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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:42:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Joana Darklight
Ive tried to engage someone who has stolen from a corp mate only secons after and if something isnt stolen while in gang with my corp mate I get a warning and cant shoot, and im not in a noob corp.
if its just stealing and the person wants the ore thats fair but just taking and blowing it up hoping for a fight is griefing.
Not really: Griefing is specifically: harassing a player for no reasonable in-game purpose with the intent to drive him to quit. Trying to provoke a fight is a perfectly reasonable purpose. If he does the same thing to you specifically for a week, then you can consider a harassment petition. If he's just trying to get you mad enough to fight, then it seems like he's doing a very good job.
Your options are:
(1) Write off the occasional can of ore
(2) Defend your ore (any number of clever tactics can be employed here)
(3) Make a deal with the "griefer"
(4) Move to another system
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Battleclash
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
and the most recently banned 
I don't know what your talking about *cough cough*
Remember there is no such thing as griefing *cough*
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Stupidity is universal.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:51:00 -
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I have just learnt a new trick today.
If I see a pirate smart-bombing in high sec, could I cloak and go next to the person and get bombed so Concord will spawn on them and I can take stuffs away? This is not griefing right?
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Xavier Iblis
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:53:00 -
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Considering you'll be uncloaked long before you get in Smartbomb range in most circumstances, nope. Not griefing.
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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:54:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I have just learnt a new trick today.
If I see a pirate smart-bombing in high sec, could I cloak and go next to the person and get bombed so Concord will spawn on them and I can take stuffs away? This is not griefing right?
Nope. Clever tactics.
And exactly why most people don't use smartbombs in hi-sec. (Certain reprobates would warp in with covops and sneak up to mission runners, take a smartbomb hit on purpose, and then swipe the loot after Concordokken.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I have just learnt a new trick today.
If I see a pirate smart-bombing in high sec, could I cloak and go next to the person and get bombed so Concord will spawn on them and I can take stuffs away? This is not griefing right?
I wouldn't call it griefing. There's a warning that pops up when you use smartbombs in highsec IIRC.
-Liang
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Originally by: "QProQ"
When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I have just learnt a new trick today.
If I see a pirate smart-bombing in high sec, could I cloak and go next to the person and get bombed so Concord will spawn on them and I can take stuffs away? This is not griefing right?
You craaaack me up 
Pirate in highsec, smartbombing, without CONCORD already coming after him ?
Well, just say "player using smartbombs in highsec space", and that's it.
Yes, you can do that.
Just get close enough so he accidentally clips you, gets CONCORDed, and you grab his loot.
Perfectly legitimate way of doing it 
Heck, if he's doing that while in a mission, even funnier.
That's why they say "don't use smartbombs in highsec".
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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:57:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I have just learnt a new trick today.
If I see a pirate smart-bombing in high sec, could I cloak and go next to the person and get bombed so Concord will spawn on them and I can take stuffs away? This is not griefing right?
BTW, one thing you need to get your head around is that in EvE it is not forbidden to do things because someone else doesn't like them. Scamming, ganking, spying, trickery, treachery, theft and just plain old lying are all perfectly "game legal". Players can and will do these things all the time.
Some don't of course, and therefore trust in EvE is an extremely rare (and valuable) commodity.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:00:00 -
[39]
How about this tactic that I learnt from PVP skool? Jump at gate then I see many not friendly pirates and I yank my modem out from the socket. Is that griefing or still acceptable?
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:02:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
How about this tactic that I learnt from PVP skool? Jump at gate then I see many not friendly pirates and I yank my modem out from the socket. Is that griefing or still acceptable?
No, that's just ******** (stop trolling ffs).
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:03:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Akita T
there is no griefing in EVE.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:05:00 -
[42]
Huh, Asestorian? I am just asking. It is quite hard to know what you can do and can't do in this game without ******* people out. As far as I can see it, there is no griefing but I want to clarify.
I don't mind being the most hatred pirate killer in Eve but I don't want to be a total ******* because nobody agrees with my tactics.
I want to be unfriendly but in a nice way. 
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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:05:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
How about this tactic that I learnt from PVP skool? Jump at gate then I see many not friendly pirates and I yank my modem out from the socket. Is that griefing or still acceptable?
It's not griefing, it's just about as lame as taking your ball home because the other team scored a goal. I dunno, be a quitter if you like. Which PvP school taught you that? Not Agony, I hope.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:09:00 -
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Oh I can't tell but it is a last hope PVP skool and it is not Agony. I did go to Agony too. Anyway, I learnt some tactics when I just had Jenny but I went to the skool with my newb character. They had good lessons thought. It is all about survival and winning. It is all about winner gets the prize and losers go back and sulk about it.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:09:00 -
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Jenny that was the most obvious troll I've seen for ages. If you want to be that pathetic you can just quit the game normally and achieve the same effect.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:11:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/01/2008 23:13:02
But it is allowed isn't it Asestorian?
I mean when it is 1v10, what can you do? Running back to gate would probably have you killed.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:14:00 -
[47]
Ahh jenny keeps going...
Playing the game is not griefing. There is no abuse of any mechanic here, just a newbie whining about not being able to fight back against a more powerful opponent.
Join a real corporation if you can't handle it alone. Make some friends. Stop whining.
You carebears make the rest of us carebears look bad.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:16:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Battleclash
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Wow Turin. Thank you for the explanation. This game rocks.
I am going to love this game so much that maybe I might be the most hatred pirate killer in Eve. Being a total **** towards pirates, that'll be ******** awesome.
Cool one, Turin. Eve rocks. 
I heard placing a can named free loot in front of a newbie station and popping anyone that grabs the stuff is a pretty cool way to start as being the most hated.
Random fact of the day: If you quote Jenny's post here her asteriks really are asteriks.
Yeh! i noticed that aswell. lol
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Grytok
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:17:00 -
[49]
THERE IS NO GRIEFING IN EVE.
All things you can do within gamemechanics, without using an announced exploit are absolutely OK to do.
So if I flip your can and destroy it afterwards, thats lame, but no griefing.
CCP has allways said so, as it was never ment to use JetCans for mining. So if you use JetCans for mining, it's your own fault, when it gets stolen, flipped, destroyed whatever.
Go along with it.
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Techn0Viking
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:19:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/01/2008 23:13:02
But it is allowed isn't it Asestorian?
I mean when it is 1v10, what can you do? Running back to gate would probably have you killed.
You know what also isn't allowed? Character transfers or sales outside of the CCP-sanctioned methods listed in the Character and Timecode Bazaar, and sharing or giving away characters to anyone else, as explained in Section 2(A) of the Eula.
Since I'm pretty much 100% sure you're not the original owner of the Jenny Spitfire character, I'll be petitioning you for 'acquiring a character' by illegal means, quoting the numerous posts you've made referencing you recently obtaining the Jenny Spitfire character.
I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted, as you'll probably find yourself unable to use it sometime in the near future.
P.S. - reporting you for buying characters is not griefing either. Write that one down for future reference, n00bcakes. |
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:22:00 -
[51]
You are so mean. 
I do own my character legally. 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:25:00 -
[52]
Translation:
a) it's the "original" Jenny, but she's been succesfully trolling the forums for a good deal of time PRETENDING she's a n00bcake
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b) all character transfers were done via the 20$ fee
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:29:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Malcanis
Not Agony, I hope.
I can confirm Agony pvp classes do not teach any such things.
(And Jenny is a troll. Stop feeding her.)
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Renata Uldseth
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:33:00 -
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I tried petitioning another player for "can baiting" in a starter system, Ammold. This is stated at http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336 as griefing. Quote:
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
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I was told it was part of normal game play. So go figure, CCP won't even enforce what THEY say is griefing.
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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:34:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Oh I can't tell but it is a last hope PVP skool and it is not Agony. I did go to Agony too. Anyway, I learnt some tactics when I just had Jenny but I went to the skool with my newb character. They had good lessons thought. It is all about survival and winning. It is all about winner gets the prize and losers go back and sulk about it.
Well aren't you just the cutest thing!
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:35:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Malcanis
Not Agony, I hope.
I can confirm Agony pvp classes do not teach any such things.
(And Jenny is a troll. Stop feeding her.)
You don't "get" English humour, do you?
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.15 01:26:00 -
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Yeah, it's funny how everyone jumps on the bandwagon with: "EVE IS HARDCORE. ANYTHING NOT EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY CCP IS ALLOWED, EVEN IF IT SEEMS LAME AND CHEAP AS F***. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS GRIEFING; BUMPING WITH AN ALT, GANKING PEOPLE WITH YOUR FOUR ACCOUNTS AND CYNO ALT ON YOUR FIVE CPUs, LYING, STEALING, IT's ALL GOOD."
Five seconds later:
"OMG LOGOFFSKI?! LOOK F*** YOU, THAT'S JUST CHEAP AND LAME. JUST QUIT NAO PL0X."
Double-standards, can I has them?
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:17:00 -
[58]
Once, a guy in a starter corp flipped my jetcan. Before he could warp, I blew him away with Hobgoblin II's and went about my business.
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Ikthorn Balhar
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Translation:
a) it's the "original" Jenny, but she's been succesfully trolling the forums for a good deal of time PRETENDING she's a n00bcake
Very doubtful, as I was in a corp with the original Jenny, and their 'styles' of posting and talking are different enough that pretty much negate the possibility of this being the case;
Originally by: Akita T
or
b) all character transfers were done via the 20$ fee
Which is also doubtful, as this incarnation of Jenny mentioned it obtained the character late last year, which means the character transfer or sale would require a post in the forums, as per these rules. I haven't found any post mentioning the sale or transfer of the Jenny Spitfire character, so if it did occur, it broke the EULA.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
(2) Defend your ore (any number of clever tactics can be employed here)
This
Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Once, a guy in a starter corp flipped my jetcan. Before he could warp, I blew him away with Hobgoblin II's and went about my business.
And this,
Ore thieves are such good fun and 98% of the whine like girls when you turn the tables and all you need to say is "you wanted to pvp all I did was give you what you wanted why are angry?"
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