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QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/01/2008 16:26:04 Originally by: QwaarJet Ok, no need to lynch the guy. He shouldn't have to be a part of EVETV to be allowed an opinion. If he doesn't think Spiral is up to the job, then he should say so and I respect that, even If I don't agree with it. Of course he's entitled to voice his opinion. But his opinion would carry more weight if it was an informed one, and also if he actually came up with a viable alternative. Whilst I'm sure that Des Lynam would do a wonderful job presenting Eve TV, not only is his knowledge of Eve slightly less than Spiral's, I also very much doubt that he's available. And of course, just as he's entitled to voice his opinion, we're all entitled to say that we think that he's just plain wrong. Of course everyone has a right to tell him how wrong they feel he is, but this thread looks more like a witch hunt with the EVETV guys not just disagreeing, but tearing him apart. Oh, and we REALLY need to get Des Lynam on EVETV.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:44:00 - [32] Could be, but we have some sort of motivation instead of just trolling. EVE Video Hall of Fame
Tissa Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:48:00 - [33] excuse me? QwaarJet I think you will find he started is this thread along with the last one with the express intent of attacking "spiral" the real life out of game man. Originally by: The Anointed I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all. Do you have evidence to suggest that this was the case or are you trying to start a rumour now? This is out and out real life slander and completely untrue. Eve TV being canceled had nothing to do with any of the shows presenters and it's ignorant and malicious that you would suggest that it was. Newsflash buddy attempting to get a man fired by starting a thread to get the community to turn on him is not going to get you or any of your friends his job. No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 15/01/2008 19:18:52 Originally by: The Anointed I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all. Does it matter that much who runs it? ---- Anything less is wasted effort
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Tissa excuse me? QwaarJet I think you will find he started is this thread along with the last one with the express intent of attacking "spiral" the real life out of game man. Originally by: The Anointed I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all. Do you have evidence to suggest that this was the case or are you trying to start a rumour now? This is out and out real life slander and completely untrue. Eve TV being canceled had nothing to do with any of the shows presenters and it's ignorant and malicious that you would suggest that it was. Newsflash buddy attempting to get a man fired by starting a thread to get the community to turn on him is not going to get you or any of your friends his job. I wasnt making any statement as to spriral having anything to do with it getting rested, what I was saying was that regardless of my opinion of there being other alternatives to Spiral as a host, I would prefer to have eve tv with him rather than no eve tv at all. Look, I made a decision not to re word my op to cover up how I said what I said, however since the op I have gone on to say that it was too strongly worded, but that the idea of having one of the previous experts as a possible host would still be something I would like to see. I'm not sure how you interpreted what I wrote as me suggesting he was the reason it got shelfed, although I guess reading the op and not my other comments might lead you to that conclusion.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:03:00 - [36] I think it would be most proffesional of you to take critique directly to EVE TV if it really bothers you, instead of damaging your own and other people`s image. Keep in mind though to make reasonable suggestions and to offer some tips on how to improve the show rather then a rant. This thread is helping nobody towards nowhere sofar. EVE Video Hall of Fame
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:11:00 - [37] Spiral aint just a pretty figure you know he does have combat experience story ensues: Back about a year ago, MC took a one day contract for Maelstrom alliance. This was after we had dec'd against them a few month earlier if i recall. they had lost the first day of fighting, and the enemy had a beachhead and after that they had effectively lost. now this was before eve-tv, but spiral did somethink at the time that made me know his name. anyways, as i was i think the first mc fc to show up i was trying to figure out what was going on and the person i ended up talking to was none other that spiral. He was on another character (name was like semi-japanese or something can't remember it, maybe lu- something) but he was basically in charge of maelstrom. i was like ** this is gonna suck, trying to guie a celebrity around. but fact was, without any real help he had their ** together, had their goals outlined and was just really looking for some minor advice and more ships. The plan was solid, (domi-nuet, pwnzor stuff i think) and although i hated him at the end of the day (for accidentaly gang warping a fleet of carriers out of the pos durin the main fight(i'll never forget;p)) he knew his stuff. he knew his stuff. and when a man knows his stuff, he in general.... knows his stuff. Now is his commentary always spot on? no. Is he one of the most expereinced and stable commentators out there? yes -
Alaesa State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Alaesa on 16/01/2008 01:36:09 While I have to say spiral is a good host, his in-game knowledge is lacking. As is the MAJORITY of the eve-tv guests at the tournament. From paying close attention, it is more of a circle jerk than anything else, with it more being a lucky dip as to any of them knowing anything about PVP/politics. Take for instance Stavros - hasn't been active for over a year, yet is still preferred there as an 'expert' even though anyone who engages in PVP can tell he's not. The circle jerk that has become eve-tv and the PVP tournament, well, it will become obvious when the experts that are announced this time. It is nothing to do with how well they know the game ( trev and stavros being an excellent example, they knew nothing about the game ) but more to do with how much the 'crew' liked them. This time around it'll be interesting to see how many of the so called experts are actually well versed in what they are talking about, compared to how many of them attend eve-meets with certain members of the team. IMO it is a pathetic reflection on the game, how people are picked to represent CCP, and their skills. Having been through this farce, I would like to wish all those that have the misfortune of being selected goodwill, and hope they have a better experience (with actual communication from their superiors! ** that would be a wonder). GL people like "tony", I'm sure no-one that knows who the ** you are will great you with good will just because you are the in-circle with spiraljunkie et al. Edit: All the people defending the sham that is the selection policy again are all in with the cirle jerk - just check the SHC forums. I'd like it better if experts were judged on their merit, their expertise, their love of the game. Not on who they're friends with, not on who they fly with. Not on what happens off camera. It's absolutely disgraceful.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.16 02:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Alaesa Edited by: Alaesa on 16/01/2008 01:36:09 While I have to say spiral is a good host, his in-game knowledge is lacking. As is the MAJORITY of the eve-tv guests at the tournament. From paying close attention, it is more of a circle jerk than anything else, with it more being a lucky dip as to any of them knowing anything about PVP/politics. Take for instance Stavros - hasn't been active for over a year, yet is still preferred there as an 'expert' even though anyone who engages in PVP can tell he's not. The circle jerk that has become eve-tv and the PVP tournament, well, it will become obvious when the experts that are announced this time. It is nothing to do with how well they know the game ( trev and stavros being an excellent example, they knew nothing about the game ) but more to do with how much the 'crew' liked them. This time around it'll be interesting to see how many of the so called experts are actually well versed in what they are talking about, compared to how many of them attend eve-meets with certain members of the team. IMO it is a pathetic reflection on the game, how people are picked to represent CCP, and their skills. Having been through this farce, I would like to wish all those that have the misfortune of being selected goodwill, and hope they have a better experience (with actual communication from their superiors! ** that would be a wonder). GL people like "tony", I'm sure no-one that knows who the ** you are will great you with good will just because you are the in-circle with spiraljunkie et al. Edit: All the people defending the sham that is the selection policy again are all in with the cirle jerk - just check the SHC forums. I'd like it better if experts were judged on their merit, their expertise, their love of the game. Not on who they're friends with, not on who they fly with. Not on what happens off camera. It's absolutely disgraceful. I do firmly believe that people should be picked for expertise and nothing else....... sometimes that appears to not be the case. Ideally people who have past tournament experience. As people have said about EVETV, if you've never done it, you'll never know what It's like. This also applies to the tournament. If you've never been in it, you can't possibly claim to be an expert on it. The only EVETV guy I can think of that has been in the tournament is Trev, and it shows, quite frankly. But your post is once again (like the op's post) singling out spiral, which seems pretty harsh. If your annoyed about EVETV people not knowing what they are talking about, then I can think of far worse culprits than Spiral, who is pretty knowledgeable.
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.16 09:47:00 - [40] I would disagree slightly about the comment on the experts, depending upon why they are selected as experts. Everyone can be considered an expert when they have access to information to check before they make posts, however when your commentating or reviewing, the guys/girls cant pause for 5 minutes to check facts, and this is where the experts on eve shine through. As far as experts go as well, I'd say activity in eve is not the main thing that should be considered, but activity in the tournament should be given higher priority over everyhtign else. I'm not sure about Stavros because I havent had any contact with him, however Trev is someone I do know and can honestly say he isnt the most active person in eve, however he has the built up knowledge of years with all races of ships and even when appearing on broadcasts and not being able to actually fight in the tourny, he is a central part of the tactics and I think that shows when he isnt drunk. I would say that sort of experience is better than having someone who is massivley active in eve but hasnt had anyhthing to do with a tournament. Perhaps it is not a case of a full on circle jerk, perhaps its a case of a security zone, rather have tested guys back than take a punt on new guys. I guess we will see wen the experts are announced this time round. Spiral isnt the only person that picks the experts, so is not the only person that could be at fault.

Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:17:00 - [41] Edited by: Stavros on 16/01/2008 20:16:58 Originally by: Alaesa BITTER BITTER BITTER BITTER Since I'm such an expert I am of course, AMAZING with facts and figures. So here are some just for you sugar plumb... We had approximately 90 apps this year 60 of those were not complete crap 45 of those replied to the questionnaire that was sent out.. 40 of those bothered to write more than 'I AM GUD AT EVE LOL' About half of those actually looked like they'd had a serious attempt to fill in the questionnaire and really wanted the oppurtunity offered. So out of all the well known and blow hard members of the 200k plus Eve subscribers we had an amazing 40 valid applicants. I am willing to put money right now, that none of the blowhards on these forums even bothered to apply. I am not going to defend my self personally, because quite frankly I'm ******* great and have minions to do that kind of thing if needed. Just think on those figures though before you go on another epic, although flawed, diatribe... -- "DANCE DANCE"
Bek Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:23:00 - [42] Shamelessly defends Stavros E-Honour
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/01/2008 20:26:35 Originally by: Alaesa Stuff I've worked in sound, lighting and general work- including TV and film- for bloody ages, and in any situation there will be people more well versed in the topics at hand, but they're no bloody good on TV/film, and thus don't get on. The producer, director or casting director will choose the person who knows sort of what's going on but has done TV before (ie: not camera shy) or is known to the person as being a solid personality and someone who will give the show something as well as the content. I think perhaps if you wanted to nitpick, the term 'expert' is a misnomer. Just read 'expert' as 'commentator' or 'personality' and it all makes more sense. Of course there's always someone with better knowledge. But Stavros, Eddz, Verone- these people A) do know their stuff, you really can't deny it- not the best people, but they're bloody good nonetheless and B) are good on camera. You can't say that about many people who would be real 'experts'. Remember that EVETV is a TV show, not the final word in accuracy. It's as much about making a good show that's interesting to watch as it is about the content. Without one, the other is completely and utterly useless. Blog
Cougem Divine Retribution	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:26:00 - [44] I maintain that Spiral's commentary during match EVETV vs. Devs match was probably the funniest part of the last tournament. He isn't just a presenter, he's arguably the best and funniest commentator, too.
GusHobbleton Aperture Science Companion Cube Dating Services	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Stavros I am not going to defend my self personally, because quite frankly I'm ******* great and have minions to do that kind of thing if needed. Just think on those figures though before you go on another epic, although flawed, diatribe... Spartan Industries is indeed a somewhat exclusive, highly skilled PVP corp and Stavros is a highly valued member of it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Homo Erectus Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:35:00 - [46] Originally by: GusHobbleton Spartan Industries is indeed a somewhat exclusive, highly skilled PVP corp and Stavros is a highly valued member of it. he's a nubbin in a nubbin corp :\|
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Homo Erectus Originally by: GusHobbleton Spartan Industries is indeed a somewhat exclusive, highly skilled PVP corp and Stavros is a highly valued member of it. he's a nubbin in a nubbin corp :\| OHGODIVEMISSEDYOUSOMUCHHOMO -- "DANCE DANCE"
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:52:00 - [48] Come on, it's only a game. [ducks and runs] ---- Anything less is wasted effort
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Ix Forres Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/01/2008 20:26:35 Originally by: Alaesa Stuff I've worked in sound, lighting and general work- including TV and film- for bloody ages, and in any situation there will be people more well versed in the topics at hand, but they're no bloody good on TV/film, and thus don't get on. The producer, director or casting director will choose the person who knows sort of what's going on but has done TV before (ie: not camera shy) or is known to the person as being a solid personality and someone who will give the show something as well as the content. I think perhaps if you wanted to nitpick, the term 'expert' is a misnomer. Just read 'expert' as 'commentator' or 'personality' and it all makes more sense. Of course there's always someone with better knowledge. But Stavros, Eddz, Verone- these people A) do know their stuff, you really can't deny it- not the best people, but they're bloody good nonetheless and B) are good on camera. You can't say that about many people who would be real 'experts'. Remember that EVETV is a TV show, not the final word in accuracy. It's as much about making a good show that's interesting to watch as it is about the content. Without one, the other is completely and utterly useless. That's probably a fairly accurate post. But the problem is that because EVETV is just that, a TV show...people tend to get gleamy eyed and assume that if a TV personality says something, then it must be true, even if completely wrong. Then we have the true experts, who are actually fighting rather than commentating correcting them and getting torn to shreds by the EVETV fanbase. I don't really think that's fair. Quote: I am willing to put money right now, that none of the blowhards on these forums even bothered to apply. Did you consider that there were valid, legit reasons for so many people not applying? Work? Health? Other RL issues? It goes back to my previous point. You don't need to be on EVETV to know what you're talking about.
Evil Edna Seal Cub Clubbing Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:16:00 - [50] id rather compete than talk about other people competing will be the same for alot of other people on the top teams or who have a good plan for this year

Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:00:00 - [51] Originally by: QwaarJet Originally by: Ix Forres Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/01/2008 20:26:35 Originally by: Alaesa Stuff I've worked in sound, lighting and general work- including TV and film- for bloody ages, and in any situation there will be people more well versed in the topics at hand, but they're no bloody good on TV/film, and thus don't get on. The producer, director or casting director will choose the person who knows sort of what's going on but has done TV before (ie: not camera shy) or is known to the person as being a solid personality and someone who will give the show something as well as the content. I think perhaps if you wanted to nitpick, the term 'expert' is a misnomer. Just read 'expert' as 'commentator' or 'personality' and it all makes more sense. Of course there's always someone with better knowledge. But Stavros, Eddz, Verone- these people A) do know their stuff, you really can't deny it- not the best people, but they're bloody good nonetheless and B) are good on camera. You can't say that about many people who would be real 'experts'. Remember that EVETV is a TV show, not the final word in accuracy. It's as much about making a good show that's interesting to watch as it is about the content. Without one, the other is completely and utterly useless. That's probably a fairly accurate post. But the problem is that because EVETV is just that, a TV show...people tend to get gleamy eyed and assume that if a TV personality says something, then it must be true, even if completely wrong. Then we have the true experts, who are actually fighting rather than commentating correcting them and getting torn to shreds by the EVETV fanbase. I don't really think that's fair. Quote: I am willing to put money right now, that none of the blowhards on these forums even bothered to apply. Did you consider that there were valid, legit reasons for so many people not applying? Work? Health? Other RL issues? It goes back to my previous point. You don't need to be on EVETV to know what you're talking about. Yes I did consider this, but did you consider that eve has over 200k players atm? And we get 40 applicants and nearly as many whining gits on the forums. One of the quickest ways you can get percieved as a whiner and someone with a constanly negative opinion is to always bring problems to the table, but never solutions. Thats my point here, I fully appreciate not everyone can just drop stuff and head off to Iceland for two weeks and thats fine, but unless you are in a position to make a difference yourself and you come on here arguing about expert choice, you are walking a very very slim line. Its like... OH GOD I HATE EVE TV THE EXPERTS ARE ALL ***.... BUT I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT WHINE ON THE FORUMS... I'M AN E-HERO! Man up, shut your whine holes and apply yourselves next time, or at least encourage your friends to apply or something... YOUR ARGUEMENT ENDED HERE XXXXX Stavros -- "DANCE DANCE"*
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:02:00 - [52] Well said! You`re my e-hero EVE Video Hall of Fame
Evil Edna Seal Cub Clubbing Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:55:00 - [53] sorry stav thats really dumb i cant let it pass youre saying that people with jobs, school commitments, health issues or other things in their lives that prevent them from dropping everything and going to iceland for 2 or 3 weeks arnt allowed to have opinions on how evetv has done the tounament coverage? like i said, thats really dumb
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Evil Edna sorry stav thats really dumb i cant let it pass youre saying that people with jobs, school commitments, health issues or other things in their lives that prevent them from dropping everything and going to iceland for 2 or 3 weeks arnt allowed to have opinions on how evetv has done the tounament coverage? like i said, thats really dumb Didn't state anything of the sort me old chum, I'm essentially saying 2 things: Firstly I understand not everyone can come to the tournament, due to real life and etc. thats fine nothing against that, these people are entitled to their opinions thats all fine. Second, whining on the forums about how crap stuff is without providing solutions is pathetic and pointless and comes of as looking like little more than incredibly bitter personal attacks. If people have issues and they want stuff fixed, state the problem and state what they'd do about it, don't just say EVE TV IS CRAP AND EXPERTS SUCK AND LOL LOL. Apply yourself or get others you feel would do the job better to apply. I think both these points are fair and relatively obvious. MUCH LOVE STAVELLES -- "DANCE DANCE"
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:41:00 - [55] Let`s try this again - there is a difference between (1) constructive criticism usefull for improvement, (2) opinion and (3) whine. The first one is usefull and appreciated, the second is OK but generally less usefull for EVE TV, and the last one is unnecessary and annoying. Apply a category to the previous posts in this thread and you will see why most posts are not helping. EVE Video Hall of Fame
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:41:00 - [56] Quote: OH GOD I HATE EVE TV THE EXPERTS ARE ALL ****.... BUT I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT WHINE ON THE FORUMS... I'M AN E-HERO! I'm in a rather tiresome situation here. I simply cannot be on EVETV for personal reasons, and anyone I've asked in my alliance is not interested in applying. What you are saying is that because of this, I have no right to say the way I feel about this on the forums, because I'm in no position to do anything about it. I'm sorry, but I don't work that way. Bear in mind I'm not exactly whining either... I'm simply stating what I feel is wrong about the tournament coverage. Bear in mind also that I will often compliment the tournament coverage as well, as most of the people were pretty good last year, especially Spiral, Trev and Eddz as well. I don't even think there is even a solution to the problem. As several have already said, those that should be there are too busy actually fighting in the tournament. And that will never change. And someone like me, who has been in 3 previous tournaments and knows what he is talking about (thus wouldn't mind being on the other side) simply can't go. Believe me, I am also annoyed that there is nothing I can do about this. It would be great to be out there. One possible option is allowing people that are on the expert panel to also take part in the tournament.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:49:00 - [57] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 I'm not sure that never having been in the tournament is that much of a disadvantage. The likes of John Motson and Jonathan Pearce have never played professional football, but are still well-known football commentators in the UK. Even many of the ex-footballers used as pundits still talk authoritatively about the World Cup without ever having played in it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:19:00 - [58] Simple statement : Taking part in a live broadcast is difficult. Extremely difficult. The first time I tried it, I was scared half to death. I still underestimated just how much goes into it. I can't even imagine how much went into a Weekly show. Fact of the matter is that not being able to apply for "personal" reasons, or any other for that matter, means absolutely nothing and gives you no justification to openly hammer down and criticise those who ARE putting the effort in. Contrary to popular belief, "bu-hu, I can't go for this, or that..." doesn't give you a free shot to take a swipe at any of the cast or crew of Eve-TV, who frankly, work their arses off to bring the tournament to your desktops. Grow some and step up and try it, or sit down, shut the hell up and enjoy the broadcast. If you tune in and don't like it, no one's forcing you to watch it. End of, really. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Verone Simple statement : Taking part in a live broadcast is difficult. Extremely difficult. The first time I tried it, I was scared half to death. They made you wear makeup, huh? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Verone Simple statement : Taking part in a live broadcast is difficult. Extremely difficult. The first time I tried it, I was scared half to death. They made you wear makeup, huh? noes, I R all naurals >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<



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