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Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:23:00 - [1] It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. I wonder if they were intended to be flown as "haha can't catch me when I'm doing 6k forever" nanoships, being far superior to Vagabonds (the original and only authentic nanoship). The Ishtar does more DPS than a Vagabond with free choice of damage type and 50+ Km range and it can fit a rack of Neutralizers as well in the highs, giving it 2 main weapon systems). The Curse can kill anything solo (below properly fitted capital ships) since its bonus allows it to disable all forms of tackling/ECM and many types of weapons. At least the Ishtar should not be useable as a nanoship ... EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:28:00 - [2] You are an Amarr, thus you should fly the Curse, and you mention it in a nerf thread... Are you mad? Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Niffetin Gallente Omni Research	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:29:00 - [3] Originally by: flashfreaking You are an Amarr, thus you should fly the Curse, and you mention it in a nerf thread... Are you mad? Propably, and then an EFT Warrior too I bet. --- Teeheee!
Canine Fiend Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:46:00 - [4] You should also note that the Ishtar has a severe disadvantage to the Vagabond. Should the Ishtar have to leave quickly, it also leaves all of its DPS behind... I'd call that a pretty significant drawback to using a drone boat. -------------------
Avenger18	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:50:00 - [5] yes 9 people in your alliance killed my drake by ramming it with an ishtar so i couldn't dock then blew me to hell, this happened 2 weeks ago and i had had my drake for 4 months until u killed it :( then u popped my pod :( shame shame shame that was a 50 mil + drake
Ekuwy Oizoa Anthrax Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Avenger18 yes 9 people in your alliance killed my drake by ramming it with an ishtar so i couldn't dock then blew me to hell, this happened 2 weeks ago and i had had my drake for 4 months until u killed it :( then u popped my pod :( shame shame shame that was a 50 mil + drake gotta love sarcasm
Zephyr Rengate Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:03:00 - [7] Is it too to hard to kill drones?
Vivitari Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Is it too to hard to kill drones? This EVE: The Vivitari Story - A Blog by Nobody in EVE Online
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Vivitari Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Is it too to hard to kill drones? This QFT To be honest I see no problem with the nano-ishtar that you don't see in other nano-ships. Sure it can pump out more dps, but unless the ishtar slows down you do know that he's not going to be able to call back drones right? And drones die quickly if you know what you're doing. As far as the curse goes, just STFU. The amarr actually have a good pvp ship (not that it can do anything against a passive tank but w/e) and someone complains that it needs a nerf... you're not actually that dense are you? 1/10 for the trolling efforts here. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sauromugue	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:20:00 - [10] 3/10 Got me a little upset, but an obvious troll.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:21:00 - [11] You try recalling drones from 50km out when you need to leave in a rush and then come back and post. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Reds Malt	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:30:00 - [12] guys I just noticed if I set it to "All Level 5" the following ships have omg amazing dps and are fast when nanoed and can tank - - All of them --------------- The Nanoishtar may be a pain in the bum but it isn't "OMGWTFNERF". The Curse has had its nerf - it can't lock everything down now. Though it is a powerful ship when used correctly, and works well preying on belt ratters/miners, its not overpowered.
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Niffetin Originally by: flashfreaking You are an Amarr, thus you should fly the Curse, and you mention it in a nerf thread... Are you mad? Propably, and then an EFT Warrior too I bet. My main is minmatar. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Is it too to hard to kill drones? Ogre II with HP bonus are hard to kill, yes. 5 of them have about 20K HP, that's more than the Ishtar itself. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
castraitory Minmatar AND THEN NO YOU	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:59:00 - [15] Recalling drones from 50km in a solo wtf ship???? You mean to say you got a 50km scrambler nice Never tried the nano ishtar, I dont like flying nano ships my self but yeh if a drone gets shot or you have to bug out then you leave your dps. Same with the curse and its drones your dps is exposed and can be taken down unlike the vaga. I dont see the point to the thread though as there is no question apart from no they wernt meant to be flown as nano ships, no point really just a statement from your veiwpoint so I will leave it at that. Theres a few corps and alliances that mainly fly nano hacs,bs's infact anything with low slots they fill with nanos and overdrives and we all know who they are. Its a Low risk tactic which many use in pvp and many hate. Train for a vaga or rapier and then come back and complain when you see they have no tank when caught and melt in seconds.
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.27 19:13:00 - [16] Originally by: flashfreaking You are an Amarr, thus you should fly the Curse, and you mention it in a nerf thread... Are you mad? I'm Caldari, should I be flying a Drake in place of a Hurricane or Myrmidon?
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.27 19:51:00 - [17] Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 27/01/2008 19:51:53 Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Is it too to hard to kill drones? Ogre II with HP bonus are hard to kill, yes. 5 of them have about 20K HP, that's more than the Ishtar itself. No they are not... I dealt with a nanoishtar easily with a raven and i had torps on for craps sake. I was popping this guys drones left and right. Did i mention i was only ratting fit and had just 2 kinetic hardners and a Large sheild booster on? Oh yes, this was also before the drone shield recharge nerf too. If you get killed by a single nanotar really i laugh at you. You just fail. Love to the Assault Frigate!
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:10:00 - [18] Originally by: castraitory Recalling drones from 50km in a solo wtf ship???? You mean to say you got a 50km scrambler nice Well, if you can fly faster then your drones, you might end up far away from them. When you get into trouble and want to bug out, it might not be a good idea to wait for the drones to catch up
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium imPure.	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:17:00 - [19] Nano ishtars can be killed by a lone crow. Stop whining and adapt. ________ Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Van Steiza Logistical Anomaly	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:23:00 - [20] To the op.... Shut ur face. HONESTLY 6km/s ISHTAR is probably a lowgrade snaked n factioned ishtar IF UR lucky. Most people are 3 to 4km/s that the fact that there drones are killable and recalling ogree IIs is omg * u have to slowdown first of all. You people ruin the game with ur ****** thoughts. HEY heres a solution dont poast. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.28 01:25:00 - [21] The nanoishtar has too many disadvantages for me to bother with. The curse is a fine ship and sometimes I use it. But my favourite nano ship is still the Sacrilege. Good dps and it goes fast enough without having to spend too much on it.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.28 01:32:00 - [22] instead of saying they are solwtfpwn mobiles, you should just say you cant beat them, not us.
Fanjita	Posted - 2008.01.28 02:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Van Steiza To the op.... Shut ur face. HONESTLY 6km/s ISHTAR is probably a lowgrade snaked n factioned ishtar IF UR lucky. Most people are 3 to 4km/s that the fact that there drones are killable and recalling ogree IIs is omg * u have to slowdown first of all. You people ruin the game with ur ****** thoughts. HEY heres a solution dont poast. but everyone in eve has snakes and faction mods and sells gtc to poor students to buy uber gear except poor ol' crastus :(
Hotshothotshot1 Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.28 03:38:00 - [24] i made a vulture in EFT which could tanke over 3000 dps and had resist all above 90 except for em which was 85 orso does cost above 50 billion though Nerf!!
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium imPure.	Posted - 2008.01.28 04:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Hotshothotshot1 i made a vulture in EFT which could tanke over 3000 dps and had resist all above 90 except for em which was 85 orso does cost above 50 billion though Nerf!! OMGHAXIMBA ________ Originally by: Tarminic I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.28 04:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Pan Crastus original and only authentic Giant, giant red flag announcing that a bad opinion is about to be made regarding a ship class.
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.01.28 05:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Canine Fiend You should also note that the Ishtar has a severe disadvantage to the Vagabond. Should the Ishtar have to leave quickly, it also leaves all of its DPS behind... I'd call that a pretty significant drawback to using a drone boat. Just like the vagabond at a reasonable range. Ok, not all, but substantial part of its DPS.
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise	Posted - 2008.01.28 05:43:00 - [28] Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 28/01/2008 05:42:59 Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. I wonder if they were intended to be flown as "haha can't catch me when I'm doing 6k forever" nanoships, being far superior to Vagabonds (the original and only authentic nanoship). Huh have you ever tried to make a 6k sustainable nanocurse or ishtar? Bear in mind the curse will not nos what EFT says it will as an opponent's cap will fluctuate and they may cap out. Those ships need a good bit of tweaking to break 3k, most are in the 3-4k range. Quote: The Ishtar does more DPS than a Vagabond with free choice of damage type and 50+ Km range and it can fit a rack of Neutralizers as well in the highs, giving it 2 main weapon systems). Wait, what? The ishtar is horrendous to fit, ogres take an age to travel to target, you can't scram at 50k in an ishtar, and medium neuts don't work well on nanoships as they have a ~12km range and they cap you out meaning your mwd stops. Quote: The Curse can kill anything solo (below properly fitted capital ships) since its bonus allows it to disable all forms of tackling/ECM and many types of weapons. Cap injection is your friend, so are... friends, and not being cought alone by a ship that does well to do 200dps. The curse is extremely powerful used right but it is far more difficult to make a solo curse these days after the nos nerf. Most setups are either paper thin or rely on cap injection or both. Quote: At least the Ishtar should not be useable as a nanoship ... Why?
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.28 07:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Sauromugue 3/10 Got me a little upset, but an obvious troll. This.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.28 07:50:00 - [30] drone dps is useless paper dps. nano ishtar sucks ass for reasons too obvious and numerous to even discuss.
Bobbechk Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:19:00 - [31] a) they are paper thin b) they are slow for being a nano c) drones are ******** d) my kladdkaka is done
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:40:00 - [32] How is an Ishtar going to kill anything that is 50km out? The best warp disruptor that can fit to the Ishtar is the Domination / Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor. They're 30km range. Add in the 20% from thermodynamics, and thats only 36km range.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.28 10:46:00 - [33] Drone dps can be lame as they either get shot down or you end up having to leave them behind ishtar and curse are both too slow to avoid taking damage so they arent exactly survivable. Neuts on a nano ishtar is vaguely dumb. You take 1 or 2 to deal with intys and other tacklers but apart from that you keep out of web range. Your arguement seems to be that the vaga is a worse nano ship than both of these. Can i please have some of what you are smoking...
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:24:00 - [34] no Trashed sig, Shark was here
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Bobbechk d) my kladdkaka is done this is most important statement in this thread. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Sixtina KL The Shoop Group	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:43:00 - [36] 1) Fit a webber 2) Fit some smartbombs 3) ?????? 4) PROFIT! __________________________________
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:45:00 - [37] NanoSin ftw
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.28 16:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Sixtina KL 1) Fit a webber 2) Fit some smartbombs 3) ?????? 4) PROFIT! problem is, people don't want to have to fit specifically to counter certain ships. what they're missing is that we've always had to counter for certain tactics to a greater or lesser extent. no one ship or setup can do it all. [IMAGE REMOVED]
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. I wonder if they were intended to be flown as "haha can't catch me when I'm doing 6k forever" nanoships, being far superior to Vagabonds (the original and only authentic nanoship). The Ishtar does more DPS than a Vagabond with free choice of damage type and 50+ Km range and it can fit a rack of Neutralizers as well in the highs, giving it 2 main weapon systems). The Curse can kill anything solo (below properly fitted capital ships) since its bonus allows it to disable all forms of tackling/ECM and many types of weapons. At least the Ishtar should not be useable as a nanoship ... I do not know much about the Curse but the Ishtar is obviously working as intended. Did you not get the memmo? Gallente are the Uber race, they do everything your ship does...Better. So of COURSE they have a Speed-Demon that can out perform a Matari ship, it is only understandible. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:02:00 - [40] * most ships need to pick their targets * a few solowtfpwnships only need to pick a few things they have to run from (and the Curse has to run from nothing solo, at least not before trying to kill it) EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:16:00 - [41] Zzzzoooooooooooooooooooooom Zzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip Wrrooooooooooooooooooooooom Wait, 6km/s? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Ki An Wait, 6km/s? Easy: 3 ODII 1 Nano II 2 Polycarb I 1 MWD T2 + overheat = 5541 m/s + 2 very cheap 3% implants (CY-1, MY-1) = 5867 m/s doesn't even need cheap boosters etc. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Ki An Wait, 6km/s? Easy: 3 ODII 1 Nano II 2 Polycarb I 1 MWD T2 + overheat = 5541 m/s + 2 very cheap 3% implants (CY-1, MY-1) = 5867 m/s doesn't even need cheap boosters etc. Ain't getting those numbers even on EFT with the all lvl V character. Would never get those numbers in game, except perhaps for a very short while, due to capping out and mwd breaking down. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Van Steiza Logistical Anomaly	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:44:00 - [44] lol Heat....NOOOB! plus ALLLlevel5 skills.....NOOOB. Stop playin EfitWarriorIt is so annoying 3 to 4km/sis the average 4 to 5km/s is pretty up there. 6km/s Expected lowgrades/faction ANYHIGHER = UBER PIMPEDMEGABUCKS SPENT. Also at these speedsloosing drones is not fun once ur drones are dead yaaaaaay fun over. Most the time you wontkillwhat your aiming to anyway. Go fail Somewere else. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.28 17:44:00 - [45] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/01/2008 17:44:26 Originally by: Pan Crastus the Curse has to run from nothing solo, at least not before trying to kill it What if the target is another Curse?
MITSUK0	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:18:00 - [46] Edited by: MITSUK0 on 28/01/2008 18:18:30 People still die to nano drone ships solo? I thought anyone with half a brain learned how to deal with them back in the nano-BS craze. Oh wait, I see now...half a brain...learned...
Xaen Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. Ishtars don't really scare me. Shoot his drones and watch him cry like a little girl as he circles at 6km unable to rescoop them. Same goes for the Curse really. Both are heavily drone dependent and poorly managed drones are extremely vulnerable. Leave them alone (for the record, I fly neither of them) and let those of us who are prepared ruin their days. Sure they're much more dangerous in packs, but really, what isn't? -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Xaen Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:26:00 - [48] Originally by: MITSUK0 Edited by: MITSUK0 on 28/01/2008 18:18:30 People still die to nano drone ships solo? I thought anyone with half a brain learned how to deal with them back in the nano-BS craze. Oh wait, I see now...half a brain...learned... -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:50:00 - [49] Just shoot the fracking drones. I rarely even use the Ishtar for solo anymore. Too many people where I live know pvp. Nano Ishtar = noobkillermobile or gang dmg support.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:16:00 - [50] All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:21:00 - [51] Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Trashed sig, Shark was here
Haradgrim The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Pan Crastus It seems that the 2 remaining solowtfpwnmachines are the Ishtar and the Curse. I wonder if they were intended to be flown as "haha can't catch me when I'm doing 6k forever" nanoships, being far superior to Vagabonds (the original and only authentic nanoship). The Ishtar does more DPS than a Vagabond with free choice of damage type and 50+ Km range and it can fit a rack of Neutralizers as well in the highs, giving it 2 main weapon systems). The Curse can kill anything solo (below properly fitted capital ships) since its bonus allows it to disable all forms of tackling/ECM and many types of weapons. At least the Ishtar should not be useable as a nanoship ... Nerf.....um........Amarr? Wait..... ..........seriously? Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:50:00 - [53] Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. ___________________ Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:39:00 - [54] Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:44:03 Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:43:23 Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? NOTE: I'm not saying they should be nerfed mmmmkay? NOTE2: I fly ishtars. Note3: Vagabonds are more sexeh than ishtars. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? This. If these ships weren't a problem then why is there a new thread about them almost every other day. Nerf Polycarbons.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? This. If these ships weren't a problem then why is there a new thread about them almost every other day. Nerf Polycarbons. Nooooes leave my polys alone... 60 mil a piece... _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Elmicker on 28/01/2008 20:53:35 Originally by: Van Steiza lol Heat....NOOOB! plus ALLLlevel5 skills.....NOOOB. I have maxed navigation skills. I can name another dozen people off the top of my head who have maxed navigation skills. I have heat available. Most other people who're serious about pvp use heat. When talking about navigational skills especially, All Level 5 should be standard.
Xaen Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.28 21:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Elmicker Edited by: Elmicker on 28/01/2008 20:53:35 Originally by: Van Steiza lol Heat....NOOOB! plus ALLLlevel5 skills.....NOOOB. I have maxed navigation skills. I can name another dozen people off the top of my head who have maxed navigation skills. I have heat available. Most other people who're serious about pvp use heat. When talking about navigational skills especially, All Level 5 should be standard. I have Nav V, all MWD-affecting skills at IV (16 or 20 days to max them is absurd) and I have Thermodynamics IV. It was boring as hell, and the training times defined to be arbitrarily and artificially long, but I got them. Yes it's it's an absurd training time, but some people have done it. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2008.01.28 21:29:00 - [59] Ishtars are a bit much lately. Very popular despite high cost, and operating in a role not laid out in their description. I think you guys who say it's easy to take down the drones have been fighting the second string. Try going up against Creamster or someone like that and see how well you handle that situation. Any HAC that runs circles around Vagabonds and interceptors needs some re-thinking. Actually, it's the gestalt of all the mods that needs revisiting, not the ships. The ships are fine, until they are turned into freaks by excessive modding. My 0.02 isk, Gorty -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 21:45:00 - [60] Originally by: Gort Ishtars are a bit much lately. Very popular despite high cost, and operating in a role not laid out in their description. I think you guys who say it's easy to take down the drones have been fighting the second string. Try going up against Creamster or someone like that and see how well you handle that situation. Any HAC that runs circles around Vagabonds and interceptors needs some re-thinking. Actually, it's the gestalt of all the mods that needs revisiting, not the ships. The ships are fine, until they are turned into freaks by excessive modding. My 0.02 isk, Gorty Well either the pilot of the ferrarishtar, a) invested some really hard isk on faction fits and implants to surpass the vaga pilot. b) the vaga pilot has real poor skills or fit. c) the vaga pilot got caugh in web or the ferrarishtar pilot got a lucky break and used heat on the web etc and so forth. d) Ishtars are nice because they have a bit more survivability and they are flown in packs of ishtars and minmatar recons ( wich seem to spread like mushrooms ). Not everyone is telling the whole picture, i got killed a while back by a guy from Tri in a Curse ( caught me distracted fair and square, good kill Wei) he sucked my cap dry and well 4 rats+curse+drones=no miracles, yet i didn't cry OMG NERF! NERF! NERF! , ishtars are more widely used now in pairs with huggins and sort, wich is a good call imo, hugin maintains target stoped, helps both the ishtar pilot and adds firepower, its no rocket science. What should be done? Frankly i dunno, maybe people should watch local more or skill up, use their imagination or something. Each HAC has its counters and flaws, the ishtar is no exception, the problem is that ALOT of people are flying them atm in GANGS not just solo, because a SOLO ishtar does not perform miracles. The problem this time is not in the ship itself, in fact the ship is absolutely fine. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.01.29 06:48:00 - [61] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Ki An Wait, 6km/s? Easy: 3 ODII 1 Nano II 2 Polycarb I 1 MWD T2 + overheat = 5541 m/s + 2 very cheap 3% implants (CY-1, MY-1) = 5867 m/s doesn't even need cheap boosters etc. Watch your midslot rack melt in under a minute. Also, 50km range? If your opponent has half a brain he'll either just warp or start popping drones. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.29 07:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Is it too to hard to kill drones? Ogre II with HP bonus are hard to kill, yes. 5 of them have about 20K HP, that's more than the Ishtar itself. You're a fool.. This troll thread is terrible. Is this what the report button is for? CCP Mitnal wouldnt allow crap like this in coad so why is it ok in general discussion?
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.29 19:48:00 - [63] people want rock against rock instead of rock paper scissors? Trashed sig, Shark was here
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.29 19:56:00 - [64] Who is this sijira guy?
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.29 20:05:00 - [65] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 28/01/2008 20:42:06 Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 28/01/2008 19:22:29 Originally by: Evil Thug All peoples who is writing that ishtar is balanced - are stupid. Ishtar is clearly best nanoship atm. Much better than vaga, with more defence, almost unkillable in small gangs. clearly a ship that takes 5 level 5 skills and costs as much as a battleship and has a third of its tank must be overpowered if it does any damage at all Cost more than a BS alot of the time. My ishtars are only named and t2 fit, and each loss is something like 230-250m isk. And I have lost more than I like, so obviously: I'm not a super pilot AND they are not all that hard to counter. Weird, if Ishtars and Curses are that crappy why is it that your alliance members keep apearing in our region flying them? This. If these ships weren't a problem then why is there a new thread about them almost every other day. Nerf Polycarbons. There's a new thread every week because most people cant stand losing. Expecially when they convince themselves it wasnt there fault. I dont actually mind if polycarb's get a nerf, but this current round of whines being directed at them have much more to do with everything else that was ahead of them in line already being nefed than anything else, and deep down you know it. Also nerf the guy who said nerf the curse.
SPAgent Scully	Posted - 2008.01.29 20:13:00 - [66] Quote: Shoot his drones and watch him cry like a little girl as he circles at 6km unable to rescoop them. You know what happens when you pop an Ishtar's drone? They launch another one from that massive drone bay. They are not over powered though. For what they cost they should be a very nice solo gank ship. Get a web on one and its dead meat.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.01.30 10:28:00 - [67] Originally by: SPAgent Scully Quote: Shoot his drones and watch him cry like a little girl as he circles at 6km unable to rescoop them. You know what happens when you pop an Ishtar's drone? They launch another one from that massive drone bay. They are not over powered though. For what they cost they should be a very nice solo gank ship. Get a web on one and its dead meat. Yeah, but at what point does it stop being worth 'launch another drone'? Hammerhead IIs and Ogre IIs aren't cheap, and getting more of them is sure as hell not easy in some areas. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth

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