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TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:49:00 - [31] This is our Galaxy now... the Galaxy of the Blue and the Red, the beauty of the battle. We make use of Station Services already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons in Empire, and you call us Evil. We PvP in lowsec... and you call us Griefers. We seek after Ships and Wrecks... and you call us Pirates. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without Corporate bias... and you call us Blobbers. You build Allegencies, you wage wars, you metagame, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the Carebears. Yes, I am a Carebear. My crime is that of Isk and fun in game. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, and the primaries they shoot, not what they say on CAOD. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a Carebear, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, this corp, this Alliance... but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
Papa Digger OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:49:00 - [32] They killed Kenny! ---- ex-CEO.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:52:00 - [33] After bob perpetrating the "there are no goons" campaign, I didn't hate them- I, Like the vast majority of goons just wanted to get even. What caused myself and the majority of the other alliances in the game still interested in fair play to hate them was t20. t20 was just a scapegoat, He was caught only once and the ****-storm that it brewed is unprecedented and is relentless to this day- Now, just imagining all the other instances where they weren't caught is what clinches it.
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:53:00 - [34] Why do people hate them? You mean, "Besides the arrogance, the lying, and the cheating, why?" No reason, I guess. Just cuz.
Vanessa LaiDai GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:54:00 - [35] Originally by: TroNaaR This is our Galaxy now... the Galaxy of the Blue and the Red, the beauty of the battle. We make use of Station Services already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons in Empire, and you call us Evil. We PvP in lowsec... and you call us Griefers. We seek after Ships and Wrecks... and you call us Pirates. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without Corporate bias... and you call us Blobbers. You build Allegencies, you wage wars, you metagame, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the Carebears. Yes, I am a Carebear. My crime is that of Isk and fun in game. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, and the primaries they shoot, not what they say on CAOD. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a Carebear, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, this corp, this Alliance... but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. respect
Frederick Skinner GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:56:00 - [36] It was all for Tetsujin.
Commander 598 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:57:00 - [37] I haven't been here as long as all the other Goons so I'll give you my take. Despite not being here for them, I've heard all the stories... BoB seems to love to claim "honor" and "good fights" despite using all the same dirty tricks that everyone else employs, they also seem to have a habit of claiming that they're above those same tricks and are aggressively arrogant about it, especially here. (Honestly you have to admit that the first two pages of a thread being nothing but a BoB circlejerk to the same sort of drivel everyone complains about Goons spouting is pretty bad considering the apparent state of things) To top it all off, they continue to do it despite being almost completely removed from 0.0 space...if I didn't wander around in the actual war zone from time to time, I doubt I would have ever seen anyone with an RKK corp tag/ticker in 0.0.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:02:00 - [38] Most people don't hate BoB, we just find them amusing to poke.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either. What's so bad about hate?
Kerviz Gawd Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:07:00 - [40] bob killed my father and raped my mother
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:09:00 - [41] If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. ~~THe THiNGS u oWN eND uP oWNiNG u~~
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. Then Band of Brothers will truly be released from their POS shackles!
Sultry Black Minmatar Black Hearts	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. ~~THe THiNGS u oWN eND uP oWNiNG u~~ Now you are getting the picture.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Sultry Black Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. ~~THe THiNGS u oWN eND uP oWNiNG u~~ Now you are getting the picture. one way street
Bane Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. I see you subscribe to the "mo' money, mo' problems" theory of alliance management.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either. What's so bad about hate? Takes a lot for me to hate someone ;O http://eve.klaki.net/
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Commander 598 I haven't been here as long as all the other Goons so I'll give you my take. ...To top it all off, they continue to do it despite being almost completely removed from 0.0 space...if I didn't wander around in the actual war zone from time to time, I doubt I would have ever seen anyone with an RKK corp tag/ticker in 0.0. This summarizes why most of EvE "hates" BoB as you put it, and how little they actually know. Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others, but a lot of people really don't know why BoB is any worse than any number of alliances. The main reason people are shooting bob rather, is that they said they were the best, they said they wanted to conquer all of 0.0, and if you weren't blue, you might not like that; and for the Goons, they want to rid eve of GS. But tbh, you should really stop reading CAOD. It has little to do with what actually happens ingame, and is here mostly for jokes and laughs. People like Mittani are probably hired by CCP to get people into roleplaying, though the mods have sadly made him tone it down :( ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:43:00 - [49] No Jordan, I assure you that BoB is, in fact, worse, and I'd ask you to stop pigeonholing me. Remember: Down the block, not across the street. Originally by: Securion Wolfheart EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.
Pax Uranus Sofa.Kingdom	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others Oh **** son FIX finally coming out of the coattail closet.
fugazii Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:55:00 - [51] because people have been getting beat by them for 4 years. if you look at alliance leaders today many of them are older players, who have lost sometime in the past. the north is still all made up of the same people that lost during the gnw, sacked by the5. the orchestrator of this war RA has been fighting bob in some form since early 04, with atuk during curse, then they lost much of their space to the5 and retook it, then lost much of their space to lv then retook it. plus gs got demolished in syndicate when they fought bob solo. plus they essentially started the propaganda on mass scale. the ascn war, which saw alot is nothing compared to the GNW. People hate spam and propaganda and bob did this on mass scale, but unlike how gs does it today they did it with actual posts and not 100 1 line zingers within the span of 30 seconds. the only people i dont think are being drivin by grudges is AAA who i just believe want good fights. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:58:00 - [52] Originally by: Pax Uranus Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others Oh **** son FIX finally coming out of the coattail closet. Call us whatever you want. We picked our side and stuck it out. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat People like Mittani are probably hired by CCP to get people into roleplaying, though the mods have sadly made him tone it down :( yeah ccp loooooooooves me starts threadnaught
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:19:00 - [54] Originally by: fugazii plus they essentially started the propaganda on mass scale. the ascn war, which saw alot is nothing compared to the GNW. People hate spam and propaganda and bob did this on mass scale, but unlike how gs does it today they did it with actual posts and not 100 1 line zingers within the span of 30 seconds. Guess they did it wrong then, after all.
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: Pax Uranus Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others Oh **** son FIX finally coming out of the coattail closet. Call us whatever you want. We picked our side and stuck it out. You know, when you stick it out, there's always the chance that come goon will come along and lop it off. Better just to tuck whatever is left back inside where it won't get hurt anymore.
Andre Ricard Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:25:00 - [56] I hate BoB for entirely different reasons than the others listed here. I hate BoB, despise them even, for being the worst griefers the game has ever seen. Yes Goonswarm gets knocked for scamming newbies and running comedy smartbomb Ravens to pop noobships and whatnot, but that's all really smalltime stuff. It never takes all that long to recover from it. In contrast, sit back a bit and consider what BoB has done in the past seven months since the destruction of Darwin's Contraption. This really should go back even further but that's a good starting point. They convinced about a dozen alliances of varying sizes and levels of competency to rent space from them in front of Delve. When these places were attacked however, BoB would do little, if anything, to actually assist their 'renters'. Whether this was from overextension due to the Catch Campaign or due to apathy will probably never be completely clear, but the point is still obvious: BoB bilked billions of ISK out of these groups every month, and in return those groups got nothing. Well, correction, they got firey death and internet agony at the hands of a rabid army that hated them due to their relationship with their landlord. Now a lot of these alliances may not have survived well on their own anyway. Given the way RISE and RMF ended up going down, could they have stood on their own regardless? It's hard to say, although without BoB in the picture it seems likely that they wouldn't have faced the full force of Russians and Goons and French and Sniggs invading their space all at once. They were never given that chance, however, because Uncle Bob beat them with sticks, took their money then shoved them outside to the wolves. The vassals who participated lost almost everything they had. Capitals, outposts, time, effort, morale, friendships. Entire alliances were torn apart by the RSF because BoB put them directly in the path of the train. And at the end? BoB simply forgot about them. Told them to turtle up in Delve or get lost. It became obvious that the vassals were nothing more than fodder. BoB had basically run the greatest scam in EVE history that ended up costing thousands, literal thousands, of players tens of billions of ISK collectively. BoB has committed a communal act of grief that the Goons will never be able to match, no matter how hard they ever try. Thousands of players lied to for months, bilked out of nearly all their resources, and then have nothing to show for it except humiliation. This is why I detest BoB. It's an act of grief that is beyond the pale of even EVE. When you reach **** at this level it threatens the greater health and sanctity of the game. Had BoB even really come to defend their vassals I wouldn't be so disgusted with them (and make no mistake, had BoB really defended RISE or RMF or whoever such a fight would have taken a month for each alliance.) But they didn't, they ran a huge land scam, and its size may prove detrimental to the growth of EVE in at least the short term. How many players quit because they were lured in by promises and then became bitter when no help was given to them? How many will now poison the waters for players who may have tried EVE otherwise? We have a record of 41000 players online. Had BoB not scammed thousands, could that number be 42000? 43? Higher? We'll never know because BoB has robbed thousands of people the chance to experience 0.0 as it should be experienced. So that is why I have BoB. Past a certain level, certain behaviors simply cannot be ignored or forgiven and what BoB has done to 0.0 over the past year or more is simply beyond the pale. I will enjoy watching NOL burn and the remaining vassals being freed from their fetters forever. And I will laugh as the high-and-mighty leaders of BoB watch their internet spaceships die screaming as they reap what they have sown. ----- Character back under original management.
Barwinius Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:45:00 - [57] They kept kicking my sandcastle.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:54:00 - [58] Most of the alliances fighting BoB are alliances comprised of people that were beaten by them in the past, and obviously mocked in the forums. Its no wonder most people "hate", do people feel hatred over a game?!, BOB alliance members and want to see them suffer what almost half off the 0.0 alliances did. BoB had the habbit of using their supporters, Horde, Xelas, Rise, etc etc and so forth while they had some utility, either as shields to fill gaps in any given region or... well basicly thats what it was perceived, and they did it with great success. Most of the people that got kicked, except Xelas that due to some unknown reason went away like good sheep, got **ed and turned from blue to red towards BOB and friends. Then you have the T20 incident wich was a blow by itself and that one really *ed off the entire comunity, i meen, it was a bit <--------------------------------------------------------> or so bad what happened, still i believe it was an isolated incident withtin their alliance, CCP dealt with it so all is good. Then you also have the 0.0 conquer them all pokemon style molle anouncement, this, the fall of ASCN the "remaping" of the North and the forces allied against them took BOB at its weakest point and it takes as into today. ( being very fast foward in explaining and jumping alot of stuff ) Yet there is one thing that must be said and credit that must be given, those guys rock, alone, in Delve, with empire wars and completely surrounded they resist and fight and can actually claim some good victorys, no one can say they did the same. Were BOB stand today is the point were most of the alliances crumbled and disbanded, instead BOB dug in and said " come get some! " Yes they could be less arrogant, and some less offensive towards other people, but, you will find the same atitude now in some of the alliances that are together in the coalition , and that only proves one thing, everyone will be a "BOB" if they think they can get away with it. People claim BOB did a whole lot of propaganda, true they did, but to some extent it was nice to read and the arguements were somewhat fun follow, even the battle reports, Goons and the alt-brigade on the other hand... i meen its like the sewers you can't read a post without having to fast scroll trough 20 or 40 goon posts that add nothing usefull to it. People also claim metagaming and exploiting, well during this whole time some coughexploitsandcoughother reports... sore throat ...of the other alliances have done the same and CCP has put out the fires much faster, so all is good here. My final consideration on the matter is, no one is better than BOB, moraly speaking they are all the same given the chance, take one or two alliances in exception, now in terms of ability to fight, now BoB are on another league, they did some mistakes that are now costing them their space but they have nothing left to prove, if you examine well they practically reseted the map on 2 ocasions, D2 ( with MC's help ) and ASCN conflict, other than that no other alliance can say they did the same, nor anyone can say that their alliance has resisted to this much, maybe RA or GOONs that suffered quite a bit and made their comebacks. To be honest sometimes i remember some names that are in there and were part of one of my former corps and i feel, yeh b***h die!, but then again i have good friends in there also that went into BOB, or were a part of BoB from a loooong ago and they knew the current state of affairs so its mixed feelings. This war may speed up a bit now and reach its conclusion but BOB will never die or be forgotten i guess, but anyways its 6a.m. here, gotz 12h shift on my back and i need to go to sleep. Disclaimer: No i don't speak for my alliance or corporation, my views are my own and they don't reflect their standings, etc etc and so forth have a nice day. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Isolde Jakiri Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Andre Ricard They convinced about a dozen alliances of varying sizes and levels of competency to rent space from them in front of Delve. When these places were attacked however, BoB would do little, if anything, to actually assist their 'renters'. Whether this was from overextension due to the Catch Campaign or due to apathy will probably never be completely clear, but the point is still obvious: BoB bilked billions of ISK out of these groups every month, and in return those groups got nothing. I hate BoB because they griefed RISE and CORM more than I ever could.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them; (dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases) forum arrogance Guilty! Quote: exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word) If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason. Quote: cheating (literally) 1 person cheated, t20. I know that I disliked that just as much as everyone else. Quote: metagaming shrug is that really a concern nowadays and its not exactly exclusive to BoB. Quote: been defeated/slandered by them in the past I guess that goes for alot of alliances in the coalition. Quote: used by them I assume this is referring to renter alliances? If an alliance wants to be in non-NPC 0.0 but don't have the military strength or the allies to hold it, renting space might be an option for them. We could provide this option and guarantee safety at one point in time to those alliances. Several months after the fight against the coalition (omg the alliances which we **ed off in the last years finally got their together and put aside their differences!) kicked off, we could no longer guarantee that and dropped the rent for those alliances. I remember that during the Catch campaign with MC we went down to support the renters jeopardizing the campaign there (and also **ing off MC). Molle and other people spent alot of time evacuating their assets from Feythabolis, why would we do that if we were using them? Actually nvm, we have a reputation to keep on the forum of being arrogant and evil

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