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Wellard Geeza
Gallente Pitbull Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.29 13:38:00 -
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"You there! Move aside little man in the T1 Frigate and get the hell outta the path of my Carrier before I mow you down!
Long live capital ships! Removal from the game? What a ridiculous suggestion.
To the OP: There are those that will see a Bentley parked up and say 'hmm nice car - some day I'll own something like that'. Others will sneer at it as wasteful, ostentatious and vulgar and will call for such things to be banned. Horses for courses put simply. I, like other Capital pilots have worked damn hard to get that ship and the skills to use it properly, so CCP will never simply just remove them from the game - get real ffs. If I kill you it's because the voices told me to. It's nothing personal. |

SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.29 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Daelorn RAWL BACK TO CASTOR!!
signed Trashed sig, Shark was here |

Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.29 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 29/01/2008 20:16:00 What I *dont* like is the ability to drop a squad of capital ships ontop of a small gang fight.
I don't think capital ships need to be removed, I just don't think they should be the 'fast action response team'.
Right now they provide an interesting dynamic. If it ever came to a situation where fleets were comprised primarily of capitals rather than battleships, then I'd think we'd have a problem. As long as capital ships are vulnerable to smaller ships in some way (could be ewar, even) that requires them to have other non capital ships along to support them, I think things will be all right.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.29 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Onchas Erivvia epic post
This is why these guys came this |--| close to winning EVE.
In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device. |

Threv Echandari
Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.29 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 29/01/2008 21:12:15
Originally by: Akita T Stagflation (i.e. stagnation combined with inflation) would mean people have less and less means to acquire money (i.e. unemployment or somesuch), and that accrued wealth in cash form is depreciating (i.e. prices RISE). Since you have pointed out that "stuff" (including capitals) are getting cheaper, and that nobody really has a problem getting them... well... I see no stagnation, no inflation, and definetely no "stagflation" as you so put it.
Before spouting big words, you might want to research their meaning next time, and see if the meaning fits the situation you are trying to describe.
pwned.....hard
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.29 21:17:00 -
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Sounds like someone can't handle a sandbox environment. Players control who gets what in eve, if you want to hold space, you need to be able to fight off enemies.
Even if there weren't cap ships, your small corp would get rolled by large corps with t2 ships. What's next? Cap the number of players in a system?  _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it. |

Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.01.29 21:18:00 -
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You guys need to get off of this 'I can't beat it so it needs nerfing' kick.
The suggestions here are outrageous responses to the fact that a Capital can Cyno around. Get used to it... us Cap Pilots had to get used to not using gates. Many complaints are just pure ignorance. For example, someone suggested taking a Carrier against a group of Interceptors? Excuse me, but a Carrier has ZERO chance of actually killing any interceptor - they are simply to fast. Yet you don't hear me crying 'Nerf Speed'. (Well, not in this thread anyway)
Whenever Carrier pilots complain about things like 'I get scrambled too easily' or 'How can one frig keep me from locking anything' the forum response is always 'Don't fly a carrier alone'. Having lost 2 Carriers and a Dread to small gangs now, I know just how easily they die. I suggest you adapt your strategies. Its easy enough to bait/trap/kill Carriers - so much so that you'll find many FC's reluctant to include them in their gangs.
The only issue of substance in this thread is the Remote Repping Spider Tank. I fully admit that tactic is difficult/impossible to beat. Yet CCP don't think that is a problem - in fact encourages it as the Carrier's 'intended role'!
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.29 21:56:00 -
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Hm removing capships? ok? ccp can i please have my several million sp i invested in capships please transferred to other skills? kthnx.
Oh.. and while ur at it, please can i have my time invested in it refunded in isk?
Ermm.. to the op... NO, now go play something else if u don't like it. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Karlemgne
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.30 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ris Dnalor
Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 28/01/2008 20:04:59
Originally by: nether void Omfg, noob. Eve is a game where you are supposed to play like me and my buddies in giant 0.0 alliances. If you aren't willing to play the game exactly how I do, and make yourself a nameless drone in a large corp who is part of a large alliance, then STFU. Some of us treat this game like a real job, and you should too. If you aren't willing to play the game the way WE do and spend 8 hours a day online, being bossed around, and grinding so you can fly capital ships yourself go play wow.
Which by-the-way I used to play and was a member of big raiding guild. I told the noobs that weren't in raiding guilds that they shouldn't ask Blizzard to fix the game so they could enjoy it too. Everyone know that MMOs are about being bossed around on Vent or TS and spending 6 hours a day running high-end content. Everyone and everything else is pointless.
That's basically what I got out of your post.
-Karlemgne
I'm sitting here trying to think of a way to appropriately complement you on your post. I can't find the words. simply a work of art ;)
Why thank you. I knew that advanced forum warfare to 5 would payoff someday.
Cheers,
-Karlemgne
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Myrdyr
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Posted - 2008.01.30 14:38:00 -
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Take out insurance for capitals and you fix the capital problem. Please post constructively. ~Saint |

Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.01.30 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 30/01/2008 15:02:59
Originally by: Myrdyr Take out insurance for capitals and you fix the capital problem.
Many cap pilots don't insure their ships because on the grand scale of things they rarely die.
A better idea would be to remove insurance on 0.0 completely. Major ISK faucet stopped right there 
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.01.30 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 30/01/2008 15:45:45 All CCP needs to do is have the JOVE EMPIRE declare War on any one who owns, or is a member of a Corporation/Alliance who has someone in it that owns a Mother Ship, or a Titan.
Then allow CCP employees to hunt them down for fun in some UBER Crazy Powerful JOVE ship.
JUSTIFICATION : The Jovian High Council has decided that their little brother cousins are getting too powerful and need to be put back in their place.
That would allow the people who want to have such ships to get/keep them, but at a cost far greater than meer ISK. They would become the Prey themselves and will make people think twice about aquiring such ships.
The fact that only a real live CCP employee could involve themself in a hunt would actually be a limiting factor, but an interesting one.
Heck I might one day buy one just to have a shot at bragging rights to be able to say "I got Podded by a Jovian".
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Conrad Rock
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.30 17:14:00 -
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All CCP needs to do is not read this thread.
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon Sounds like someone can't handle a sandbox environment. Players control who gets what in eve, if you want to hold space, you need to be able to fight off enemies.
Even if there weren't cap ships, your small corp would get rolled by large corps with t2 ships. What's next? Cap the number of players in a system? 
Possibly, but not for reasons of fairness. Reasons of LAG enter my mind. It is, given the current environment, the ONLY way to solve the lag issues.
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evriss
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:29:00 -
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I dont really have a problem with CAP ships, i do however have a problem with the use of CERTAIN cap ships, mainly the carrier, its alrgly turning in to everymans hot drop tool and this is kinda fine in 0.0 but in low sec where small corps fight it out, its less good.
tbh, dreads i have no issue with, titans i am not really qualifyed to say.
with carriers, i have no issue with the amount of fighters, but if it was up to me, carriers would not be allowed to deploy the fighters for 60 seconds after arriving via cyno, this way they cant be used as a hot drop get out of jail free card that so many of the smaller org's use them as, they would have to be used tactically, and properly.
Evriss/NeoTheo/Sticky
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: evriss with carriers, i have no issue with the amount of fighters, but if it was up to me, carriers would not be allowed to deploy the fighters for 60 seconds after arriving via cyno....
That is a reasonable suggestion, actually.
In real life (yeah, I know it's stupid to compare the game with IRL, but for the sake of it having a precedent), and even in other space games (Wing Commander springs to mind), it takes time to launch fighters, though drone fighters would obviously be faster.
IIRC, all a mom pilot has to do is right-click their wad of fighters and click to deploy them all into space instantly. ________________
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major lulz11
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:48:00 -
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Oh wait, If CAPS are gone, then it'll be Battleships Online.
Lets Remove these as well.
Oh wait, If BattleShips are Gone, it'll be Commandships Online.
Lets Remove these as well.
Oh wait, If CommandShips are Gone, It'll be Next biggest Ship Online.
Lets make this Pods Online ok?
Shut the **** up.
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major lulz11
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
That is a reasonable suggestion, actually.
In real life (yeah, I know it's stupid to compare the game with IRL, but for the sake of it having a precedent), and even in other space games (Wing Commander springs to mind), it takes time to launch fighters, though drone fighters would obviously be faster.
IIRC, all a mom pilot has to do is right-click their wad of fighters and click to deploy them all into space instantly.
Um you're going to compair Jump driving a Capital ship to a Aircraft carrier?
Have you ever seen Battle Star Galactica?
Thats an Exact mirror of just how a MOM or Carrier deploys all its fighters at once.
At this point its better to sound like a nerd then a complete ******.
Sorry but its true.
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Admiral Annihilation
Ganja Labs Pure.
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Posted - 2008.01.30 18:52:00 -
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After we get capships removed from eve, lets all go play WoW and demand all level 70's to be banned. Then we can go play guild wars and complain about the expensive items we can't have. After that we can play super mario brothers 3 and demand koopa be nerfed.
WE CAN DO THIS! -------------------------------------
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.01.30 19:02:00 -
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Everything looks easy when you're not the one doing it. To you, it looks like 'just click a button and deploy all your Fighters.'
To me, its more like:
1> Cyno'd in...ok... is this a trap that I'm gonna be flammed for taking my ship to a gate for later? 2> Start picking targets. Better not pick anything small or I'll just be useless. 3> Anyone SmartBombing, any Stealth Bombers dropping bombs, anyone got me Jammed/Dampened/Scrambled yet? 4> Launch Drones or Fighters? 5> How is the Lag? 6> Are my Fighters off chasing a Vagabond that just warps around killing them? Damm, I wish I could see their damage when they're in Distant Space? Should I recall them? 7> Oh, my Fighters killed someone. Gotta order them to attack someone else now... 8> Gee, lag getting bad. Maybee I should switch to Drones cuz they will auto-target and don't fly off chasing someone into a POS shield. 9> Great.. someone targeting my Fighters. No lock on me, so I don't know who is doing it. Do I recall them all or just lose 15 mill every 20 seconds or so? 10> Well, I hope that guy didn't want his Megathron, cuz the sensor damps/jamming have prevented me from Remote Repping him. Too bad.. I got the module and the Cap, but that Uber T1 Jamming Frigate is just too much for my poor Carrier to overcome. 11> We damm well better win this fight, cuz if the order comes to bail there's no way in Hell I'm gonna ever get this thing into warp. Oh, don't have to worry about that - I forgot I'm permascrambled by that T1 Uber Frig of Doom. 12> Man, these Carriers can tank pretty well. Too bad its now meaningless, cuz once my gang died its just a matter of time. 13> I wonder if everyone will flame me more if I stay and die or if I log off? Might live if I log off. Where's a Shrike-requested 'accidental Node Crash' when you need one? 14> Hmm. Too bad it wasn't insured. Oh well, I can maybee sc*****up enough for another. But that one is gonna sit at a POS and delegate fighters next time. 15> Man...sitting at a POS while my Allies die in an epic fight is both Boring and Cowardly at the same time. Time to turn down the volume on TS... the screams are getting to me. 16> Hey... its all gone quiet and I only lost 150 mill in Fighters this time to idiots who let them get stuck on POS shields. Time to dip back behind the shields. 17> Well what do you know! I've actually got the skills to fly one of those Uber Frigate thingies! Well, next time I might try it and actually have some fun.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.30 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: major lulz11 At this point its better to sound like a nerd then a complete ******.
Sorry but its true.
I said there was a precedent for it, not that there weren't any alternative sci-fi genres where fighters deploy instantly.
Why I'm replying to an obvious troll alt, I don't know, but whoever you are, you're a dumbass who needs to beef up their reading comprehension skills and quit taking things out of context. ________________
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.01.30 19:11:00 -
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Any one play swg?
Remember the Jedi?
Remember the "hard" work (grind)
Any one play Eve online?
Remember the capitalships?
Remember the "hard" work (grind)
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Brachis
Caldari The Commissum
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Posted - 2008.01.30 19:16:00 -
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If Capitals are so easy to get, why do people keep complaining about getting attacked by them? If they're so easy to get, why does everyone have them except you? And why are people complaining about "Oh, me and my four buddies got jumped by 15 capitals!"... uhh, hate to break it to you, but I'm fairly certain that your odds aren't much better against 15 ships of any kind when there are only five of you.
Maybe this topic should be changed to "Nerf the blobbers", because that's all I'm hearing.
"I do this with but one small ship and I am called a terrorist... you do it with an entire fleet and are called an Emperor." |
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