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Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:32:00 - [121] Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together . you'll never jump alone
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:34:00 - [122] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 2373472356 on 31/01/2008 11:34:39 Originally by: Shaitis I don't think ppl hate Bob for controlling anything or being uber, ppl hate Bob cause they are jealous or their application to Bob was unanswered ;) That is the truth. No other alliance except MC can work as a single body and actually plan their movements and execute it. Now it is time for BoB to die...but it is not because of their weakness just because of overwhelming amount of average alliances combined in to one big chaotic wave of ships. your name is an anagram for 'a shit is'. after reading your post i thought it appropriate to mention. ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:34:00 - [123] Originally by: Johnny Cage Better ask yourself how long would RAZOR last alone against such odds. My bets a couple days hiding inside POS fields and crying out for help - at BEST. What you are forgetting is that those ODDS are self-inflicted. BOB did this to themselves just as much as we do it. However, more or less my job description in RZR (as I see it) is to make sure we never end up in that situation. That's part of EVE and aspiring to be a prospering alliance. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Garia666 the only bad guys are the goons.. respectless noobs.. its only because of RA they are what they are now.. but i predict the goons will get amoment that they think they are so uber that they even can **** off RA.. that's the kind of tough talk that will land you the contract you need to make it to the big leagues! ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:36:00 - [125] Originally by: Johnny Cage Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together Just like during the days of MC steamroll in the north? Right. You are best allies one would ever hope to have. I have no problems to admit that MC outclassed us some of the best fights I ever had was against MC on thier northern steamroller campaign.
toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:37:00 - [126] I dont HATE anyone, its a game FFS, I have freinds from old corps flying with BOB and know that at grass roots level they are doing the same as me, and playing to have fun. (OFF TOPIC> I also believe this is why BOB will lose, as the coalition can close down BOB's operations enough that it is no longer fun to log in with a BOB ticker under your name). But I believe that BOB is bad for the game, as an alliance is has the stain of cheating and corruption on it, wether totally deserved or not , that stain will follow BOB wherever they go in EVE, Players will look at BOB and always say they are only where they are because of the T20 affair, the TS attacks, the MSN private communications with CCP, the "Convienient" Events provided by the RP team, the use of spies , etc etc etc. To have a powerful bloc ( at one time the most powerful) which ordinary players have the perception of being helped to that position by out of game methods and the game developers, means that ordinary players will believe they can never attain that level of superiority as the decks will always be stacked against them. That is why BOB must be defeated.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:39:00 - [127] Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:40:00 - [128] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2373472356 Originally by: Rod Blaine [Hate is a big word] People dislike the attitude we've chosen to take in the past, present and future, which would often be one of arrogance and elitism over trying to be agreeable to others. But that's not something new. We have not had, do not have and will not have any problems with dealing with the results from our chosen attitude. We are still better then you. future? best to remain hopeful I don't need hope. I've got Evol. [center] Old blog
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:41:00 - [129] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance Are you saying its not true? Just say Yes or NO
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:42:00 - [130] Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't need hope. I've got Evol. Evolution ends in Extinction. -clp

Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:42:00 - [131] t20 is a very good reason to not like them. There are also more exploit accussations, at least Xirt told me amazing stories about how BoB has a clear POS advantage sometimes But the real reason was when they destroyed the CE titan. Seriously, this was such shaby half-arse bug abuse that I really had to think about who the person is that executed this plan. I am a longterm scammer/pirate/abuser of people and to be honest, I wouldn't do such a shaby work, not for all ISK. And on top of this stupid bug-abuse they spilled so much salt into the wound on the forums. It really feels good whenever I take a look on the territorial map. Hopefully having zero stations will reduce their recruitment momentum aswell as decreasing their member count. We can only hope, but seriously, who wants to be part of this brotherhood anyway.
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:44:00 - [132] Originally by: dr shark Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance Are you saying its not true? Just say Yes or NO a shark with a medical degree? ha! ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:49:00 - [133] Edited by: Fred0 on 31/01/2008 11:49:39 Originally by: dr shark Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance Are you saying its not true? Just say Yes or NO BOB are not better than the Coalition in any relevant EVE related matter right now. In fact we are far far better than you. You are outclassed. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Maraleith	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:55:00 - [134] Bob still doesn't understand why its so reviled. That's why they deserve to die. When I first started playing this game I heard about this terrifying alliance that you NEVER crossed. Named BoB, they were feared. And respected. Their leadership was talked about in genuine tones of admiration. Everyone wanted to join BoB or be like BoB, because they were considered to be the best. The elite. The most well organised, deadliest PvP machine that made no bones about winning and winning well. Sir Moll'es posts were arrogant and high handed. That was fine when you walked the walk and talked the talk. The game mechanics, well, we all thought it was fine. How many of us said to our corpies; "Damn, I wish I had thought of that!" But, then came the rumours and innuendo. All whispers and hushed thoughts about how they were advantaged by certain GM's. How certain decisions JUST seemed to favour them. How servers allways seemed to go down when it favoured them. No one believed these stories. Surely they weren't true. As for Goonswarm and Red alliance. When they got crushed, who cared? I didn't even know their name. Except for Red alliance (every knows the russians!) Much to everyone's deep disappointment, the stories were actually not stories but truth. The rumours were true. All the wild innuendo was based on truth. The uber PvPers, the intimidators, the smack talking, the exploitation of game mechanics...all of the stories were not just credible but one or two of them were true. BoB have had every advantage possible in Eve. GM's on their side, advising them on skill training. GM's giving them t2 prints. FACT. Oh, but they were not very good prints, Bob protested. Having made Sabres, I know just how profitable they really are and dismiss the protests with contempt. It's easy to rule in eve when you can make isk like water. Its easy to afford Hulk prints when you have the financial clout to just go out and buy them I was as angry as hell. Then came the bitter atrtacks directed at ASCN's leadership. It was a tactic, a legitimate tactic to undermine ASCN's leadership through public ridicule but let's be clear, I thought it was lame. And the tenor and tone was malicious. It was personal, it attacked an individual, mocking him for his commitment to the game and what he believed it. It was laden with spite and bitterness, maybe even a hint of jealousy. It worked a treat. But I began to question everything when I heard the toll it took. What price a victory in an online world when it brings a man to tears of humiliation and frustration? The Goons revel in such endeavours, that's why I don't think much of them either. I'd like to think their learning, but who knows. Now I smile. When I hear of a CEO self-destructing his capital ship and the mocking; I grin. When another station falls, I relish the pain that is being inflected. Not because I am vindictive. (okay, a little bit.) But now BoB and its remaining pilots feel what everyone else feels when their alliance dies. They wonder what they can do? how they can hold on? Whether they should run or fight? Teamspeak is full of gloom and doom. And no matter what they say; they know their days of being respected are gone. For the arrogant leadership of that alliance; that's a fate worse than death. Worse than losing every ship they have, every station they once controlled. Once to say you were in BoB was a mark of achievement. Now its a mark of infamy. One that brands its owner like a conviction. I wonder if BoB really understand why its no longer respected but reviled. I wonder if they care. Deep down,I think they do. Because its a long way to fall from that pedestal they were once alone upon. As for the "pendulum"; well a pendulum swings both ways in a grandfather clock. Tick tock, tick tock.
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:58:00 - [135] Originally by: Fred0 BOB are not better than the Coalition in any relevant EVE related matter right now. In fact we are far far better than you. You are outclassed. Thank you for nice quote
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:00:00 - [136] Originally by: The Mittani dianabolic db preacher sir molle t20 m hoshi/nebulai sergeant spot I am not on that list, 2 billion isk sent Originally by: Callie Nefarious I hate bob because Molle keeps dafuzz in his corp! <3 Callie lol -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:00:00 - [137] The whole issue summed in in one line from a long post... Quote: Once to say you were in BoB was a mark of achievement. Now its a mark of infamy. One that brands its owner like a conviction.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:01:00 - [138] Originally by: Johnny Cage Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together Just like during the days of MC steamroll in the north? And unlike those alliances that where put in to 'secure' our space, we are still here and they have mostly vanished. We don't disband/surrender that easy :)
Kalek Astroth A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:04:00 - [139] you hate when you fear... no fear , no hate , only respect (mostly for their Fc's) and lot of fun killing them
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:22:00 - [140] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 12:23:09 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE. In eve BOB is the most successful alliance ever to hold space and the process to gain that title is the answer to your question. Firstly they have killed off alliances that were considerably larger than themselves on multiple ocasions and in doing so eventual created a large enough player base of refugees to become a problem. Secondly the larger alliances that were already around joined up with the antibob factions as they knew that as a large alliance if BOB won they would be next on the hit list. You will proly see a lot of posts on here about cheating and metagaming but aside from a couple of individual incidents involving a single player or two nothing in those claims could have swung the multi thousand player wars that BOB has fought and won over the years. Also the claims of forum arrogance is a joke because pretty much ever alliances has forum posters who love to brag and boast on caod or other forums. So quite simply BOB became too successful and because nobody or very few ppl actualy leaves EVE when they die in game BOB eventualy created a player base of ppl large enough to beat them. The blob you see on the forums and in game attacking them is a testament to their victories and others failures anything else is just propoganda. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!

Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:30:00 - [141] Edited by: Local Her0 on 31/01/2008 12:33:26 Edited by: Local Her0 on 31/01/2008 12:30:16 i hate bob because they say stuff like Originally by: Zoland I don't post with any other goal then to express what I think. People can believe what they want. It doesn't matter to me. and then, 2 hours later, they make a thread asking why people hate BOB so much - as in "i care about your opinion" call it double-standards, call it lies, call it Hypocracy, doesent matter
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Everything's Coming Up Millhouse	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:43:00 - [142] I think for the majority of players who are not directly involved in 0.0 politics, it would have to be the T20 incident and how BoB conducted itself. I have no problems with elitist powergamers, if you spend a lot of time getting very good at a game feel free to smack all you want, it doesn't bother me... However, if you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, a responsible organization does whatever is necessary to restore trust and show that they are not cheaters/exploiters. CCP realized this (eventually, after much kicking and screaming) and made some fundamental changes to governance that I think made the game better overall. In fact I came back to the game because I honestly feel CCP took this seriously and took the proper steps to correct it. BoB however basically spent the entire incident hurling insults at the rest of the community, claiming their innocence and, outright lying about what they did and didn't know. Basically the response you would expect out of a petulant 11-year old as opposed to "the most powerful alliance in the game." After that, any good will BoB had in the larger community evaporated and most non-involved folk openly or subtly decided to support the Goons. It's a shame really. If BoB leadership had acted in a responsible (classy) manner during that one incident (taking some responsibility, promising to give back any ill-gotten gains) instead of acting like jerks I think they would have retained a lot more tacit support. In any event I think most folk feel that the EvE universe would just be substantially better off without them. (Disclaimer: I am fully aware BoB's forums antics were intended to enrage the entire EvE community, as explained in numerous bubble charts and flow diagrams put together at the 2003 Feldman Bar Mitzvah, and by even making this post I am furthering their cause and dancing like a monkey on a string. Dance monkey, dance.)
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:51:00 - [143] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 12:41:00 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE. In eve BOB is the most successful alliance ever to hold space and the process to gain that title is the answer to your question. Firstly they have killed off alliances that were considerably larger than themselves on multiple ocasions and in doing so eventualy created a large enough player base of refugees to become a problem. Secondly the larger alliances that were already around joined up with the antibob factions as they knew that as a large alliance if BOB won they would be next on the hit list. You will proly see a lot of posts on here about cheating and metagaming but aside from a couple of individual incidents involving a single player or two nothing in those claims could have swung the multi thousand player wars that BOB has fought and won over the years. Also the claims of forum arrogance is a joke because pretty much every alliance has forum posters who love to brag and boast on caod or other forums. So quite simply BOB became too successful and because nobody or very few ppl actualy leaves EVE when they die in game BOB eventualy created a player base of ppl large enough to beat them. The blob you see on the forums and in game attacking them is a testament to their victories and others failures anything else is just propoganda. You're somewhere between anger and denial in the stages of grief - you should take some hints from BoB members like Dafuzz, who seems well on his way to accepting the situation and coming up with realistic alternatives for how to move on. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:03:00 - [144] cause they are the best at what they do.... and that shows by how many peeps who is attacking them... not one of them alliances could do it alone....never.... respect BOB even though u talked alot crap about ACSN
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:03:00 - [145] I used to even like BOB, and tbh I was curious about the alliance. The arrogance at that time was all in "The five" alliance. Then it came EC-PR8 and "The Five" disbanded a bit after that, but a lot of their pilots went to BOB. TBH all the bad feelings started after that, at least from my part. The arrogance and general smack - a trade mark from the Five alliance - in EVE forums exploded and it mainly came from the new BOB members. After that we had the Goons campaign and ASCN campaign where smack was the rule and not the exception, and where a lot of "secrets" came to public knowledge. At the present I have to say that my respect for BOB has grown, curiously on the same proportion that their silence increased. Even if a lot of their members trade mark while posting in CAOD continues to be arrogance, I have to admit that I admire BOB by their organization and military capability, but they deserve whatever happens to them. They seeded winds and are now harvesting storms. ________________ God is my Wingman
Broken Jester	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:05:00 - [146] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't need hope. I've got Evol. Evolution ends in Extinction. Winner by technical knockout, Cippalippus!
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:08:00 - [147] Originally by: Broken Jester Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't need hope. I've got Evol. Evolution ends in Extinction. Winner by technical knockout, Cippalippus! would extinction not mean all of us was dead?so loser by not knowing what you are saying?
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:13:00 - [148] Is it the price of success, as bob would like us to believe, in truth a portion of it probably is, but that doesn't tell the whole story. If you alienate virtually an entire community, then you can only really blame yourself, ultimately. i don't dislike bob because they've blown up my ships, or beaten me in the past, hell all kinds of ppl have blown me up. I dislike them for the 'way' they have done things, yes I know other ppl have done these things, but I don't know of anyone else who has done them 'ALL' to me, or my allies. Spies, POS stealing, ts invasion, using fake blues to kill noobs, not repaying debts (bella fea), probly more but it's been over 3 years, so for me a bob kill is worth 10 of any other and worth waiting hours for ingame. No-one else ingame makes me feel that way, so is it me that is bitter and jaundiced or am I justifiably revelling in my old enemies 'just desserts'. Before anyone starts slating IRON, it's not an alliance thing, it's a 'me' thing, personal and followed me when I was in other alliances/corps. All that being said, I don't hate bob, it's to strong a negative emotion for a spaceship game.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:15:00 - [149] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:15:52 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:15:34 Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 12:41:00 In eve BOB is the most successful alliance ever to hold space and the process to gain that title is the answer to your question. Firstly they have killed off alliances that were considerably larger than themselves on multiple ocasions and in doing so eventualy created a large enough player base of refugees to become a problem. Secondly the larger alliances that were already around joined up with the antibob factions as they knew that as a large alliance if BOB won they would be next on the hit list. You will proly see a lot of posts on here about cheating and metagaming but aside from a couple of individual incidents involving a single player or two nothing in those claims could have swung the multi thousand player wars that BOB has fought and won over the years. Also the claims of forum arrogance is a joke because pretty much every alliance has forum posters who love to brag and boast on caod or other forums. So quite simply BOB became too successful and because nobody or very few ppl actualy leaves EVE when they die in game BOB eventualy created a player base of ppl large enough to beat them. The blob you see on the forums and in game attacking them is a testament to their victories and others failures anything else is just propoganda. You're somewhere between anger and denial in the stages of grief - you should take some hints from BoB members like Dafuzz, who seems well on his way to accepting the situation and coming up with realistic alternatives for how to move on. Is the best you can do to refute my facts calling me a BOB alt, even mittens knows better than that? If your gonna accuse me of denial please show me where i am doing that cos i do not see me denying anything?. And why would i be angry at a the destruction of a alliance i am in the process of destroying (my main is in a alliance very hostile to BOB)?. I suggest in future you try to post reasonable and factual points if you disagree with a post personal attacks, just reinforce the issue for the person your attacking. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:18:00 - [150] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Is the best you can do to refute my facts calling me a BOB alt, even mittens knows better than that? If your gonna accuse me of denial please show me where i am doing that cos i do not see me denying anything?. And why would i be angry at a the destruction of a alliance i am in the process of destroying (my main is in a alliance very hostile to BOB)?. I suggest in future you try to post reasonable and factual points if you disagree with a post personal attacks, just reinforce the issue for the person your attacking. What facts? All I see is opinion and faulty biased opinion at that.



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