along with the other "experts" as we're called, have seen how Eve-TV works from the inside, (and by that I don't mean I've been inside SpiralJunkie). In my opinion you couldn't be more wrong. All you see of Spiral is the half hour to hour he's put in a week on camera, or the times he's sat in the chair hosting the Tournament. You really have no idea the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes. Writing, prep work, work on scripts for features in episodes (like the ship profiles). Research, speaking to people, flying places in Eve to get screenshots and information about alliances and developments first hand. That goes for everyone, not just Spiral. The entire crew who produces Eve-TV work their arses off to make the show a reality and personally I think it's unfair to have a go at Spiral. Along with Stevie, he's become the face of Eve-TV. Presentation is what counts, and actual content and how it's relayed, not whether you agree with it. Just because you don't agree with what someone says on screen, it doesn't mean they're a bad host. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.14 17:46:00 - [5] You sir, are an ass. I doubt that you will ever do something for the eve community with as much dedication, talent and conviction as Spiral. Your statements are sprung, probably from jealousy. And this response has taken more time then I will ever spend again replying to such a comment. Without SJ there would have been no evetv. toodles. SG OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:20:00 - [6] I'm not an EVE-TV expert, I have never met spiralJunkie IRL, and I have never had any internet contact either... But I cannot imagine any other person than him hosting EVE-TV, ever. That would be like trying to produce petrol with cow milk. SJ FTW!
Tissa Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:30:00 - [7] Its really rather interesting what a name search will bring up http://eve-search.com/thread/629073/page/1#15 is particularly interesting. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else, no one wants to read your spiteful rubbish. No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Stavros on 14/01/2008 19:13:23 Originally by: Tissa Its really rather interesting what a name search will bring up http://eve-search.com/thread/629073/page/1#15 is particularly interesting. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else, no one wants to read your spiteful rubbish. Hell hath no fury like a woman with eve-search! Oh and ouch to the OP btw ;\ Edited because although he is a good presenter, he is a **** when it comes to spelling errors ¼_¼ -- "DANCE DANCE"
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Tissa Its really rather interesting what a name search will bring up http://eve-search.com/thread/629073/page/1#15 is particularly interesting. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else, no one wants to read your spiteful rubbish. I give this post : / on the Patented Veto Corp omgwtfroflbbqÖ scale. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Setanta NaFianna FinFleet	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:01:00 - [10] I'll admit that at first I didn't really like spiral. Just something about him irked me a bit. Also, I thought jusjack should have stayed, he's so cuddly :P, but as I understand things there was a disagreement of sorts. (HI XYLIANNA ! Regardless, I gave evetv and spiral another chance and I have to say it feels like there is something missing from eve without the show.
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:17:00 - [11] Edited by: The Anointed on 14/01/2008 20:17:56 Originally by: Verone You really have no idea the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes. Writing, prep work, work on scripts for features in episodes (like the ship profiles). Research, speaking to people, flying places in Eve to get screenshots and information about alliances and developments first hand. Your right I dont have any idea as to the backstage working of it, so if I have underestimated his input then I apologise for that. Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan, however the basis for the thread was supposed to be whether or not anyone thought that there was someone else capable, perhaps better suited to hosting it rather than just slagging him off, which is how it turned out. Originally by: StevieSG You Sir, are an ass. Fair one. The question still stands though. And that eve search must have turned up something better than that. Everyone knows I'm Trevs alt already.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:29:00 - [12] Originally by: The Anointed Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan. Then don't watch the show, it really is that simple. I happen to think Terry Wogan is a nob, for this reason I don't listen to any of his radio shows. Common sense dictates that when you don't like something, then you don't hang around it. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Tissa Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:39:00 - [13] Originally by: The Anointed And that eve search must have turned up something better than that. Everyone knows I'm Trevs alt already. k http://eve-search.com/thread/586555/page/2 "Dude, if your going to moan, moan about stuff like hating spiral for no reason at all like I do." and the folowing proved you are not his alt. http://eve-search.com/thread/586614/page/1#1 Curiouser and curiouser.... No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
Calmdown Minmatar BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:44:00 - [14] I don't like making posts like this, but in the case of this Op, I feel that this is appropriate: Posting in a fail thread http://www.save-evetv.com/
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:53:00 - [15] Edited by: StevieSG on 14/01/2008 21:57:39 Originally by: The Anointed Edited by: The Anointed on 14/01/2008 20:17:56 Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan, however the basis for the thread was supposed to be whether or not anyone thought that there was someone else capable, perhaps better suited to hosting it rather than just slagging him off, which is how it turned out. Actually, they're slagging YOU off. You yet again prove how perceptive you are, please continue.. OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Setanta NaFianna FinFleet	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:04:00 - [16] I like wogan :(
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 14/01/2008 22:33:06 This thread fails to deliver. Having met Spiral & Stevie I can honestly say that I would not have anyone else to do it. All really nice people and I am convinced that the effort they put in is admirable. EvE TV wouldnt be the same without them. Never got chance to meet the Ebil Verone though. Hopefully I may get to meet you all again soon as I have applied to join the panel for the upcoming tournament. Although I'll save bringing the big bottle of Vodka for the end of show party if I do. Fingers crossed I make the selection :) Click here to visit our site
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:56:00 - [18] I've worked behind the scenes with EVETV as a sound engineer, and the amount of work and effort put in by the entire crew and cast- especially spiralJunkie and StevieSG- is simply staggering. As Verone said earlier, the presentation is one of the most important things- it's no use just having lots of content if it's not handed to you, the viewer, in an easy-to-digest manner. If you don't like the presenters, don't watch it. There's not many alternatives to EVETV, but they exist. Go watch them instead if you want an EVETV sans spiralJunkie- but it shows in the quality and content of those shows in my opinion. Blog
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:56:00 - [19] Originally by: StevieSG Edited by: StevieSG on 14/01/2008 21:57:39 Originally by: The Anointed Edited by: The Anointed on 14/01/2008 20:17:56 Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan, however the basis for the thread was supposed to be whether or not anyone thought that there was someone else capable, perhaps better suited to hosting it rather than just slagging him off, which is how it turned out. Actually, they're slagging YOU off. You yet again prove how perceptive you are, please continue.. I was referring to my original post, nobody elses. Apologies if that wasnt clear.
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Verone Originally by: The Anointed Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan. Then don't watch the show, it really is that simple. I happen to think Terry Wogan is a nob, for this reason I don't listen to any of his radio shows. Common sense dictates that when you don't like something, then you don't hang around it. I paid to watch the show, and I do watch it and will continue to do so, but just as you had your opinions on eve tv when it first came out, I also have mine, and although the original post was harsh in respect of Spiral, it is still my view. I'm not saying that I would do any better, because I doubt I would, but I still feel sometimes spiral lets himself down. Now, I have no knowledge of backstage stuff and from reading peoples replies it shows that he must put in a lot of effort into making the show so for that I am grateful. So for those that have given this as a reason, you obviously feel that he is the man on and off the screen, or in an ideal world would you have him off the screen and pulling the strings or doing it all?
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:38:00 - [21] Whether or not you like something or someone is entirely subjective and you of course have every right to hold a negative opinion of Spiral in this instance. I know a few people who don't particularly like him. I personally found him to be a pleasant chap when I met him and hence my own view is coloured by these perceptions. Personally I think that the reward for all his hard work behind the scenes is to sit in front of the camera and enjoy the fruits of his labour. So yes I'd happily keep Spiral doing what he does the way he does it. Click here to visit our site
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:49:00 - [22] It`s a very cheap way of slander to criticize someone while not making a difference yourself. I had the pleasure of being a NewsClone (while it lasted), and SJ was a great guy to work with (or for ). Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns or bring up constructive criticism instead of pure bitterness like you do now. Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... EVE Video Hall of Fame
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Trypho It`s a very cheap way of slander to criticize someone while not making a difference yourself. I had the pleasure of being a NewsClone (while it lasted), and SJ was a great guy to work with (or for ). Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns or bring up constructive criticism instead of pure bitterness like you do now. Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... o snap.. OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:28:00 - [24] You are a delight aswell EVE Video Hall of Fame
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:51:00 - [25] Having met the Eve TV team in Iceland, and having me being a right drunken a**e. The people from Eve TV could not have been nicer. I loved the show the tourneys, the presenters, the stories and anything that enhances my experience of Eve and Spiral + Steve were the face of that and as such deserve not just our respect but well wishes for the future. You are entitled to your option, but I think you can see you are in a very small (but vocal) minority. I still think Steve and Spiral would make a great eurovision entrant for the UK! NO SIG REQURIED
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Trypho Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns .... Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... I was actually thinking of trying to contribute, however I think Stevie may lynch me on site now that I have been harsh with my words about Spiral. I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Verone on 15/01/2008 14:59:58 Originally by: The Anointed Originally by: Verone Originally by: The Anointed Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan. Then don't watch the show, it really is that simple. I happen to think Terry Wogan is a nob, for this reason I don't listen to any of his radio shows. Common sense dictates that when you don't like something, then you don't hang around it. I paid to watch the show, and I do watch it and will continue to do so, but just as you had your opinions on eve tv when it first came out, I also have mine, and although the original post was harsh in respect of Spiral, it is still my view. Yes, I had my opinions on the SHOW, which I put across in a constructive, albeit negative way. What I didn't do is come on here and start taking shots at a PERSON from the show. That's low, it sucks, and it fails. Massively. Sadly in life, there's too many armchair warriors like yourself out there who're happy to sit and fester, while they shout clueless directions at people without the faintest idea of what they're trying to achieve. "bhhuuuuhhhhhhhh, you can get someone better...." Step up to the plate and try to do his job and you'll see mentally, just how draining and hard it is to do. Until you have even the remotest idea of what you're complaining about, keep your trap shut, to be honest. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:53:00 - [28] Ok, no need to lynch the guy. He shouldn't have to be a part of EVETV to be allowed an opinion. If he doesn't think Spiral is up to the job, then he should say so and I respect that, even If I don't agree with it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:23:00 - [29] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/01/2008 16:26:04 Originally by: QwaarJet Ok, no need to lynch the guy. He shouldn't have to be a part of EVETV to be allowed an opinion. If he doesn't think Spiral is up to the job, then he should say so and I respect that, even If I don't agree with it. Of course he's entitled to voice his opinion. But his opinion would carry more weight if it was an informed one, and also if he actually came up with a viable alternative. Whilst I'm sure that Des Lynam would do a wonderful job presenting Eve TV, not only is his knowledge of Eve slightly less than Spiral's, I also very much doubt that he's available. And of course, just as he's entitled to voice his opinion, we're all entitled to say that we think that he's just plain wrong. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:11:00 - [30] Originally by: The Anointed I was actually thinking of trying to contribute, however I think Stevie may lynch me on site now that I have been harsh with my words about Spiral. I wonder who`se to blaim for that one. I have a suggestion to make so you will understand your own opening post; You go contribute to EVE TV, and then the EVE TV crew will make an evaluation-thread on how well you performed contributing to the show. I`m sure the EVE TV crew is less bitter then you are, and would actually listen to what suggestions you have to make. Sounds like a good deal seeing how fair and well put your opinion is about other people. EVE Video Hall of Fame

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