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The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:25:00 - [1] After the whole Eve Tv thing happened, although part of me was upset, part of me was also pleased in a strange way that it had taken a break for a while, so let me explain why. I felt that both Eve Tv and the tourny events had become what seemed to be a gathering of people, under the wing of a person that I did not feel represented CCP in way I would wish it to be represented. Yes, by this I mean SpiralJunkie. Eve Tv and the Tourny shows had an excellent opportunity to showcase what I would consider the best MMO out there, and a game I have played since its release. However I feel that the opportunity was somewhat spoiled and almost appeared to beocme an ego stroking routine. Now, I have nothing at all against the idea of Eve Tv or indeed the tourny however I feel that in all honesty, the experts are what makes it, and quite honestly feel that sometimes their abilities are overcast by a poor host. I am going to assume that Spiral was not hired because of his expert status, but because of his ability as a broadcaster of sorts. My view on this is that I would prefer to have another expert on board and loose spiral as many of the experts in my opinion could host the tourny and any reincarnation of Eve Tv to a better standard than Spiral and beleived that when the tourny returned that spiral would have been replaced. That is my viewpoint, and I would be interested to know if anyone else thinks that the host has been chosen with less care than the Experts, some of which would most certainly get my vote as a future host. /Discuss
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:44:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 14/01/2008 15:44:42 Without SpiralJunkie, there wouldn't have been an Eve TV in the first place. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.14 15:56:00 - [3] Spiral knows more than most of the so called "experts". At least that's what I get from the broadcasts and the times I've talked to him. He listens and takes stuff in, and seems to come up with good stuff in the tourney broadcasts. Plus, he's an MM supporter, so he clearly has his wits about him
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 16:30:00 - [4] Sorry, but I gotta jump in completely and contradict you here. I, along with the other "experts" as we're called, have seen how Eve-TV works from the inside, (and by that I don't mean I've been inside SpiralJunkie). In my opinion you couldn't be more wrong. All you see of Spiral is the half hour to hour he's put in a week on camera, or the times he's sat in the chair hosting the Tournament. You really have no idea the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes. Writing, prep work, work on scripts for features in episodes (like the ship profiles). Research, speaking to people, flying places in Eve to get screenshots and information about alliances and developments first hand. That goes for everyone, not just Spiral. The entire crew who produces Eve-TV work their arses off to make the show a reality and personally I think it's unfair to have a go at Spiral. Along with Stevie, he's become the face of Eve-TV. Presentation is what counts, and actual content and how it's relayed, not whether you agree with it. Just because you don't agree with what someone says on screen, it doesn't mean they're a bad host. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.14 17:46:00 - [5] You sir, are an ass. I doubt that you will ever do something for the eve community with as much dedication, talent and conviction as Spiral. Your statements are sprung, probably from jealousy. And this response has taken more time then I will ever spend again replying to such a comment. Without SJ there would have been no evetv. toodles. SG OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:20:00 - [6] I'm not an EVE-TV expert, I have never met spiralJunkie IRL, and I have never had any internet contact either... But I cannot imagine any other person than him hosting EVE-TV, ever. That would be like trying to produce petrol with cow milk. SJ FTW!
Tissa Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.14 18:30:00 - [7] Its really rather interesting what a name search will bring up http://eve-search.com/thread/629073/page/1#15 is particularly interesting. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else, no one wants to read your spiteful rubbish. No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Stavros on 14/01/2008 19:13:23 Originally by: Tissa Its really rather interesting what a name search will bring up http://eve-search.com/thread/629073/page/1#15 is particularly interesting. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else, no one wants to read your spiteful rubbish. Hell hath no fury like a woman with eve-search! Oh and ouch to the OP btw ;\ Edited because although he is a good presenter, he is a **** when it comes to spelling errors ¼_¼ -- "DANCE DANCE"
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 19:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Tissa Its really rather interesting what a name search will bring up http://eve-search.com/thread/629073/page/1#15 is particularly interesting. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else, no one wants to read your spiteful rubbish. I give this post : / on the Patented Veto Corp omgwtfroflbbqÖ scale. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Setanta NaFianna FinFleet	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:01:00 - [10] I'll admit that at first I didn't really like spiral. Just something about him irked me a bit. Also, I thought jusjack should have stayed, he's so cuddly :P, but as I understand things there was a disagreement of sorts. (HI XYLIANNA ! Regardless, I gave evetv and spiral another chance and I have to say it feels like there is something missing from eve without the show.
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:17:00 - [11] Edited by: The Anointed on 14/01/2008 20:17:56 Originally by: Verone You really have no idea the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes. Writing, prep work, work on scripts for features in episodes (like the ship profiles). Research, speaking to people, flying places in Eve to get screenshots and information about alliances and developments first hand. Your right I dont have any idea as to the backstage working of it, so if I have underestimated his input then I apologise for that. Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan, however the basis for the thread was supposed to be whether or not anyone thought that there was someone else capable, perhaps better suited to hosting it rather than just slagging him off, which is how it turned out. Originally by: StevieSG You Sir, are an ass. Fair one. The question still stands though. And that eve search must have turned up something better than that. Everyone knows I'm Trevs alt already.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:29:00 - [12] Originally by: The Anointed Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan. Then don't watch the show, it really is that simple. I happen to think Terry Wogan is a nob, for this reason I don't listen to any of his radio shows. Common sense dictates that when you don't like something, then you don't hang around it. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Tissa Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:39:00 - [13] Originally by: The Anointed And that eve search must have turned up something better than that. Everyone knows I'm Trevs alt already. k http://eve-search.com/thread/586555/page/2 "Dude, if your going to moan, moan about stuff like hating spiral for no reason at all like I do." and the folowing proved you are not his alt. http://eve-search.com/thread/586614/page/1#1 Curiouser and curiouser.... No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
Calmdown Minmatar BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:44:00 - [14] I don't like making posts like this, but in the case of this Op, I feel that this is appropriate: Posting in a fail thread http://www.save-evetv.com/
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:53:00 - [15] Edited by: StevieSG on 14/01/2008 21:57:39 Originally by: The Anointed Edited by: The Anointed on 14/01/2008 20:17:56 Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan, however the basis for the thread was supposed to be whether or not anyone thought that there was someone else capable, perhaps better suited to hosting it rather than just slagging him off, which is how it turned out. Actually, they're slagging YOU off. You yet again prove how perceptive you are, please continue.. OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Setanta NaFianna FinFleet	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:04:00 - [16] I like wogan :(
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 14/01/2008 22:33:06 This thread fails to deliver. Having met Spiral & Stevie I can honestly say that I would not have anyone else to do it. All really nice people and I am convinced that the effort they put in is admirable. EvE TV wouldnt be the same without them. Never got chance to meet the Ebil Verone though. Hopefully I may get to meet you all again soon as I have applied to join the panel for the upcoming tournament. Although I'll save bringing the big bottle of Vodka for the end of show party if I do. Fingers crossed I make the selection :) Click here to visit our site
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:56:00 - [18] I've worked behind the scenes with EVETV as a sound engineer, and the amount of work and effort put in by the entire crew and cast- especially spiralJunkie and StevieSG- is simply staggering. As Verone said earlier, the presentation is one of the most important things- it's no use just having lots of content if it's not handed to you, the viewer, in an easy-to-digest manner. If you don't like the presenters, don't watch it. There's not many alternatives to EVETV, but they exist. Go watch them instead if you want an EVETV sans spiralJunkie- but it shows in the quality and content of those shows in my opinion. Blog
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:56:00 - [19] Originally by: StevieSG Edited by: StevieSG on 14/01/2008 21:57:39 Originally by: The Anointed Edited by: The Anointed on 14/01/2008 20:17:56 Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan, however the basis for the thread was supposed to be whether or not anyone thought that there was someone else capable, perhaps better suited to hosting it rather than just slagging him off, which is how it turned out. Actually, they're slagging YOU off. You yet again prove how perceptive you are, please continue.. I was referring to my original post, nobody elses. Apologies if that wasnt clear.
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Verone Originally by: The Anointed Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan. Then don't watch the show, it really is that simple. I happen to think Terry Wogan is a nob, for this reason I don't listen to any of his radio shows. Common sense dictates that when you don't like something, then you don't hang around it. I paid to watch the show, and I do watch it and will continue to do so, but just as you had your opinions on eve tv when it first came out, I also have mine, and although the original post was harsh in respect of Spiral, it is still my view. I'm not saying that I would do any better, because I doubt I would, but I still feel sometimes spiral lets himself down. Now, I have no knowledge of backstage stuff and from reading peoples replies it shows that he must put in a lot of effort into making the show so for that I am grateful. So for those that have given this as a reason, you obviously feel that he is the man on and off the screen, or in an ideal world would you have him off the screen and pulling the strings or doing it all?
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:38:00 - [21] Whether or not you like something or someone is entirely subjective and you of course have every right to hold a negative opinion of Spiral in this instance. I know a few people who don't particularly like him. I personally found him to be a pleasant chap when I met him and hence my own view is coloured by these perceptions. Personally I think that the reward for all his hard work behind the scenes is to sit in front of the camera and enjoy the fruits of his labour. So yes I'd happily keep Spiral doing what he does the way he does it. Click here to visit our site
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:49:00 - [22] It`s a very cheap way of slander to criticize someone while not making a difference yourself. I had the pleasure of being a NewsClone (while it lasted), and SJ was a great guy to work with (or for ). Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns or bring up constructive criticism instead of pure bitterness like you do now. Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... EVE Video Hall of Fame
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Trypho It`s a very cheap way of slander to criticize someone while not making a difference yourself. I had the pleasure of being a NewsClone (while it lasted), and SJ was a great guy to work with (or for ). Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns or bring up constructive criticism instead of pure bitterness like you do now. Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... o snap.. OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:28:00 - [24] You are a delight aswell EVE Video Hall of Fame
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:51:00 - [25] Having met the Eve TV team in Iceland, and having me being a right drunken a**e. The people from Eve TV could not have been nicer. I loved the show the tourneys, the presenters, the stories and anything that enhances my experience of Eve and Spiral + Steve were the face of that and as such deserve not just our respect but well wishes for the future. You are entitled to your option, but I think you can see you are in a very small (but vocal) minority. I still think Steve and Spiral would make a great eurovision entrant for the UK! NO SIG REQURIED
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Trypho Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns .... Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... I was actually thinking of trying to contribute, however I think Stevie may lynch me on site now that I have been harsh with my words about Spiral. I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Verone on 15/01/2008 14:59:58 Originally by: The Anointed Originally by: Verone Originally by: The Anointed Its no secret that I'm not spirals biggest fan. Then don't watch the show, it really is that simple. I happen to think Terry Wogan is a nob, for this reason I don't listen to any of his radio shows. Common sense dictates that when you don't like something, then you don't hang around it. I paid to watch the show, and I do watch it and will continue to do so, but just as you had your opinions on eve tv when it first came out, I also have mine, and although the original post was harsh in respect of Spiral, it is still my view. Yes, I had my opinions on the SHOW, which I put across in a constructive, albeit negative way. What I didn't do is come on here and start taking shots at a PERSON from the show. That's low, it sucks, and it fails. Massively. Sadly in life, there's too many armchair warriors like yourself out there who're happy to sit and fester, while they shout clueless directions at people without the faintest idea of what they're trying to achieve. "bhhuuuuhhhhhhhh, you can get someone better...." Step up to the plate and try to do his job and you'll see mentally, just how draining and hard it is to do. Until you have even the remotest idea of what you're complaining about, keep your trap shut, to be honest. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.15 15:53:00 - [28] Ok, no need to lynch the guy. He shouldn't have to be a part of EVETV to be allowed an opinion. If he doesn't think Spiral is up to the job, then he should say so and I respect that, even If I don't agree with it.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.15 16:23:00 - [29] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/01/2008 16:26:04 Originally by: QwaarJet Ok, no need to lynch the guy. He shouldn't have to be a part of EVETV to be allowed an opinion. If he doesn't think Spiral is up to the job, then he should say so and I respect that, even If I don't agree with it. Of course he's entitled to voice his opinion. But his opinion would carry more weight if it was an informed one, and also if he actually came up with a viable alternative. Whilst I'm sure that Des Lynam would do a wonderful job presenting Eve TV, not only is his knowledge of Eve slightly less than Spiral's, I also very much doubt that he's available. And of course, just as he's entitled to voice his opinion, we're all entitled to say that we think that he's just plain wrong. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:11:00 - [30] Originally by: The Anointed I was actually thinking of trying to contribute, however I think Stevie may lynch me on site now that I have been harsh with my words about Spiral. I wonder who`se to blaim for that one. I have a suggestion to make so you will understand your own opening post; You go contribute to EVE TV, and then the EVE TV crew will make an evaluation-thread on how well you performed contributing to the show. I`m sure the EVE TV crew is less bitter then you are, and would actually listen to what suggestions you have to make. Sounds like a good deal seeing how fair and well put your opinion is about other people. EVE Video Hall of Fame
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/01/2008 16:26:04 Originally by: QwaarJet Ok, no need to lynch the guy. He shouldn't have to be a part of EVETV to be allowed an opinion. If he doesn't think Spiral is up to the job, then he should say so and I respect that, even If I don't agree with it. Of course he's entitled to voice his opinion. But his opinion would carry more weight if it was an informed one, and also if he actually came up with a viable alternative. Whilst I'm sure that Des Lynam would do a wonderful job presenting Eve TV, not only is his knowledge of Eve slightly less than Spiral's, I also very much doubt that he's available. And of course, just as he's entitled to voice his opinion, we're all entitled to say that we think that he's just plain wrong. Of course everyone has a right to tell him how wrong they feel he is, but this thread looks more like a witch hunt with the EVETV guys not just disagreeing, but tearing him apart. Oh, and we REALLY need to get Des Lynam on EVETV.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:44:00 - [32] Could be, but we have some sort of motivation instead of just trolling. EVE Video Hall of Fame
Tissa Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:48:00 - [33] excuse me? QwaarJet I think you will find he started is this thread along with the last one with the express intent of attacking "spiral" the real life out of game man. Originally by: The Anointed I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all. Do you have evidence to suggest that this was the case or are you trying to start a rumour now? This is out and out real life slander and completely untrue. Eve TV being canceled had nothing to do with any of the shows presenters and it's ignorant and malicious that you would suggest that it was. Newsflash buddy attempting to get a man fired by starting a thread to get the community to turn on him is not going to get you or any of your friends his job. No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 15/01/2008 19:18:52 Originally by: The Anointed I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all. Does it matter that much who runs it? ---- Anything less is wasted effort
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Tissa excuse me? QwaarJet I think you will find he started is this thread along with the last one with the express intent of attacking "spiral" the real life out of game man. Originally by: The Anointed I personally do hope eve tv returns either way, and if Spiral was the difference behind it returning or not then I would rather have an eve tv with spiral than no eve tv at all. Do you have evidence to suggest that this was the case or are you trying to start a rumour now? This is out and out real life slander and completely untrue. Eve TV being canceled had nothing to do with any of the shows presenters and it's ignorant and malicious that you would suggest that it was. Newsflash buddy attempting to get a man fired by starting a thread to get the community to turn on him is not going to get you or any of your friends his job. I wasnt making any statement as to spriral having anything to do with it getting rested, what I was saying was that regardless of my opinion of there being other alternatives to Spiral as a host, I would prefer to have eve tv with him rather than no eve tv at all. Look, I made a decision not to re word my op to cover up how I said what I said, however since the op I have gone on to say that it was too strongly worded, but that the idea of having one of the previous experts as a possible host would still be something I would like to see. I'm not sure how you interpreted what I wrote as me suggesting he was the reason it got shelfed, although I guess reading the op and not my other comments might lead you to that conclusion.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:03:00 - [36] I think it would be most proffesional of you to take critique directly to EVE TV if it really bothers you, instead of damaging your own and other people`s image. Keep in mind though to make reasonable suggestions and to offer some tips on how to improve the show rather then a rant. This thread is helping nobody towards nowhere sofar. EVE Video Hall of Fame
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:11:00 - [37] Spiral aint just a pretty figure you know he does have combat experience story ensues: Back about a year ago, MC took a one day contract for Maelstrom alliance. This was after we had dec'd against them a few month earlier if i recall. they had lost the first day of fighting, and the enemy had a beachhead and after that they had effectively lost. now this was before eve-tv, but spiral did somethink at the time that made me know his name. anyways, as i was i think the first mc fc to show up i was trying to figure out what was going on and the person i ended up talking to was none other that spiral. He was on another character (name was like semi-japanese or something can't remember it, maybe lu- something) but he was basically in charge of maelstrom. i was like ** this is gonna suck, trying to guie a celebrity around. but fact was, without any real help he had their ** together, had their goals outlined and was just really looking for some minor advice and more ships. The plan was solid, (domi-nuet, pwnzor stuff i think) and although i hated him at the end of the day (for accidentaly gang warping a fleet of carriers out of the pos durin the main fight(i'll never forget;p)) he knew his stuff. he knew his stuff. and when a man knows his stuff, he in general.... knows his stuff. Now is his commentary always spot on? no. Is he one of the most expereinced and stable commentators out there? yes -
Alaesa State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Alaesa on 16/01/2008 01:36:09 While I have to say spiral is a good host, his in-game knowledge is lacking. As is the MAJORITY of the eve-tv guests at the tournament. From paying close attention, it is more of a circle jerk than anything else, with it more being a lucky dip as to any of them knowing anything about PVP/politics. Take for instance Stavros - hasn't been active for over a year, yet is still preferred there as an 'expert' even though anyone who engages in PVP can tell he's not. The circle jerk that has become eve-tv and the PVP tournament, well, it will become obvious when the experts that are announced this time. It is nothing to do with how well they know the game ( trev and stavros being an excellent example, they knew nothing about the game ) but more to do with how much the 'crew' liked them. This time around it'll be interesting to see how many of the so called experts are actually well versed in what they are talking about, compared to how many of them attend eve-meets with certain members of the team. IMO it is a pathetic reflection on the game, how people are picked to represent CCP, and their skills. Having been through this farce, I would like to wish all those that have the misfortune of being selected goodwill, and hope they have a better experience (with actual communication from their superiors! ** that would be a wonder). GL people like "tony", I'm sure no-one that knows who the ** you are will great you with good will just because you are the in-circle with spiraljunkie et al. Edit: All the people defending the sham that is the selection policy again are all in with the cirle jerk - just check the SHC forums. I'd like it better if experts were judged on their merit, their expertise, their love of the game. Not on who they're friends with, not on who they fly with. Not on what happens off camera. It's absolutely disgraceful.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.16 02:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Alaesa Edited by: Alaesa on 16/01/2008 01:36:09 While I have to say spiral is a good host, his in-game knowledge is lacking. As is the MAJORITY of the eve-tv guests at the tournament. From paying close attention, it is more of a circle jerk than anything else, with it more being a lucky dip as to any of them knowing anything about PVP/politics. Take for instance Stavros - hasn't been active for over a year, yet is still preferred there as an 'expert' even though anyone who engages in PVP can tell he's not. The circle jerk that has become eve-tv and the PVP tournament, well, it will become obvious when the experts that are announced this time. It is nothing to do with how well they know the game ( trev and stavros being an excellent example, they knew nothing about the game ) but more to do with how much the 'crew' liked them. This time around it'll be interesting to see how many of the so called experts are actually well versed in what they are talking about, compared to how many of them attend eve-meets with certain members of the team. IMO it is a pathetic reflection on the game, how people are picked to represent CCP, and their skills. Having been through this farce, I would like to wish all those that have the misfortune of being selected goodwill, and hope they have a better experience (with actual communication from their superiors! ** that would be a wonder). GL people like "tony", I'm sure no-one that knows who the ** you are will great you with good will just because you are the in-circle with spiraljunkie et al. Edit: All the people defending the sham that is the selection policy again are all in with the cirle jerk - just check the SHC forums. I'd like it better if experts were judged on their merit, their expertise, their love of the game. Not on who they're friends with, not on who they fly with. Not on what happens off camera. It's absolutely disgraceful. I do firmly believe that people should be picked for expertise and nothing else....... sometimes that appears to not be the case. Ideally people who have past tournament experience. As people have said about EVETV, if you've never done it, you'll never know what It's like. This also applies to the tournament. If you've never been in it, you can't possibly claim to be an expert on it. The only EVETV guy I can think of that has been in the tournament is Trev, and it shows, quite frankly. But your post is once again (like the op's post) singling out spiral, which seems pretty harsh. If your annoyed about EVETV people not knowing what they are talking about, then I can think of far worse culprits than Spiral, who is pretty knowledgeable.
The Anointed Caldari Methods of Madness	Posted - 2008.01.16 09:47:00 - [40] I would disagree slightly about the comment on the experts, depending upon why they are selected as experts. Everyone can be considered an expert when they have access to information to check before they make posts, however when your commentating or reviewing, the guys/girls cant pause for 5 minutes to check facts, and this is where the experts on eve shine through. As far as experts go as well, I'd say activity in eve is not the main thing that should be considered, but activity in the tournament should be given higher priority over everyhtign else. I'm not sure about Stavros because I havent had any contact with him, however Trev is someone I do know and can honestly say he isnt the most active person in eve, however he has the built up knowledge of years with all races of ships and even when appearing on broadcasts and not being able to actually fight in the tourny, he is a central part of the tactics and I think that shows when he isnt drunk. I would say that sort of experience is better than having someone who is massivley active in eve but hasnt had anyhthing to do with a tournament. Perhaps it is not a case of a full on circle jerk, perhaps its a case of a security zone, rather have tested guys back than take a punt on new guys. I guess we will see wen the experts are announced this time round. Spiral isnt the only person that picks the experts, so is not the only person that could be at fault.
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:17:00 - [41] Edited by: Stavros on 16/01/2008 20:16:58 Originally by: Alaesa BITTER BITTER BITTER BITTER Since I'm such an expert I am of course, AMAZING with facts and figures. So here are some just for you sugar plumb... We had approximately 90 apps this year 60 of those were not complete crap 45 of those replied to the questionnaire that was sent out.. 40 of those bothered to write more than 'I AM GUD AT EVE LOL' About half of those actually looked like they'd had a serious attempt to fill in the questionnaire and really wanted the oppurtunity offered. So out of all the well known and blow hard members of the 200k plus Eve subscribers we had an amazing 40 valid applicants. I am willing to put money right now, that none of the blowhards on these forums even bothered to apply. I am not going to defend my self personally, because quite frankly I'm ******* great and have minions to do that kind of thing if needed. Just think on those figures though before you go on another epic, although flawed, diatribe... -- "DANCE DANCE"
Bek Dark Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:23:00 - [42] Shamelessly defends Stavros E-Honour
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/01/2008 20:26:35 Originally by: Alaesa Stuff I've worked in sound, lighting and general work- including TV and film- for bloody ages, and in any situation there will be people more well versed in the topics at hand, but they're no bloody good on TV/film, and thus don't get on. The producer, director or casting director will choose the person who knows sort of what's going on but has done TV before (ie: not camera shy) or is known to the person as being a solid personality and someone who will give the show something as well as the content. I think perhaps if you wanted to nitpick, the term 'expert' is a misnomer. Just read 'expert' as 'commentator' or 'personality' and it all makes more sense. Of course there's always someone with better knowledge. But Stavros, Eddz, Verone- these people A) do know their stuff, you really can't deny it- not the best people, but they're bloody good nonetheless and B) are good on camera. You can't say that about many people who would be real 'experts'. Remember that EVETV is a TV show, not the final word in accuracy. It's as much about making a good show that's interesting to watch as it is about the content. Without one, the other is completely and utterly useless. Blog
Cougem Divine Retribution	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:26:00 - [44] I maintain that Spiral's commentary during match EVETV vs. Devs match was probably the funniest part of the last tournament. He isn't just a presenter, he's arguably the best and funniest commentator, too.
GusHobbleton Aperture Science Companion Cube Dating Services	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Stavros I am not going to defend my self personally, because quite frankly I'm ******* great and have minions to do that kind of thing if needed. Just think on those figures though before you go on another epic, although flawed, diatribe... Spartan Industries is indeed a somewhat exclusive, highly skilled PVP corp and Stavros is a highly valued member of it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Homo Erectus Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:35:00 - [46] Originally by: GusHobbleton Spartan Industries is indeed a somewhat exclusive, highly skilled PVP corp and Stavros is a highly valued member of it. he's a nubbin in a nubbin corp :\|
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Homo Erectus Originally by: GusHobbleton Spartan Industries is indeed a somewhat exclusive, highly skilled PVP corp and Stavros is a highly valued member of it. he's a nubbin in a nubbin corp :\| OHGODIVEMISSEDYOUSOMUCHHOMO -- "DANCE DANCE"
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:52:00 - [48] Come on, it's only a game. [ducks and runs] ---- Anything less is wasted effort
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Ix Forres Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/01/2008 20:26:35 Originally by: Alaesa Stuff I've worked in sound, lighting and general work- including TV and film- for bloody ages, and in any situation there will be people more well versed in the topics at hand, but they're no bloody good on TV/film, and thus don't get on. The producer, director or casting director will choose the person who knows sort of what's going on but has done TV before (ie: not camera shy) or is known to the person as being a solid personality and someone who will give the show something as well as the content. I think perhaps if you wanted to nitpick, the term 'expert' is a misnomer. Just read 'expert' as 'commentator' or 'personality' and it all makes more sense. Of course there's always someone with better knowledge. But Stavros, Eddz, Verone- these people A) do know their stuff, you really can't deny it- not the best people, but they're bloody good nonetheless and B) are good on camera. You can't say that about many people who would be real 'experts'. Remember that EVETV is a TV show, not the final word in accuracy. It's as much about making a good show that's interesting to watch as it is about the content. Without one, the other is completely and utterly useless. That's probably a fairly accurate post. But the problem is that because EVETV is just that, a TV show...people tend to get gleamy eyed and assume that if a TV personality says something, then it must be true, even if completely wrong. Then we have the true experts, who are actually fighting rather than commentating correcting them and getting torn to shreds by the EVETV fanbase. I don't really think that's fair. Quote: I am willing to put money right now, that none of the blowhards on these forums even bothered to apply. Did you consider that there were valid, legit reasons for so many people not applying? Work? Health? Other RL issues? It goes back to my previous point. You don't need to be on EVETV to know what you're talking about.
Evil Edna Seal Cub Clubbing Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:16:00 - [50] id rather compete than talk about other people competing will be the same for alot of other people on the top teams or who have a good plan for this year
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:00:00 - [51] Originally by: QwaarJet Originally by: Ix Forres Edited by: Ix Forres on 16/01/2008 20:26:35 Originally by: Alaesa Stuff I've worked in sound, lighting and general work- including TV and film- for bloody ages, and in any situation there will be people more well versed in the topics at hand, but they're no bloody good on TV/film, and thus don't get on. The producer, director or casting director will choose the person who knows sort of what's going on but has done TV before (ie: not camera shy) or is known to the person as being a solid personality and someone who will give the show something as well as the content. I think perhaps if you wanted to nitpick, the term 'expert' is a misnomer. Just read 'expert' as 'commentator' or 'personality' and it all makes more sense. Of course there's always someone with better knowledge. But Stavros, Eddz, Verone- these people A) do know their stuff, you really can't deny it- not the best people, but they're bloody good nonetheless and B) are good on camera. You can't say that about many people who would be real 'experts'. Remember that EVETV is a TV show, not the final word in accuracy. It's as much about making a good show that's interesting to watch as it is about the content. Without one, the other is completely and utterly useless. That's probably a fairly accurate post. But the problem is that because EVETV is just that, a TV show...people tend to get gleamy eyed and assume that if a TV personality says something, then it must be true, even if completely wrong. Then we have the true experts, who are actually fighting rather than commentating correcting them and getting torn to shreds by the EVETV fanbase. I don't really think that's fair. Quote: I am willing to put money right now, that none of the blowhards on these forums even bothered to apply. Did you consider that there were valid, legit reasons for so many people not applying? Work? Health? Other RL issues? It goes back to my previous point. You don't need to be on EVETV to know what you're talking about. Yes I did consider this, but did you consider that eve has over 200k players atm? And we get 40 applicants and nearly as many whining gits on the forums. One of the quickest ways you can get percieved as a whiner and someone with a constanly negative opinion is to always bring problems to the table, but never solutions. Thats my point here, I fully appreciate not everyone can just drop stuff and head off to Iceland for two weeks and thats fine, but unless you are in a position to make a difference yourself and you come on here arguing about expert choice, you are walking a very very slim line. Its like... OH GOD I HATE EVE TV THE EXPERTS ARE ALL ***.... BUT I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT WHINE ON THE FORUMS... I'M AN E-HERO! Man up, shut your whine holes and apply yourselves next time, or at least encourage your friends to apply or something... YOUR ARGUEMENT ENDED HERE XXXXX Stavros -- "DANCE DANCE"*
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:02:00 - [52] Well said! You`re my e-hero EVE Video Hall of Fame
Evil Edna Seal Cub Clubbing Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:55:00 - [53] sorry stav thats really dumb i cant let it pass youre saying that people with jobs, school commitments, health issues or other things in their lives that prevent them from dropping everything and going to iceland for 2 or 3 weeks arnt allowed to have opinions on how evetv has done the tounament coverage? like i said, thats really dumb
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Evil Edna sorry stav thats really dumb i cant let it pass youre saying that people with jobs, school commitments, health issues or other things in their lives that prevent them from dropping everything and going to iceland for 2 or 3 weeks arnt allowed to have opinions on how evetv has done the tounament coverage? like i said, thats really dumb Didn't state anything of the sort me old chum, I'm essentially saying 2 things: Firstly I understand not everyone can come to the tournament, due to real life and etc. thats fine nothing against that, these people are entitled to their opinions thats all fine. Second, whining on the forums about how crap stuff is without providing solutions is pathetic and pointless and comes of as looking like little more than incredibly bitter personal attacks. If people have issues and they want stuff fixed, state the problem and state what they'd do about it, don't just say EVE TV IS CRAP AND EXPERTS SUCK AND LOL LOL. Apply yourself or get others you feel would do the job better to apply. I think both these points are fair and relatively obvious. MUCH LOVE STAVELLES -- "DANCE DANCE"
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:41:00 - [55] Let`s try this again - there is a difference between (1) constructive criticism usefull for improvement, (2) opinion and (3) whine. The first one is usefull and appreciated, the second is OK but generally less usefull for EVE TV, and the last one is unnecessary and annoying. Apply a category to the previous posts in this thread and you will see why most posts are not helping. EVE Video Hall of Fame
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:41:00 - [56] Quote: OH GOD I HATE EVE TV THE EXPERTS ARE ALL ****.... BUT I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT EXCEPT WHINE ON THE FORUMS... I'M AN E-HERO! I'm in a rather tiresome situation here. I simply cannot be on EVETV for personal reasons, and anyone I've asked in my alliance is not interested in applying. What you are saying is that because of this, I have no right to say the way I feel about this on the forums, because I'm in no position to do anything about it. I'm sorry, but I don't work that way. Bear in mind I'm not exactly whining either... I'm simply stating what I feel is wrong about the tournament coverage. Bear in mind also that I will often compliment the tournament coverage as well, as most of the people were pretty good last year, especially Spiral, Trev and Eddz as well. I don't even think there is even a solution to the problem. As several have already said, those that should be there are too busy actually fighting in the tournament. And that will never change. And someone like me, who has been in 3 previous tournaments and knows what he is talking about (thus wouldn't mind being on the other side) simply can't go. Believe me, I am also annoyed that there is nothing I can do about this. It would be great to be out there. One possible option is allowing people that are on the expert panel to also take part in the tournament.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:49:00 - [57] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 I'm not sure that never having been in the tournament is that much of a disadvantage. The likes of John Motson and Jonathan Pearce have never played professional football, but are still well-known football commentators in the UK. Even many of the ex-footballers used as pundits still talk authoritatively about the World Cup without ever having played in it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:19:00 - [58] Simple statement : Taking part in a live broadcast is difficult. Extremely difficult. The first time I tried it, I was scared half to death. I still underestimated just how much goes into it. I can't even imagine how much went into a Weekly show. Fact of the matter is that not being able to apply for "personal" reasons, or any other for that matter, means absolutely nothing and gives you no justification to openly hammer down and criticise those who ARE putting the effort in. Contrary to popular belief, "bu-hu, I can't go for this, or that..." doesn't give you a free shot to take a swipe at any of the cast or crew of Eve-TV, who frankly, work their arses off to bring the tournament to your desktops. Grow some and step up and try it, or sit down, shut the hell up and enjoy the broadcast. If you tune in and don't like it, no one's forcing you to watch it. End of, really. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Verone Simple statement : Taking part in a live broadcast is difficult. Extremely difficult. The first time I tried it, I was scared half to death. They made you wear makeup, huh? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:34:00 - [60] Originally by: Evanda Char Originally by: Verone Simple statement : Taking part in a live broadcast is difficult. Extremely difficult. The first time I tried it, I was scared half to death. They made you wear makeup, huh? noes, I R all naurals >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
NTRabbit Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:41:00 - [61] The inferior blowhards with all the criticisms and none of the help or answers just keep coming I see. Nice set of stats from Stavros, the Grief Master of Coldfront, and quite predictable really. I bet none of them are even in the completely illegible group of 30, let alone the considered 40. I would have made it 41 valid applications, but sadly I just cannot afford the flight to and from at this point in time. Personally, I feel that by adding my awesome to the existing awesome of the past 2 tournaments, the place and show would have just been too awesome, you know? ------
niroku Gallente Crimson Council	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 The likes of John Motson and Jonathan Pearce have never played professional football, but are still well-known football commentators in the UK. completely agree . i don't think it is at all necessary to know anything about eve, the tactics or the ships involved to be able to commentate on what is happening . it is however, very helpful . people are far too quick to criticise, especially when they don't have the experience which would ultimately silence them for then knowing better . like or dislike the hosts or people chosen as experts, they are there to do a job, and that isn't to sit there and oh 'er... um...' . these people can communicate and that is the most important thing . anyone else would crumble, most likely even myself . walk some in their shoes before you judge ?
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:32:00 - [63] Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:43 Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:24 Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 I'm not sure that never having been in the tournament is that much of a disadvantage. The likes of John Motson and Jonathan Pearce have never played professional football, but are still well-known football commentators in the UK. Even many of the ex-footballers used as pundits still talk authoritatively about the World Cup without ever having played in it. John Motson is a great commentator. But inevitably there are gaps in his knowledge. If you asked him how it was to go out at XX stadium or how much effort the teams put in......he wouldn't know. Regardless of how good a non-involved can be, one who has experienced it first hand will ALWAYS know better. Just as Verone keeps so angrily pointing out about the EVETV crew putting in so much effort that we don't realize (which I'm sure they do..that's not in doubt), people that have never been involved in the tournament don't know much effort the teams put into it and how much has to be sacrificed for all the members, and sometimes I feel that isn't aknowledged. And Verone, there was really no need for that post. I have no problem with EVETV, and I love the tourney broadcasts. No need to get all defensive about it. It gets old after a while. I appreciate all you lot do, truely. All I ever said is that I would want former tourney participants as experts, ideally.
Evil Edna Seal Cub Clubbing Club	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:39:00 - [64] Edited by: Evil Edna on 17/01/2008 19:39:58 aye ^^ verone read what i said in reply to stavros, as it applys to you as well just because you dont have commitments or issues that prevent you from taking two or three weeks out to go and do this, doesnt give you the right to rage at people with angry indignation over criticisms. i agree that just irrationally bashing something like this isnt productive, but neither is that attitude youre displaying in that post. theres a large element of truth in the idea that people who put themselves into the spotlight as it were, needing to be able to take criticisms on the chin, either to ignore them if theyre just trolling or mindless negativity, or take them on board if they make valid points. lashing out at people doesnt look good as a member of whats meant to be a fairly professional operation.
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.17 19:54:00 - [65] Originally by: QwaarJet Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:43 Edited by: QwaarJet on 17/01/2008 19:32:24 Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/01/2008 16:49:22 I appreciate all you lot do, truely. All I ever said is that I would want former tourney participants as experts, ideally. Cool, thanks for the feedback- next time just say stuff like this. It's far more helpful, and it saves a lot of problems if you know what I mean? This stuff makes me realise more and more how much guts and determination it takes for the Experts to do what they are doing. It is no surprise to me how difficult the process is- not just choosing people with experience that are well liked but people who can do the job itself, which opens the door for all this critisism. People who can't make it out to the tourney are no less qualified then those who can. People with less experience can sometimes have better opinions and can express them in a better way. The good thing that comes from this discussion is that the experts are going to be fueled by this to do the best they can, and put on a wonderful show- which is what this is all about correct? Something people enjoy. I think i'm going to give this argument a rest for a bit, because it's become reduntant and this thread won't create any positive change (which is what a forum should be.. right?... *right?.* ) It's a shame that someones valid concerns end up becoming a three-page ego based argument and it's more of a shame that something that is supposed to be a becon for the the eve community is sometimes also a beacon for negativity. SG Also, I would like to add that I have in fact put make-up on Verone. OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:07:00 - [66] You might want to check your quote brackets there Stevie Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:15:00 - [67] Fair post Stevie tbh. I'll drop it now, since we have our own preparations to concentrate on for a MM victory at this tourney. Good luck to the EVETV guys.
StevieSG	Posted - 2008.01.17 20:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Rodj Blake You might want to check your quote brackets there Stevie Hehehehe... All da fighting made me sloppy OMG ROFL KFC WTF http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 23:57:00 - [69] Originally by: Evil Edna verone read what i said in reply to stavros, as it applys to you as well just because you dont have commitments or issues that prevent you from taking two or three weeks out to go and do this, doesnt give you the right to rage at people with angry indignation over criticisms. I do have commitments, I make space in my time to be a part of Eve-TV if I'm invited to do so. What gives anyone the right to rage about how much someone sucks at hosting a TV show, when they know nothing about the sheer hours that go into it, over someone defending that person who's worked with him, and knows just how much of his time he puts into making Eve-TV what it is? Originally by: Evil Edna I agree that just irrationally bashing something like this isnt productive, but neither is that attitude youre displaying in that post. If someone comes here and irrationally bashes people I've worked with, the least they should expect me to do is defend them. Originally by: Evil Edna theres a large element of truth in the idea that people who put themselves into the spotlight as it were, needing to be able to take criticisms on the chin, either to ignore them if theyre just trolling or mindless negativity, or take them on board if they make valid points. If he was making valid points, I'm sure everyone would take them on board. All I've seen so far is him whining about spiral for no justifiable reason other than he thinks he sucks. Originally by: Evil Edna lashing out at people doesnt look good as a member of whats meant to be a fairly professional operation. I'm not a "member" of any form of organization. I don't get paid by MMM or CCP, I'm a volunteer. I've been given an awesome opportunity that I'm very greatful for and as such, I'll maintain as best of an image as I can when I'm put in front of a camera and do what's asked of me, helping out extra where I can. What I won't do is sit back and watch spiral take a kicking because some armchair warrior with no clue about the work that goes on to make Eve-TV what it is "doesn't like him". It doesn't float with me mate, especially when I've personally been sat in a studio at 10pm at night, helping him out with script writing for pre-records when everyone else is in the pub. You have no idea how much work goes into each episode. People who hammer any of the cast or crew of Eve-TV need to take a step back and see just how much actually goes into it, before talking crap about people. If you think you can do better, step up and do so. If not, criticise constructively and put forward some form of view, instead of laying into people for no reason. Alternatively, don't watch the show if you're not happy with it. It really is that simple. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.18 14:16:00 - [70] I quite like the guy tbh. People give him stick for not saying the right thing but honestly its quite a nerve racking experience really and most know what he means. So i for one enjoyed SJ, stevies's not bad neither. ..the only thing i disliked about Eve Tv was some of the panel, i bloody hated stravos and with the panel consisting of what was from what i saw 50% Cruel Intentions i could be wrong here, but they were the ones showing up for the interviews mostly, i felt it was completely based on whos friends with who rather than who represent who from each corner of eve. Id love to see Diablique get on there
shekat khlorblaster	Posted - 2008.01.18 22:36:00 - [71] Originally by: StevieSG Originally by: Trypho It`s a very cheap way of slander to criticize someone while not making a difference yourself. I had the pleasure of being a NewsClone (while it lasted), and SJ was a great guy to work with (or for ). Perhaps try contributing to the show yourself when if returns or bring up constructive criticism instead of pure bitterness like you do now. Maybe you will start appreciating the "volunteers"/heroes in service of the EVE-community a bit more then... o snap.. EvE tv made my night shift bearable ....bring back spiral and stevie sg ...and dont forget to throw angel in for the tourney 5...shes funny! more news would be good... i hope to see more of the day to day action from the eve news clones out there ...every fleet/gang needs to take a news clone out with them for recording the fights ... then all we need is for eve tv to have a place for us to down load the files and tell the story (dont forget to mention smacktalk in local , as this can be as hilarious as the fights sometimes )
4rc4ng3L Gallente Bi0Sh0ck	Posted - 2008.01.20 13:03:00 - [72] Just reading through this, its just a shooting barrel in my opinion. Broadcasting a show is not simply about knowledge of the subject on behalf of the hosts. As with all performance shows the hosts main focus should be in keeping the flow, keep the subject matter on track and doing all this with a friendly and appealing manner. I see lots of diggs about Spiral and his lack of knowledge regarding pvp. The thing most people are not taking into account before letting loose with they're opinion is that his skills and qualities as a presenter first and foremost are what has him in that position in the first place, and trust me when i say he manages that in ways far and above most other people could. So we move onto the Experts and Commentators. These people need to operate a very different structure on the show. In my opinion and experience, a commentator will stand out without question as an entertainer able to keep the audience informed in an interesting and informative way while providing his/her own individual qualities to make them stand out. We can see this with a select few of the commentators already. These people do not need to be experts on the subject matter but more so have a balanced mix between knowledge of the subject matter and equally as important, an ability to entertain. To me this makes criticizing a commentator a very difficult feet, if they have already mastered those two arts, and yes, entertaining IS an art... As for the experts, its hard to judge what position they should take up on a show as specific as this. Honestly, i see them as a tool operated by the host. They are there to provide the judging opinions on the matches, tactics and players, with the host being the ones to keep them on track and not let them spiral off(no pun intended). This may sound mechanical but in its best instances its a very good basic description. The community do have a valid right to expect the Experts to provide a level of knowledge far and above the average player, but i think its being compared far to much to a common sporting event, or tv show. Its that comparison, as far as i see it, thats the main wedge between what the community and the hosts. In most other tournament events in real life the Players are all connected to the main show, they're appearance, opinion and knowledge. With eve we have the problem of the players not being able to fill in that need. Therefore the Experts are left to pick up the flak for that and try to provide the missing component that the actual players would provide. Because of this they have to inject alot of humour and drop down from what would otherwise be a strict knowledge based position and act as a mix between a semi-host/expert/player. Without the nature of the show changing i see this always being the case, something that everyone needs to take into account. I see the hosts already having a grasp and understanding of this, then from there managing it as they can. While the select few vocal members of the forums may not yet understand. This show is individual and needs to operate in a different way, for its own unique reasons. If everyone just took it for what it is in its given situation there would be alot more 'love'! The main thing to remember is not to go after individual members of the show directly regardless of your opinion toward them, they are doing a job and providing a service..... for you! ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... -
Stella Sinn The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.20 14:02:00 - [73] Are we forgetting that SJ/Xylinia stole 'EVETV Concept' off Urban Mongrel(spelling?).. :) ---- Durka Durka!
Jinx Denton Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.20 17:36:00 - [74] I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... Fanfest guide
Stavros Amarr Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:37:00 - [75] Originally by: Jinx Denton I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... QFT BYTHEWAYTYPINGWITHOUTSPACESISTHENEWCAPSLOCK -- OH GOD ENTITY KILLED MA SIGNATURES
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Jinx Denton I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... He needs the Rapmaster 2000 as used by Homer Simpson, TBH. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:09:00 - [77] Originally by: Stavros Originally by: Jinx Denton I'm just a bit sad Stavros couldn't use a megaphone in the studio to simulate his capslock consistency... QFT BYTHEWAYTYPINGWITHOUTSPACESISTHENEWCAPSLOCK WhenIWereALadWeDidItThisWay. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Silencioso Muerte 1st Fleet MERC Division	Posted - 2008.01.22 16:45:00 - [78] eve isnt supposed to be a lesson or an info beacon in game form, 99.9% of the palyer are here to have a laugh, and thats what spiral does best. So quit your *****in' SJ is a legend, and without him, evetv would suckass ----------------------
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:04:00 - [79] Originally by: Silencioso Muerte eve isnt supposed to be a lesson or an info beacon in game form, 99.9% of the palyer are here to have a laugh, and thats what spiral does best. So quit your *****in' SJ is a legend, and without him, evetv would suckass This. The experts we all got to know we do know for giving a hell of a good show, and as such they founded the history of eve tournaments as we know them. Granted, one is ginger and on at least one occasion did a respectable charly brown impression, but thats what I'm out to see.
niroku Gallente Crimson Council	Posted - 2008.01.25 05:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Stella Sinn Are we forgetting that SJ/Xylinia stole 'EVETV Concept' off Urban Mongrel(spelling?).. :) sure about that ?

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