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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:20:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:Tobias Sjodin wrote:Dear OP,
Thank you for your letter.
I am afraid there are bad news for you, changing the game won't stop you from being terrible.
Just stop sucking.
/T Dear OP, It is my pleasure and honor to let you know that there is an excellent counter to 50-100 Titans. Same number of Titans or decent amount of bombers. Enough that supercap nerf crap. They are called supers not for Rifter to come and shoot at them but because they are superships. Nerf yourself OP. Or learn to fly a Titan in combat instead of sitting at gate pewing 100 at 1 as usual in Lowsec and OMG run run run at sight of a few bombers. +10 to Tobias.
Welcome to titans online... |

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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:28:00 -
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Clith wrote:Those tracking titans are trading any decent tank they can get in order to make them hit smaller ships, making them a giant glass cannon. Nothing needs changing
A glass cannon with more EHP and RR support than most fleets... |

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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:42:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:They cost nearly 100billion isk, the least they can do is insta pop your ****** dominix.
My pirate BS should be able to insta pop any frigate with its main guns because it costs so much more. |

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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:53:00 -
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LtCol Laurentius wrote:Yes Lets make sure that Capitals cant hit battleship sized targets. And while we're at it, lets make sure that battleships cant hit cruisersized targets, and cruisers cant hit frigatesized targets. Seems only fair. In 6 months, all of EVE would be back in frigs. Ah, the good 'ol days. 
Battleship is to a titan what a frigate is to a battleship. Try to fit frigates with BS turrets. |

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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:52:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote: when my mate has them pinned down or if they're so far out that their angular velocity doesn't matter... yea, I can hit them, pal.
Newsflash bud.
Drakes are getting swatted out of the sky at close range. Once 50 titans hit the field you cant do squat because you die so fast. 0.0 is now a game of who has the most titans and right now there is only one winner every time. |

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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:22:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:baltec1 wrote:Surge Roth wrote: when my mate has them pinned down or if they're so far out that their angular velocity doesn't matter... yea, I can hit them, pal.
Newsflash bud. Drakes are getting swatted out of the sky at close range. Once 50 titans hit the field you cant do squat because you die so fast. 0.0 is now a game of who has the most titans and right now there is only one winner every time. I've got a news flash for you too. When you blow up your sig radius with over sized shield extenders, it makes you an easier target to hit. I bet some of them where using microwarps too, to 'go really fast' not realizing that their sig radius is the size of a freighter. Also, I'm willing to bet them drakes where also pinned down by support fleet.
So the options are, brick tank armour fleet that cant move and get ripped apart by titans or faster sheild fleets that get ripped apart by titans.
When the only counter to a ship is more of the same ship things need to change as they have done in the past. |

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Posted - 2012.02.11 01:02:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:
Tough ****. A fleet that has years worth of effort behind it should kill your crappy sentimental battle cruisers. this is eve. Not world of warcraft where everything is the same with a different shade of brown and yellow.
Because the fleets involving hundreds of people that have worked together over years havent put in just as much if not more effort. What you are defending is exactly like wow gameplay where the level 85 (titans) wipe out the level 70s ( subcaps, carriers/dreads) in a handfull of vollies. |

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Posted - 2012.02.11 01:38:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:
The circumstantial evidence says different. When an alliance pummels another with ships that take vastly more materials to build, time, and isk... I'm gonna side with the big guys as the people putting in more effort.
So why are you siding with titans which do not require even a fraction of the logistical resources a large subcap fleet needs?
Quote: Btw, WoW game play is to homogenize everything so no one feels they're at a disadvantage when pvping. In a game that's about war and money there's gonna be things that are the best. It only makes sense. And despite all the whining going on the forums I still see these ships as meh. Oh, they can insta pop a ****** tanked battleship. Boo hoo, go get a Kleenex and wipe those tears so no one can see them.
So you feel a hanfull of people should utterly wipe out the vast bulk of people with a single ship that invalidates everything else? Tactics, fleet comp, FC skill, logistics and fleet discipline mean nothing. In essence, exactly the opposide to what you want is happening. It is currently impossible for a new alliance to make any gains in 0.0 because they just have titans dumped on them all the time which they cannot counter. |

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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:01:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:
Nothing is stopping those people from applying to those alliances and join the winning side. They got that way because they put in the time and effort into it. Those start up alliances haven't done anything outside of leaving carebear land.
What wouldn't be fair is if small fish were able to take out bigger fish. Obviously, they'd lose. All that they have ever done would never prepare them for what the group with the titans have accomplished to get there. Again, when claiming space seems impossible to claim on your own, maybe it's time to suck it up and join one of the bigger groups. Preferably the one that seems like it'll be around for a while.
No they got that way because they own an I win button. Skill should always trump cash. There is a damn good reason why my corp managed to live in venal and hold off the NC at the hight of its power for years and cause some of the largest fleet losses ever seen in the game to that point. Small fish have always been able to take on the large and win in this game. Right now however even the large fish cant take on the titan blob.
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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:24:00 -
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Soon Shin wrote:
Stop whining about the supercapitals and shoot the subcapital fleet that's supporting them. Then those supers are just sitting ducks since they can't hit you.
Because nobody has been trying this...
While you are trying to bring down the sub caps the titans are picking off ships at such a rate that you just get wiped out as your firepower gets ever lower. The only defence against titans are to hide behind cyno jammed systems which is just going to result in the same stagnation we suffered for a year and a half after supers were first buffed to stupid levels. |

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Posted - 2012.02.11 21:02:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:lilol' me wrote:Ok PL guy, put your money where your mouth is. Stop using Titan blobs and lets see how you become one of those losers shall we They'd still win and then you losers would whine about what they did to get it nerfed.
Like how thier tengu fleet got wiped out in under 20 min last night?
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:44:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:baltec1 wrote:Surge Roth wrote:lilol' me wrote:Ok PL guy, put your money where your mouth is. Stop using Titan blobs and lets see how you become one of those losers shall we They'd still win and then you losers would whine about what they did to get it nerfed. Like how thier fleet got wiped out in under 20 min last night? It's like in those movies when the main character is a child who is constantly getting bullied and in the end of the movie the kid finally wins a fight against the bully and the credits roll. Know what happens in a real world situation? The bully comes back with his friends and beats the little squirt so bad he ends up dying at the hospital. One victory is nothing.
Your right. Unfortunatly for you we keep on blowing up these subcap fleets. Once we get the cyno jammers up in our new branch of 0.0 these massive fights will end because these people never fight without their titans on call because they know full well they need their god mode to win. |

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Posted - 2012.02.12 01:06:00 -
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Orcirk wrote: The problem is this: Dreads are already fairly useless against subcaps, carriers are at best meh, and SCs are also pretty damn useless. If titans were made to ALSO be useless against subcaps, then there's not much of a reason to actually field capital ships, ever. IMO what should happen is titans getting a good tracking nerf, while removing the tracking penalty from siege mods. Suddenly dreads become a viable counter to BCs/BSs, while still being unable to hit HACs, and titans get nerfed without being made useless.
There NEEDS to be some reason to field capitals against subcaps, because otherwise there's not reason to field caps at all. Shooting structures? Subcap fleets can do that no problem, and it's not something that happens often enough to justify making the entire upper tier of ships (and the only ones that can't be used in highsec) useless for everything else.
Triage carriers to support the subcaps, dreads to take out other capitals, supers to hit dreads, titans to counter the supers. |
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