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Docteur Xentav Minmatar Varietas Acquisition	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:10:00 - [61] Its not griefing Jenny IS trolling
Belce Caldari ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:39:00 - [62] High sec ore thieves are basically cowards, if they really wanted to PvP they wouldn't be in high sec flippin cans for a livin. Truth is Truth
Inchantra Lei	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:23:00 - [63] fleet with corp members. Have a hauler present. Have a cpl people loaded with nothing but weapons. Have your best miner(s) doing the mining. Can flippers will go look for easier prey. Baring that, fight back or roll over and let it slide. Hint: Drones (HobbGobbs ftw!)
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.15 06:27:00 - [64] If you have a second account or a bored corp mate then have a hauler sit next to the jet can and scoop it as its mined. Boring yes but then again this is mining. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Maximada Minmatar eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:15:00 - [65] not griefing
Inertial Blood Reavers	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:50:00 - [66] Edited by: Inertial on 15/01/2008 07:51:54 Can flipping is actually fun. Because it is actually possible to find targets, unlike in low-sec (targets a 6 day old character is able to kill that is). Personally I flip the cans, see if I get lucky, if not I call in a hauler who hauls the stuff into station, where a miner alt refines it and sells it. This is my prefered way of mining. If there is no hauler, I think shooting the can is a good way to provoke a fight instead. The best thing is that if you are can flipping a corporation mining op, they are likely to call their big guns in. In my incursus I have had: A megathron, two brutixes, drake, thorax, vexor, a destroyer and a incursus jump in on me. Besides that, for a new pirate character can flipping is sadly the only way to get a somewhat stable profit, before you are able to get really into low-sec and null-sec. EDIT: If someone is willing to donate 25 million to each of the three members of the Blood Reavers, we won't can flip again :P. Send me a eve-mail, and I will provide you with the details.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:03:00 - [67] When someone steals the ore, they own it and are flagged. However, if they steal it, eject it it, destroy the can and dock really fast - that would be denying the victim the game mechanics that allow him to strike back. It would be as terrible as a corp who gets war dec'd and joins an alliance and then leaves the alliance. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
DroneBay Diva Rubra Libertas Militia Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:14:00 - [68] Originally by: Akita T there is no griefing in EVE. Wroooong!! Eve IS griefing _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nanofag
Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.15 08:34:00 - [69] Can Flipping as I see it and most everyone else here, providing it is not done at the newbie stations with titles such as Free Stuff, is perfectly allowed game mechanic. I've had plenty of cans flipped because I didn't have a hauler ready when the ore was. I check and see what the can flipper is flying, go back park the barge and get something more suitable for PvP. I'll warp in and if the flipper is still there i'll engage in PvP. whoever comes out on top obiviously will get to choice what to do with the ore. If I lose i'll write it off, and talk to the person in local and tell em good fight or that was fun, or any variant there of. Now if the can flipper were to flip it and than shot it and warp away. This takes time to do. Precious time that you could be locking him down and scramming him if you were smart enough to bring someone fitted for pvp to protect your mining operation. There are ways to counter it. a) IF you must jet can mine, keep a hauler near by to pick it up and leave 1 unit of ore a BM or something of little to no value in the can. If a flipper comes along, write off whatever is the in the can and go back out and continue to mine with the hauler sitting on top of can to take it. b) IF you must jet can mine, bring a RL friend along who you can bribe with booze to sit in a belt and stare at your fat barge and wait for someone to come along. Or pay someone a good chunck of your profits to sit there and stare at you. c) get into a barge fill the hold, warp to station, unload, go back mine till hold is full, rinse and repeat. <-- look no way for them to take your ore that you mined GASP. There are ways to stop and deter them. You just have to take the initiative to try and stop them. I'm a carebear and I approve this message. So go ahead and flip my cans I'm bored to tears staring at those rocks anyways ------ Compiled List of Shops, Manufacturers, and Services
Inertial Blood Reavers	Posted - 2008.01.15 09:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Miniturret I'm a carebear and I approve this message. So go ahead and flip my cans I'm bored to tears staring at those rocks anyways Which system do you normally mine in, provide which belt as well please

Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.15 09:58:00 - [71] Edited by: Miniturret on 15/01/2008 09:59:17 depends on the night and which area has the least amount of miners (IE i do hunt for the better roids in high sec) which means i don't have any one "sweet spot" but keep your eye on domain region -=edit=- OR if you happen to see me online feel free to mail me and I'll tell you where I am that particular night so you can come play. ------ Compiled List of Shops, Manufacturers, and Services
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:16:00 - [72] You dont jetcan mine in a hulk. You dont mine without a hulk.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Miniturret Edited by: Miniturret on 15/01/2008 09:59:17 depends on the night and which area has the least amount of miners (IE i do hunt for the better roids in high sec) which means i don't have any one "sweet spot" but keep your eye on domain region -=edit=- OR if you happen to see me online feel free to mail me and I'll tell you where I am that particular night so you can come play. I'll be can flippin' your way then, at some point :)
Morticia Sable	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:02:00 - [74] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Wow Turin. Thank you for the explanation. This game rocks. I am going to love this game so much that maybe I might be the most hatred pirate killer in Eve. Being a total ** towards pirates, that'll be ****** awesome. Cool one, Turin. Eve rocks. Is this the 3rd Jenny owner or the 4th by now? If the origional could hear you now she would die of embarrasment. For your information, the Jenny us old-timers know and love was a Bloodthirsty killing machine. Oh and good luck convincing any older anti-pirates that your intentions are honourable. They are sure to remeber your reputation.
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:11:00 - [75] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Yeah, it's funny how everyone jumps on the bandwagon with: "EVE IS HARDCORE. ANYTHING NOT EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY CCP IS ALLOWED, EVEN IF IT SEEMS LAME AND CHEAP AS F*. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS GRIEFING; BUMPING WITH AN ALT, GANKING PEOPLE WITH YOUR FOUR ACCOUNTS AND CYNO ALT ON YOUR FIVE CPUs, LYING, STEALING, IT's ALL GOOD." Five seconds later: "OMG LOGOFFSKI?! LOOK F* YOU, THAT'S JUST CHEAP AND LAME. JUST QUIT NAO PL0X." Double-standards, can I has them? You might be better off asking for some logic. You're comparing in-game methods with quitting the game because you're losing. If you can't see the difference then I suppose EvE will continue to make you angry, and you'll continue to be a quitter. Enjoy, I suppose. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Belce High sec ore thieves are basically cowards, if they really wanted to PvP they wouldn't be in high sec flippin cans for a livin. Cowards? Who's the coward - the one who goes looking for PvP or the one who refuses to even try to fight? Mining barges drop pretty good loot - even now, T2 strips are quite valuable, so there's a legitimate reason to want to attack them. Or are you talking about equivalent forces? Have Intrepid changed their PvP policy to only bring forth equivalent fleets? No more carriers being dropped on cruiser gangs? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:24:00 - [77] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 15/01/2008 11:24:42 Baiting Hulks is actually very profitable, they either pay nice ransoms (Hulk + T2 stips + T2 expanders + cargo rigs = 130 mil ransom) or they drop nice loot. And sometimes you are just REALLY lucky and his alt attacks you in his mission Raven, after his timer ran out... high security space is filled with people who play Mining-Online: the single player version. In other words, they're not up to speed with what the game actually is, what the dangers are, game mechanics and other rather important stuff. Everywhere else in EVE you're always at risk, risk to lose your ship, your home, your assets and whatnot but THESE people just get fat&rich oblivious to any problems or danger. As such most of them fly expensively fitted ships and are easily lured into making mistakes.
Voodoo Dog Gallente Pilots of the Apocolypse	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:27:00 - [78] Edited by: Voodoo Dog on 15/01/2008 11:27:53 Its not only greifing, its petulant childish greifing but hey, this is EVE, where every play style is possible learn from it and move on or gimme your stuff *I refuse to have a sig before I have a face*
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ama-gi	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:28:00 - [79] if you store ore that you've mined in a can that has no lock ( jettisoned can vs. a secure anchorable can ) then that is akin to storing your wallet outside your house on the front porch. In both cases, you have no valid reason to complain if your stuff gets stolen. Secure it, or get some guns to protect it, or accept that you're going to take losses. it's your choice. Eve gives you choices. that's why we love Eve. :) -- No love for the Matari
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:31:00 - [80] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Yer, its not as if the miner likes the ore that much since he chucks it out. I like doing a bit of mining and I dislike when someone's nicking my ore, but this remark made me laugh.

Syril Mert Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:38:00 - [81] A long time ago when I was a poor empire miner I used this tactic to scare off those evil group miners that would travel from system to system mining all the Kernite. After a while some of them would skip "my" system and I got a chance to mine some kern for myself. It's not griefing. It's a fight for resources.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:39:00 - [82] Edited by: Grey Area on 15/01/2008 11:45:19 Originally by: Turin Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Arrrrggh, my head hurts. Please define griefing as a yes or no answer, and not fuzzy. Because as it is now, you are telling me that there is no griefing in Eve? I mean I am allowed to do anythhing like being some kind of total ******** and I am allowed to get away with it, in Eve? As long as your not using a deemed exploit... then yes. This is correct. Saying it don't make it so. You can grief without using an exploit. If you're using an expolit, then that's, well, exploitation, which is a whole different kettle of fish. So, for example...I get peeved with someone for some imagined reason, and I pod him. I know where his clone is set to, and I have some friends outside the station who pod him again. And again. And again. There's no exploit being used (assuming his clone is in less than 0.5 of course)...but it IS griefing. However...in the op's actual case given, I don't think it IS griefing, simply because, the use of a secure can would prevent it. Yes, it's faster and more efficient to use a jetcan due to the larger size...but it's more risky. So the risky way is the more profitable way, and the safer way takes more time...which is exactly as it should be. And i have to say, it's only a version of what I used to do to defend myself against loot thieves on missions...I'd blow up my own cans. When a loot thief took objection to this and told me "OMG! You could be blowing up Arbalest Launchers!" (this being when they were still worth something) I pointed out to him that at this point, since he was in the fast ship and I was in the slow BS...I was most likely blowing up HIS Arbalest Launchers. I still laugh remembering how mad he got... --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Thornat	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:49:00 - [83] I'll play devil's advocate here, but I personaly don't think its griefing as there are ways to combat this, its just that most people in this game just like in the real world would like 'someone' (usually government, but anyone other then them will do) to solve the problem for them. CCP has given you all the tools you need to combat every type of tactic, even low life tactics of ore thieves. First however, I have double and tripled checked this to be sure. If someone steals from your corp not only can any member of your corp attack him at will for 15 minutes, but also any member of your alliance. Avoiding Ore Thieves in 5 Steps 1. Never Mine Alone - I would say this is not just a golden rule of mining but a golden rule of good Eve play. The risks of doing anything alone are 1000% higher in Eve and the chances of getting ore theft are quite good if your jet can mining alone. You should have a friend or second account in a hauler clearing the cans constantly. 2. Deterant Fleet & Friends - If your going to mine in high sec, find out where your corp and alliance mates are that are running missions and mine near them. This way you can call on their help when something happens. This really goes hand and hand with rule 1. 3. Remote Locations & Local - U can avoid a lot of problems by proper system selection, I can't tell you how many noobs I've seen mining in systems like Cistavuart complaining about ore theft. Thats like going to a bad neighbhood ATM at night in a limo, your going to stand out like a sore thumb. Ore thieves prefer target rich enviroments so find remote systems to mine and keep a close eye on local, if someone with a suspicious corp affiliation or poor sec rating comes in get your hauler and pick up the ore. 4. Favorite Spots - Ore thefts are the lowest form of PvPer in Eve, well below pirates and extortion corps. There is not much money in it and anyone doing such a tactic will not stand up in a fight, so reverse the rolls if you have a favorite spot that is being bothered by a ore thief. Setup a Anti Ore thief operation with some friends and blow these guys up a few times. After that they'll assume that anytime your mining its a trap and will avoid you. I have personaly done this on numerous occassions and it works like a charm, in as a whole, ore thieves are cowards and very easy to kill. Bait and Petition - Notice I didn't put a number on this one, I admit this is a very provacative option, but in a game filled with people who are in it just to screw with other people its nice to give them a bit of payback. I wouldn't call this an anti pirate tactic so much as a way to pay people back you might not be able to pay back through gameplay. Paying close attention to your own language and conduct, attempt to insight the ore thief into a verbal confrontation, provoking him to get him to curse and belittle you then copy the conversation and open a petition against him. You may or may not be suprised to know that the large majority of people who do lame stuff like ore theft are socially challenged individuals with no self control and a complete absence of any common sense or curtiousy. Its quite easy to get them to unload their filth and stupidity, use it like a weapon against them. Open a petition and include the conversation log, u can assume that they will get banned for a short period (track their log in/outs with the buddies address system) and see how long they suddenly are logged out. With a little luck its not their first offense and if the conversation is ugly enough they may get banned permenantly.
Ur235 Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:53:00 - [84] it does flag you to the entire corp, I was looting wrecks killed by a different corp, purposley trying to get myself flagged to them and they fell for it and I popped 3 of there ships
Demarcus Killjoy. G Thanks Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:54:00 - [85] If you were mining into a secure can you wouldn't have an issue, so no it isn't griefing you just didn't bother properly securing your assets and they got stolen. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Thornat	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:59:00 - [86] Originally by: Syril Mert A long time ago when I was a poor empire miner I used this tactic to scare off those evil group miners that would travel from system to system mining all the Kernite. After a while some of them would skip "my" system and I got a chance to mine some kern for myself. It's not griefing. It's a fight for resources. Good point. I think its interesting that as soon as someone does anything in the game, either by attacking, stealing or any other tactic they are immediatly dubbed low life pirate (I know I often do it myself) however it is often quite the opposite. People have the right to defend what they believe is there's (wether rightfully, imagined or anything else) and as such its quite possible that a pirate is blowing up your haulers because he's a competator or was hired by a competator, as well as stealing from you or whatever else the case may be. Eve is a far broader game then most people give it credit for, I know I sometimes fall for the same trap, thanks for pointing that out Syril.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:04:00 - [87] Originally by: Voodoo Dog Its not only greifing, its petulant childish greifing but hey, this is EVE, where every play style is possible learn from it and move on or gimme your stuff I don't qft much, don't fancy the concept nor the practice particularly, but you post is worth an exception. So: QFT!
Njara Naoltaos	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:05:00 - [88] Skill for a Hulk, skill drones and for a scrambler and then you just have fun when somebody tries to flip your can. Mining would be so boring without that....
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:24:00 - [89] I see full stops at the end of questions as griefing
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:41:00 - [90] Originally by: Malcanis You might be better off asking for some logic. You're comparing in-game methods with quitting the game because you're losing. If you can't see the difference then I suppose EvE will continue to make you angry, and you'll continue to be a quitter. Enjoy, I suppose. I'm well aware of the logic behind condemning logoffski and login traps, Malcanis. I certainly understand why people consider it to be lame. In fact, I myself consider those two tactics to be some of the lamest things an EVE player could possibly do. However, they are allowed by CCP, even if only because it would be impossible to punish them reliably. My problem is that you (and a fair number of other people) can't seem to grasp the logic behind why I consider other activities allowed by CCP to be incredibly lame. The response to these statements is always "It's allowed, would you like some whine with your cheese?" or some variation thereof. Just because it's allowed, and just because you don't have to log out to do it, doesn't mean some people don't consider it just as lame as logoffski and login traps; can-flipping and bumping are two personal examples. I consider them both to be "metagaming", especially bumping.



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