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Mrtankk	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:40:00 - [1] This game needs to have cap ships removed. It was a mistake to impliment them, it was a mistake to make them OP. It was a mistake to pretty much require them for 0.0 life. EVE has suffered the same thing as all other MMO's. Stagflation of the economy, tons and tons and tons of ISK are in game now. Cap ships are more and more obtainable, cheaper, and easier to access for more and more people on a whole. The idea in its self was a good one, but the implimentation was flawed. Caps are THE end game of EVE. Some will disagree with that statement im sure, but overall, the huge majority will not. I hate trying to find a decent fleet fight, and having 20 carriers dropped on my 10 man gang. Of course, you cannot fix the sympton without fixing the problem. POS warfare. ********. STUPID. WORST GAME DESIGN EVER. Get rid of this garbage. The front lines of combat should be fluid. ever moving. swapping systems from hour to hour. You should be able to take a system in hours if your organized and co-ordinated enough. Not days. Or weeks. None of this. OMG we need 20 dreads, 20 carriers, and 150+ support to go kill this POS! Small group tactics! Why SHOULDNT a determined force or group of small people have a shot at holding space? Anyhow. Remove the cap ships. Remove the skills, refund the SP. Let them respend. ( although to be honest. to be a jerk, I would rather see the skill points go POOF. Cause I hate cap ships so much, and by extention, the people who fly them. This would make most of them quit im sure. good riddence. )
Mnem0nic Gallente MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:42:00 - [2] Removed. Please refrain form "Can I have your stuff" comments. Navigator
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:43:00 - [3] Either refill your ritalin scrip or play more twitch FPSs .
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:48:00 - [4] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 28/01/2008 18:49:12 Originally by: Mnem0nic Removed. Please refrain form "Can I have your stuff" comments. Navigator ♥ Navigator EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:50:00 - [5] Why is dropping capships on BS more lame than shooting haulers with BS? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:52:00 - [6] Congratulations! You can point out problems without offering viable solutions or constructive comments! Seriously, dude. Do you honestly think that the developers are suddenly going to just remove all capital and supercapital ships from the game? Or just remove POSes? You're an idiot. If you want current game mechanics changed, don't just throw a hissy fit on the forums, come up with a constructive thread and offer an alternative design or a viable change that they could implement without just removing trillions of ISK of assets from the game. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:55:00 - [7] last pos bust I took part in was made up of nothing bigger than battleships with a bunch of support cruisers and frigs. A few dreads would have been nice but we dont need them to wage war. And as far as wars go, they are a slow and ponderous thing that are always predicted to be over by christmas but never are...
Orb Lati Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:55:00 - [8] I thought i would remind the poster of how it was prior to sov and POS warfare but the realized that would be pointless so ill just summarize. FK OFF** "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.28 18:59:00 - [9] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 28/01/2008 18:59:09 Awww... someone's throwing a tantrum because they can't fly or afford cap ships Originally by: Sharupak When you go to vote, you are voting on whether you want to bend over or get on your knees.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:07:00 - [10] can we remove drones too? i hate those buzzing critters Trashed sig, Shark was here
Indomitus	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:13:00 - [11] Quote: None of this. OMG we need 20 dreads, 20 carriers, and 150+ support to go kill this POS! i was in a group who took a pos down only having BS and no caps...maybe ur group is determined but totally SUCKS AT THIS GAME..go play WoW lol
aQurio Infamous Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:16:00 - [12] If all these things bother you why dont you just stay in high sec. Capitals and pos warfare will not bother you in high sec and there is plenty of pvp. I will admit there is times i miss station ping pong and even shield recharging but those days are long gone, get over it.
Dr Slice mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Tarminic Congratulations! You can point out problems without offering viable solutions or constructive comments! Seriously, dude. Do you honestly think that the developers are suddenly going to just remove all capital and supercapital ships from the game? Or just remove POSes? You're an idiot. If you want current game mechanics changed, don't just throw a hissy fit on the forums, come up with a constructive thread and offer an alternative design or a viable change that they could implement without just removing trillions of ISK of assets from the game. To be fair, he did offer a viable solution: Remove Capital Ships from the game.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Mrtankk This game needs to have cap ships removed. It was a mistake to impliment them, it was a mistake to make them OP. It was a mistake to pretty much require them for 0.0 life. EVE has suffered the same thing as all other MMO's. Stagflation of the economy, tons and tons and tons of ISK are in game now. Cap ships are more and more obtainable, cheaper, and easier to access for more and more people on a whole. The idea in its self was a good one, but the implimentation was flawed. Caps are THE end game of EVE. Some will disagree with that statement im sure, but overall, the huge majority will not. I hate trying to find a decent fleet fight, and having 20 carriers dropped on my 10 man gang. Of course, you cannot fix the sympton without fixing the problem. POS warfare. ******. STUPID. WORST GAME DESIGN EVER. Get rid of this garbage. The front lines of combat should be fluid. ever moving. swapping systems from hour to hour. You should be able to take a system in hours if your organized and co-ordinated enough. Not days. Or weeks. None of this. OMG we need 20 dreads, 20 carriers, and 150+ support to go kill this POS! Small group tactics! Why SHOULDNT a determined force or group of small people have a shot at holding space? Anyhow. Remove the cap ships. Remove the skills, refund the SP. Let them respend. ( although to be honest. to be a jerk, I would rather see the skill points go POOF. Cause I hate cap ships so much, and by extention, the people who fly them. This would make most of them quit im sure. good riddence. ) stuff....can i haz it? ____________________________________________ Originally by:** Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Mrtankk Waaah waaah! we have a 10 man corp because we are too lazy/don't want to manage a bigger corp, and we got our eye punched out by those who do the extra work to get a bigger fleet! Waaaah! We want to be able to kill 50 people with just 10 people, even though this is insanely unrealistic! Waaaaah! That's what I got out of your post. If history has taught us anything it is: he who has the most people wins the war. Barring that: he who spends more money wins the war. Barring that: he who has fewer people and funds fights with guerrilla warfare. If you have fewer people, you'll have to find ways to stick and move. Keep it from ever becoming a game of numbers. Hit em and run. Set traps to get them solo or small gang. Hunt their supply routes. Do whatever it takes to keep your losses down, so as to avoid loss by attrition. Read some stuff about Vietnam and how they did their guerrilla ops, then try to adapt those concepts to Eve. But yeah if you want to anchor a POS (city) so as to 'claim' some space, you can't avoid the numbers game, just like in real life. You raise a city? I bring my army to raze your city. You can't run from that fight. Maybe find a couple of other small corps and form an alliance? That's basically what you're enemies are doing. --------------------------- CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s*** up, and we like to make that possible." nethervoid - since '97 [UO\|EQ\|SB\|SWG\|PS\|EVE\|NWN\|VG Beta\|WoW]
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Mrtankk EVE has suffered the same thing as all other MMO's. Stagflation of the economy, tons and tons and tons of ISK are in game now. Cap ships are more and more obtainable, cheaper, and easier to access for more and more people on a whole. Stagflation (i.e. stagnation combined with inflation) would mean people have less and less means to acquire money (i.e. unemployment or somesuch), and that accrued wealth in cash form is depreciating (i.e. prices RISE). Since you have pointed out that "stuff" (including capitals) are getting cheaper, and that nobody really has a problem getting them... well... I see no stagnation, no inflation, and definetely no "stagflation" as you so put it. Before spouting big words, you might want to research their meaning next time, and see if the meaning fits the situation you are trying to describe. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Mrtankk ( although to be honest. to be a jerk, I would rather see the skill points go POOF. Cause I hate cap ships so much, and by extention, the people who fly them. This would make most of them quit im sure. good riddence. ) Goon detected.
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:35:00 - [18] Goon detected. He cant be a goon, they love taking down motherships with a fleet of bantams...
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Tarminic Congratulations! You can point out problems without offering viable solutions or constructive comments! Seriously, dude. Do you honestly think that the developers are suddenly going to just remove all capital and supercapital ships from the game? Or just remove POSes? You're an idiot. If you want current game mechanics changed, don't just throw a hissy fit on the forums, come up with a constructive thread and offer an alternative design or a viable change that they could implement without just removing trillions of ISK of assets from the game. To be fair, he did offer a viable solution: Remove Capital Ships from the game. I think that calling that a "valid" solution is a stretch so extreme it warps space-time. You can't simply remove trillions of ISK in assets, that's a hell of a lot worse than nerfing honestly. Even if your carrier is useless you can melt it down and sell the minerals. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
General StarScream Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:38:00 - [20] I agree 100% i allso suffer from this Cap envy, and i really think they should be nerfed, until i can fly one as well. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.28 19:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Karlemgne on 28/01/2008 19:52:54 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 28/01/2008 18:59:09 Awww... someone's throwing a tantrum because they can't fly or afford cap ships Not that I agree with the substance of the OP's post, but you do realize that you could have his opinion while still having either (or both) the money and skills to fly a capital ship? For instance, I can afford capital ships. I could also, should I chose to buy the required skill books, be in one rather quickly. Personally, I hate them, think they're too much of a liability, and prefer to be really good at flying regular ships. This doesn't mean that I think cap ships can be removed from the game (as the OP suggests). Rather it is simply an illustration that it is possible ::shock:: that some of us don't want to fly cap ships. EVEN if they're affordable for us, and we have the skills, or could have them rather quickly. My point. Don't assume people who aren't in cap ships, or who don't like them, are simply people who want them but can't afford them. That is, to be frank, ******* ridiculous. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:04:00 - [22] Edited by: Karlemgne on 28/01/2008 20:04:59 Originally by: nether void Omfg, noob. Eve is a game where you are supposed to play like me and my buddies in giant 0.0 alliances. If you aren't willing to play the game exactly how I do, and make yourself a nameless drone in a large corp who is part of a large alliance, then STFU. Some of us treat this game like a real job, and you should too. If you aren't willing to play the game the way WE do and spend 8 hours a day online, being bossed around, and grinding so you can fly capital ships yourself go play wow. Which by-the-way I used to play and was a member of big raiding guild. I told the noobs that weren't in raiding guilds that they shouldn't ask Blizzard to fix the game so they could enjoy it too. Everyone know that MMOs are about being bossed around on Vent or TS and spending 6 hours a day running high-end content. Everyone and everything else is pointless. That's basically what I got out of your post. -Karlemgne
Xindi Kraid Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:11:00 - [23] Originally by: nether void Originally by: Mrtankk Waaah waaah! we have a 10 man corp because we are too lazy/don't want to manage a bigger corp, and we got our eye punched out by those who do the extra work to get a bigger fleet! Waaaah! We want to be able to kill 50 people with just 10 people, even though this is insanely unrealistic! Waaaaah! That's what I got out of your post. If history has taught us anything it is: he who has the most people wins the war. Barring that: he who spends more money wins the war. Barring that: he who has fewer people and funds fights with guerrilla warfare. If you have fewer people, you'll have to find ways to stick and move. Keep it from ever becoming a game of numbers. Hit em and run. Set traps to get them solo or small gang. Hunt their supply routes. Do whatever it takes to keep your losses down, so as to avoid loss by attrition. Read some stuff about Vietnam and how they did their guerrilla ops, then try to adapt those concepts to Eve. But yeah if you want to anchor a POS (city) so as to 'claim' some space, you can't avoid the numbers game, just like in real life. You raise a city? I bring my army to raze your city. You can't run from that fight. Maybe find a couple of other small corps and form an alliance? That's basically what you're enemies are doing. If only we could set traps. We need minefields and such --Bird of Prey: Forum God 1. War 2. 3. Profit
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:12:00 - [24] @The people that are saying, go band with others and form alliances and gank and MMO's are not for solo play, etc etc and so forth... The questions are... a) Why should he play the game the way you want it? b) Where is it written that a MMO, any MMO should be played with a bunch of people giving orders to others in TS? c)What happened to the association of FUN with GAMES? GF:Sugar come here i gotz thingz to show ya... SOMEONE: Not nowz love, i gotz to mine for my bossez in my big allianz so that he can have his capital shipz and we be big on za internet gamez. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:13:00 - [25] Oh dear, is it that time of the month already?
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:13:00 - [26] But it looks sooo good on the killboard when an 8 man bc group kills a carrier
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Orb Lati I thought i would remind the poster of how it was prior to sov and POS warfare but the realized that would be pointless so ill just summarize. FK OFF** there was no need to swear ======================== XXX
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:20:00 - [28] Dear Mr. Noob Alt OP: The entire region of Querious, former home to one of the longest lasting Alliances in Eve (Fix), was taken without a single Capital Ship. I believe the count was over 48 POS's, all destroyed with BS's. Other than that obvious refutation of your entire premise, I would point out that you need to keep your grubby hands off of my beautiful Carrier. ZuluPark, is that you?
baltec1	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:24:00 - [29] look theres 2 arguments going on in here. The first is the argument that the cost of losing ships is too high. Which to be honest is compleatly irelevent since if you cannot afford to lose it you shouldnt be flying it in pvp in the first place. Fly only what you can afford to lose. The second is people who are wanting more fights and don't like the fact that when they encroch upon an area of space controled by an organised corp/allience get a gang of ships show up to engage them. There is no use complaining about it because at the end of the day its your choice to be a pirate/soloist so you only have yourself to blame when a corp/allience shows up to deal with your trespassing. Equaly you cannot complain about people running from superior firepower since at the end of the day they are looking out for thier own interests not yours.
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2008.01.28 20:32:00 - [30] this is such a pointless arguement! you have to have capital ships!!! EVE is a space game ffs!!! a space game without cap ships is like C&C without the mammoth tank!!! blasphemy

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