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Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:31:00 - [1] First and for most, killing "defencless" miners does take skill in high sec contrary to popular belief. and i will explane why. first you have to agro them. You can do this a number of way. I perfer to steal their full can of ore in a deceptively small and deceptively weak ship. After you get all agroey (pretty sure i just made that word up) to them they have to fly back to station and will usually get a bigger ship then you to come and kill you with. Or they may call in buddies. Or if ur really lucky they will agro you right there on the spot. Whatever the case is when they come back in a bigger ship say a battle cruser or if ur lucky a battle ship :)now this is where the skill part kicks in. (i am almost always in my throax with 9k armor and tech II drones). Usually you gonna figure out what kinda guns they are using (short or far)and act accordingly. IF they are in a missle boat you are almost always scrwed due to the fact taht they never miss. Lets assume that a megathron with blasters is going to fight ya. First off you need to remember that your target is a miner and cant do any actual damage to you. Because your a hard core pirate you will surely out skill and out maneuver the miner. Thats my basic law. of course im kidding, just saying that makes me apper like the king of ignorant vally or someting. Anyways back to the topic at hand. So he/she comes in with a blaster megathron. when you see this start your oribet at 15km. Why 15? cuz you will be in warp disrupton range of your target but out of web range so he cant get his guns on you if you keep moving. Very clever eh? Aye, next you need to kill off the drones. thoes are the only things that can do actual damage to you keeping the miner at a distance. Once this drones are dead get ur donres on the mega and laugh like a pirate while the miner gets what he/she deserves. So there you have it killing miners does take skill and some kinvery. thats more then any 0.0 gank squad can say. Fangedterror King of Ignorant Vally www.eve-onlineguides.com
Miss Ore Caldari Thiefs United	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:33:00 - [2] alt!!!!
Marie Zecourtie Gallente Omacron Militia	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:33:00 - [3] spellcheck 4tw
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Xen Gin on 16/01/2008 20:34:05 Originally by: Fangedterror First off you need to remember that your target is a miner and cant do any actual damage to you. Hey look its a specifically designed PVP character, with mining skills? What are you going to do?
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:37:00 - [5] Why is it I find the OP could use the same argument to beat up first graders on the play ground? --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Alz Shado Ever Flow Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:51:00 - [6] Just be careful, that's all I'm sayin
Angel DeMorphis Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.16 20:56:00 - [7] In the end, you'd rather take out a character who's SP is specialized in mining and industry, rather than trying to take on a character who has better skills in PvP. For all your "skills" in taking down miners in high sec, especially the noobier they are, they mean jack in actual PvP. My sig taken from this site. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:04:00 - [8] Fail You can sit orbiting at 15km all the Megathron has to do is web and kill your drones one by one and unless your using rails you wont be able to damage him either, im ignorant as to the facts about whether a rail Thorax could actually break a Megathrons tank and I'm always reluctant to rely on EFT figures. If the Mega has heavy neuts fitted (all BSs should have imo to fend of tacklers) your gonna be out of cap fairly soon and lose MWD and you will end up in the Megas webrange pretty fast. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:48:00 - [9] This is like saying a challanger 2 main battle tank needs skill to take down a stationary pickup with a guy fireing an AK-47...
Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.16 21:58:00 - [10] all im saying is anyone can go to low sec and camp a gate with 15 other guys and kill anything that comes through. Is that really any better then going 1v1 with a miner in a bigger ship? And why does it matter what i do? Last i checked this is just a game :) also yes the mega could be fitted a number of ways. but in the end it is still a miner and im counting on it to be ill fitted or ill experanced. eather way i will win.
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:04:00 - [11] While it can be loads of fun, there is no glory in slaughter.
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:09:00 - [12] still doesnt mean you need skill for killing a miner. a cruiser fitted up for pvp vs a barge fitted up for mining and protection from rats (normaly a few drones). Bit of a one sided fight dont you think? The polish cavalry tryed to take on something with more firepower, the panzors won.
Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:16:00 - [13] im not saying that killing barges takes skill im saying that taking on ships that are bigger then you takes skill. read the original post please.
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:22:00 - [14] so... your saying taking on pvp ships in pvp ships takes skill... so this has nothing to do with miners whaps Fang
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:26:00 - [15] It doesn't take skill, but then that's kind of what pirating is. It's a game of odds where you stack them way in your favor = profit. If the mechanics of the game forced even fights, there would be very little ... well no pirating at all. Or if all pirates had to pirate other pirates...lol say that three times fast. This game is about creating uneven fights. None of that is skill more than it is pure numbers. --------------------------- nethervoid - since '97 [UO\|EQ\|SB\|SWG\|PS\|EVE\|HZ\|NWN\|VG\|WoW]
Kyra Felann Gallente Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Fangedterror killing miners does take skill and some kinvery. WTF is "kinvery"?
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2008.01.16 22:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Fangedterror killing miners does take skill and some kinvery. WTF is "kinvery"? I think he means 'knavery'.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.16 23:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 16/01/2008 23:32:59 It takes a bit of skill, proper knowledge on the gamemechanics.... but it's not difficult.
Techn0Viking	Posted - 2008.01.16 23:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Fangedterror all im saying is anyone can go to low sec and camp a gate with 15 other guys and kill anything that comes through. Is that really any better then going 1v1 with a miner in a bigger ship? And why does it matter what i do? Last i checked this is just a game :) also yes the mega could be fitted a number of ways. but in the end it is still a miner and im counting on it to be ill fitted or ill experanced. eather way i will win. You know, many moons ago in a different character, I was happily mining when I heard some reports of can-flippers in the area. My character at the time was specifically skilled up for mining. However, much to their dismay, I just also happened to have almost 3 mil sp in drones. Did you know that a 4-month old character in a dominix can rip apart a thorax and a ferox with surprisingly little effort, while sporting a full-rack of T2 mining lasers? Yah, neither did they.
Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.16 23:57:00 - [20] well some ppl arent as good. if they had any brains they would know a mining domi's only form of attack is the drones. so keep him scrambled and duh... kill the drones. if i read u correctly u said there was 2 of em. i think 2 people could kill drones quite quickly. but thats just me. i 2 also got 3 M in drones :) High five.
Alyth Gallente Dichotomy VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Marine HK4861 Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Fangedterror killing miners does take skill and some kinvery. WTF is "kinvery"? I think he means 'knavery'. I think he means Canivery. -------------------------------------------
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:51:00 - [22] Wow look at your massive e-peen, you're so manly! These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Alz Shado Just be careful, that's all I'm sayin I had no idea jnb made a movie ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.17 00:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 17/01/2008 01:00:28 Oh yeah..killing haulers in high sec is the mosy risky pvp there is It's got nothing to do with Concord protecting you from the locals, or the lack of dictor bubbles and cap ship blobs. Its all about the ability to flip a can, and man, that takes some skill. Woot, go FangedTerror. /emote bows Killing badgers, omg, how can we compete with that level of skill
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Oh yeah..killing haulers in high sec is the mosy risky pvp there is It's got nothing to do with Concord protecting you from the locals, or the lack of dictor bubbles and cap ship blobs. Its all about the ability to flip a can, and man, that takes some skill. Woot, go FangedTerror. /emote bows Strong with this one, the sarcasm is. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:00:00 - [26] takes skill, or takes idiocy?
FireMonk Caldari The Aeon Creed Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:06:00 - [27] haha lol fanged m8, ure idea is a bit bushed if their tanked then aint it? a few t2 drones wont break a half decent tank (unless ure flying a drone ship) -------------- You need isk to make isk, unfortunately i dont have the isk to make isk so i cant invest isk to make myself some more isk to make more isk with. ... Sucks tbh
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:30:00 - [28] Killing miners does indeed take skill, and from a piracy point of view is a fully respectable form of play. (if one looks at RL pirates from ancient times prior to Rome, all the day to today, they all LOVE helpless victims with phat loot....) But in terms of PvP, it is bottom feeding, pure and simple. Nothing wrong with that, just dont try and present yourself as a someone looking for 'pvp' Bottom feeders look for victims, and should be honest about that detail. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Oddball Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.17 01:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Fangedterror Fangedterror King of Ignorant Vally This.
Sara Roeburn	Posted - 2008.01.17 02:03:00 - [30] Please Mr Fangedterror sir dont hurt me I'm just a miner trying to make my way in the galaxy but there is nothing I can do against your awesome skills perhaps one day statues of you shall be built and songs of your bravery and glory shall be sung and the name "Fangedterror" shall be recorded for all time as the most skilled killer of Bantams and Navitas that ever stalked the galaxy.
Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.17 02:16:00 - [31] Edited by: Fangedterror on 17/01/2008 02:23:11 I agree. im not a PVPer. im a PVMer :) But what people forget is when fighting the mega you have to remember its just a miner. it will not have a proper tank.
Sorlac	Posted - 2008.01.17 02:38:00 - [32] So what you are saying is that it takes skill to win against someone that don't know what they are doing?
Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.17 02:44:00 - [33] well sorta. <.< but its more then that. most miners have done missions and have fired at people so saying that they have no idea what they are doing is false. Just being in a smaller ship then them means you godda be more tactical. they out gun you. but you out skill them. who will win? well we know the miner wont cuz hes a miner. but they can get close
Phil Miller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.17 03:07:00 - [34] Stop posting already, you're embarrassing yourself. ___________________________________
Fangedterror	Posted - 2008.01.17 03:12:00 - [35] no. i will have the last say in everything!
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.17 04:46:00 - [36] Hey Fang, if you want a real miner to go pick on, head on out to the Amarr system and find this veld-lover by the name of "Chribba". I hear he's all about mining and should be a good test of your 'leet skills'. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.17 06:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Helen Hunts Hey Fang, if you want a real miner to go pick on, head on out to the Amarr system and find this veld-lover by the name of "Chribba". I hear he's all about mining and should be a good test of your 'leet skills'. I second this --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Dijan Caro	Posted - 2008.01.17 06:36:00 - [38] Originally by: baltec1 still doesnt mean you need skill for killing a miner. a cruiser fitted up for pvp vs a barge fitted up for mining and protection from rats (normaly a few drones). Bit of a one sided fight dont you think? The polish cavalry tryed to take on something with more firepower, the panzors won. Only noob miners are silly enough to aggro their mining barges and those indeed aren't a challenge. I had miners come out at me in Drakes, Ravens, Tempests, Domis and Myrmis, sniper-dessies, stealth bombers, recon ships and hacs. Sometimes it is a 1vs1 fight and sometimes it is a 1vs blob that many include any of the above ships, with no corp or gang mates to help out. So if you're picturing ore thieves fighting a bunch of Retrievers who can't even field 5 drones, you clearly haven't ever been ore thieving and should not really post on topics you know nothing about.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.17 06:46:00 - [39] Just stop feeding the obvious troll

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.01.17 07:36:00 - [40] Why can't you just go kills some ebil pviates rather than us friendly and quiet carebears, what did we ever do to you? We mine in peace, not bothering anyone with our mining lasers and you must come kill us just because you will get a harder time attacking the gangs roaming low-sec? I think you are evil and I don't like your attitude Mister! With more and more carebears getting killed every day I fear to undock! And btw, training to be a good miner takes skill too... You really don't want to be without Mining 5 and Mining Drones 5. Secure 3rd party service ■ the Love project

PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.17 07:56:00 - [41] Originally by: baltec1 This is like saying a challanger 2 main battle tank needs skill to take down a stationary pickup with a guy fireing an AK-47... Thats like saying you have been playing alot of battlefield 2 instead of eve. Shame on you :) Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Buyerr	Posted - 2008.01.17 09:55:00 - [42] ****** I declare war on stupidity
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.17 10:08:00 - [43] Only noob miners are silly enough to aggro their mining barges and those indeed aren't a challenge. I had miners come out at me in Drakes, Ravens, Tempests, Domis and Myrmis, sniper-dessies, stealth bombers, recon ships and hacs. Sometimes it is a 1vs1 fight and sometimes it is a 1vs blob that many include any of the above ships, with no corp or gang mates to help out. So if you're picturing ore thieves fighting a bunch of Retrievers who can't even field 5 drones, you clearly haven't ever been ore thieving and should not really post on topics you know nothing about. ___________________________________________________________________________________ No I havent been ore thieving, I have been on the receiving end of it. I have encountered these people while mining in my barge, they steal your ore then if you dont respond blow it up in hopes that you do. When they still get no responce from me they move on. All they have done is waste both my time and their's. Its not piracy its just people trying to get an easy kill. I got so fed up with this and pirates that I got a second account just to sit next to me in a hauler so I can dump the ore right into it. Problem solved.
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:03:00 - [44] Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 17/01/2008 11:04:09 I have taken ore from miners and I do mine my self (Alt Account). The people I have taken ore from are the competition who are mining in our spots. They often retaliate but I don't blow up there barges, I take them into structure and hold them here while we take there ore and leave a message in there inbox saying "move along". As a 100% combat pilot ther is no challenge in blowing up a mining barge, and it says nothign less than I want a killmail and am going to ruin yrou day. If I wanted that I would go to low sec, or war dec some one. Fang, you sir just are looking for cowardly PVP against people who cant defend themselves. The fact that you prey people who can't fly there ships puts you at an advantage, making all your fights already decided. PS - Where do you hang out... --------------------
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:25:00 - [45] Logging in also takes skill. You have aim with your mouse on the correct spot and then you have to fill in the correct user password as well!!! without mistakes!!!!!!
Jain Za Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Fangedterror im covered in failsauce. Why yes, yes you are.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.17 11:57:00 - [47] Another sterling example of why not to mine into jetcans. Don't give the primitives a reason to get angry. ----In before Jonny JoJo turns this into an Amarr whine----
Isiah Petrokov Amarr Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.17 12:02:00 - [48] Originally by: Buyerr ****** Actually, we did declare war on stupidity. The great thing is, for all his blowhardyness here, they know how to dock and hide exceptionally well. Oh, and their local smack, is horrible.
Schena Isodyne Research and Production	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:12:00 - [49] I'd like you to try this on me sometime
Orlenda Enterprise Shipyards Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:23:00 - [50] It doesn't take skill, it takes a set number of rote-learned procedures that don't work on any competent individual anyways.
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:25:00 - [51] It would take significantly more skill if you would try it in amarr ships.
Orlenda Enterprise Shipyards Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.17 13:26:00 - [52] That too :)
Soldur Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:14:00 - [53] this is stupid anyways because if they shot ur drone u would just have to run away... Quote: DO IT TO IT
Caldari Cylon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.17 14:57:00 - [54] Failedterror would love to run in to you. ===================================== Option A: You talk, we listen, no pain. Option B: You don't talk, I remove your thumbs with my pliers, it will hurt.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:24:00 - [55] I think this loser's name says it all: failed terror. His entire game mechanic is akin to the puke that fails 4th grade over an over, then crows that he's the baddest mofo ever because he's now 300 pounds and 5' tall and can kick all the other 4th grader's asses. Lamer than the lamest lame ever, and then some.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:43:00 - [56] I'm a carebear miner, and I have over 8 mill SP in gunnery. My mining ship doesn't have any guns but I believe I have a number of other ships parked up with big guns on them.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.01.17 15:46:00 - [57] Originally by: Lord Evangelian The people I have taken ore from are the competition who are mining in our spots. They often retaliate but I don't blow up there barges, I take them into structure and hold them here while we take there ore and leave a message in there inbox saying "move along". As a 100% combat pilot ther is no challenge in blowing up a mining barge, and it says nothign less than I want a killmail and am going to ruin yrou day. If I wanted that I would go to low sec, or war dec some one. I wish there were more people like you in the game. That's how it's supposed to be played IMO.
Taedrin Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.01.17 16:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Alz Shado Just be careful, that's all I'm sayin Training for a Hulk right now, so I can kill ore thieves with my 4m sp in drones

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