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touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:50:00 - [91] -A- are cool guys. However I can't see this as badass, it's an oppertunistic attack. They know the coalition is too scared to lose them so won't say a word. -A- are clever they know that and are reaping the advantages of being an indispensable member of the coalition. Remember when we attacked You What apparently it was purposly picking on the weak to look stronger. Well I am sorry but this is no different. However the comments from the largest alliance in game are somewhat different. There's that fear of losing -A- I was talking about. Have fun -A- also leave that stupid napfestapalooza. You are too good to be limited so much. ----------
Aston Gulliver Gallente Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:51:00 - [92] Originally by: Slayton Ford KOS hasn't always been a good neighbor though. When asked to take down a tower in another alliances space, they refused to do it until it was reinforced. Additionally, why does AAA pick on KOS? Well you have a democratic alliance (which really doesnt work well in eve) being attacked by an alliance with a leader named Evil Thug. You figure it out... I wish it was that easy Slayton. The rift goes a bit back, were a certain member of the KOS leadership had a personal issue with a AAA leader, and I'm sure vice versa. Needless to say, some people are just too prideful to make amends, which leaves KOS in the position it is currently in. As a former member of KOS (yes I begrudgingly admit this) I wish the few friends I have still in KOS the best of luck. Its not news though that this one should be over quickly with a moderate level of resistance.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:54:00 - [93] Edited by: Laboratus on 24/01/2008 15:54:53 meh ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:54:00 - [94] Originally by: touchvill Remember when we attacked You What apparently it was purposly picking on the weak to look stronger. Well I am sorry but this is no different. Except, you know, -A- doesn't have to prove anything. clp
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:00:00 - [95] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: touchvill Remember when we attacked You What apparently it was purposly picking on the weak to look stronger. Well I am sorry but this is no different. Except, you know, -A- doesn't have to prove anything. They do in my books. Every alliance has to prove themselves. ----------
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:08:00 - [96] Originally by: touchvill They do in my books. Every alliance has to prove themselves. What did attacking CVA prove?
Jadzia Blue Department of Truth Enhancement	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:08:00 - [97] Originally by: touchvill They do in my books. Every alliance has to prove themselves. GJ w/ CVA.
Flashh Gorden Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:11:00 - [98] Originally by: StealthRavenx I personally hate the fact that we as an entity can't mount even a respectable defense twords -A-. We never got rid of the ****loads of carebears and farmers before it was too late. The dedicated players saw this coming, but internal issues and meltdowns made it all the more impossible to recover. Respect to -A- for bringing it, and sorry we can't offer some fun pewpew, but some of us are going to go down fighting, even it it means loosing everything. StealthRavenx The Taining Corp This is the very reason why they are attacking you. With all due respect KOS are not in the same league as AAA/RA/Goons. In my opinion it was only a matter of time before one of these much larger entities decided to help themselves to your space. Quite simply your real estate is the cheapest option given the price they would have to pay for BOBs. I spent a short time in KOS space, while on contract against RISE and flew with some of your members so I wish you the best of luck.
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:11:00 - [99] Originally by: Popperr Originally by: touchvill They do in my books. Every alliance has to prove themselves. What did attacking CVA prove? It proved that you guys whine and cry a lot when you can't ubber gank our caps. It proved how much worse the south napfest is to the north. It proved that killing over 30 caps and nearly 900 battleships in a month is considered a fail. It proved many things. Non of them really matter in the grand scheme of things. We are paper tigers, we always have been and we always will be. ----------
III LightBringer Okkelen Grave Robbers	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:13:00 - [100] Originally by: Rumpelstilski Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:12:02 Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:11:16 Again.. As I promised in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=689578&page=2#40 We will try to determine why AAA isn't abiding by RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members. I believe this question has a larger political context, so please keep off the spam and smack and say what you think. If need be, more possible answers will be added to the poll as additional answers are already added from subsequent posts on the "AAA taking C3" thread. AAA challenges RA will and global interests? RA didn't really mean it when they said it (that's called a lie, no?) RA really meant what it said, but that deal is off from some time in the past but no one told KOS leadership? It's all a big misunderstanding, AAA isn't a part of southern coalition, funny eh? Did anyone tell RSF? :) What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only Goons, AAA and RA are left What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only RA is left Ehh? Didn't some KOS gang shoot an AAA tower to start this? I am fairly sure I read a post somewhere about KOS shooting some AAA cynotower. Reason I remember is that there where 250 goons that wanted to go kill KOS. It was all over these boards, somewhere. Rumpelstilski : you fail.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:22:00 - [101] Originally by: touchvill It proved how much worse the south napfest is to the north. oh that depends on a persons particular point of view.. To me it's just more ppl to shoot at, which is much better _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Andra Muse EtE Clan	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:28:00 - [102] It's natural selection. It's always happened and it always will. Survival of the fittest. unless KoS seriously gets it's fleets and acts together it will fall in the next 5 months. And might even qualify for a darwin award.
Silvestri Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:28:00 - [103] Originally by: Evil Thug Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/01/2008 11:53:38 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry It is hardly rocket science. 1. Everyone enjoys easy fights where they get loads of kills and few losses. We - dont. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 2. Fighting BoB is not easy and is likely to result in significant losses and is guaranteed to result in a lot of lag. We are not afraid of losing ships. For 2 years that we are fighting bob - we inflicted more damage to them, than them to us. At least according to their killboard. Originally by: Fitz Chivalry 3. KOS are not very good. They had opportunity to change things. As for reasons. Our reasons are our own. I can say only one thing. KOS members begging for help on those forums - only reinforcing our will to finish you faster. And that is how it should be spoken....respect.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:36:00 - [104] Originally by: III LightBringer Originally by: Rumpelstilski Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:12:02 Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 24/01/2008 11:11:16 Again.. As I promised in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=689578&page=2#40 We will try to determine why AAA isn't abiding by RA's ban on sov warfare between southern coalition members. I believe this question has a larger political context, so please keep off the spam and smack and say what you think. If need be, more possible answers will be added to the poll as additional answers are already added from subsequent posts on the "AAA taking C3" thread. AAA challenges RA will and global interests? RA didn't really mean it when they said it (that's called a lie, no?) RA really meant what it said, but that deal is off from some time in the past but no one told KOS leadership? It's all a big misunderstanding, AAA isn't a part of southern coalition, funny eh? Did anyone tell RSF? :) What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only Goons, AAA and RA are left What RA really meant in fine print is (which also is kinda not honest) - "no picking on coalition members unless they are the weakest link in the coalition" and do so until only RA is left Ehh? Didn't some KOS gang shoot an AAA tower to start this? I am fairly sure I read a post somewhere about KOS shooting some AAA cynotower. Reason I remember is that there where 250 goons that wanted to go kill KOS. It was all over these boards, somewhere. Rumpelstilski : you fail. Backwards, they came and shot a tower of ours in the system adjacent to c3. We had a good fleet that night tbh. 300 strong in total in the end.
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.24 16:47:00 - [105] Edited by: Khorian on 24/01/2008 16:47:35 Is this a disguised: "OMG aAa please help us against the evil BoB, we are not enough yet so we need your help." I think Thug is either smart enough to wait and pick up the pieces when it's over, or he actually has some principles when it comes to lynch mob mentality and won't sink low enough to join in on that. At least not full time. Yet :) PS.: Or he just doesn't like mega blobs. ---
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:09:00 - [106] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 24/01/2008 17:11:22 Originally by: Rumpelstilski It's all a big misunderstanding, AAA isn't a part of southern coalition, funny eh? Did anyone tell RSF? :) RSF is RSF, IAAAC is another coalition, Tortuga is a third. I guess AAA, according to their nap history, don't like many blue so they set you +'s for say 2 monthes, you though it was 2 years and then this. KOS was at war with them before summer, rigth ? I'm pretty sure that when the south blob win against Bob, AAA will set the blob in the -'s. If it's a problem, swarm them in T1 fregates/T1 cruisers, it won't be much of a financial loss. And "crying" on the forum won't help construct you a diplomacy and an aura... I don't understand kos's leaders, your PR/politic is illogic. Stop saying things to everybody on the forums, act. KOS is part of the alliances who have a image problem. Then... Act against this. And stop talking about that here, man, it's clumsy... ppl want results on CAOD, a "dude, we have problems" is asking a flame IMHO. Is kos is officially asking help ? RSF is not a puppetmaster, we don't have to protect allies against themselves. I see this irl (as a french) like when UK fighted Argentina tbh. => hf ? (btw, my point of vue only, not TCF's) 2isk
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:16:00 - [107] AAA mostly wants to disassociate enough from the Coalition to be seen as a separate force. They did this a few times before already. I don't think ET wants to share glory KOS were only kept alive because the Coalition needed vassal states to hold onto that part of space, and funded them externally. Otherwise plasmalord and that other guy who hangs with him are some of the most incompetent alliance leaders out there. _______________________________ Complex Fullerene Shards; why God? :\|
Aston Gulliver Gallente Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:24:00 - [108] Originally by: DigitalCommunist AAA mostly wants to disassociate enough from the Coalition to be seen as a separate force. They did this a few times before already. I don't think ET wants to share glory KOS were only kept alive because the Coalition needed vassal states to hold onto that part of space, and funded them externally. Otherwise plasmalord and that other guy who hangs with him are some of the most incompetent alliance leaders out there. His name is Shnooker. If you are going to slam him like that, at least do him the service of not calling him "that other guy".
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:25:00 - [109] Call me when KOS contributes more than AAA has to the war. Other than that, don't care.
XiticiX Gallente Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:37:00 - [110] AAA were great fun to shoot at when they came and harassed KOS. I enjoyed that part when I was with KOS. Hate to say it, but it was bound to turn out this way. Just too much ISK to be made in those systems to ignore by AAA, I'm afraid. Good luck KOS - put up the good fight. ~~~ This is my sig. Do you like it? ~~~
Mr Mozzie Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 17:45:00 - [111] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 24/01/2008 17:46:57 Originally by: Evil Thug It was bob, who relyed on 10+ pet allainces, not aAa. Ask your leadership for history lessons. And if we include all loses from pet alliances, when they fought in bob gangs against us - ratio will be even worse for you. Now stop trolling and get more kills please. Of course it is unreasonable to including goons in your k:d ratio, as is including an MC titan in BoB's losses when lost exclusively due to the carelessness of its non bob pilot. I had a closer look at the killboard, and I still stand by what I initially said. If you include participation ratios, then your k/d ratio vs BoB will be drawn down and you will be in deficit. Having had a closer look, it does appear that BoB's partitipation rate is at the lower end of my estimate, around 80%. I would say that AAA's participation is still around 50%, maybe 60%. There are quite a few kills where there are 15-20 pilots and only a handful of AAA, this tends not to happen for BoB. The k/d ratio appears to be somewhere from 0.7:1 to 0.85:1. You can not realistically have your cake and eat it too. If you want to include pilots from BoB allies when they fought in BoB gangs against you, then you must do the same for your allies when they fought with you. And that is my final say.
Freaken Stain R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:03:00 - [112] It is right time to know the whole truth about what happening. As you alreasy know AAA attacks KoS and as i see you have some questions, ok, lets start from the beginning. I was a secret dbl agent in Russia, Kreml, working with couple other agents to steal top-secret documentation about 10/10 plexes, which still existing in RA space anyhow. "The Iceland dude" - my boss (noone knows his real name) gave me a mission to find how exactly russians exploiting the game, but i find something real BIG, SCARE and HOROBLE! When i was talking to mister Putin (as russian secret agent trying to find top-secret Iceland documents about 10/10 plexes which still existing in BoB space anyhow), he told me that Kreml want to bring USSR back, and this "10/10" mission is only a cover for real job. - "So, my dear comrade, as you can see this is a realy hard mission and only YOU can complete it, i belive." - he said. - "I understand Mr. President." Then he told me some things, that i can't write here even now, when my life actually is over after this post, couse it's to hard to accept... In a few words what will happen: 1st:RSF and allies will set BoB blue after NOL dinning with exchange of all plexes, and blueprints of lag-machine including last researches of it from BoB side. 2nd:GS will open theit main secret, that they are The World Goverment. 3rd:After Mr. Medvedev replace Mr. Putin as a presedent of Russian Federation - China, S&N Korea, Venesuela, and Cuba will reset their standings to "1st World countries" including Georgia. The 3rd WW will start. So, "why KoS!!!!11one" you ask me. BECOUSE RUSSIANS JUST LIKES TO BACKSTABING EVERYONE!
Mips Nig The Lost Prophets Euro Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:27:00 - [113] For some reason I was able to understand Freaken Stain's post. Man I feel jipped.
munchy Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:29:00 - [114] oh noes oh noes why is no one coming to help KOS? they have shown how loyal they are in the past!!... oh wait. ---
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:32:00 - [115] Originally by: Rumpelstilski Goonswarm has demonstrated no will to defend KOS in it's space. this right here, thats why you don't deserve to be defended, anyone who expects others to do their fighting for them doesn't deserve to hold their space. ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:41:00 - [116] Originally by: Freaken Stain It is right time to know the whole truth about what happening. As you alreasy know AAA attacks KoS and as i see you have some questions, ok, lets start from the beginning. I was a secret dbl agent in Russia, Kreml, working with couple other agents to steal top-secret documentation about 10/10 plexes, which still existing in RA space anyhow. "The Iceland dude" - my boss (noone knows his real name) gave me a mission to find how exactly russians exploiting the game, but i find something real BIG, SCARE and HOROBLE! When i was talking to mister Putin (as russian secret agent trying to find top-secret Iceland documents about 10/10 plexes which still existing in BoB space anyhow), he told me that Kreml want to bring USSR back, and this "10/10" mission is only a cover for real job. - "So, my dear comrade, as you can see this is a realy hard mission and only YOU can complete it, i belive." - he said. - "I understand Mr. President." Then he told me some things, that i can't write here even now, when my life actually is over after this post, couse it's to hard to accept... In a few words what will happen: 1st:RSF and allies will set BoB blue after NOL dinning with exchange of all plexes, and blueprints of lag-machine including last researches of it from BoB side. 2nd:GS will open theit main secret, that they are The World Goverment. 3rd:After Mr. Medvedev replace Mr. Putin as a presedent of Russian Federation - China, S&N Korea, Venesuela, and Cuba will reset their standings to "1st World countries" including Georgia. The 3rd WW will start. So, "why KoS!!!!11one" you ask me. BECOUSE RUSSIANS JUST LIKES TO BACKSTABING EVERYONE! lol best post in a long while
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.24 18:51:00 - [117] How exactly are we supposed to defend you anyway? 1) We're kinda busy fighting bob. 2) They are blue 3) You are blue. 4) So we can't shoot them and we can't shoot you so wtf. Do we just anchor so many large bubbles that aAa gets tired of burning out and goes home? 5) Like others have said the coalition is...a coalition. There is not a controlling alliance. 6) AFAIK, aAa has never been a member of the main coalition. They are allies of some coalition members, they are pretty chill brosefs, they are pretty ******* scary, but they've never accepted the full coalation NAP list. .
Rumpelstilski Caldari The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:22:00 - [118] I immediately do the disclaimer "my views don't represent..." etc etc and I add to it the "I'm really a noob here, so please correct me because I surely got something wrong" disclaimer too when I ask the next question. How much help do Goons have from the russians now that RA's attention is increasingly shifting into drone regions and AAA's sights are set on killing gangs that move to support you in Fortress Delve? Fighting in Delve going well and all on schedule, yes? No one will cry for KOS space, not even KOS and please disregard everything I said until and if this scenario happens again to some other minor 0.0 power like b-out or venom. KOS incident doesn't really qualify as a "precedent", but you might call it a precedent if it happens again, and then please remember this post. Goons just might find their caps quite decimated and the south all lonely and without many friends with aaa spread through 3-4 regions when fightings stop in Delve. A time for a standing reset will probably come. If you do get into trouble (AAA can give anyone a bloody nose at least) RA will probably help you against AAA, though, so you needn't worry. Please note my deep respect for AAA, their pvp, logistic and leadership, too. They deserve it and those who don't believe those guys will go far are sorely mistaken I'll just go tackle something now before I get embarrased :) Rump
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:24:00 - [119] Edited by: Metal Dude on 24/01/2008 19:26:42 Since when did ET need an excuse to shoot anybody? RAT/AAA are just a RA wing that does the job that RA does not want to take blame for. Always was. The truth will set you free
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 19:47:00 - [120] Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 24/01/2008 19:30:15 Since when did ET need an excuse to shoot anybody? Besides, RAT/AAA are just a RA wing that does the job that RA does not want to take blame for. Always was. Reminds me a lot of things :p I predict ET posting that there is absolutly no link between RA and AAA very soonÖ.

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