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Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Endeva rumpe i told your m8s whats gonna happend and they didnt listen:D first dmc now kos:) and bob is evil:P "Eviction notice : Xelas" rings any bell?
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Endeva rumpe i told your m8s whats gonna happend and they didnt listen:D first dmc now kos:) and bob is evil:P "Eviction notice : Xelas" rings any bell? atleast they got 1week to move stuff:) they didnt found themself in situation where their station services are shooted so they cant do a ****---rings any bell?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Endeva Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Endeva rumpe i told your m8s whats gonna happend and they didnt listen:D first dmc now kos:) and bob is evil:P "Eviction notice : Xelas" rings any bell? atleast they got 1week to move stuff:) they didnt found themself in situation where their station services are shooted so they cant do a **---rings any bell? Check what he said Originally by:** Evil Thug Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 3. KOS are not very good. They had opportunity to change things. Should I ring more?
Corewin Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:36:00 - [64] Last I checked Xelas had only owned one outpost and lived out of NPC stations before the eviction. I fail to see how Xelas who rented from BOB can be comparied to KOS, tho dispite being relatively weak, owns multiple stations and does not rent from anyone. Factoring in KOS's resistence, which is yet to be seen, and the inevitable wait for Sovereighty to drop, KOS has quite alot of time to remove items. C3 may be on the brink of being a lost cause, but none of this will happen in a day.
Endeva Caldari Most Wanted INC	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Endeva Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Endeva rumpe i told your m8s whats gonna happend and they didnt listen:D first dmc now kos:) and bob is evil:P "Eviction notice : Xelas" rings any bell? atleast they got 1week to move stuff:) they didnt found themself in situation where their station services are shooted so they cant do a **---rings any bell? Check what he said Originally by:** Evil Thug Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 3. KOS are not very good. They had opportunity to change things. Should I ring more? and you really believe et? you are so naive. you think that kos wanted fight and if they had opportunity that they wouldnt took it ? haha opportunity - thats only for forum should i ring more? arghh nvm il keep my view for myself you keep yours for yourself . cheers O/
CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:41:00 - [66] 1. I doubt our attack is somehow related with RA "masterplan" :)) We have our own reasons. 2. We had about 55 dreads and 15 carriers/motherships + 140-150 bs\support ships. 3. Ofcoarse bob\mc\anyone else are welcomed to the party.
Corewin Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:43:00 - [67] Originally by: CRUSH3R 1. I doubt our attack is somehow related with RA "masterplan" :)) We have our own reasons. 2. We had about 55 dreads and 15 carriers/motherships + 140-150 bs\support ships. 3. Ofcoarse bob\mc\anyone else are welcomed to the party. Why don't you take your party to them?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:46:00 - [68] Originally by: Corewin Last I checked Xelas had only owned one outpost and lived out of NPC stations before the eviction. I fail... Ok. If you look to my original quote, I quoted a rhetoric argument "BoB is evil" when in fact BoB has done not far from the same in the past. Quit bailing out BoB by pointing the finger at what others do every time there is even a long shot. It doesn't work.
Mr Mozzie Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:48:00 - [69] Originally by: Evil Thug Bob have great history of coordinating with friendly alliances on the battlefield. And if we will take this part of statistic - ratio will be something like 3 : 1. Mc titan cough If we are to include friendly alliances, then perhaps we should add the goons 6,000 kills and 30,000 losses to your 1680 kills and 1485 losses. Anyone can cherry pick data. In truth no single number can hope to describe the complex dynamics of an alliance conflict. Quite simply, you said that the BoB killboard shows that AAA has a greater than one k/d ratio against BoB, so I pointed out the ratio is almost certainly lower if your smaller relative participation is taken into account. I fail to see what is unreasonable about that.
Corewin Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:48:00 - [70] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Corewin Last I checked Xelas had only owned one outpost and lived out of NPC stations before the eviction. I fail... Ok. If you look to my original quote, I quoted a rhetoric argument "BoB is evil" when in fact BoB has done not far from the same in the past. Quit bailing out BoB by pointing the finger at what others do every time there is even a long shot. It doesn't work. I could care less about BOB. The comparison between Xelas and KOS is a failure all of its own.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:51:00 - [71] Said it before, will say it again, <3 -A- One of the few alliances in the game who play the way the game should be played. -MDK Info-
Rumpelstilski Caldari The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:57:00 - [72] Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 15:00:10 It was always an enigma for me, but I guess I'm not experienced enough to make heads and tails out of it. In the 49- titan kill op there were 20-30 KOS in mostly T1 ships - as we all know KOS does, but when all went haywire and AAA opened fire our FC decided to stay and fight. I'm sure all forum dwellers agree such a thing would never have happened if KOS fleet in the system wasn't stronger. Either that or fc was drunk And it went on for some time until IAC opened fire too. I was in pod in c3 minutes later good work iac On the other hand aaa is responsible for much of kos's unwillingness to help coalition ops. I'd guess AAA is a liability as much as it is an asset to coalition forces. It would have been a magnificent sight to see all those dreads pounding on carriers spider-repping shrike... I guess they had better things to do though As they have now while goons fight it and die in Delve and Querious. All those holding space south that are not able to match a fleet of 60 dreads + moms, carriers and titans and are not blue to aaa - I guess you'll see what I mean... No more forum posting for me, time to use up those ships in hangar! Nice talking to you people :) Best regards, Rump
Liam Galagher Savey	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:59:00 - [73] Edited by: Liam Galagher on 24/01/2008 15:00:30 Originally by: Corewin Originally by: CRUSH3R 1. I doubt our attack is somehow related with RA "masterplan" :)) We have our own reasons. 2. We had about 55 dreads and 15 carriers/motherships + 140-150 bs\support ships. 3. Ofcoarse bob\mc\anyone else are welcomed to the party. Why don't you take your party to them? well, sir, if you¦d have looked into the issue more therrow, you¦d recognize that they¦ve taken the fight to the enemy (mc/bob) several times. there are simply some limitations in the game mechanics/server capabilities that make it impossible to perform fleet operations at full scale. so stop wining and take it like a man (c) or just go kill some noobs in low sec ;) that helps to relief some steam. _________________________________________ solo pirating ftw!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:08:00 - [74] Quote: We will try to determine why AAA isn't abiding by RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members. I believe this question has a larger political context Hey why didn't anyone ever tell me about this ban ;O Also since when does the "coalition" have a single leader/alliance capable of or interested in giving orders to the rest ? I think you guys might be a bit confused, but hey that's not really new. Anyways I wouldn't worry too much if I was KOS, AAA are unlikely to be interested in taking all of your stations, just try to hold things together and continue to trim the fat and improve as an alliance, fewer and larger corps is better. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger eh? PS; Quote: This is obvious. According to the "master plan" the RSF will have only 3 big entities: RA, AAA and Goons. The whole South will be rented to farmers, pets or other small insignificant entities, while RA will be slowly chewing the drone regions. Larger entities like KOS, TCF and later IAC will have no future in the RSF. KOS was chosen because it was considered the weakest link. Tortuga guys will be next, then TCF and finally IAC. After that Goons may become a target too, but that is a very wild guess. Sir, the F in RSF stands for TCF, so I must object to TCF being killed before IAC $ http://eve.klaki.net/
Sixtoe Joemuck Beehive Technologies Roids'Are'Us	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Mr Mozzie Originally by: Evil Thug Bob have great history of coordinating with friendly alliances on the battlefield. And if we will take this part of statistic - ratio will be something like 3 : 1. Mc titan cough If we are to include friendly alliances, then perhaps we should add the goons 6,000 kills and 30,000 losses to your 1680 kills and 1485 losses. Anyone can cherry pick data. In truth no single number can hope to describe the complex dynamics of an alliance conflict. Quite simply, you said that the BoB killboard shows that AAA has a greater than one k/d ratio against BoB, so I pointed out the ratio is almost certainly lower if your smaller relative participation is taken into account. I fail to see what is unreasonable about that. AFAIK MC was hired by BoB to fight with BoB as BoB. Only thing GS and AAA has in common is their hate towards BoB. You can't start counting other entities that hasn't really been involved in the other big AAA engagements against BoB+pets. BoB who brings them+ all their pets to blob systems when there's a fight. AAA might bring help from RA if they ask someone for help, the few times they even ask people for help. Btw gratz for the 30k t1 fitted t1 frig kills. As we all know quantity > quality so 30k t1 frigs > Titan As we all see now even BoB started to post in all the CAOD's on the forum to start drama, looks like they trying every method ingame just as KOS trying to save themselves with posting worthless posts to try to make GS or RA to save them or some other guys and make RA and GS look like backstabbers. What has KOS done to anybody except then got alot of space for free to plant all their isk farmers? Even their own alliance members swearing against their other members cause there's just ****loads of isk farmers. If you want to survive and be among the bigboys and having your own 0.0 space and actually have real friends I suggest you guys start bringing your pvp fleet and actually kill something instead of sit in stations and smacktalk all day long. Move to empire and disband or prove yourself being something worth to keep alive,,,, as cannonfodder atleast.
semp Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:13:00 - [76] Edited by: semp on 24/01/2008 15:13:20 Originally by: duckmonster Edited by: duckmonster on 24/01/2008 11:57:42 Edited by: duckmonster on 24/01/2008 11:56:24 I can't speak for AAA obviously as I'm not a member, but I think they'd agree that whilst they are good buddies with many SoCo members , they are not members by there own choosing. They just have goals and we work together on stuff./ Quote: Looks like a duck, Walks like a duck, Its a duck!
Awyn Lothr Idle Miners	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:16:00 - [77] If they kick KOS from 0.0 who will take their space? Who will be the next meatshield to defend that flank?
Littlefox88	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:17:00 - [78] Originally by: Awyn Lothr If they kick KOS from 0.0 who will take their space? Who will be the next meatshield to defend that flank? The angel cartel has got more chances at defending that space.
Corewin Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:18:00 - [79] Sounds like, contribute when we want, get help when we need it... act like a gangsta shooting 5 year olds if either don't apply. ahh the glory of battle.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:23:00 - [80] Originally by: Mr Mozzie Originally by: Evil Thug Bob have great history of coordinating with friendly alliances on the battlefield. And if we will take this part of statistic - ratio will be something like 3 : 1. Mc titan cough If we are to include friendly alliances, then perhaps we should add the goons 6,000 kills and 30,000 losses to your 1680 kills and 1485 losses. Anyone can cherry pick data. In truth no single number can hope to describe the complex dynamics of an alliance conflict. Quite simply, you said that the BoB killboard shows that AAA has a greater than one k/d ratio against BoB, so I pointed out the ratio is almost certainly lower if your smaller relative participation is taken into account. I fail to see what is unreasonable about that. It was bob, who relyed on 10+ pet allainces, not aAa. Ask your leadership for history lessons. And if we include all loses from pet alliances, when they fought in bob gangs against us - ratio will be even worse for you. Now stop trolling and get more kills please.
Uncle Rukus C.R.E.A.M.E.	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:26:00 - [81] Maybe KOS is the warmup fight to a bigger opponent. I heard rumors of them almost resetting standings to IAC when they started to crumble a few months ago..if they were true or not, who knows. The one thing about AAA, they seem to do whatever they want when they want, should be interesting to see what they wind up doing.
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:29:00 - [82] man none cares for whatever your alliance name is.... get over it and join goons. We Ride Together We Die Together
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:31:00 - [83] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hey why didn't anyone ever tell me about this ban ;O Also since when does the "coalition" have a single leader/alliance capable of or interested in giving orders to the rest ? I think you guys might be a bit confused, but hey that's not really new. Nah dude, we're like the GBC, Nync is molle and the rest are pets and obey every stupid order They don't understand what a "coalition" means. We're all still sovereign entities who have their own ambitions and ideas. Perhaps this is what makes us stronger than the GBC. Not relying soely on one old HVAC repairman to decide all our faiths
Corewin Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Evil Thug It was bob, who relyed on 10+ pet allainces, not aAa. Ask your leadership for history lessons. And if we include all loses from pet alliances, when they fought in bob gangs against us - ratio will be even worse for you. Now stop trolling and get more kills please. Why don't you do something about BOB then Thug. You want to preach about how badass AAA is, but your only shooting at KOS.
Jadzia Blue Department of Truth Enhancement	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:34:00 - [85] Yes, but the chestbeating from KOS members saying that they deserve to be in 0.0 has now reached the "Proof or STFU" stage.
Arriadna Gallente Night Guards	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:41:00 - [86] omg.. ebil russkie tovarischi killing us!!! who is next??? why Chuck Norris and governor of Califronia didn't save us!?!?
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:43:00 - [87] KOS is terrible, so much so it's insulting to even be associated with them. They don't contribute anything to the war and fail at even the most simple of tasks (see: taking the RIT triangle). If AAA wants to start wiping out the members of the coalition that pledged support to get standings only to turn around and contribute jack-****, all the more power to them.
Hey You Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:44:00 - [88] Originally by: Sixtoe Joemuck Btw gratz for the 30k t1 fitted t1 frig kills. As we all know quantity > quality so 30k t1 frigs > Titan Man if you seriously believe goons fit T1 and drive only T1 frigs u need a reality check. Or a doctor. Only times goons fly t1 and t1 frigs is when they realize they cant do anything of importance to someone and then they make it a suicide t1 frig op. just about as last night when their towers were popping right left and center. GG AAA and have fun. Its what eve is about in first place. We Ride Together We Die Together
Slayton Ford STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:45:00 - [89] KOS hasn't always been a good neighbor though. When asked to take down a tower in another alliances space, they refused to do it until it was reinforced. Additionally, why does AAA pick on KOS? Well you have a democratic alliance (which really doesnt work well in eve) being attacked by an alliance with a leader named Evil Thug. You figure it out... --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
VileLust Minmatar The humble Crew Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:50:00 - [90] Originally by: Rumpelstilski Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:12:02 Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:11:16 Again.. As I promised in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=689578&page=2#40 We will try to determine why AAA isn't abiding by RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members. I believe this question has a larger political context, so please keep off the spam and smack and say what you think. If need be, more possible answers will be added to the poll as additional answers are already added from subsequent posts on the "AAA taking C3" thread. AAA challenges RA will and global interests? RA didn't really mean it when they said it (that's called a lie, no?) RA really meant what it said, but that deal is off from some time in the past but no one told KOS leadership? It's all a big misunderstanding, AAA isn't a part of southern coalition, funny eh? Did anyone tell RSF? :) What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only Goons, AAA and RA are left What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only RA is left AAA has not really joined in the southern war for quite some time. I think this is more out of respect for the enemy, and wanting FIGHTS not pos war. I'm sure if BoB kicks at their dooor they would be down in a flash. And do you really think RA wants all of EVE? lol. If they wanted your space, if any of us wanted your space, we would take it. They are attacking you because KoS is weak, and the only way to change that is to pound away until you guys learn how to fight back. IAC did this for what, a week ? and people cried, many left KoS. It was a turkey shoot - and we were just out for a quick PVP fix. How you guys EVER had 0.0 space is just beyond me, but tbh I really hope you fall over with AAA's pesky raids. Otherwise? get better and fight back, learn how to play the game at the alliance level. FFS IAC, the drunk warriors of eve known for suicidal tactics, were able to walk up and down your home systems all day. KoS is the same, not really in this war, thus, why not fight a bit? 0.0 is for pvp, not wimps. RA banned pos war???? what are you on about ? rofl....

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