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Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.28 13:38:00 - [1] Who hear thinks that the drone regions of eve lack...well pretty much everything in the way of content compared to the faction regions? Because I for one do.
Shurikane	Posted - 2008.01.28 14:09:00 - [2] Officer spawns - check. Hidden mining belts - check. Hacking sites - check. Deadspace complexes - check. I don't see the problem.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.28 14:10:00 - [3] Edited by: ToxicFire on 28/01/2008 14:11:57 Originally by: Shurikane Officer spawns - check. Hidden mining belts - check. Hacking sites - check. Deadspace complexes - check. I don't see the problem. You forgot over 50% of the top ore systems in eve. Infact the only thing thats really missing is a handful of npc stations, and seeing as rogue drones isn't actually a faction and doesn't need stations I think that's fair. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.28 14:58:00 - [4] Originally by: Shurikane Officer spawns - check. Hidden mining belts - check. Hacking sites - check. Deadspace complexes - check. I don't see the problem. Sorry, Officers? names please! ________________________________________
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Princess Jodi on 28/01/2008 15:09:30 Whoah... Since the past two posters have stated with such authority, I guess I need to completely ignore reality and just love my region. Naw, screw that. The last two posters have no freaking idea what they are talking about. The 'Officers' in the Drone regions are a single special type of drone, similar to a True Sansha rat. They only drop an Eliete Drone AI, and a bit of T2 Salvage. No such thing as a Named item worth billions. If you think that is comparable to finding a Billion-isk Officer Item, I got some beachfront property in Arizona for you. There is no 'Hauler' spawns. In that respect the Drone Regions are like 7-up: Never Had It, Never Will. Any information to the contrary was obviously not gained from anything like... oh.. Experience? There are no 'Complexes' in the Drone Regions. Since we did not ever have any Static Complexes, there are no hidden complexes to find. Another example of the burning idiocy of the previous posters. We have Exploration Content: That consists of normal encounters, 'Unknown' complexes, Gravimetric and Radar sites. Gravimetric sites are as useless as the above posters, seeing as how we have systems afer system of untouched asteroid belts as it is. Radar sites are bugged, only dropping something once every three cans. They do drop the new Drone BPC's: I've done 18 radar sites and gotten 4 BPC's, all for the lowest-level light scout drones. Compare that to Empire sites dropping Decryptors and Faction Tower BPC's. So, all in all the previous two posters are so wrong that they should be ashamed about all the poor Electrons that died to bring you thier message. Have a Nice Day! Edit: Kendrak, you slipped in there on me. 'Past Two Posters' don't apply to you!
Freaky Eyes	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:12:00 - [6] Move to another region?
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:14:00 - [7] It still feels kind of lame. Forexample all the BS drones seem to have about the same "pool of drops" which means that the somewhat harder Queen can drop refinables worth much less than that generic BS drone. Sentient ones drops aug and integr drone parts, but the finished product is'nt particulary impressive compared to the much-easier-to-get T2 drones. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:19:00 - [8] letting people with no mining skills get freighterloads of minerals - check Trashed sig, Shark was here
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:27:00 - [9] Originally by: SiJira letting people with no mining skills get freighterloads of minerals - check People missing mining skills are probably also lacking the skills needed to refine the stuff at good rates. I don't know how good those refinables sell for if you just sell them via market directly. Think it was much lower that the actual mineral worth. Besides, people want to be able to hit faction/officer spawns for chances of instant zomg * isk. A good amount of people that are ratting in 0.0 does'nt even bother to loot nor to salvage the wrecks. --- Originally by:** Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:36:00 - [10] SOME system has to suck, and I guess this now replaces Geminate as the crappiest system in game. Drone regions will continue to suck until the devs decide to put in an even suckier system than it.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Princess Jodi If you think that is comparable to finding a Billion-isk Officer Item, I got some beachfront property in Arizona for you. Actually, there is beachfront property in Arizona. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Christari Zuborov SOME system has to suck, and I guess this now replaces Geminate as the crappiest system in game. Drone regions will continue to suck until the devs decide to put in an even suckier system than it. Sadly, the Drone Regions have actually been Fixed from what they were when they first came out. Origionaly, the Moons had no minerals at all, then very very poor mins, then the just way below average that we have now. Asteroids used to pop on a single laser cycle (And that took the wonderful guys at CCP over a year to figure out) so the fact that the asteroids actually work is probably a bug. And even if the goal was to create the worst area in all of Eve, CCP outdid itself: It created 8 whole Regions of sub-par junk.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Princess Jodi If you think that is comparable to finding a Billion-isk Officer Item, I got some beachfront property in Arizona for you. Actually, there is beachfront property in Arizona. Yes, but I didn't promise to sell you the good stuff, now did I?
El Mauru Amarr Nexus Analytics Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:48:00 - [14] As a guy who once lived in the drone regions (Frege :-P yeah- ***** jokes or sth)- I have to say that the drone regions are better now than people make them out to be. You can actually make quite an ISK off ratting there (comparable to the better/best regions in EVE), you just have to haul the alloys and manufacture stuff. That was before the introduction of faction drone stuff mind you (on which i have no experience so I can`t comment). The only thing I agree on with the op is that they sure were kind of bland as far as exploration was concerned. IMHO, just insert another faction (some kinds of pirates) as a random encounter to break up the monotony of always shooting the same stuff. That could of course be true for all regions, but holds a special value since the "thrill" of getting "named item x" is/was completely missing in drone space :-P To sum things up: Drone regions are fine from a balance standpoint, just more boring than the rest. -
Bob Stuart Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.01.28 15:50:00 - [15] The drone regions don't have enough asteroids, nebulae, NPCs that are shaped humorously, such as the shape of mammary glands or reproductive organs. Accordingly they don't have sufficient levels of crass immature humour.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:19:00 - [16] Originally by: El Mauru ....you just have to haul the alloys and manufacture stuff....just more boring than the rest. Exactly they suck first of to much hassle to haul the alloys and manufacture the stuff, (hauling all back to empire to sell it all is such a pan in the ass not to mention risky). Plus for the most part ratters donÆt have any production/refining skills to make much use of it all anyway. And well as El Mauru said it is just plain f***ing boring....ant nothing going to change that fact.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Richard Phallus on 29/01/2008 14:22:10 Ratter/Production Alt teams FTW!! Throw some trade skills in to take advantage of people with out refining skills too. --
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Richard Phallus Edited by: Richard Phallus on 29/01/2008 14:22:10 Ratter/Production Alt teams FTW!! Throw some trade skills in to take advantage of people with out refining skills too. Good idea....if your not a pore student like me and can actualy afford to have more than one acount.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Princess Jodi Sadly, the Drone Regions have actually been Fixed from what they were when they first came out. Origionaly, the Moons had no minerals at all, then very very poor mins, then the just way below average that we have now. Asteroids used to pop on a single laser cycle (And that took the wonderful guys at CCP over a year to figure out) so the fact that the asteroids actually work is probably a bug. And even if the goal was to create the worst area in all of Eve, CCP outdid itself: It created 8 whole Regions of sub-par junk. You forgot the part where drones wouldn't spawn unless you mining. Srsly, had to fit a mining laser on ratting ships for a good month or so before they fixed it. Exploration in drone-lands is either crappy or broken. So called "officer spawns" are a joke, even if you find one. You got profiteers like the guy above me screwing over his alliance mates, and you need a hauler alt just to rat. Mmm, life is good.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Brea Lafail You forgot the part where drones wouldn't spawn unless you mining. Srsly, had to fit a mining laser on ratting ships for a good month or so before they fixed it. Exploration in drone-lands is either crappy or broken. So called "officer spawns" are a joke, even if you find one. You got profiteers like the guy above me screwing over his alliance mates, and you need a hauler alt just to rat. Mmm, life is good. You dont nead a hauler alt just to rat....it dont take much work to train the skills need for a lvl2 hauler like the badger II for ex that is what I use for my hauler when ratting so you dont need a seprate toon just to haul
Daniel zorg Caldari Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:44:00 - [21] at least you dont have an influx of isk farmers like the rest of us
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Rakivic You dont nead a hauler alt just to rat....it dont take much work to train the skills need for a lvl2 hauler like the badger II for ex that is what I use for my hauler when ratting so you dont need a seprate toon just to haul Sure, if you dont mind spending half your ratting time just collecting the isk you already earned.
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:06:00 - [23] To put it simply, some space is better than other parts of space, dont like your space, then move to better space.
Raxxius Maelstrom	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:23:00 - [24] Thing is what can you add to the drone regions? A drone specific set of implants is one idea. Drone faction gear? might be nice if the drone regions had some decent blueprints. Spider drones? who wouldn't want those NPC drones from hell?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Shurikane Officer spawns - check. Hidden mining belts - check. Hacking sites - check. Deadspace complexes - check. I don't see the problem. Drones have officers? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Rakivic Who hear thinks that the drone regions of eve lack...well pretty much everything in the way of content compared to the faction regions? Because I for one do. Plenty of content in the drone regions, just ask DMC. ...
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Raxxius Maelstrom Thing is what can you add to the drone regions? Exploration sites worth the time and officer spawns that drop decent loot would be nice. Halving the volume of drone **** certainly wouldn't be opposed. Making drone wrecks worth salvaging, nice too.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:43:00 - [28] One thing that drone space does have: Plush compound Your ratters can easily supply you with the vast quantities of tritanium required for ship building - a moderately industrious ratter who sets up chains in a dozen or so belts should be able to provide 7-10M units of trit per day as a by-product of the high-ends he's seeking to export to empire. In fact all the minerals bar Mexallon are available in great quantities. Logistically, it's a LOT easier to import the Mexallon than the trit required to build ships in quantity. And logistically, Plush is incredibly compressed - it's something like 1/33rd the volume of the minerals obtainable, so it's much easier to use it to supply a manufacturing operation than Veldspar. So in theory, drone space should be a great place to have a ship building industry. And in fact there is such industry there. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis So in theory, drone space should be a great place to have a ship building industry. And in fact there is such industry there. It is a good place for cap ship production, Ill give you that, but the amount of trit in plush is negligible when compared to the amount of high-ends obtained from other compounds, all it does is supplement the freighters full of trit/pyr/mex required to use up the high-ends; so, you either haul high-ends to empire, or low-ends to 0.0 (or more likely both). Unless the high-low balance for ship production is adjusted, lows will always need to be imported (unless you got some hard-core industrial guys).
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:54:00 - [30] Our corp just moved to the drone regions and it is a big change from shooting Guristas. For one it is hard to work solo. Their is a role for shooting, for hauling, for refining, for making stuff with the resulting minerals, and for selling all that stuff. If you can get all that done it can be very profitable (or so it seems so far). With all those steps there is more opportunity for things to go wrong. If your hauler full of finished goods gets ganked going back to empire all that work is lost. I'm not sure about game content, but so far most of the excitement has come from other players. "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.29 16:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Malcanis So in theory, drone space should be a great place to have a ship building industry. And in fact there is such industry there. It is a good place for cap ship production, Ill give you that, but the amount of trit in plush is negligible when compared to the amount of high-ends obtained from other compounds, all it does is supplement the freighters full of trit/pyr/mex required to use up the high-ends; so, you either haul high-ends to empire, or low-ends to 0.0 (or more likely both). Unless the high-low balance for ship production is adjusted, lows will always need to be imported (unless you got some hard-core industrial guys). Well of course you take surplus high ends to empire - most 0.0 alliances have to do this anyway if they have miners, but even a Blockade Runner can move a billion ISK worth of Zydrine, never mind a Carrier. And yes, you still have to import low-ends: I said that mexallon has to be imported - that's your low end, paid for by that surplus Zydrine you just hauled. Would you rather have to import the mex or the trit? A carrier/ity5 load of mex goes a lot further than the same volume of trit. IIRC, Drone alloys seem to produce Pyerite more or less in proportion with trit, significantly underproduce Mexallon, Noxicum about right or somewhat in surplus, Zydrine massively in surplus, Megacyte in surplus. Morphite I don't know, since I know very little about T2 production, but probably in surplus. This is if you don't neglect to collect the low-end drone alloys. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.29 16:24:00 - [32] Meh, they have their charms. Ratting in the Drone Regions is a very different beastie for me from anywhere else I've flown. You ratted with two toons. One a miner that chewed the finest ores in the game, and a ratter who basically sat on his duff on overwatch popping the spawns. Throw it all into one can, spend fifteen minutes every two hours hauling with the miner. The only asteroid provided mineral missing is Mexallon, which was found in very good quantity from battleship loot drops. End result, you're monetary gains easily matched anything you'd find anywhere else in space, thanks to the high end ores. You only missed out on being able to fit a fleet of T1 ships from all the loot drops. But then the Drone Regions are a paradise for anyone with any aspirations of manufacturing, because everything in the region revolved around mineral aquisition. Zydrine and Megacyte are the gold standard of the realm, with some Morphite platinum for diversity. With the proper level of alliance provided security, a combat player with an industrial alt never wanted for ANYTHING. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Petsey Petrilinquo Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.01.29 16:52:00 - [33] When i was in the drone regions i made about 2bil in a month ratting. I hauled it to empire in a carrier. But after the Nerf it doesn't work anymore :( -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Major Stallion Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.29 16:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Rakivic Drone regions lacking content....any thoughts make your own? not that difficult tbh
Natalia Kovac Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.29 17:17:00 - [35] Edited by: Natalia Kovac on 29/01/2008 17:19:38 Edited by: Natalia Kovac on 29/01/2008 17:18:53 Well we use dreads for jumping now. And looking at getting a Rorqual for that. I don't think the regions are too bad, you can make a good amount of money. It does take some more effort collecting the alloys from the wrecks and hauling back to station etc (not all of us can spring for another account). And ofc no +sec gain from the stupid drones.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.01.29 21:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Malcanis This is if you don't neglect to collect the low-end drone alloys. You chain cruiser spawns? Trit, pyr AND mex need to be imported into drone regions, not just mex, but same goes for all of 0.0 so it's nothing you can hold against the drone regions. As for t2 production, I've been told the moons are crap, so it's pretty much out of the question, but I also know nothing of t2 production and could be wrong.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.29 22:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Malcanis This is if you don't neglect to collect the low-end drone alloys. You chain cruiser spawns? Trit, pyr AND mex need to be imported into drone regions, not just mex, but same goes for all of 0.0 so it's nothing you can hold against the drone regions. Ehh, you're joking about the Trit and Pyr, right? Those roids do exist out there in significant numbers. And yes, people do spend a couple hours a night once a week competing with Chribba if they're serious about industry. Mexallon is the ONLY non-local mineral to worry about, and the battleships drop LOTS of Plush. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.29 22:28:00 - [38] The entire south-east is lacking in content there are no npcs there at all but w/e its the conqrable corner. And there is still that huge gap between PB and PS.
Rakivic Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.30 13:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Westly Synpa The entire south-east is lacking in content there are no npcs there at all Well I think it is time for CCP to start adding things to that region......and still drone regions suck for npc ratting purposes
heheheh The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.30 13:52:00 - [40] Some space is good, some space is bad, if you dont like it, move.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.30 14:10:00 - [41] Out of a total of 188 system which contain ABCM (ABCM are the top grossing ores in eve Arkonor, Bistot, Crokite, Mercoxit) 181 of them are in the drone regions Of the remaining 7, 6 are in fountain and 1 is in outer ring Sooo adding extra stuff like more officers, complexs better encounters would just out balance the drone regions. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Draconyx	Posted - 2008.01.30 14:26:00 - [42] CCP stated from the start that drone regions were going to be different. The regions where set-up for industrialists who want to build. They were not going to be a rubber stamp of every other 0.0 region in EVE. I don't see any issues @ all. If anything (@ first glance)the drones regions hurt the miners but are pro builders. And to be honest like others have said. If you don't like it then move to another region. EVE is all about Choice.
Aethana	Posted - 2008.01.30 22:41:00 - [43] a cosmos constellation and ladar sites would be nice drone faction ships for players such as all the other factions get like the phantasm cynabal gila etc drone unique items such as named drone mods for ships--like a matriarch queen drone navigation stuff drone implants
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Draconyx CCP stated from the start that drone regions were going to be different. The regions where set-up for industrialists who want to build. They were not going to be a rubber stamp of every other 0.0 region in EVE. I don't see any issues @ all. If anything (@ first glance)the drones regions hurt the miners but are pro builders. And to be honest like others have said. If you don't like it then move to another region. EVE is all about Choice. The problem seems to be the lack of intermittent re-inforcement, the singlemost important aspect to consider when wanting a gamer or gambler to come back for more, the proverbial carrot dangling in front of someones head. Everything is predictable in the drone regions, there is no odd chance of finding something exceptional and that is a major difference. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:41:00 - [45] I like that some regions are better than others, making some corners easier for noob alliances to settle down, and some corners more sought after. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
SiJira	Posted - 2008.02.02 15:59:00 - [46] Originally by: RedLion I like that some regions are better than others, making some corners easier for noob alliances to settle down, and some corners more sought after. if only there were more ways to get there Trashed sig, Shark was here
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.02 17:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Malcanis This is if you don't neglect to collect the low-end drone alloys. You chain cruiser spawns? Trit, pyr AND mex need to be imported into drone regions, not just mex, but same goes for all of 0.0 so it's nothing you can hold against the drone regions. As for t2 production, I've been told the moons are crap, so it's pretty much out of the question, but I also know nothing of t2 production and could be wrong. No, you just have to collect the low end alloys as well, rather than just getting the Plush/Opulent. When I was ratting around WMN, I had more Pyerite than I knew what to do with, as did everyone else judging by the sell orders. As for importing trit... well, like I said. 1 ratter can generate 10M trit per day in addition to the other minerals. If your corp has a dozen ratters working with hauler support, then it should be getting enough tritanium to build a carrier every couple of days, or alternatively, ~10 tier 3 BS a day. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.02 18:19:00 - [48] Since I didn't read past the fifth post. There ARE Complexes in the drone regions. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.02 19:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Daniel zorg at least you dont have an influx of isk farmers like the rest of us there are quiet a few of those around.

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