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Rumpelstilski Caldari The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:48:00 - [1] Again.. As I promised in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=689578&page=2#40 We will try to determine why AAA isn't abiding by RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members. I believe this question has a larger political context, so please keep off the spam and smack and say what you think. If need be, more possible answers will be added to the poll as additional answers are already added from subsequent posts on the "AAA taking C3" thread. AAA challenges RA will and global interests? RA didn't really mean it when they said it (that's called a lie, no?) RA really meant what it said, but that deal is off from some time in the past but no one told KOS leadership? It's all a big misunderstanding, AAA isn't a part of southern coalition, funny eh? Did anyone tell RSF? :) What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition"
Hillary Lips Three Rings	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:51:00 - [2] is aaa even in the coalition didn't they just get napped as they were shooting the same targets ------------------- Originally by: Maksiim I went duck shooting not so long ago, I popped three and I didn't die once? who wins?
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:52:00 - [3] --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Prontifex THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:52:00 - [4] Because nobody likes KOS
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:56:00 - [5] What did you expect to happen? RA obviously values -A- far more than it values KOS, so if they want your space Red Alliance isn't going risk upsetting a their real friends over a politically convientient friendhsip with KOS. Besides with the inability of this game to support the entire RGF in an assault on Delve it was only a matter of time before PvP organisations like -A- sought action elsewhere. In my opinnion other allies of the RGF who are their as a result of political convenience as oppossed to true friendship need to watch their backs also in the coming weeks.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.24 10:58:00 - [6] Originally by: End Yourself This TBH, Stop spamming. You are just making yourself look like rise.. ascn.. fla... dmc... sparta.. every other terrible carebear alliance to get splattered so far.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:03:00 - [7] couple of possible answers : - becouse they can. - becouse they felt like that. - becouse thats a bonus quest in kill mc mission - becouse they need key which KOS drops to pass to next level - becouse im bored at work - becouse they dont like your forum posting
Hohne Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:06:00 - [8] As far as I'm aware -A- was never a member of the sourthern coalition and was never blue to all of the southern coalition members. Sure they helped out IAC and set some very short term blues to some people, but part of the coalition ? I don't think so.
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:06:00 - [9] not again... _________________________________________ solo pirating ftw!
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Hohne As far as I'm aware -A- was never a member of the sourthern coalition and was never blue to all of the southern coalition members. Sure they helped out IAC and set some very short term blues to some people, but part of the coalition ? I don't think so. I think you are next....
Estephania Independent Political Analysts	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:08:00 - [11] This is obvious. According to the "master plan" the RSF will have only 3 big entities: RA, AAA and Goons. The whole South will be rented to farmers, pets or other small insignificant entities, while RA will be slowly chewing the drone regions. Larger entities like KOS, TCF and later IAC will have no future in the RSF. KOS was chosen because it was considered the weakest link. Tortuga guys will be next, then TCF and finally IAC. After that Goons may become a target too, but that is a very wild guess. But coalition members shouldn't burden their mind with such things. They are required to undock and fight the ebil BoB.
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan What did you expect to happen? *RA obviously values -A- far more than it values KOS*, so if they want your space Red Alliance isn't going risk upsetting a their real friends over a politically convientient friendhsip with KOS. Besides with the inability of this game to support the entire RGF in an assault on Delve it was only a matter of time before PvP organisations like -A- sought action elsewhere. In my opinnion other allies of the RGF who are their as a result of political convenience as oppossed to true friendship need to watch their backs also in the coming weeks. Who wouldn't?
thebold MASS	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:10:00 - [13] Originally by: umop 3pisdn This TBH, Stop spamming. You are just making yourself look like rise.. ascn.. fla... dmc... sparta.. every other terrible carebear alliance to get splattered so far. Well he does sit afk 23/7 in OT-lib holding onto the sheer hope that we will leave Stain... Anyway KOS you are making your selfs look like EVEs next ASCN and the fact that you come here to highlight RA said this RA said that, really is pretty poor! You are a huge alliance now and nothing you said you would be from when you started. Will this all be diminished to nothing?
madcolor Rubra Libertas Militia Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:15:00 - [14] dude, looks like ur RA pet. KOS sux compared to AAA.
Mud Pandemonium Minmatar Trainwreck INC.	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:22:00 - [15] Is this a joke? One of the southern alliances has distanced themselves from this whole GBC V.S. RSF powerbloc epeen contest and has decided to gorge themselves on an alliance who.. to be quite honest doesn't contribute anything but meatshields? Even though you're in the alliance that AAA has chosen to powerfarm to satiate their thirst for emo tears you can still give them a slap on the back for going their own way and attacking whoever they see fit regardless of politics. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, you have someone to PVP against that doesn't need to bring the might of a powerbloc behind them to engage you. Silver linings and all that. I think before my days are done, I want to be a fisherman.
Rumpelstilski Caldari The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:25:00 - [16] Originally by: thebold Originally by: umop 3pisdn This TBH, Stop spamming. You are just making yourself look like rise.. ascn.. fla... dmc... sparta.. every other terrible carebear alliance to get splattered so far. Well he does sit afk 23/7 in OT-lib holding onto the sheer hope that we will leave Stain... Anyway KOS you are making your selfs look like EVEs next ASCN and the fact that you come here to highlight RA said this RA said that, really is pretty poor! You are a huge alliance now and nothing you said you would be from when you started. Will this all be diminished to nothing? That's a normal consequence when too much of a given alliance's member base spends it's time carebearing and not responding to ctas, no grief there. And I disagree about the accusation regarding RA. We all believe RA to be leaders of the southern coalition. When members of the coalition who are not really members but they are too start disregarding RA declarations which are both absolute and conditional - then something doesn't add up. We are here to try to see what Eve players think is the part that doesn't add up.
Robrian Gallente Southern Cross Mining and Industrial	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:25:00 - [17] There some good ppl in KOS , but alas they arent the ones who make decisions.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Rumpelstilski We are here to try to see what Eve players think is the part that doesn't add up. you are here to cry emo tears while you die. nobody cares now that you have been singled out for execution.
Mips Nig The Lost Prophets Euro Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:31:00 - [19] Well it's safe to say I was sorely tempted to jump a few dreads on AAA's motherships. But alas cooler heads prevailed
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:39:00 - [20] It is hardly rocket science. 1. Everyone enjoys easy fights where they get loads of kills and few losses. 2. Fighting BoB is not easy and is likely to result in significant losses and is guaranteed to result in a lot of lag. 3. KOS are not very good. 4. ...... 5. Profit.
Shirokko Papshimar SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs TWISTED INFECTION	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:42:00 - [21] Edited by: Shirokko Papshimar on 24/01/2008 11:43:06 poasting cos pv told me too bring it KOS im sure you will be awsome COUGH* lose farmers *COUGH edit ) oh wait im not aaa'' still bring it
Barthezz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:43:00 - [22] Even IF (big IF) RA was annoyed by the actions from AAA (which I sincerely doubt), do you really think they want to open that door by starting a war with AAA? KOS is peanuts, always have been. And wasnt it RA that took pity on KOS after beating the crap out of them 1.5 years ago? All I can say is good luck, you'll need it. Now stop whining, it makes you look even weaker. Its one alliance, either show that you can hold your own or gtfo of 0.0. Crap now I posted again, Dan will be mad, sorry Dan ! --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
thebold MASS	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Rumpelstilski That's a normal consequence when too much of a given alliance's member base spends it's time carebearing and not responding to ctas, no grief there. And I disagree about the accusation regarding RA. We all believe RA to be leaders of the southern coalition. When members of the coalition who are not really members but they are too start disregarding RA declarations which are both absolute and conditional - then something doesn't add up. We are here to try to see what Eve players think is the part that doesn't add up. RA care primarly for there space that has been there home since the dawn of EVE. They also care about people that show types of commitment, loyalty/trust and willing to persevere, as you have said you have great numbers but no one turns up to a CTA... Then you need to show not just RA but others your ability to shed your dead weight and get to grips with your existing corps that want to do things and make change. In theory you could drop your alliance to 5 solid corp membership and build internal power blocks instead of multiple corps for greater numbers. Then when those 5 corps fight there hearts out for something you may find someone more willing to help you out... Until you make any reforms your alliance moral will continue to drop like a lead balloon. Trust me when I say, if a alliance member sees 50 in alliance and 45 in gang and you still can not fight, that alliance member will see that everyone is there with him and he is not alone... the flip side is futile.
Tamo Isrect Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:52:00 - [24] Edited by: Tamo Isrect on 24/01/2008 11:57:08 "RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members" One simple question: What makes KOS a coalition member? Sure, noone excepted KOS to be a big help. But did KOS even try? I guess it's your own lazyness that brought you this outcome. Tamo
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:53:00 - [25] Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/01/2008 11:53:38 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry It is hardly rocket science. 1. Everyone enjoys easy fights where they get loads of kills and few losses. We - dont. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 2. Fighting BoB is not easy and is likely to result in significant losses and is guaranteed to result in a lot of lag. We are not afraid of losing ships. For 2 years that we are fighting bob - we inflicted more damage to them, than them to us. At least according to their killboard. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 3. KOS are not very good. They had opportunity to change things. As for reasons. Our reasons are our own. I can say only one thing. KOS members begging for help on those forums - only reinforcing our will to finish you faster.
Bonita Ramirez Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Tamo Isrect One simple question: What makes KOS a coalition member? When they have a ratting 23/7 they don't forget to hate BOB
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:56:00 - [27] Edited by: duckmonster on 24/01/2008 11:56:24 I can't speak for AAA obviously as I'm not a member, but I think they'd agree that whilst they are good buddies with many SoCo members , they are not members by there own choosing. They just have goals and we work together on stuff. Now is the SoCo turning on KOS? No, Goonswarm is still blue RA is still blue (I think) TCF is still blue IAC is still blue (I think) UL is probably blue CVA are just friendly guys (unless your minmitar scum :) ) and so on. but we are also blue to AAA. That does mean we have blues shooting blues. Ultimately you have to ask AAA. AAA don't seem to like too many blues, so I guess they will do what they do. Sort it out with them. Maybe come to an agreement? shrug -----------
Shirokko Papshimar SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs TWISTED INFECTION	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:57:00 - [28] Originally by: thebold Originally by: Rumpelstilski That's a normal consequence when too much of a given alliance's member base spends it's time carebearing and not responding to ctas, no grief there. And I disagree about the accusation regarding RA. We all believe RA to be leaders of the southern coalition. When members of the coalition who are not really members but they are too start disregarding RA declarations which are both absolute and conditional - then something doesn't add up. We are here to try to see what Eve players think is the part that doesn't add up. RA care primarly for there space that has been there home since the dawn of EVE. They also care about people that show types of commitment, loyalty/trust and willing to persevere, as you have said you have great numbers but no one turns up to a CTA... Then you need to show not just RA but others your ability to shed your dead weight and get to grips with your existing corps that want to do things and make change. In theory you could drop your alliance to 5 solid corp membership and build internal power blocks instead of multiple corps for greater numbers. Then when those 5 corps fight there hearts out for something you may find someone more willing to help you out... Until you make any reforms your alliance moral will continue to drop like a lead balloon. Trust me when I say, if a alliance member sees 50 in alliance and 45 in gang and you still can not fight, that alliance member will see that everyone is there with him and he is not alone... the flip side is futile. not being funny mate but that was well said
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Evil Thug Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/01/2008 11:53:38 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry It is hardly rocket science. 1. Everyone enjoys easy fights where they get loads of kills and few losses. We - dont. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 2. Fighting BoB is not easy and is likely to result in significant losses and is guaranteed to result in a lot of lag. We are not afraid of losing ships. For 2 years that we are fighting bob - we inflicted more damage to them, than them to us. At least according to their killboard. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 3. KOS are not very good. They had opportunity to change things. As for reasons. Our reasons are our own. I can say only one thing. KOS members begging for help on those forums - only reinforcing our will to finish you faster. I would be amazed if your average member base would not prefer to go tearing around KOS space getting 20 BS kills for the loss of one ceptor (what most victors like to call a "gf") than it would want to spend all night sitting on the other side of a gate to a big bob fleet lagged to hell and unable to jump in because there are 3 titans there. To be clear, this is not a knock at AAA per se, everyone acts like this. I know that we are always getting complaints from some corp members about our wanting to stay fighting the "alpha pvpers" in BoB and Tortuga rather than setting some nub alliances red and going ganking. For a lot of people they just want a load of kills and donÆt really give much of a rats ass where they get them from. Even RA guys have posted about how they wanted to go fight DMC rather than BoB because they wanted more "interesting" fights.
Crashm8 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Rumpelstilski Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:12:02 Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:11:16 Again.. As I promised in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=689578&page=2#40 We will try to determine why AAA isn't abiding by RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members. I believe this question has a larger political context, so please keep off the spam and smack and say what you think. If need be, more possible answers will be added to the poll as additional answers are already added from subsequent posts on the "AAA taking C3" thread. AAA challenges RA will and global interests? RA didn't really mean it when they said it (that's called a lie, no?) RA really meant what it said, but that deal is off from some time in the past but no one told KOS leadership? It's all a big misunderstanding, AAA isn't a part of southern coalition, funny eh? Did anyone tell RSF? :) What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only Goons, AAA and RA are left What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only RA is left Why don't you just defend your space? Thats what you should do when attacked.

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