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Dark Renker
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Posted - 2008.01.24 20:52:00 -
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If you could choose any Recon ship for solo/small gang pvp, which one would you go for and why??
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Goshinko
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.01.24 21:09:00 -
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Tough choice between Falcon and Rapier.
 Originally by: IHeartYou
However, Crows seem to suit me best because it's just so much fun to toy with your target, then own them with your 150-200dps.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.24 21:28:00 -
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I refuse to decloak my recon in this thread because the winner will most likely get nerfed.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its placement? |
Nhi'Khuna
Strife Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 21:47:00 -
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Curse... Still the Curse. So many folks talk about how this Recon sucks now post Nos, Sensor Damp and supposed Drone nerfs but it still rocks.
Great dps for it's class of ship, fast, can be fit up relatively cheaply or pimped and even passive ships find it a pain to have their cap drained as much as the Curse does.
Even cap boosted ships are going to have a hard time outlasting the Curse's cap draining ability if in the hands of a pilot who knows how to manage their cap properly.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Bloody Red
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.01.24 22:20:00 -
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for small pvp falcon
solo I'd have to say curse.
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Yoko Lee
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Posted - 2008.01.24 22:23:00 -
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Pilgrim
oki this ship need a boost, but i love this ship.
Falcon i loved it, now too much stronger then i hate it
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.24 23:51:00 -
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Lachesis ! Just kidding...
Originally by: ivan draco
we didnt want your post anyway
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Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
for small pvp falcon
solo I'd have to say curse.
This i dont understand, and someone enlighten me, but why are people picking a curse to fly for solo instead of a sacrilege?
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Insidi Us
Amarr
Suicidal Mercenaries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:10:00 -
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Rapier. Your targets when solo are limited in size, and usually people make things go faster the smaller they are, therefore the web bonus is pure win. Ability to use cov ops II cloaker is pure win. When in a gang there is always something worth webbing, and vaga pilots do not like rapiers at all, and seeing a ship that gets so many whinetards talking about it running away from you at first sight is an epeen boosts. Epeen boosts are pure win.
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Pan Zhu'Liang
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
for small pvp falcon
solo I'd have to say curse.
This i dont understand, and someone enlighten me, but why are people picking a curse to fly for solo instead of a sacrilege?
because this thread is about recons and the sac is a heavy assault cruiser.
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Insidi Us
Amarr
Suicidal Mercenaries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:10:00 -
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Edited by: Insidi Us on 25/01/2008 02:10:38
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
This i dont understand, and someone enlighten me, but why are people picking a curse to fly for solo instead of a sacrilege?
Because a Sac isn't a recon, which is what the OP's title asked for.
Edit: Ninja'd at the same time!
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Amira Shadowsong
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Insidi Us
Edited by: Insidi Us on 25/01/2008 02:10:38
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
This i dont understand, and someone enlighten me, but why are people picking a curse to fly for solo instead of a sacrilege?
Because a Sac isn't a recon, which is what the OP's title asked for.
Edit: Ninja'd at the same time!
This was more directed to the people who prefer a curse as a solo ship instead of a sacri, Im wondering why. So? Is there any reason to pick a curse?
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Eclip
SUBLIME L.L.C.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:52:00 -
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well because in a sac ur trying to break their tank with ur 400-450dps max skilled missiles plus drone which mos nano sac's dont even deploy. Where as the curse u are removing their ability to tank by crippling their cap. yeah it only does crappy dps with its 5 medium T2 drones like what 220-240dps but u cripple their ability to tank what so ever.
The best recon is still the curse there isnt a ship that ppl are scared of more. Plus they are cheaper now that not many ppl know how to fly them properly :P makes teh wallet go a little further
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.25 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
I refuse to decloak my recon in this thread because the winner will most likely get nerfed.
This.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Insomnium
Minmatar
the united
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.25 04:33:00 -
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nano'd huginn... Helllooooo Irony.
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Nhi'Khuna
Strife Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
for small pvp falcon
solo I'd have to say curse.
This i dont understand, and someone enlighten me, but why are people picking a curse to fly for solo instead of a sacrilege?
Likely because in the curse you dictate the terms of the engagement, whereas, like most armor tankers that aren't going quickly, with the Sac once your in you are in it for the long haul and you aren't likely coming out until someone is dead.
In the Curse you've a much better chance of bugging out or maneuvering beyond their weapon range before you are caught and dead. And with 2xLSEIIs you get a hefty buffer on the shields to ensure your survivability.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:49:00 -
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Rapier
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:00:00 -
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Pilgrim, because its the only ship I have the skills to fly.
Seriously 
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Don Dada
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:52:00 -
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I can't choose cos I love them both - Rapier & Curse.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:00:00 -
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Solo: Huginn. Nanos up nice, does a good dps, and ... long range webbing.
Small gang... depends how small. Falcons are quite good gang support, but they suffer from 'ultra pitiful dps' syndrome. So... *shrug* probably a huginn too. Or maybe a rapier.
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:25:00 -
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My favorite Recon is the one whos' wreck I'm salvaging/looting.
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Borasao
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
for small pvp falcon
solo I'd have to say curse.
This i dont understand, and someone enlighten me, but why are people picking a curse to fly for solo instead of a sacrilege?
Because the Curse is a Recon and the Sacrilege is a HAC... and the question was asked "What's your favorite Recon?", not "What's your favorite HAC?"
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar
54th Knights Templar
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:54:00 -
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If I'm going solo I'll flee the second I see a curse on scanner :P Unless I have good reason to think the pilot sucks :)
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon
If I'm going solo I'll flee the second I see a curse on scanner :P Unless I have good reason to think the pilot sucks :)
Which is exactly why it is not a good ship - because no one wants to fight it. You jump into a system and everybody starts running around like chickens with their heads cut off - safespots, cloaks, logoffski, station, turn off computer and hide under bed, etc.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
by the way you keep on missing the "a" from pwn, do you need any help with its placement? |
Shiodome
Caldari
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:10:00 -
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falcon, because when you absolutely must annoy as many opponents as possible then dissapear before the consequeces... this is the tool for the job. and my character being 'special forces' it feels like the most in character ship possible.
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Wayward Hooligan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:16:00 -
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Pilgrim because, in theory, it fits my preferred play style perfectly.
Sadly the ship, like many Amarr boats, has a number of small issues which combine to make it very hard to use.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon
If I'm going solo I'll flee the second I see a curse on scanner :P Unless I have good reason to think the pilot sucks :)
Which is exactly why it is not a good ship - because no one wants to fight it. You jump into a system and everybody starts running around like chickens with their heads cut off - safespots, cloaks, logoffski, station, turn off computer and hide under bed, etc.
By that logic, the Ferox is the most awesome ship in EVE...
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar
54th Knights Templar
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon
If I'm going solo I'll flee the second I see a curse on scanner :P Unless I have good reason to think the pilot sucks :)
Which is exactly why it is not a good ship - because no one wants to fight it. You jump into a system and everybody starts running around like chickens with their heads cut off - safespots, cloaks, logoffski, station, turn off computer and hide under bed, etc.
By that logic, the Ferox is the most awesome ship in EVE...
People run from a Ferox?
Or do you mean you can awesomely fit it and people will just offhandedly attack it expecting to loot a wreck and get surprised?
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Benglada
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.26 00:13:00 -
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Huginnnn
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Originally by: Arkanor
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Katy Karkinoff
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Posted - 2008.01.26 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shiodome
falcon, because when you absolutely must annoy as many opponents as possible then dissapear before the consequeces... this is the tool for the job. and my character being 'special forces' it feels like the most in character ship possible.
i was special forces, and i see the lachesis as filling that role, but it sux still my favorite tho (cmon baby, praying for an un-nerf)
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2008.01.26 02:05:00 -
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curse = very strong and questionable when it comes to gamebalance due to slot and weaponsystems layout. the ship uses its highs and meds for ew and its lows for speed tanking it can attack from almost 40km with its capdrain and it is extremeley hard to counter with ecm and impossible with damps. it uses turretdisruptors which are deadly vs the most damaging ships in eve. and its weapon system can only be affected by either smartbombs or missle systems.
pilgrim = similar to curse.
huggin and rapier = also very strong ships. however cant counter amarr recons due to capdrain from almost 40km by the enemy. dps are dealt by conventional weapons and some drones. overall dps are same as the amarr recons but rely on charges (cargospace) and tracking. dont have bonused ew vs direct fire like missles or turrets. have the option of countering speed fitted ships thus have an very good niche in combat.
arazu and lachesis = are strong vs snipers but utterly weak vs ships fighting at med ranges of ~40km possesing long sensor ranges. they posses the only ew which cant affect the enemy for the duration of a whole fight. the range reduction doesnt work vs reconship due to high base targeting ranges and the resolution script option only affect the targeted ship for a very limited amout of time. the dps are dealt by conventional weapons like turrets and missles and drones. the weapons need charges and can be affected by enemy ew. my facit is that ccp should take another look into them. the damp nerf was indeed needed but the ships lost a lil too much of their Oooomph(tm) with the recent patch.
falcon and rook = never used em so far so ill not comment on them. however mates where very successful with them utilizing ecm and assorted ecm boosting rigs etc.
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all in all i think that every shipclass has its best ships. amarr totally take the recon trophy back home when it comes to solo performance.
amarr recons are unbeatable when it comes to cap killing, dps dealing and dmg evasion ability. they perform very good in all of this sections and if its fair or not is imo in question. however all the recons are suited for specific situations but some of this situations are rare and some are very comon.
in another respect i dont think that ccps approach to give recons total supreority on the battlefield is wise. ew ships should be strong on the ew dealing side but they shouldnt be invincible on the ew receiving side. their targeting range and sensor strenght makes it almost impossible to counter em with their own medcine which imo isnt good as recon vs recon fights should at least be an even and fair game.
this is my opinion. whats yours?
(disclaimer: to flame, whine, troll, insult me for my opinion causes me to never paying regard to ur comments again until the marry day of ur withdrawal from eve community and in that case ill ask u now beforehand "can i have ur stuff?")
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Dalen III
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.01.26 04:10:00 -
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The damps ships needs some sort of synergy with ECM ships. Originaly damps where ******** so a combined role could be interesting.
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MACK TEN
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Reto
curse = very strong and questionable when it comes to gamebalance due to slot and weaponsystems layout. the ship uses its highs and meds for ew and its lows for speed tanking it can attack from almost 40km with its capdrain and it is extremeley hard to counter with ecm and impossible with damps. it uses turretdisruptors which are deadly vs the most damaging ships in eve. and its weapon system can only be affected by either smartbombs or missle systems.
pilgrim = similar to curse.
huggin and rapier = also very strong ships. however cant counter amarr recons due to capdrain from almost 40km by the enemy. dps are dealt by conventional weapons and some drones. overall dps are same as the amarr recons but rely on charges (cargospace) and tracking. dont have bonused ew vs direct fire like missles or turrets. have the option of countering speed fitted ships thus have an very good niche in combat.
arazu and lachesis = are strong vs snipers but utterly weak vs ships fighting at med ranges of ~40km possesing long sensor ranges. they posses the only ew which cant affect the enemy for the duration of a whole fight. the range reduction doesnt work vs reconship due to high base targeting ranges and the resolution script option only affect the targeted ship for a very limited amout of time. the dps are dealt by conventional weapons like turrets and missles and drones. the weapons need charges and can be affected by enemy ew. my facit is that ccp should take another look into them. the damp nerf was indeed needed but the ships lost a lil too much of their Oooomph(tm) with the recent patch.
falcon and rook = never used em so far so ill not comment on them. however mates where very successful with them utilizing ecm and assorted ecm boosting rigs etc.
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all in all i think that every shipclass has its best ships. amarr totally take the recon trophy back home when it comes to solo performance.
amarr recons are unbeatable when it comes to cap killing, dps dealing and dmg evasion ability. they perform very good in all of this sections and if its fair or not is imo in question. however all the recons are suited for specific situations but some of this situations are rare and some are very comon.
in another respect i dont think that ccps approach to give recons total supreority on the battlefield is wise. ew ships should be strong on the ew dealing side but they shouldnt be invincible on the ew receiving side. their targeting range and sensor strenght makes it almost impossible to counter em with their own medcine which imo isnt good as recon vs recon fights should at least be an even and fair game.
this is my opinion. whats yours?
(disclaimer: to flame, whine, troll, insult me for my opinion causes me to never paying regard to ur comments again until the marry day of ur withdrawal from eve community and in that case ill ask u now beforehand "can i have ur stuff?")
QFT - awesome post mate.
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