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testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:40:00 - [1] So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:42:00 - [2] troll much? 1/10 due to effort and overused topic. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:43:00 - [3] Because the Caldari battleships had a long range mid dps weapon system, and a looooong range low dps weapon system. Now in keeping with other races they have a close range very high DPS weapon system and a long range low dps weapon system.
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:44:00 - [4] Actually I can count on my hands the whole sum of post's I've made since 2005 when I started playing this game.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:45:00 - [5] Originally by: testtest123123 Actually I can count on my hands the whole sum of post's I've made since 2005 when I started playing this game. Well if you tell your mum she might give you a cookie for the counting but the post is still poorly constructed, lacking new discussion content and worded like a troll. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:46:00 - [6] What ever dude, I don't give a rats. $%$%$ what you think about how my post is constructed. Sure you weren't trolling for a flame?
asdfasfasaxfsdgfhds	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:52:00 - [7] Caldari already had a short range high damage weapons system, thier called blasters or rails.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:54:00 - [8] Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? Mhh. Thats a hard one. Mhhhhh. Oh i have it: maybe because torps now do more damage from 0 to 45km than any other shortrange weapon system? Does that sound plausible?
Letava Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:54:00 - [9] Whine whine whine. Can I have 30km range for my Blasterthron? -----------------------
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:56:00 - [10] Originally by: testtest123123 What ever dude, I don't give a rats. $%$%$ what you think about how my post is constructed. Sure you weren't trolling for a flame? So you don't care how your post puts across a point of view? Why are you posting in a forum? --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Krell Vashari Caldari Krell Korp	Posted - 2008.01.26 00:56:00 - [11] Have you noticed however, that NPCs still have the old range but with now heavier damage? Originally by: MsMephistopheles If I could afford to come to fanfest I probably would buy you a beer just to throw it at you..
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:00:00 - [12] Cruise are perfectly adequate for mission-tarting. There is no mission a Cruise-fitted Raven cannot easily complete. It's actually faster for a lot of the BC/Cruiser heavy ones. So sorry your cookie-cutter torp raven needs a little adaptation, but on the bright side, the Raven is now a very viable PvP ship with very high DPS. And as a bonus Arby Seige are now silly cheap. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Letava Whine whine whine. Can I have 30km range for my Blasterthron? /signed :3 for the lulz ------------------------------------------------- Attention Devs, for every isk you send me one member of your family will be returned safely.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:03:00 - [14] Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills. Missions: Fit cruise. PVP: Warp to scout. /thread Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:08:00 - [15] Quote: So you don't care how your post puts across a point of view? Why are you posting in a forum? No I don't care what people like you think, who feel the need to be smug and condesending behind a keyboard. Your little rating at the bottom of your reply, (1/10) really proves my point about you. I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:11:00 - [16] Originally by: testtest123123 Stuff ________________
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:13:00 - [17] Originally by: testtest123123 I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight. Heres a cookie cutter setup that tanks like a beast and pwns hard at close range. 6 Siege 2 med nuet 1 heavy cap injector 1 xl booster 3 hardners and 1 warp dis or drop the warp dis for 4 hardners with ample tackling support. 3 bcs II 1 dc II 1 pds 3 resist rigs 5 ecm med drones and 5 light war II Have fun. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:28:00 - [18] That set up would only work on the assumtion that some one gets close enough to you for them to be in range of torps. Now if the targets are out of range and the raven pilot wants to be more pro-active to get in range what must he do? Fit a mwd, if we wants to have a chance at getting the kill he must lock down his target. So in this situation his tank is now nerfed becuase he must fit, a warp scrambler, a cap injector, leaving 1 slot for a SB and 2 slots for harnders. That's hardly a tank. And caldari as we all know are all about the shield tank. The Raven is not a Gallante ship so unless CCP makes a shield tank mod that can fit in a low slot I just don't see it worth any while to even use Torps in PVP or missions for that matter.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:30:00 - [19] Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: So you don't care how your post puts across a point of view? Why are you posting in a forum? No I don't care what people like you think, who feel the need to be smug and condesending behind a keyboard. Your little rating at the bottom of your reply, (1/10) really proves my point about you. I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight. Ok here are a few points since you can't be bothered to read the other threads on this topic: 1. The raven is not a solo ship it still sucks at this. TBH who cares. 2. It has a better tank while fielding similar DPS of a damage of your choice, yes its going to tear that mega apart. 3. While fitting that tank its faster than the mega (plates slow it down) and so can outrange that mega (up to around 30km, beyond with tech II torps or with implants/rigs. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:35:00 - [20] Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: So you don't care how your post puts across a point of view? Why are you posting in a forum? No I don't care what people like you think, who feel the need to be smug and condesending behind a keyboard. Your little rating at the bottom of your reply, (1/10) really proves my point about you. I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight. The new torp raven will beat a blasterthron 1v1 if the fight starts at 15-20km. And yes the torp raven needs a mwd, and XL boost on a raven=fail.
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:38:00 - [21] I haven't met a mega pilot that doesn't use a mwd coupled with a webber.
THEGREAT LOBO Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:39:00 - [22] Edited by: THEGREAT LOBO on 26/01/2008 01:39:48 Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills. Its not a torp nerf.. Boost is the word your looking for
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:40:00 - [23] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/01/2008 01:39:53 While we're at it...I should be able to solo pop NanoHACs with my Citadel Torps!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Sythyss	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Sythyss on 26/01/2008 01:41:34 meh...mission runners think it's a nerf...a lot of the pvp'ers think it's a buff. It's just a change. deal with it and stop whining on the forums, esp. if you're too embarrased to post with your main
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:42:00 - [25] Heh... Try Blasters - you'll even cry more when someone's at 4km from your ship and is still out of range.
Marine HK4861 Caldari Radical Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:43:00 - [26] Originally by: testtest123123 The Raven is not a Gallante ship so unless CCP makes a shield tank mod that can fit in a low slot Power Diagnostic Systems? Shield Power Relays? Capacitor Power Relays for active shield tanks? Or you could think outside the box a little and armour tank your raven with Ewar in your midslots.
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:46:00 - [27] I'm perhaps kinda whinning but not wholeheartedly whinning. It doesn't really matter which car I post with, the topic is not about me anyways.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:52:00 - [28] How can the mega catch you if you are faster? --------------------------------- Oh noes!
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:54:00 - [29] Edited by: testtest123123 on 26/01/2008 01:57:13 Quote: What does that have to do with anything? You still win. Raven has similar amounts of hp and slightly less dps, but it can start doing the dps from further away. You can't keep a mega at range without sacrificing your shield tank. So yeah you might get off some dmg before the mega is in range but once it's in it's range from mwd'n towards you, your webbed and he's wrecking you. He'll catch up damage wise because the raven is webbed and it's tank is nerfed. Quote: How can the mega catch you if you are faster? What's the mass of a raven vs a megathron? how much more does a plate add to the mega?
Psychic Sue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:57:00 - [30] Originally by: testtest123123 Yes Sue that is obvious, but were not talking about a cruise fitted Raven. then I don't really see why you named this thread with a big "NERF" in the title when it is indeed so obvious. An adjustment to fit the other races. Period. For missions all the arguments are mute anyway, you know what you'll face, you fit accordingly, if there's long range orbitting ships, it is cruises, else, you go the high dps route. I wish it was this simple in pvp, "hey guys ... today's the sniping day, tomorrow you may come with your blaster megas."
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:59:00 - [31] Originally by: testtest123123 You can't keep a mega at range without sacrificing your shield tank. So yeah you might get off some dmg before the mega is in range but once it's in it's range from mwd'n towards you, your webbed and he's wrecking you. He'll catch up damage wise because the raven is webbed and it's tank is nerfed. I'm not keeping the mega at range. We're simply starting off at 20km, mega mwds into range and webs, raven can do whatever it wants. And how does a raven's tank drop if its webbed? Quote: What's the mass of a raven vs a megathron? how much more does a plate add to the mega? A fully trimarked/plated mega is slower than a raven.
Psychic Sue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.26 01:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Psychic Sue then I don't really see why you named this thread with a big "NERF" in the title when it is indeed so obvious. An adjustment to fit the other races. Period. Heck, I also wish the torps stayed as they wre, but seen from anobjective mode, it was to be expected.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:00:00 - [33] Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: What does that have to do with anything? You still win. Raven has similar amounts of hp and slightly less dps, but it can start doing the dps from further away. You can't keep a mega at range without sacrificing your shield tank. So yeah you might get off some dmg before the mega is in range but once it's in it's range from mwd'n towards you, your webbed and he's wrecking you. He'll catch up damage wise because the raven is webbed and it's tank is nerfed. Yeah you sacrifice two midslots to dictate range and deal full damage (thats if you dont have a target painting ship in gang, otherwise its only one slot). So its a 5 slot armor tank (with 2 mag stabs) verses a 4 slot shield tank. Bearing in mind the blaster ship has to close and worries about tracking while the raven outpaces it and can start dealing full damage off the bat. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
F90OEX	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:01:00 - [34] Yes torps suck.... Only thing that bothers me about torps is when your in the station > fittings and right clicking on the torp to get the flight time and speed. When you do the math says 30.2km range for faction/rage. But outside its 26km at best since when the torp is launched it does not reach max speed once it has been fired. Its takes 2-3km to get it to max speed. And at close range Rage torps orbiting a ship 2-3 times before it hits the ship is kinda silly too... Other then that ..
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:02:00 - [35] Originally by: F90OEX Yes torps suck.... Only thing that bothers me about torps is when your in the station > fittings and right clicking on the torp to get the flight time and speed. When you do the math says 30.2km range for faction/rage. But outside its 26km at best since when the torp is launched it does not reach max speed once it has been fired. Its takes 2-3km to get it to max speed. And at close range Rage torps orbiting a ship 2-3 times before it hits the ship is kinda silly too... Other then that .. If a mega is chasing you though the gap closes and your range is increased --------------------------------- Oh noes!
testtest123123	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:10:00 - [36] Quote: How can the mega catch you if you are faster? Ok the default speed for a mega is faster then a raven. But with that aside the Raven has alot more mass then a mega. Now I might be wrong but most Mega's usually fit 1 to 3 plates. Say 1600 rolled tungsten plates. If I did the math correctly the mega still has less mass. So who's going to be faster while mwd?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:15:00 - [37] Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: How can the mega catch you if you are faster? Ok the default speed for a mega is faster then a raven. But with that aside the Raven has alot more mass then a mega. Now I might be wrong but most Mega's usually fit 1 to 3 plates. Say 1600 rolled tungsten plates. If I did the math correctly the mega still has less mass. So who's going to be faster while mwd? Raven is faster if mega has plates. But this argument is pointless. The raven will win anyways even if it were to stand still, as long as the fight starts at 20km.
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:20:00 - [38] Think the main point where missing is how can someone make so much money in EvE by killing boars. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:26:00 - [39] Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: How can the mega catch you if you are faster? Ok the default speed for a mega is faster then a raven. But with that aside the Raven has alot more mass then a mega. Now I might be wrong but most Mega's usually fit 1 to 3 plates. Say 1600 rolled tungsten plates. If I did the math correctly the mega still has less mass. So who's going to be faster while mwd? 1st of all I like the change. I think you over estimating the important of speed here. you'll do the same dps up close at 30km as at 2 km. missles are great for this. and the time it takes to get to you will be easily 2 mins so that's a lot of extra dps for you. However at the same time I want to make your argument more valid. The bigger problem is that a mega doesn't have to use mid solts for tanking thus fitting a MWD is not as big an issue. on the other hand ravens don't need cap to shoot. But yes that MWD doesn't hurt it's tank as far as fittings go while raven needs it mid solts to fit a tank.
F90OEX	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: How can the mega catch you if you are faster? Ok the default speed for a mega is faster then a raven. But with that aside the Raven has alot more mass then a mega. Now I might be wrong but most Mega's usually fit 1 to 3 plates. Say 1600 rolled tungsten plates. If I did the math correctly the mega still has less mass. So who's going to be faster while mwd? Raven is faster if mega has plates. But this argument is pointless. The raven will win anyways even if it were to stand still, as long as the fight starts at 20km. True... but what Mega does not use a 100MWD and Web, out of all the mega's I have fought its never a 20km fight lol ..
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:37:00 - [41] Originally by: MotherMoon The bigger problem is that a mega doesn't have to use mid solts for tanking thus fitting a MWD is not as big an issue. on the other hand ravens don't need cap to shoot. But yes that MWD doesn't hurt it's tank as far as fittings go while raven needs it mid solts to fit a tank. And the 3 damage mods the mega fits to compete with torp raven dmg don't hurt its tank at all? Just saying...
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.26 02:46:00 - [42] Originally by: F90OEX Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: How can the mega catch you if you are faster? Ok the default speed for a mega is faster then a raven. But with that aside the Raven has alot more mass then a mega. Now I might be wrong but most Mega's usually fit 1 to 3 plates. Say 1600 rolled tungsten plates. If I did the math correctly the mega still has less mass. So who's going to be faster while mwd? Raven is faster if mega has plates. But this argument is pointless. The raven will win anyways even if it were to stand still, as long as the fight starts at 20km. True... but what Mega does not use a 100MWD and Web, out of all the mega's I have fought its never a 20km fight lol .. You still dont get it. The raven stands still, the mega mwds from 20km and webs the raven, THE RAVEN STILL WINS. Unless you're a ****** and put an xl boost on your raven.
Bohoba Caldari The Dragons Den	Posted - 2008.01.26 03:12:00 - [43] Quote: You still dont get it. The raven stands still, the mega mwds from 20km and webs the raven, THE RAVEN STILL WINS. Unless you're a ****** and put an xl boost on your raven. the only raven I seen defeat the mega was the new T2 Goalm(sp) but I got a fix :) no more Battle ships for me not as long as a frig can take them out I will stick with my kessy and merlin lol while I spend the next 2 years training to fly the mega :) the Uber ship in eve well all Gall ships are Yes I am maxed out Cald and the Raven is worthless to me now Roch is cool :) I Don't Play games, I play Eve Online !!! Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.26 03:25:00 - [44] Originally by: testtest123123 That set up would only work on the assumtion that some one gets close enough to you for them to be in range of torps. .......... The Raven is not a Gallante ship so unless CCP makes a shield tank mod that can fit in a low slot I just don't see it worth any while to even use Torps in PVP or missions for that matter. lol. you just want to argue. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.26 03:26:00 - [45] Edited by: Gamesguy on 26/01/2008 03:26:25 Originally by: Bohoba Quote: You still dont get it. The raven stands still, the mega mwds from 20km and webs the raven, THE RAVEN STILL WINS. Unless you're a ****** and put an xl boost on your raven. the only raven I seen defeat the mega was the new T2 Goalm(sp) but I got a fix :) no more Battle ships for me not as long as a frig can take them out I will stick with my kessy and merlin lol while I spend the next 2 years training to fly the mega :) the Uber ship in eve well all Gall ships are Yes I am maxed out Cald and the Raven is worthless to me now Roch is cool :) Stop using fail fittings then. Its not my fault if you cant fit your ships correctly.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.01.26 03:35:00 - [46] Mega ------(20km)------- Raven Both at full health. Raven starts shooting, Mega starts MWDing in. (35-40 seconds later) Mega (somewhat in armor) --(3km)-- Raven (Shields down a bit from drones) Fast forward a bit.... Capsule --(3km)-- Raven (somewhere in shield, depends on the Ravens tank) Now.. In your original post.. You say that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something? Well.. lets see... 30km is the LONGEST range of any battleship close-range weapon. Any other battleship will have to go into your range to do damage. I find that I don't always need a MWD on Amarr ships because the person I'm fighting willingly comes up close just so that he can hit me. -----sig-starts-here------ Witty stuff goes here
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.26 03:45:00 - [47] Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills. Because we REALLY needed a weapon system that made us something other than a laughingstock at gatecamps. Ok, so its only been reduced to stifled giggling, but it IS progress... Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
aQurio Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.26 03:58:00 - [48] Edited by: aQurio on 26/01/2008 03:57:58 Cruise missile's with maxed skills work great
Bohoba Caldari The Dragons Den	Posted - 2008.01.26 05:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: So you don't care how your post puts across a point of view? Why are you posting in a forum? No I don't care what people like you think, who feel the need to be smug and condesending behind a keyboard. Your little rating at the bottom of your reply, (1/10) really proves my point about you. I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight. The new torp raven will beat a blasterthron 1v1 if the fight starts at 15-20km. And yes the torp raven needs a mwd, and XL boost on a raven=fail. hahaha when I see it I will belive it. I Don't Play games, I play Eve Online !!! Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.26 05:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Bohoba Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: testtest123123 Quote: So you don't care how your post puts across a point of view? Why are you posting in a forum? No I don't care what people like you think, who feel the need to be smug and condesending behind a keyboard. Your little rating at the bottom of your reply, (1/10) really proves my point about you. I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight. The new torp raven will beat a blasterthron 1v1 if the fight starts at 15-20km. And yes the torp raven needs a mwd, and XL boost on a raven=fail. hahaha when I see it I will belive it. Just because you have no clue how to pvp doesnt mean everyone else is as dumb as you. Go back to the millions of raven threads, people have already posted fittings for a useful torp raven, hint: you dont use shield boosters.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Eve's Elite Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2008.01.26 05:16:00 - [51] HOW DARE MY SHORT RANGE WEAPONS NOT HIT AT 80KM WTF!?
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.26 05:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Verx Interis Mega ------(20km)------- Raven Both at full health. Raven starts shooting, Mega starts MWDing in. (35-40 seconds later) Mega (somewhat in armor) --(3km)-- Raven (Shields down a bit from drones) Fast forward a bit.... Capsule --(3km)-- Raven (somewhere in shield, depends on the Ravens tank) Now.. In your original post.. You say that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something? Well.. lets see... 30km is the LONGEST range of any battleship close-range weapon. Any other battleship will have to go into your range to do damage. I find that I don't always need a MWD on Amarr ships because the person I'm fighting willingly comes up close just so that he can hit me. Hum what about dropping the combat drones and loading the Mega out with ECM Drones? Dal Sig? I don't need no stinking sig...
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.26 10:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Dal Thrax Hum what about dropping the combat drones and loading the Mega out with ECM Drones? Dal And what tells you that ravens can't fit ecm drones in their bay? --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.26 10:36:00 - [54] Originally by: MenanceWhite Originally by: Dal Thrax Hum what about dropping the combat drones and loading the Mega out with ECM Drones? Dal And what tells you that ravens can't fit ecm drones in their bay? The point would be that ECM drones would hopefully decrease the damage sustained during the approach. Personally, I don't think it'd change much. You might get a jam off on the approach half the time, but ECM drones die fast to combat drones, and a set of Ogre II are a big chunk of the Mega's dps.
Sutter Kane Caldari Zombie Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:24:00 - [55] Its to make Isk farmers (like i assume u r) angry, get a life and stop making profit from cpu game, its lowest of what u can get.
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:25:00 - [56] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin HOW DARE MY SHORT RANGE WEAPONS NOT HIT AT 80KM WTF!? Yes unnerf the Scimitar damnit, I want to snipe with Scorch again! Oh wait, torps and bad players. Nevermind.
Siren Call Dragon Highlords	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:31:00 - [57] My t2 siege fitted core defense field x 3 raven killed a plated neutron mega with 3 x whatever the armor rig amount things are...whilst tanking the mega and an astarte, and before the mega cud jump after deaggro. What are you moaning about if torps can do this?
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:43:00 - [58] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: testtest123123 I'm not sure how it makes a raven a viable PVP ship. Mind enlightening me on that? I've always used cruise for PVP becuase even before the nerf Torps were way to slow for anything other then a pos or station. You definatly don't want to be up in a mega's face firing torps while he's tearing you apart with blasters and drones. No question who's gonna win that fight. Heres a cookie cutter setup that tanks like a beast and pwns hard at close range. 6 Siege 2 med nuet 1 heavy cap injector 1 xl booster 3 hardners and 1 warp dis or drop the warp dis for 4 hardners with ample tackling support. 3 bcs II 1 dc II 1 pds 3 resist rigs 5 ecm med drones and 5 light war II Have fun. Try a buffer tank, will need a gang as support but most would argue you should use Ravens mostly in gangs anyway. This has served me well: 6 siege IIs (faction ammo), 1x lg neut (to help chase off nano ships) 2x LSE II, MWD, TP, 2x Invuls IIs 3x BCU IIs, 1x PDU II, 1x DC II 3x extender rigs Get a few of these in a gang as gank and your TPs should stack on the called primaries making your torp Ravens even more effective against all ship sizes. As far as I can tell, this setup has close to the effective HP, speed and DPS of a Plated Mega, plus it can hit up to 30km instead of 2.5km. It's a whole lot better than the old PVP Ravens were in any case. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.01.26 11:58:00 - [59] Boosting caldari's PVP ability making one of their BS a great damagedealer is a nerf? Making caldaris close range weapon close range just like the other races close range weapons is bad? Yeah your're right. You have every reasy to whine!
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.26 12:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Verx Interis Well.. lets see... 30km is the LONGEST range of any battleship close-range weapon. How about the 45km (optimal) of mega pulses with scorch that do the same damage as gamma crystals? --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.26 12:03:00 - [61] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Verx Interis Well.. lets see... 30km is the LONGEST range of any battleship close-range weapon. How about the 45km (optimal) of mega pulses with scorch that do the same damage as gamma crystals? hmmm, NERF AMARR! --
Artemis Jaeger	Posted - 2008.01.26 12:12:00 - [62] sigh OP, there are a few good responses in here that should have you feeling like you are over-reacting. If you are having mission troubles, I hear there are these great things called Cruise Missiles. Mission runners have been using them for years now, especially since the move by CCP to make lvl 4 missions more cruiser heavy. Torps make the Raven a viable option for serious pvp again.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.26 19:12:00 - [63] fly faster and then realize that their damage has been increased Trashed sig, Shark was here
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.26 19:33:00 - [64] Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills. ask this same question to a blasterthron pilot...i expect alot less whine. Maybe you should realize theres a time and a place to use siege launchers? Like IDK, maybe PvP instead of PvE? ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.26 19:50:00 - [65] Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills. I was going to post a witty response, but fearing that you wouldn't understand a thing, I'll just say that next time fit cruise launchers, wich are your long range weapon, if you want to snipe with the raven, like all other races are forced to fit long range weapons to snipe. got a problem with it? here, talk to the hand. --- planetary interaction idea!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.26 19:53:00 - [66] Trollpost fails. All ships have a long range weapon, and a short range weapon. The long range does less damage, but ... has more range. The short one hurts, but requires maneuvering. Raven was the exception - it had a long range weapon, and an extreme range weapon. This has been fixed, and the Raven is now AWESOME. Or alternatively: Just use cruises. They work fine. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.26 19:59:00 - [67] Originally by: James Lyrus Or alternatively: Just use cruises. They work fine. yeah... and them precision cruises hurt my HAC's --- planetary interaction idea!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.26 20:18:00 - [68] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: testtest123123 So why exactly did CCP so nerf the torps that you have to sacrifice part of your tank to get in range in time to kill something before your shields are totally gone along with your cap? PS: yes this kinda an alt, my main has MAXED missles skills. ask this same question to a blasterthron pilot...i expect alot less whine. Maybe you should realize theres a time and a place to use siege launchers? Like IDK, maybe PvP instead of PvE? Or even in PvE when fighting rats that don't kite? Angel BS come in lovely and close all on their own... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

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