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Tashi Nobini	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:41:00 - [1] Can we find a whole new galaxy or something? When you're just looking for a nice quiet spot for yourself it's becoming increasingly harder. My main had a great level 4 spot for a very out of the way corp in a very out of the way system a year ago, and there were only like 5 guys there, and now there's 50 today. Does anyone else feel space is getting cramped? I remember 4 years ago when you could go places far away from other people and kick back and relax. You know, cause I want to play an MMO all by myself and all, but it's nice to find a place where no one else is and go exploit it for a while. Generally, it just feels like the universe should be twice as big now.
Tashi Nobini	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:41:00 - [2] Can we find a whole new galaxy or something? When you're just looking for a nice quiet spot for yourself it's becoming increasingly harder. My main had a great level 4 spot for a very out of the way corp in a very out of the way system a year ago, and there were only like 5 guys there, and now there's 50 today. Does anyone else feel space is getting cramped? I remember 4 years ago when you could go places far away from other people and kick back and relax. You know, cause I want to play an MMO all by myself and all, but it's nice to find a place where no one else is and go exploit it for a while. Generally, it just feels like the universe should be twice as big now.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:44:00 - [3] Well, either that or we could try a massive reset to zero because it achieves the same thing. Maybe a special reset server for use in a week before adding to the main server. Everybody gets to be newbs for a week. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:44:00 - [4] Well, either that or we could try a massive reset to zero because it achieves the same thing. Maybe a special reset server for use in a week before adding to the main server. Everybody gets to be newbs for a week. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:46:00 - [5] There is plenty of empty space, people tend to group up in certain systems, either because of agents, moons, rats etc. But if you look hard enough you will find a nice quiet area good enough for you :) I`d disagree with expanding 0.0 and low sec, havent really thought about Empire. I wouldnt really mind it made bigger. Ive heard ideas such as putting empire space on the other side of 0.0 that could be interesting. ----
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:46:00 - [6] There's still loads of room in Eve-o. 0.0 space. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:46:00 - [7] There is plenty of empty space, people tend to group up in certain systems, either because of agents, moons, rats etc. But if you look hard enough you will find a nice quiet area good enough for you :) I`d disagree with expanding 0.0 and low sec, havent really thought about Empire. I wouldnt really mind it made bigger. Ive heard ideas such as putting empire space on the other side of 0.0 that could be interesting. ----
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:46:00 - [8] There's still loads of room in Eve-o. 0.0 space. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Gealbhan There's still loads of room in Eve-o. 0.0 space. crappy 0.0 space. there's lo-sec too, but that one doesn't pay off that much. --- planetary interaction idea!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Gealbhan There's still loads of room in Eve-o. 0.0 space. crappy 0.0 space. there's lo-sec too, but that one doesn't pay off that much. --- planetary interaction idea!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:55:00 - [11] An RP server. I'd go. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Tashi Nobini Can we find a whole new galaxy or something? When you're just looking for a nice quiet spot for yourself it's becoming increasingly harder. My main had a great level 4 spot for a very out of the way corp in a very out of the way system a year ago, and there were only like 5 guys there, and now there's 50 today. Does anyone else feel space is getting cramped? I remember 4 years ago when you could go places far away from other people and kick back and relax. You know, cause I want to play an MMO all by myself and all, but it's nice to find a place where no one else is and go exploit it for a while. Generally, it just feels like the universe should be twice as big now. I think its only something us old timers experience. When I saw a Pirate in Catch when I first started you used to chat after the battle because you hadn't see anyone for a week. Player numbers seem to be tailing a little just lately. If 45k to 50k was a regular thing I think we could have a new high sec region aand 2 low sec/0.0. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:55:00 - [13] An RP server. I'd go. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Tashi Nobini Can we find a whole new galaxy or something? When you're just looking for a nice quiet spot for yourself it's becoming increasingly harder. My main had a great level 4 spot for a very out of the way corp in a very out of the way system a year ago, and there were only like 5 guys there, and now there's 50 today. Does anyone else feel space is getting cramped? I remember 4 years ago when you could go places far away from other people and kick back and relax. You know, cause I want to play an MMO all by myself and all, but it's nice to find a place where no one else is and go exploit it for a while. Generally, it just feels like the universe should be twice as big now. I think its only something us old timers experience. When I saw a Pirate in Catch when I first started you used to chat after the battle because you hadn't see anyone for a week. Player numbers seem to be tailing a little just lately. If 45k to 50k was a regular thing I think we could have a new high sec region aand 2 low sec/0.0. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:00:00 - [15] If you want to play solo play a solo game imo, the whole idea of MMO's is interaction with others in whatever way.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:06:00 - [16] get out of empire then
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Steve Hawkings get out of empire then Someone is gatecamping and catching nothing. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:10:00 - [18] Go to Amarr space, it's a lot less crowded. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Steve Hawkings get out of empire then Someone is gatecamping and catching nothing. not reallt i live in 0.0 and its far from cramped, I love it how victims like yourself you assume everyone out to get them, bullied at school too ?
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Steve Hawkings Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Steve Hawkings get out of empire then Someone is gatecamping and catching nothing. not reallt i live in 0.0 and its far from cramped, I love it how victims like yourself you assume everyone out to get them, bullied at school too ? Who are you faceless peon? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Alidore	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:24:00 - [21] I hear that Hydra space is available
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:49:00 - [22] Systems with 50+ people in them are very rare even in high-sec. If you ask me, I think we need more people in Eve, not less.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:02:00 - [23] How many times has this online comic been posted... just change the sign to highsec and you got what I dub "Carebear syndrome" () () (â;..;)â (")(")
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:09:00 - [24] 5152 available systems in eve, at a peak weekend of about 40k users thats between 7 and 8 players per system if evenly spread. If you break down the systems further its 1203 highsec systems 655 lowsec systems 3294 0.0 systems in reality space isn't cramped people are just choosing to stay in the smaller parts of it Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:18:00 - [25] Well it would be nice to have more 0.0 space and perhaps a few 'islands' of high sec with many access routes to the new regions..there are indeed many empty systems but those are mostly crappy systems.
Dilskin Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:44:00 - [26] There are way too many 0.0 systems with terrible true sec ratings, where the ore is the same as empire Hi Sec, and there are only cruiser rats. Increase the spawn to battleship rats, and the ore to at least crokite/bistot, and 0.0 won't seem nearly so crowded, as folks won't all need to crowd together as much.
O'Ran Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:50:00 - [27] honestly... i blame the warp to 0. Yes it has many benefits but it has made the galaxy ALOT smaller - this is why you may be feeling cramped. ----- My views do not represent the views of my Corporation or Alliance.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Sokratesz Well it would be nice to have more 0.0 space and perhaps a few 'islands' of high sec with many access routes to the new regions..there are indeed many empty systems but those are mostly crappy systems. Yup and if ccp adds any new space to the game it will have to mix in crappy systems just aswell can't add new space thats just all good systems cus everyone would migrate towards it. eventually all the really good systems will be camped by a single alliance those not in that alliance won't get a look in tbh we're slowly heading towards what eve china has done at a faster pace. What really ought to be done is to add a diminishing returns system to a systems value so something that is valuable now if its over used in a month or so it will be worth jack and those valuable assets are randomly seeded elsewhere in low use systems. 1) Remove the infinite flag on ice belts 2) Remove all fixed asteroid belts and ice fields placing them into an exploration style system discovery system 3) Randomise the types of ore that occur within a system. 4) Make moon minerals no longer infinite 5) Allow moon minerals once depleted in one location to occur in another random location 6) Apply the diminishing returns factor to all of the above, the more something is used up the less likely it is to respawn in the same system Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:58:00 - [29] I think the reason why EVE can seem cramped is because of how the resources are spread out. All the good L4 agents are in the same areas, the good ore is located in select systems too, then we also have the trade hubs that gather massive amounts of players all around them, as well as certain high sec systems around 0.0 can gather a lot of people. It's not hard to find completely deserted system as such. You can just take a trip to lowsec for that.. It's just that doing carebear stuff in those areas is too dangerous for people to bother, I think.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.01.21 02:00:00 - [30] Warp to zero made eve a lot smaller. Jump bridges went a step further. Both should be removed.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.21 02:06:00 - [31] Originally by: Dilskin There are way too many 0.0 systems with terrible true sec ratings, where the ore is the same as empire Hi Sec, and there are only cruiser rats. Increase the spawn to battleship rats, and the ore to at least crokite/bistot, and 0.0 won't seem nearly so crowded, as folks won't all need to crowd together as much. There are 1028 systems with ark, bist, crok or merc in eve so just over 20% of the systems in eve have at LEAST 1 of the 4 highest profit ores. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.21 02:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Tzar'rim If you want to play solo play a solo game imo, the whole idea of MMO's is interaction with others in whatever way. This ^^
Imas Pi	Posted - 2008.01.21 02:48:00 - [33] Funny you should mention this. I agree. When I started awhile back, space was kind of "empty", and it was kinda cool to be out alone in space. This is the main reason I've decided to postpone playing eve for awhile. Currently, Eve is too crowded.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.21 04:11:00 - [34] Yes, Eve feels cramped. This is due to lots of things, among them à Agent Quality and Levels. Gates. We're flying around in rooms with doors. Can only warp to something or a book mark, over which we have limited control. Functional space of any system is rarely more than 80AU wide. High Sec over populated because low sec/0.0 travel risk is not more equitably mitigated, among other things. Etc etc The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Kurz Webber	Posted - 2008.01.21 05:23:00 - [35] those sick bastards. Can you imagine? Actually stocking players up in systems. gah the nerve lol. They need to take a lesson from soe and just plummet. down down down into the ground.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.21 05:37:00 - [36] 0.0 is pretty empty but then again most of the empty 0.0 is pretty crappy. Whole strings of systems with no high end ore or bs rats and moons with no value. You always know when you get to the good areas though due to local jumping up from 0 to 40 with a bubble camp on the gates. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.21 06:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Ethen Bejorn Warp to zero made eve a lot smaller. Jump bridges went a step further. Both should be removed. Start by removing the smuggler gates, that's the gates connecting the deep ends of space with eachother. Tenal to Cobalt Edge and Paragon Soul to Period Basis. These are the kind of things that put a needless shrink on EVE. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.21 06:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Gealbhan There's still loads of room in Eve-o. 0.0 space. thats not true entirerly. there are cloaking macro ratting ravens in every system in 0.0
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.21 06:22:00 - [39] This thread has a couple of suggestions about fixing overpopulation and blobbing, though there's other stuff as well. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.21 06:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Malken Originally by: Gealbhan There's still loads of room in Eve-o. 0.0 space. thats not true entirerly. there are cloaking macro ratting ravens in every system in 0.0 Not in geminate
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny How many times has this online comic been posted... just change the sign to highsec and you got what I dub "Carebear syndrome" Pretty good comic, especially in showing how the "gankers" don't really want combat, don't want a fight, thus they are all waiting for the easy targets instead of fighting the ones already in the "PvP zone". I've never gotten how shooting fish in a barrel can be rewarding, but it sure does seem popular. It's like cherry pickers in racing, guys who don't seek a challenge, just cheap "victories", by competing in classes/divisions they should have left a long time ago. No, that's wrong, it's actuallly like the B racers going to trackdays getting kicks out of "pwning", passing people left and right, people who are not even racing.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny How many times has this online comic been posted... just change the sign to highsec and you got what I dub "Carebear syndrome" , especially in showing how the "gankers" don't really want combat, don't want a fight, thus they are all waiting for the easy targets instead of fighting the ones already in the "PvP zone". I've never gotten how shooting fish in a barrel can be rewarding, but it sure does seem popular. you sure are clueless. Fish in a barrel dont drop billions, and neither do other combat ships normally.
Vixeon Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:50:00 - [43] Remote use of agents? Being able to spawn a mission anywhere by talking to your agent. Why do u have to visit your agent to get a mission? Has the telephone been un-invented in the future? Agents in 0.0 outpost? Boost low sec, make it worth while to rat and mine there, instead of farming lvl4s in high sec in complete safety?
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:54:00 - [44] 0.0 is way too empty. You can tell by the lack of markets. Since nobody is forced to live with anybody else, no coherent communities are formed. Just some people fighting, some slaves mining, and a load of alts scouting. Now if 0.0 was 1/10th the size it is now, it might actually be interesting. But seeing as they put most of their stuff like labs in hi sec, because they "sandboxed" 0.0 into an uninhabitable latrine. Pick the right 0.0 and you can find an empty system where nobody goes. Sadly, you will leave a trail of "Jumps in the last hour : 1" all the way across the map, and in about 45 minutes, 23 Vagabonds, 6 astartes, and 3 Rapiers will dock camp you for the next few hours until you log off and go to bed. It's true! --- Fanboi noun: 1)Person who thinks you should be happy that Eve just got a little bit worse. 2) Idiot. Fanboiz: Plural of Fanboi Doorknob: Collective noun for Fanboiz.
xyeLz	Posted - 2008.01.21 14:55:00 - [45] If you look at the number of players vs the number of galaxies, you'll find the average per galaxy is very low. Ontop of that, you'll find that some systems have 30-50x the average ammount, meaning there's other galaxies that likely have 0-1 players to compensate for the other high-populated galaxies. That being said, there's evidently alot of free space.. So what is the problem? The market. Players do not go solo, where there is no established market. You'll either have an established space where players go, or there isn't one and only groups of players go there, but almost never solo. You simply cannot be entirely running your account on your own. You cannot own all the blueprints of every item, get all the materials, build your own pos or outpost, defend your space on your own. You need a group that establishes space, you need a group that establishes a defense, a market, a place to manufacture and dock and change fittings, etc. Just look at our planet, there's loads of space that isn't lived on, but you aren't going there either for the logical reasons.
Viktor VonCarstein Amarr Phoenix Industries Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:30:00 - [46] Having NPC agents in player owned outposts is an interesting idea. Maybe like Amarr Agents in an Amarr Outpost, Caldari Agents in a Caldari Outpost etc. They should be like 1 of each level quality could be increased through a purchased upgrade. The Outpost owners could set how much of the mission reward goes to them up to a max of 50%. Obviously this benefits the station owners and the lower it is the more likely others will use it. However high charges will discourage all but the Alliance members. It would create interesting dilemas of whether to be NBSI or NRDS. Mission HUB systems would likely make a lot of money through agent tax (Above) and have a much better market. It would however make it easier for spies to move around your home systems. Back on topic. The above idea may help to reduce the numbers in empire. Many people even in 0.0 alliances like to make their ISK via mission running and it is likely they would move down to their home system if there was an agent there. It is one of several ideas of distributing resoucres in Eve to spread people out. However making moon mins run out is not practical and putting very high end ores and high end rats in all 0.0 would mean that there is no really valuable space to fight over and there will always be those who will not leave high sec because of the risk. Phoenix Industries A Unique collection of Resource Links for Eve Online can be found here currently totalling over 120.
heheheh Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:46:00 - [47] 0.0 is not crowded.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:08:00 - [48] Quote: There are way too many 0.0 systems with terrible true sec ratings, where the ore is the same as empire Hi Sec, and there are only cruiser rats. QFT. Oh so true. The 'bad' regions of 0.0 and low sec badly need an overhaul.
Weeaboot	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:19:00 - [49] Remove agent quality. Fixed.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:20:00 - [50] Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 21/01/2008 16:19:47 CRAMPED AND STUFFY, OPEN THE WINDOW! _______________________________ Complex Fullerene Shards; why God? :\|
McAltyalty	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:23:00 - [51] Indeed. The reason that lots of 0.0 and low sec is empty is because the risk is not worth the reward. They need to put missions out there, and fix the true sec standing of many areas.
Sniggerdly Hater	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Pick the right 0.0 and you can find an empty system where nobody goes. Sadly, you will leave a trail of "Jumps in the last hour : 1" all the way across the map, and in about 45 minutes, 23 Vagabonds, 6 astartes, and 3 Rapiers will dock camp you for the next few hours until you log off and go to bed. It's true! There's a reason why those empty systems in 0.0 are empty. And its because they are absolute crap. Either they don't have targets to shoot, or they have worse returns than a hig h sec L3 agent. Who in their mind would want to go there? Nobody. Thus, empty.
Sniggerdly Hater	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:41:00 - [53] Originally by: heheheh 0.0 is not crowded. Nope. Because most is a dump and people don't like living in dumps.
Taedrin Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:53:00 - [54] Originally by: McAltyalty Indeed. The reason that lots of 0.0 and low sec is empty is because the risk is not worth the reward. They need to put missions out there, and fix the true sec standing of many areas. QFT
Kallisto Ares	Posted - 2008.01.21 18:02:00 - [55] I was talking to a friend about this as well, Eve does feel pretty damn cramped in hi-sec these days since no matter where you go, always seems like you're bumping into other people - not exactly what you think of for a 'massively' multiplayer space game. Why haven't the agents and asteroid fields been spread out better? The subscriber count keeps growing like crazy, yet we keep getting packed into the same area just like that cartoon which is too close to the truth as far as hi-sec to low-sec.
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.21 19:20:00 - [56] when eve was peaking at 3k people online it was sweet now it's 30k it's less than sweet but the problem is that so much of the player base refuses to enter low sec much less 0.0 i mean you see it all the time "my idea on how to populate lowsec " by ... but the truth is all you have to do ... is go there really it doesn't need a patch just some B@lls . until more players realize that the risk is minimal and the rewards great they will be affraid of 0.0 - low sec and high sec will be crowded * *
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2008.01.21 19:37:00 - [57] Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 21/01/2008 19:40:14 Eve doesn't feel cramped. It feels populated. I remember when most of Minmatar space felt like a ghost town. It's a galaxy, full of populated planets. Pod pilots are the elite, but there should still be lots of them. Yes, it sucks when half a dozen alliances have already scanned that moon, but that's life. Edit: I'm currently flying through a 0.7 Gallente system. It has a station and 'roid belts. And one other person in local. And there are 33,000 people on ATM.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.21 19:41:00 - [58] Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 21/01/2008 19:41:44 CCP's epic failure known as agents. Hey i know lets stick only 1 high quality level 4 agent in empire, that most definitely will never cause problems.... right? If I move to a different agent i no longer get the benefit of both of my connections skill books, so I refuse to move. /glances at dodixie local (280+)... super. It's not even JITA ffs. Love to the Assault Frigate!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 19:59:00 - [59] when i started eve had less then 7k players at peak, now it has40+k at peak, in all that time ccp only added a few regions, nobody lives in those empty systems cuz simply there is nothing there worth living there, so the number of people in the systems worth living in has increased exponentially. Time ccp made more systems worth while to live in. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Howling Jinn Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:11:00 - [60] yes there is empty 0.0 systems. but we talking crappy true sec and low on belts. add more belts and sort the true sec. i know ccp said they would never fix the true sec, i also know that ccp's goal was 10k players online at the same time. sort the true sec. when you are 40+ jumps from high sec you kinda expect better true sec than -0.04..
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:42:00 - [61] Originally by: Howling Jinn sort the true sec. when you are 40+ jumps from high sec you kinda expect better true sec than -0.04.. true sec is balanced fine so quit whining sec system count -1.0 69 -0.9 114 -0.8 186 -0.7 228 -0.6 278 -0.5 276 -0.4 331 -0.3 407 -0.2 503 -0.1 596 -0.0 536 +0.0 14 +0.1 71 +0.2 121 +0.3 200 +0.4 249 +0.5 263 +0.6 276 +0.7 229 +0.8 226 +0.9 155 +1.0 54 ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Yazmina	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:51:00 - [62] Edited by: Yazmina on 21/01/2008 20:52:37 Edited by: Yazmina on 21/01/2008 20:51:50 I totally agree that getting rid of agent quality will fix a lot of these problems. Make agent spacing more even and add more of them so that there isnt so much blobbing in the "good" systems. Just as has been said increase the rewards by adding more valuable minerals and bigger rats in the 0.0 and low sec space. And from a Carebear point of view traveling to low sec and 0.0 is too dangerous even knowing all that I know about checking maps and doing research. As long as there are good agents in high sec space that is where I am staying. I have no intention of risking getting podded by a gate camp, especially now that I bought implants. REMOVE GATECAMPS and more carebears will popualte low sec space, /SOLVED
Saphros Minmatar Lone Gunmen	Posted - 2008.01.21 20:52:00 - [63] There are some good valid points in this thread; I sure miss the days when one could travel several jumps without seeing another pilot in space. I fail to see that CCP's goal with EVE would be Jita-Online! Its freakinÆ space, I just hope CCP wants it to be creepy, unforgiving and dangerous, not an overpopulated laggfest  My vote goes for more low sec regions with more agents (especially level 4-5 agents) and exploration sites. Not all people have the ability to call in sick from work just to camp a gate in 0.0 for a few days. Respect that thereÆs a lot of different people playing this game, and we all have different ways of enjoying it. Quote: Guns donÆt kill people, lag does!
Kallisto Ares	Posted - 2008.01.21 21:00:00 - [64] Originally by: Dirtee Girl when eve was peaking at 3k people online it was sweet <sniP> until more players realize that the risk is minimal and the rewards great they will be affraid of 0.0 - low sec and high sec will be crowded The minimal risk and great rewards are only there for the gatecampers. Low sec simply isn't worth the hassle as a solo PvE player not wanting to get ganked by an organized PvP group waiting on the other side.
s0co	Posted - 2008.01.21 21:02:00 - [65] Some black worm holes would make this game expand, or even upgrading the look of the planets e.g make them huge!!!! Like it should be.

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