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Joana Darklight
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:35:00 -
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A corp mate was mining and someone in a starter corp came up and took his ore and transfered it to his own can, hoping he would be attacked.
Anyways the guy that took the ore after deciding he wouldnt be attacked just shot the can destroying the ore.
To me this seems like greifing and I would like to know how this is combated
A: cant war dec
B: cant fight back cause if you came back in a fight capable ship the guy would run.
C: cant call corp mates cause steal flagging isnt corp wide WICH IT SHOUDL BE!!.
SO this is nothing more than greifing and I dont know what shoudl be done about it and dont say "dont jet can mine" cause this applies to droped loot and missions Ive had people do the same thing in a mission to me and I cant do anything cause im already taking agro from 20+ BS's engaging another player in a mission setup is a bad idea.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:36:00 -
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I think it is griefing because there is no profit.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:38:00 -
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a. deal with it
b. Sucks to be you
c. yes, he is flagged to your whole corp unless you also in a noob corp
Solution: don't mine in a jetcan, or else, deal with it
 Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent. 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight
C: cant call corp mates cause steal flagging isnt corp wide WICH IT SHOUDL BE
Hmm. Weird. It SHOULD be indeed. Are you 100% sure it isn't ?
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:39:00 -
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hit F12 if the gm's say it isnt greifing then it isnt griefing
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sanctimoniousness
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:40:00 -
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The world can be a cruel place when you're a low SP player. I suggest you train for a Rapier immediatly. Since that is the only counter to broken mechanics.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:40:00 -
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It's not griefing. Jettison can mining was never an intended feature to begin with, and using it, and the advantages you gain from it, means that you have to accept the risks that come with it, including having people steal or destroy your ore.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:41:00 -
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Asestorian, it is not griefing? Then what is griefing supposed to be?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:42:00 -
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I might call it griefing, but it's well within the rules of the game. The best solution is to go mine in lowsec. ^_^
-Liang
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Originally by: "QProQ"
When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:43:00 -
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Liang but that means she would lose her ship ...
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 14/01/2008 21:44:20
It's basically griefing; the ore thief is throwing a widdle temper-tantwum because someone wouldn't take his lame bait, BAWWWWWWWWWWW. I'm a bored piwwate, so I'm going to get in my Velator and fwip cans in highsec... oh, he didn't take the bait, BAWWWWWWWWW.
(Of course, every pirate who is lame enough to love can-flipping is going to quote me on this and offer a dissertation on why can-flipping is not lame and is, in fact, quite awesome.)
Also, stealing in and of itself may not flag the thief for the entire corp, but if you shoot him, the thief is instantly flagged if he chooses to shoot you back. Therefore, keep attack drones in your Covetor or Hulk or whatever, and have your corp mates prepared to jump in. Hit him with your drones (or even just one crappy drone), recall the drone, and watch the fun.
'Course the guy may come back in a Raven or whatever, but them's the brakes.
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Arvald
Caldari
Devilish Intentinos
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:44:00 -
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to quote tarminic "in a game where piracy, stealing, backstabbing and killing are commonplace can you really call what just happened to you greifing?" more or less 
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Care to explain this jargon for those of us who have to call tech support to plug in a toaster?
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Joana Darklight
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:44:00 -
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Ive tried to engage someone who has stolen from a corp mate only secons after and if something isnt stolen while in gang with my corp mate I get a warning and cant shoot, and im not in a noob corp.
if its just stealing and the person wants the ore thats fair but just taking and blowing it up hoping for a fight is greifing.
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sanctimoniousness
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
It's basically griefing; rhe ore thief is throwing a widdle temper-tantwum because someone wouldn't take his lame bait, BAWWWWWWWWWWW. I'm a bored piwwate, so I'm going to get in my Velator and fwip cans in highsec... oh, he didn't take the bait, BAWWWWWWWWW.
Also, stealing in and of itself may not flag the thief for the entire corp, but if you shoot him, the thief is instantly flagged if he chooses to shoot you back. Therefore, keep attack drones in your Covetor or Hulk or whatever, and have your corp mates prepared to jump in. Hit him with your drones (or even just one crappy drone), recall the drone, and watch the fun.
'Course the guy may come back in a Raven or whatever, but them's the brakes.
Your bitterness is almost as bad as your spelling.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Asestorian, it is not griefing? Then what is griefing supposed to be?
Well, it depends if you're referring to griefing as an offence in that it breaks the EULA (this is the way I was referring to it) or just that it's annoying and causes grief.
Yes, it does cause grief, but it's also a completely valid form of gameplay. If it's lame or not really doesn't come into it, whether the ebil wikkle piwate is "baww"ing or not.
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wierchas noobhunter
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
to quote tarminic "in a game where piracy, stealing, backstabbing and killing are commonplace can you really call what just happened to you greifing?" more or less
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Turin
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Asestorian, it is not griefing? Then what is griefing supposed to be?
Theoretically, in EVE, there is no such thing as griefing, unless you are using a exploited game mechanic to hamper someone in some way.
Personally, I wish they would reconsider that, but there it is. The people who harass noob jet can miners are just jerks. They likely have no real life self esteem, and need to **** of other people in order to feel good about themself.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:49:00 -
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Arrrrggh, my head hurts. Please define griefing as a yes or no answer, and not fuzzy. Because as it is now, you are telling me that there is no griefing in Eve?
I mean I am allowed to do anythhing like being some kind of total ******** and I am allowed to get away with it, in Eve?
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Arvald
Caldari
Devilish Intentinos
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 14/01/2008 21:50:59
no its not greifing it is cleaning up spacetrash ^_^
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Care to explain this jargon for those of us who have to call tech support to plug in a toaster?
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: sanctimoniousness
Your bitterness is almost as bad as your spelling.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume you ignored the fact that I changed my spelling intentionally to facilitate your hidey-alt's snide comment. 
Also, I'm not particularly bitter about can-flippers, I just think it's an incredibly lame activity. Almost anything else would be less of a waste of time. 
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Turin
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Arrrrggh, my head hurts. Please define griefing as a yes or no answer, and not fuzzy. Because as it is now, you are telling me that there is no griefing in Eve?
I mean I am allowed to do anythhing like being some kind of total ******** and I am allowed to get away with it, in Eve?
As long as your not using a deemed exploit... then yes. This is correct.
Jenny, come on, your an old school character. You know these things.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:53:00 -
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Turin... this is jenny's 3rd owner 
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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Zephyr Rengate
Racketeers
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Zephyr Rengate on 14/01/2008 21:56:04
Here at RAK we excel at griefing I support anyone using the tactic
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:57:00 -
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Wow Turin. Thank you for the explanation. This game rocks.
I am going to love this game so much that maybe I might be the most hatred pirate killer in Eve. Being a total **** towards pirates, that'll be ******** awesome.
Cool one, Turin. Eve rocks. 
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RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:02:00 -
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If only can flipping gave a 5 days long killright to the miner, there wouldn't be any problem with it, and maybe a bit more of real pvp in high sec.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: RigelKentaurus
If only can flipping gave a 5 days long killright to the miner, there wouldn't be any problem with it, and maybe a bit more of real pvp in high sec.
Why kill someone who's just cleaning the belts of trash thrown out? 
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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Zephyr Rengate
Racketeers
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: RigelKentaurus
If only can flipping gave a 5 days long killright to the miner, there wouldn't be any problem with it, and maybe a bit more of real pvp in high sec.
Why kill someone who's just cleaning the belts of trash thrown out?
Yer, its not as if the miner likes the ore that much since he chucks it out.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Arrrrggh, my head hurts. Please define griefing as a yes or no answer, and not fuzzy. Because as it is now, you are telling me that there is no griefing in Eve?
PRECISELY.
Technically, there is no griefing in EVE, barring exploits of game mechanics.
Practically, the ONLY way to grief somebody by NOT exploiting game mechanics is by exploiting THOSE people's LACK OF KNOWLEDGE in game mechanics.
Since everybody is assumed to have to learn from its own mistakes, and making mistakes are therefore desirable even from the onset of a character's life, the timespan where people are ASSUMED to HAVE to be protected from "griefing-like tactics" is only for a short time during their character's life.
As such, the one and only "punishable" (true) griefing in EVE is baiting n00bs in newbie starter systems, since there's (almost) no way for them to have anything of value on them, and they aren't quite "EVE ready".
Everything else ?
NOT GRIEFING !
Short of that small exception, there is no griefing in EVE.
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Wow Turin. Thank you for the explanation. This game rocks.
I am going to love this game so much that maybe I might be the most hatred pirate killer in Eve. Being a total **** towards pirates, that'll be ******** awesome.
Cool one, Turin. Eve rocks.
I heard placing a can named free loot in front of a newbie station and popping anyone that grabs the stuff is a pretty cool way to start as being the most hated.
Random fact of the day: If you quote Jenny's post here her asteriks really are asteriks.
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Stupidity is universal.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:36:00 -
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and the most recently banned
Originally by: Tarminic
Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
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