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Bobbechk Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:19:00 - [31] a) they are paper thin b) they are slow for being a nano c) drones are ******** d) my kladdkaka is done
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:40:00 - [32] How is an Ishtar going to kill anything that is 50km out? The best warp disruptor that can fit to the Ishtar is the Domination / Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor. They're 30km range. Add in the 20% from thermodynamics, and thats only 36km range.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:46:00 - [33] Drone dps can be lame as they either get shot down or you end up having to leave them behind ishtar and curse are both too slow to avoid taking damage so they arent exactly survivable. Neuts on a nano ishtar is vaguely dumb. You take 1 or 2 to deal with intys and other tacklers but apart from that you keep out of web range. Your arguement seems to be that the vaga is a worse nano ship than both of these. Can i please have some of what you are smoking...
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:24:00 - [34] no Trashed sig, Shark was here
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Bobbechk d) my kladdkaka is done this is most important statement in this thread. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Sixtina KL The Shoop Group	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:43:00 - [36] 1) Fit a webber 2) Fit some smartbombs 3) ?????? 4) PROFIT! __________________________________
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:45:00 - [37] NanoSin ftw
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Sixtina KL 1) Fit a webber 2) Fit some smartbombs 3) ?????? 4) PROFIT! problem is, people don't want to have to fit specifically to counter certain ships. what they're missing is that we've always had to counter for certain tactics to a greater or lesser extent. no one ship or setup can do it all. [IMAGE REMOVED]
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. I wonder if they were intended to be flown as "haha can't catch me when I'm doing 6k forever" nanoships, being far superior to Vagabonds (the original and only authentic nanoship). The Ishtar does more DPS than a Vagabond with free choice of damage type and 50+ Km range and it can fit a rack of Neutralizers as well in the highs, giving it 2 main weapon systems). The Curse can kill anything solo (below properly fitted capital ships) since its bonus allows it to disable all forms of tackling/ECM and many types of weapons. At least the Ishtar should not be useable as a nanoship ... I do not know much about the Curse but the Ishtar is obviously working as intended. Did you not get the memmo? Gallente are the Uber race, they do everything your ship does...Better. So of COURSE they have a Speed-Demon that can out perform a Matari ship, it is only understandible. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:02:00 - [40] * most ships need to pick their targets * a few solowtfpwnships only need to pick a few things they have to run from (and the Curse has to run from nothing solo, at least not before trying to kill it) EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:16:00 - [41] Zzzzoooooooooooooooooooooom Zzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip Wrrooooooooooooooooooooooom Wait, 6km/s? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Ki An Wait, 6km/s? Easy: 3 ODII 1 Nano II 2 Polycarb I 1 MWD T2 + overheat = 5541 m/s + 2 very cheap 3% implants (CY-1, MY-1) = 5867 m/s doesn't even need cheap boosters etc. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Ki An Wait, 6km/s? Easy: 3 ODII 1 Nano II 2 Polycarb I 1 MWD T2 + overheat = 5541 m/s + 2 very cheap 3% implants (CY-1, MY-1) = 5867 m/s doesn't even need cheap boosters etc. Ain't getting those numbers even on EFT with the all lvl V character. Would never get those numbers in game, except perhaps for a very short while, due to capping out and mwd breaking down. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Van Steiza Logistical Anomaly	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:44:00 - [44] lol Heat....NOOOB! plus ALLLlevel5 skills.....NOOOB. Stop playin EfitWarriorIt is so annoying 3 to 4km/sis the average 4 to 5km/s is pretty up there. 6km/s Expected lowgrades/faction ANYHIGHER = UBER PIMPEDMEGABUCKS SPENT. Also at these speedsloosing drones is not fun once ur drones are dead yaaaaaay fun over. Most the time you wontkillwhat your aiming to anyway. Go fail Somewere else. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:44:00 - [45] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/01/2008 17:44:26 Originally by: Pan Crastus the Curse has to run from nothing solo, at least not before trying to kill it What if the target is another Curse?
MITSUK0	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:18:00 - [46] Edited by: MITSUK0 on 28/01/2008 18:18:30 People still die to nano drone ships solo? I thought anyone with half a brain learned how to deal with them back in the nano-BS craze. Oh wait, I see now...half a brain...learned...
Xaen Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. Ishtars don't really scare me. Shoot his drones and watch him cry like a little girl as he circles at 6km unable to rescoop them. Same goes for the Curse really. Both are heavily drone dependent and poorly managed drones are extremely vulnerable. Leave them alone (for the record, I fly neither of them) and let those of us who are prepared ruin their days. Sure they're much more dangerous in packs, but really, what isn't? -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:26:00 - [48] Originally by: MITSUK0 Edited by: MITSUK0 on 28/01/2008 18:18:30 People still die to nano drone ships solo? I thought anyone with half a brain learned how to deal with them back in the nano-BS craze. Oh wait, I see now...half a brain...learned... -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:50:00 - [49] Just shoot the fracking drones. I rarely even use the Ishtar for solo anymore. Too many people where I live know pvp. Nano Ishtar = noobkillermobile or gang dmg support.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:16:00 - [50] All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:21:00 - [51] Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Trashed sig, Shark was here
Haradgrim The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. I wonder if they were intended to be flown as "haha can't catch me when I'm doing 6k forever" nanoships, being far superior to Vagabonds (the original and only authentic nanoship). The Ishtar does more DPS than a Vagabond with free choice of damage type and 50+ Km range and it can fit a rack of Neutralizers as well in the highs, giving it 2 main weapon systems). The Curse can kill anything solo (below properly fitted capital ships) since its bonus allows it to disable all forms of tackling/ECM and many types of weapons. At least the Ishtar should not be useable as a nanoship ... Nerf.....um........Amarr? Wait..... ..........seriously? Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:50:00 - [53] Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. ___________________ Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:44:03 Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:43:23 Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? NOTE: I'm not saying they should be nerfed mmmmkay? NOTE2: I fly ishtars. Note3: Vagabonds are more sexeh than ishtars. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? This. If these ships weren't a problem then why is there a new thread about them almost every other day. Nerf Polycarbons.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? This. If these ships weren't a problem then why is there a new thread about them almost every other day. Nerf Polycarbons. Nooooes leave my polys alone... 60 mil a piece... _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Elmicker on 28/01/2008 20:53:35 Originally by: Van Steiza lol Heat....NOOOB! plus ALLLlevel5 skills.....NOOOB. I have maxed navigation skills. I can name another dozen people off the top of my head who have maxed navigation skills. I have heat available. Most other people who're serious about pvp use heat. When talking about navigational skills especially, All Level 5 should be standard.
Xaen Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.28 21:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Elmicker Edited by: Elmicker on 28/01/2008 20:53:35 Originally by: Van Steiza lol Heat....NOOOB! plus ALLLlevel5 skills.....NOOOB. I have maxed navigation skills. I can name another dozen people off the top of my head who have maxed navigation skills. I have heat available. Most other people who're serious about pvp use heat. When talking about navigational skills especially, All Level 5 should be standard. I have Nav V, all MWD-affecting skills at IV (16 or 20 days to max them is absurd) and I have Thermodynamics IV. It was boring as hell, and the training times defined to be arbitrarily and artificially long, but I got them. Yes it's it's an absurd training time, but some people have done it. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.01.28 21:29:00 - [59] Ishtars are a bit much lately. Very popular despite high cost, and operating in a role not laid out in their description. I think you guys who say it's easy to take down the drones have been fighting the second string. Try going up against Creamster or someone like that and see how well you handle that situation. Any HAC that runs circles around Vagabonds and interceptors needs some re-thinking. Actually, it's the gestalt of all the mods that needs revisiting, not the ships. The ships are fine, until they are turned into freaks by excessive modding. My 0.02 isk, Gorty -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 21:45:00 - [60] Originally by: Gort Ishtars are a bit much lately. Very popular despite high cost, and operating in a role not laid out in their description. I think you guys who say it's easy to take down the drones have been fighting the second string. Try going up against Creamster or someone like that and see how well you handle that situation. Any HAC that runs circles around Vagabonds and interceptors needs some re-thinking. Actually, it's the gestalt of all the mods that needs revisiting, not the ships. The ships are fine, until they are turned into freaks by excessive modding. My 0.02 isk, Gorty Well either the pilot of the ferrarishtar, a) invested some really hard isk on faction fits and implants to surpass the vaga pilot. b) the vaga pilot has real poor skills or fit. c) the vaga pilot got caugh in web or the ferrarishtar pilot got a lucky break and used heat on the web etc and so forth. d) Ishtars are nice because they have a bit more survivability and they are flown in packs of ishtars and minmatar recons ( wich seem to spread like mushrooms ). Not everyone is telling the whole picture, i got killed a while back by a guy from Tri in a Curse ( caught me distracted fair and square, good kill Wei) he sucked my cap dry and well 4 rats+curse+drones=no miracles, yet i didn't cry OMG NERF! NERF! NERF! , ishtars are more widely used now in pairs with huggins and sort, wich is a good call imo, hugin maintains target stoped, helps both the ishtar pilot and adds firepower, its no rocket science. What should be done? Frankly i dunno, maybe people should watch local more or skill up, use their imagination or something. Each HAC has its counters and flaws, the ishtar is no exception, the problem is that ALOT of people are flying them atm in GANGS not just solo, because a SOLO ishtar does not perform miracles. The problem this time is not in the ship itself, in fact the ship is absolutely fine. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal

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