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Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:49:00 - [1] Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE.
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:51:00 - [2] buttes and lulz furthermore,
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:52:00 - [3] You're new here aren't you?
ChessKiller Minmatar Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:52:00 - [4] I was told bob are winner
Zudari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:54:00 - [5] I like bob I they're funny!! Its those goons I hate they are just annoying!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:01:00 - [6] Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either. However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them; (dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases) forum arrogance exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word) cheating (literally) metagaming been defeated/slandered by them in the past used by them Then there's alliances like IAC who have simply always been red to them and never wanted it any other way, that, politics/friendship with their other enemies and proximity to the area is most of our reason for being in Delve. http://eve.klaki.net/
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:02:00 - [7] Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 31/01/2008 04:02:53 Originally by: Zorland So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be percived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE. Apparently it's because we're asshats in the forums. Think about that as you read the Goon posts in this thread. Rim shots asside, this war is about the Eve-equivalent of oil -- moon minerals -- and control over the Tech2 component market (that's not modules or ships, that's components). Anyone who tells you differently has either, a) drunk the "ZOMG BOB ARE E-VILLE" kool aid, or, b) simply lying and willfully contributing to the propaganda. edit: oh sweet irony that this would come right after a TT post... ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" 'Teh Onchinator'
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:02:00 - [8] SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers Posted - 2006.07.27 14:55:00 Thread title: There are no goons. No. And this is as personal as it will ever get. Goodbye. Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Posted - 2006.07.27 17:42:00 We don't really give a toss what you think. Goons are going to die, no matter what it takes. Whether it takes a month or a year Goonswarm are history. DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers Posted - 2006.08.01 20:47:00 I expected nothing less. It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system. I imagine the next one will be "we're breaking up coz of internal problems, nothing to do with anyone else though!!111" Enjoy empire, we'll still be here when you get back. dbp Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Posted - 2006.08.07 GS is like the immigrate that wont integrate into the community Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers Posted - 2006.07.29 07:55:00 During WWII all germans DID warrent having their country invaded, their armed forces utterly destroyed, their government utterly destroyed, and their senior leaders almost all put to death. By tolerating terrorist in their presense many muslims DO warrent having bombs dropped near them, even fatally close, due to WILLINGLY being near known terrorist. The Christain argument you make is stupid (I'm not Christain, I have no faith, but I get along fine with people who do). You are not being judged for simply being with extreme offensive idiots. You are being judged because "you" "personally" "CHOOSE" to "remain" associated with offensive idiots. Anyone can have the bad luck to be near an idiot when the idiot shows his true stupidity. What YOU "choose" to do then will dictate how you should be judged. Saying "I don't like what they said, but I'm staying with them and fighting at their side" does not fly very well. I'd love to post more(and trust me there are pages and pages of quotes like these) but I must get back to my studies.
Plague Black 4S Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:04:00 - [9] If I started why there would a moderator all over my posts with a big "It is forbidden to talk about things from the past, the ones that we put behind us long time ago" stamp. In fact there will be a mod all over my post becouse it's not allowed to discuss moderation at all = you will not get an honets opinion since it will be moderated. In fact part 2, I'm not even allowed to post here according to my corp rules but since I'm on heavy painkillers I'm not responsible for my actions.
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:05:00 - [10] reserved for later
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:07:00 - [11] dianabolic db preacher sir molle t20 m hoshi/nebulai sergeant spot vOv you're the most transparent bob alt these days, im sorry you guys got caod banned since you're losing so badly but you might opt for a more subtle cover
Eacham Graeme Caldari PsyCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:09:00 - [12] BoB has made their own bed, now they are being forced to sleep in it. Do I hate BoB? No. Do I want to see them destroyed and become nothing more than a footnote in the annals of EVE? Yes. There will always be "Bad Guys" and the "Good Guys", such is the nature of the beast. I suspect that down the road, someone else will rise to the point that they are universally reviled, and once more, people will join arms to cast them down. My two ISK. [/url]
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:10:00 - [13] Originally by: The Mittani dianabolic db preacher sir molle t20 m hoshi/nebulai sergeant spot vOv you're the most transparent bob alt these days, im sorry you guys got caod banned since you're losing so badly but you might opt for a more subtle cover You should really have more faith in people when they say something. Not everyone is rotten and liar.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Zorland You should really have more faith in people when they say something. Not everyone is rotten and liar. i have lots of faith in people, also honor and respect! i have found this is a realistic viewpoint which helps one go far in life
Wreckus GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:12:00 - [15] We will ALWAYS be better than you.
Vanessa LaiDai GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE. being told that i am basically a terrible person who doesn't deserve to live because of the actions of one person is really not cook, but i'll let seargent spot explain it to you Originally by: Sergeant Spot To this DAY, Goonswarm members CONTINUE to mock the RL dead. Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless. ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash. When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash. Originally by: Sergeant Spot You tolerate and support the trash that started this incident. The trash in question CONTINUE, to this day, to repeat their offense. You have no idea just how much utter contempt you are held in by folks, simply for being in the same alliance with that trash. The idea that this will ever be a war with an objective of "good fights" is ludicrous. I've been with BoB for well over year now, and was with BNC before that. At no point have we ever had an opponent that is less respected than you are. We've fought great opponents and worms, but none match Goonswarm for raw simple disrepected loathing. No, you can't get away from what you did, and some of your members are continuing to do. You want to be able to be play for good fights and fun?? Leave Goonswarm. actually just read this thread. http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371427
Dreadllama GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:16:00 - [17] I also would like to say that I consider bob to be alright people and think you are a nice person for saying these nice things about them. Furthermore, you are a nice person as well. I wish you success in your posting.
Director Stoned Band of Developers	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:20:00 - [18] I hate bob because i feel most of Eve hates bob. I'm the kind of guy that doesn't like being left "behind the times". People need an oppressive elitist organization to hate, just take examples from RL, the USSR was hated by everyone, even romainains. the USSR never did bad things to certain people but they still hated them because everyone else hates them. Just for example take the current president of US, everyone liked him before becuase they like elitism, now look at him all that religious bigotry and elitism (and well lets face it a healthy dose of ignorance too) has made Mr. bush hated by everyone. Now you want an example? how about when the big bully at school gets kicked in the arse by all the nerds? everyone hates that guy. Oh i got another example, how about when you got a group of players in a mmorg that try to be all elite and they buddy up with those who actually run the game, they become even more elite and then most people just don't like them anymore because they are cheaters and elitist metagamers of the first degree. Now i'm not saying these things apply to bob, all in all bob is a good bunch of ex-FIX/RISE/LV/AXE/TRI so they are pretty much likable guys in my book, but it doesn't matter how much you like a guy, the question is would you sleep with him? for example, I like the guy who does my plumbing. I guess your asking the wrong question here, what you should be asking is why should we like bob? were did liking bob go wrong for you? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either. 100% identical with my opinion, including the MC part Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them; (dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases) forum arrogance exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word) cheating (literally) metagaming been defeated/slandered by them in the past used by them Precisely. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Dagam GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:24:00 - [20] Originally by: DarkMatter You're actually proud to show your faces at events such as fanfest? Honestly? Originally by: DarkMatter Now because it's an MMO, and it's on-line where you don't have to face ppl, you think playing the ahole persona 100% of the time is valid and good for the game... That's fine if you're a pirate playing within the rules & moral guidlines of decent play. However, time & time again GS croses those lines, lines you would never have the balls to cross in RL situations while facing another human being, which makes your on-line bravado even more pathetic... This goes beyond simply playing as a pirate, grifing or even exploiting... Trying to ** with others play, CCP and the forums is way out of line, and if you are proud of those actions, you really are not mature enough to play an MMO... I wish I was going to fanfest to face some of you people IRL, I'd be interested to talk to some of you face to face... Originally by:** Blacklight We'll reign in the forum behaviour once tempers have calmed be sure of it but right now 90% of BoB would have a very hard job not leveling those idiots in real life if we met them.
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:26:00 - [21] Oh and they cower behind CAOD alts (not mentioning any names ZORLAND)
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:28:00 - [22] I see why Goonswarm hates BOB, and I'm sure everyone else was avare that BOB griefed you in this game time and time again. But, you are not the only alliance in game that is currently against BOB. There are others that I'm sure everyone would like to hear what they think. There is no need to spam the thread again and again with the same stuff. Lets here what others have to say.
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:31:00 - [23] Edited by: snerdly on 31/01/2008 04:31:43 Aha, here's a topic I can really relate to. Why do I hate (actually, a better term for it would be strong dislike + personal vendetta, but whatever) BoB? There's a few reasons. 1. They backstabbed and killed my alliance- self explanatory, no it wasn't ASCN. 2. They're a bunch of arrogant jerks ingame, on the forums, and everywhere else. I'm not talking about obnoxious- goons are very obnoxious, but they're also funny, and lovable in a slightly-r3tarded-fuzzy-bees sort of way. I'm talking about hardcore 'we're better than you' arrogance, directed at anyone and everyone who isn't them. 3. They have too many titans and a propensity for using them. This means they are effectively sucking fun directly out of eve. Originally by: Securion Wolfheart EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.
Tenebrys Promethean Industries R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:32:00 - [24] there are no goons watch us go we are better than you goons in space no corpses in space dont worry rise well save you hey guys i got you this sabre bpo dont ask how dbp
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:32:00 - [25] They cheat. As in, they literally cheat. Also, their D2 titan kill was almost as lame as CCP not undoing it.
Dean Ferris GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:33:00 - [26] I just joined to play space game with my goon friends, so I don't really know! Hope this helps!
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:35:00 - [27] Hate BOB? Not really. It is just their time. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
facialimpediment Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:35:00 - [28] i hate bob because i am a mindless stupid drone that only listens to commissar mittens and [neo] dear leader oh and i live next to bob and they are always having parties and i am never invited so i am sad and i wish death upon them :(
Hitme Harder HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:43:00 - [29] They're leadership and/or forum representatives were arrogant ***s for years, and thats really the only communication that goes on between bob and everyone else, so BoB (the whole alliance) was represented as a bunch of arrogant **wits. Thats why I hate bob. Oh and also their spaceship forum poasters tried to make the developer cheating out to be no big deal. And thats just disgusting. AREN'T THEY ADORABLE?
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:44:00 - [30] Originally by: facialimpediment oh and i live next to bob and they are always having parties and i am never invited so i am sad and i wish death upon them :( Good one EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:49:00 - [31] This is our Galaxy now... the Galaxy of the Blue and the Red, the beauty of the battle. We make use of Station Services already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons in Empire, and you call us Evil. We PvP in lowsec... and you call us Griefers. We seek after Ships and Wrecks... and you call us Pirates. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without Corporate bias... and you call us Blobbers. You build Allegencies, you wage wars, you metagame, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the Carebears. Yes, I am a Carebear. My crime is that of Isk and fun in game. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, and the primaries they shoot, not what they say on CAOD. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a Carebear, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, this corp, this Alliance... but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike.
Papa Digger OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:49:00 - [32] They killed Kenny! ---- ex-CEO.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:52:00 - [33] After bob perpetrating the "there are no goons" campaign, I didn't hate them- I, Like the vast majority of goons just wanted to get even. What caused myself and the majority of the other alliances in the game still interested in fair play to hate them was t20. t20 was just a scapegoat, He was caught only once and the ****-storm that it brewed is unprecedented and is relentless to this day- Now, just imagining all the other instances where they weren't caught is what clinches it.
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:53:00 - [34] Why do people hate them? You mean, "Besides the arrogance, the lying, and the cheating, why?" No reason, I guess. Just cuz.
Vanessa LaiDai GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:54:00 - [35] Originally by: TroNaaR This is our Galaxy now... the Galaxy of the Blue and the Red, the beauty of the battle. We make use of Station Services already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons in Empire, and you call us Evil. We PvP in lowsec... and you call us Griefers. We seek after Ships and Wrecks... and you call us Pirates. We exist without skin color, without nationality, without Corporate bias... and you call us Blobbers. You build Allegencies, you wage wars, you metagame, cheat, and lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the Carebears. Yes, I am a Carebear. My crime is that of Isk and fun in game. My crime is that of judging people by what they say and think, and the primaries they shoot, not what they say on CAOD. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something that you will never forgive me for. I am a Carebear, and this is my manifesto. You may stop this individual, this corp, this Alliance... but you can't stop us all... after all, we're all alike. respect
Frederick Skinner GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:56:00 - [36] It was all for Tetsujin.
Commander 598 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 04:57:00 - [37] I haven't been here as long as all the other Goons so I'll give you my take. Despite not being here for them, I've heard all the stories... BoB seems to love to claim "honor" and "good fights" despite using all the same dirty tricks that everyone else employs, they also seem to have a habit of claiming that they're above those same tricks and are aggressively arrogant about it, especially here. (Honestly you have to admit that the first two pages of a thread being nothing but a BoB circlejerk to the same sort of drivel everyone complains about Goons spouting is pretty bad considering the apparent state of things) To top it all off, they continue to do it despite being almost completely removed from 0.0 space...if I didn't wander around in the actual war zone from time to time, I doubt I would have ever seen anyone with an RKK corp tag/ticker in 0.0.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:02:00 - [38] Most people don't hate BoB, we just find them amusing to poke.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either. What's so bad about hate?
Kerviz Gawd Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:07:00 - [40] bob killed my father and raped my mother
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:09:00 - [41] If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. ~~THe THiNGS u oWN eND uP oWNiNG u~~
Virtuoso DeToure Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. Then Band of Brothers will truly be released from their POS shackles!
Sultry Black Minmatar Black Hearts	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. ~~THe THiNGS u oWN eND uP oWNiNG u~~ Now you are getting the picture.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Sultry Black Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. ~~THe THiNGS u oWN eND uP oWNiNG u~~ Now you are getting the picture. one way street
Bane Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Moonlight Express If you think you hate BoB now, wait till they have no more space to defend. I see you subscribe to the "mo' money, mo' problems" theory of alliance management.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:36:00 - [47] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either. What's so bad about hate? Takes a lot for me to hate someone ;O http://eve.klaki.net/
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Commander 598 I haven't been here as long as all the other Goons so I'll give you my take. ...To top it all off, they continue to do it despite being almost completely removed from 0.0 space...if I didn't wander around in the actual war zone from time to time, I doubt I would have ever seen anyone with an RKK corp tag/ticker in 0.0. This summarizes why most of EvE "hates" BoB as you put it, and how little they actually know. Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others, but a lot of people really don't know why BoB is any worse than any number of alliances. The main reason people are shooting bob rather, is that they said they were the best, they said they wanted to conquer all of 0.0, and if you weren't blue, you might not like that; and for the Goons, they want to rid eve of GS. But tbh, you should really stop reading CAOD. It has little to do with what actually happens ingame, and is here mostly for jokes and laughs. People like Mittani are probably hired by CCP to get people into roleplaying, though the mods have sadly made him tone it down :( ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:43:00 - [49] No Jordan, I assure you that BoB is, in fact, worse, and I'd ask you to stop pigeonholing me. Remember: Down the block, not across the street. Originally by: Securion Wolfheart EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.
Pax Uranus Sofa.Kingdom	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others Oh **** son FIX finally coming out of the coattail closet.
fugazii Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:55:00 - [51] because people have been getting beat by them for 4 years. if you look at alliance leaders today many of them are older players, who have lost sometime in the past. the north is still all made up of the same people that lost during the gnw, sacked by the5. the orchestrator of this war RA has been fighting bob in some form since early 04, with atuk during curse, then they lost much of their space to the5 and retook it, then lost much of their space to lv then retook it. plus gs got demolished in syndicate when they fought bob solo. plus they essentially started the propaganda on mass scale. the ascn war, which saw alot is nothing compared to the GNW. People hate spam and propaganda and bob did this on mass scale, but unlike how gs does it today they did it with actual posts and not 100 1 line zingers within the span of 30 seconds. the only people i dont think are being drivin by grudges is AAA who i just believe want good fights. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:58:00 - [52] Originally by: Pax Uranus Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others Oh **** son FIX finally coming out of the coattail closet. Call us whatever you want. We picked our side and stuck it out. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat People like Mittani are probably hired by CCP to get people into roleplaying, though the mods have sadly made him tone it down :( yeah ccp loooooooooves me starts threadnaught
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:19:00 - [54] Originally by: fugazii plus they essentially started the propaganda on mass scale. the ascn war, which saw alot is nothing compared to the GNW. People hate spam and propaganda and bob did this on mass scale, but unlike how gs does it today they did it with actual posts and not 100 1 line zingers within the span of 30 seconds. Guess they did it wrong then, after all.
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Originally by: Pax Uranus Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Actually, they're riding a bandwagon. Not that that's wrong, it can be fun to ride the coattails of others Oh **** son FIX finally coming out of the coattail closet. Call us whatever you want. We picked our side and stuck it out. You know, when you stick it out, there's always the chance that come goon will come along and lop it off. Better just to tuck whatever is left back inside where it won't get hurt anymore.
Andre Ricard Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:25:00 - [56] I hate BoB for entirely different reasons than the others listed here. I hate BoB, despise them even, for being the worst griefers the game has ever seen. Yes Goonswarm gets knocked for scamming newbies and running comedy smartbomb Ravens to pop noobships and whatnot, but that's all really smalltime stuff. It never takes all that long to recover from it. In contrast, sit back a bit and consider what BoB has done in the past seven months since the destruction of Darwin's Contraption. This really should go back even further but that's a good starting point. They convinced about a dozen alliances of varying sizes and levels of competency to rent space from them in front of Delve. When these places were attacked however, BoB would do little, if anything, to actually assist their 'renters'. Whether this was from overextension due to the Catch Campaign or due to apathy will probably never be completely clear, but the point is still obvious: BoB bilked billions of ISK out of these groups every month, and in return those groups got nothing. Well, correction, they got firey death and internet agony at the hands of a rabid army that hated them due to their relationship with their landlord. Now a lot of these alliances may not have survived well on their own anyway. Given the way RISE and RMF ended up going down, could they have stood on their own regardless? It's hard to say, although without BoB in the picture it seems likely that they wouldn't have faced the full force of Russians and Goons and French and Sniggs invading their space all at once. They were never given that chance, however, because Uncle Bob beat them with sticks, took their money then shoved them outside to the wolves. The vassals who participated lost almost everything they had. Capitals, outposts, time, effort, morale, friendships. Entire alliances were torn apart by the RSF because BoB put them directly in the path of the train. And at the end? BoB simply forgot about them. Told them to turtle up in Delve or get lost. It became obvious that the vassals were nothing more than fodder. BoB had basically run the greatest scam in EVE history that ended up costing thousands, literal thousands, of players tens of billions of ISK collectively. BoB has committed a communal act of grief that the Goons will never be able to match, no matter how hard they ever try. Thousands of players lied to for months, bilked out of nearly all their resources, and then have nothing to show for it except humiliation. This is why I detest BoB. It's an act of grief that is beyond the pale of even EVE. When you reach **** at this level it threatens the greater health and sanctity of the game. Had BoB even really come to defend their vassals I wouldn't be so disgusted with them (and make no mistake, had BoB really defended RISE or RMF or whoever such a fight would have taken a month for each alliance.) But they didn't, they ran a huge land scam, and its size may prove detrimental to the growth of EVE in at least the short term. How many players quit because they were lured in by promises and then became bitter when no help was given to them? How many will now poison the waters for players who may have tried EVE otherwise? We have a record of 41000 players online. Had BoB not scammed thousands, could that number be 42000? 43? Higher? We'll never know because BoB has robbed thousands of people the chance to experience 0.0 as it should be experienced. So that is why I have BoB. Past a certain level, certain behaviors simply cannot be ignored or forgiven and what BoB has done to 0.0 over the past year or more is simply beyond the pale. I will enjoy watching NOL burn and the remaining vassals being freed from their fetters forever. And I will laugh as the high-and-mighty leaders of BoB watch their internet spaceships die screaming as they reap what they have sown. ----- Character back under original management.
Barwinius Ars ex Discordia	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:45:00 - [57] They kept kicking my sandcastle.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:54:00 - [58] Most of the alliances fighting BoB are alliances comprised of people that were beaten by them in the past, and obviously mocked in the forums. Its no wonder most people "hate", do people feel hatred over a game?!, BOB alliance members and want to see them suffer what almost half off the 0.0 alliances did. BoB had the habbit of using their supporters, Horde, Xelas, Rise, etc etc and so forth while they had some utility, either as shields to fill gaps in any given region or... well basicly thats what it was perceived, and they did it with great success. Most of the people that got kicked, except Xelas that due to some unknown reason went away like good sheep, got **ed and turned from blue to red towards BOB and friends. Then you have the T20 incident wich was a blow by itself and that one really *ed off the entire comunity, i meen, it was a bit <--------------------------------------------------------> or so bad what happened, still i believe it was an isolated incident withtin their alliance, CCP dealt with it so all is good. Then you also have the 0.0 conquer them all pokemon style molle anouncement, this, the fall of ASCN the "remaping" of the North and the forces allied against them took BOB at its weakest point and it takes as into today. ( being very fast foward in explaining and jumping alot of stuff ) Yet there is one thing that must be said and credit that must be given, those guys rock, alone, in Delve, with empire wars and completely surrounded they resist and fight and can actually claim some good victorys, no one can say they did the same. Were BOB stand today is the point were most of the alliances crumbled and disbanded, instead BOB dug in and said " come get some! " Yes they could be less arrogant, and some less offensive towards other people, but, you will find the same atitude now in some of the alliances that are together in the coalition , and that only proves one thing, everyone will be a "BOB" if they think they can get away with it. People claim BOB did a whole lot of propaganda, true they did, but to some extent it was nice to read and the arguements were somewhat fun follow, even the battle reports, Goons and the alt-brigade on the other hand... i meen its like the sewers you can't read a post without having to fast scroll trough 20 or 40 goon posts that add nothing usefull to it. People also claim metagaming and exploiting, well during this whole time some coughexploitsandcoughother reports... sore throat ...of the other alliances have done the same and CCP has put out the fires much faster, so all is good here. My final consideration on the matter is, no one is better than BOB, moraly speaking they are all the same given the chance, take one or two alliances in exception, now in terms of ability to fight, now BoB are on another league, they did some mistakes that are now costing them their space but they have nothing left to prove, if you examine well they practically reseted the map on 2 ocasions, D2 ( with MC's help ) and ASCN conflict, other than that no other alliance can say they did the same, nor anyone can say that their alliance has resisted to this much, maybe RA or GOONs that suffered quite a bit and made their comebacks. To be honest sometimes i remember some names that are in there and were part of one of my former corps and i feel, yeh b***h die!, but then again i have good friends in there also that went into BOB, or were a part of BoB from a loooong ago and they knew the current state of affairs so its mixed feelings. This war may speed up a bit now and reach its conclusion but BOB will never die or be forgotten i guess, but anyways its 6a.m. here, gotz 12h shift on my back and i need to go to sleep. Disclaimer: No i don't speak for my alliance or corporation, my views are my own and they don't reflect their standings, etc etc and so forth have a nice day. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Isolde Jakiri Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Andre Ricard They convinced about a dozen alliances of varying sizes and levels of competency to rent space from them in front of Delve. When these places were attacked however, BoB would do little, if anything, to actually assist their 'renters'. Whether this was from overextension due to the Catch Campaign or due to apathy will probably never be completely clear, but the point is still obvious: BoB bilked billions of ISK out of these groups every month, and in return those groups got nothing. I hate BoB because they griefed RISE and CORM more than I ever could.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them; (dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases) forum arrogance Guilty! Quote: exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word) If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason. Quote: cheating (literally) 1 person cheated, t20. I know that I disliked that just as much as everyone else. Quote: metagaming shrug is that really a concern nowadays and its not exactly exclusive to BoB. Quote: been defeated/slandered by them in the past I guess that goes for alot of alliances in the coalition. Quote: used by them I assume this is referring to renter alliances? If an alliance wants to be in non-NPC 0.0 but don't have the military strength or the allies to hold it, renting space might be an option for them. We could provide this option and guarantee safety at one point in time to those alliances. Several months after the fight against the coalition (omg the alliances which we **ed off in the last years finally got their together and put aside their differences!) kicked off, we could no longer guarantee that and dropped the rent for those alliances. I remember that during the Catch campaign with MC we went down to support the renters jeopardizing the campaign there (and also **ing off MC). Molle and other people spent alot of time evacuating their assets from Feythabolis, why would we do that if we were using them? Actually nvm, we have a reputation to keep on the forum of being arrogant and evil
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:18:00 - [61] Right-wing commies. Leftist **s. Point their fingers. Rumours linger. We don't care what you think. We don't care what you think. Branded sexist. Labelled racist. Want it clearer? Check the mirror. We don't care We don't care what you think. what you think. We don't care We don't care what you think. Lies and slander in vain try to shame us. Riots, protests, violence just makes us famous. TV interviews, free publicity. Increase record sales dramatically The left they say I'm a facist. The right calling me a communist. Hate hate hate hatred for all - one and all. No matter what you believe. Don't believe in you - and that's true. Yeah. We hate everyone We hate everyone. Some would say that we're biased. Accusations that we are racist. Well, comes in all hues. Now this means you. 'cause things ain't always like they seem. Like they seem. We hate everyone. We hate everyone. We hate everyone. We hate everyone. We hate We hate, We hate We hate. We don't care What you think, We don't care What you think. We don't care We don't care What you think What you think, We don't care We don't care What you think. We don't give a **. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:20:00 - [62] i hate them because they all look hideous im superficial like that
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:21:00 - [63] cheating? IS there anyone more guilty than RA/AAA? 8/10 complex anyone?
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:30:00 - [64] Edited by: Dionisius on 31/01/2008 07:33:27 Originally by: Tiberius Caesar cheating? IS there anyone more guilty than RA/AAA? 8/10 complex anyone? Then in that case throw in D2 and the agent exploit and also the famous T20 then you have 3 distinct entities doing the exact same thing on diferent levels. One might ask, bloody hell! How can anything be compared to T20!? He was an employee from CCP!, and the answer is obvious, he is as human as the rest and will take all the advantages he can ( proved by the deed ) to aid his alliance mates. So no innocent partys here as they all tried to conceal their rotten apples, only different thing is BoB was viewed as unbeatable at the time and very much hated despite their victorys so no surprises there. Disclaimer: blablablah i speak for myself and not my alliance or corp etc etc and so forth. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Roupeh Natanoj Templars of Space Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Zorland I see why Goonswarm hates BOB, and I'm sure everyone else was avare that BOB griefed you in this game time and time again. But, you are not the only alliance in game that is currently against BOB. There are others that I'm sure everyone would like to hear what they think. There is no need to spam the thread again and again with the same stuff. Lets here what others have to say. its going 40 v 40 against bob and being lagged out and all dying while bob fly away without a lost ship. there cheaters and as it always says cheaters never prosper, they cheated now there getting there dues. i started with my best mate in aridia we put up with there arigance there enough to make us join a corp that was anti-bob. bob has never been blue to us nor will any corp/allaince they re make go blue... ur proplem us everyone has the same stories to tell so ya gonna come across the same feelings over and over again. bye bye bob.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Tiberius Caesar 8/10 complex anyone? cough 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... cough _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:43:00 - [67] I don't hate bob, the alliance i'm in just set the goal to remove bob from delve and every other region in eve and i just do what i'm asked and thats to remove bob. No hate here, but i do enjoy them logging into our bubbles, too bad some of them self destruct.
Taliac Caldari Soliders Of Eve The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:44:00 - [68] You can't kill bob goons they will just come back :P
128th ABC123 Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:49:00 - [69] Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 31/01/2008 07:51:52 Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 31/01/2008 07:50:07 Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 31/01/2008 07:49:01 /emote puts on flame-proof suit... Hmm,i wasnt in Eve yet when the whole Bob-Goon incident started and ive never been involved in the great war except for 1 fight against BOB in FSW with Paxton, but it seems to me that some of the Bob members did have a point regarding dishonoring of RL deaths of people... But hey thats just me... Whether to keep using it as a reason to wage war in a video game I don't know, but if GS leadership doesnt(didn't) publicly apologize for actions like that (and take action towards the offending members..) I wouldn't want to associate with them... So far (honestly) and thats for somebody in the game for approx. 1 year, Goonswarm has given me more reason to hate them then Bob and even then "hate" is a strong word. As spamming the forums etc, doesn't instill real hate in me, at most it would annoy me. So far I'm enjoying Eve and emotions like "hate" only rarely surfuced (well when my first cormorant got popped by a canbaiter outside Kisogo newbie spawning pool a year ago did nearly set me off in a fit of rage upon which I nearly snapped my keyboard in half... welcome to Eve... )
WowZilla The Leeroy Jenkins Project	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:56:00 - [70] Quote: exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word) Quote: If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason. He means the lose lipped devs in you alliance spilling the means on unknown and unconfirmed exploits and future planned game changes to give you an advantage. To you guys it probably never felt like cheating because, well, its what you'd always done and is one of the reasons for your success. ______________________ I am the worst poaster
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Roupeh Natanoj Originally by: Zorland I see why Goonswarm hates BOB, and I'm sure everyone else was avare that BOB griefed you in this game time and time again. But, you are not the only alliance in game that is currently against BOB. There are others that I'm sure everyone would like to hear what they think. There is no need to spam the thread again and again with the same stuff. Lets here what others have to say. its going 40 v 40 against bob and being lagged out and all dying while bob fly away without a lost ship. there cheaters and as it always says cheaters never prosper, they cheated now there getting there dues. i started with my best mate in aridia we put up with there arigance there enough to make us join a corp that was anti-bob. bob has never been blue to us nor will any corp/allaince they re make go blue... ur proplem us everyone has the same stories to tell so ya gonna come across the same feelings over and over again. bye bye bob. Let me just make sure I understand this right. You are insinuating that BOB has some sort of trick (exploit) they pull against their enemies to artificially generate lag and take advantage of it? That is the reason why you hate BOB and you will be against them as long as they exist?
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Taliac You can't kill bob goons they will just come back :P nah, we can just eject them from their space, laugh, destroy or lock up all their 0.0 holdings, and then giggle even more as they impotently fly hac gangs through some region we own but haven't really occupied for months oh wait lol who does that remind you of Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Cafu GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:06:00 - [73] Edited by: Cafu on 31/01/2008 08:08:02 I dislike them because they are so physically unattractive BoB
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:07:00 - [74] They dug thier own grave I hope none of them are wondering why 3/4 of (0.0) EvE are beating down on them. my reasons: T20 Eploiting and cheating Arogant (I understand that when u get to the top it goes to your head, but that just got my goat) They killed my previous alliances titan in the lamest possable fashion and then 30 secs after that CCP are in local congratulating them, this would be the main grudge.
Nifel Caldari PAX Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Tiberius Caesar 8/10 complex anyone? cough 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... cough You mean the ones that were petitioned? "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car."
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:09:00 - [76] All this wont chage a fact that we were better then you, we are better then you, and will be better then you. Space map wont change it a bit. We are not Gods ofc, allthough some ppl was thinking that way, while we were watching rivers of tears on forums asking for CCP help. Granted it was. Still, there will be many tears and bitternes by same ppl, long after this war goes by. Its not our falt, though, that majority of ppl are naive and shallow. "Removing" Bob () wont change that at all. And same ppl will watch others taking credits for something they did their part of harsh work as well. Im sorry, im just bitter
Florio Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:10:00 - [77] fyi, if you feel hate for an organisation in eve then you are probably a sociopath who will never get laid. i reckon corporations are fighting bob due to jealousy and fear. there's nothing wrong with either of those feelings and i don't mean them in a negative way. exciting times, certainly for us, and i just hope the lag doesn't win too often.
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:11:00 - [78] Edited by: Value Added on 31/01/2008 08:12:07 Originally by: dr shark All this wont chage a fact that we were better then you, we are better then you, and will be better then you. Space map wont change it a bit. We are not Gods ofc, allthough some ppl was thinking that way, while we were watching rivers of tears on forums asking for CCP help. Granted it was. Still, there will be many tears and bitternes by same ppl, long after this war goes by. Its not our falt, though, that majority of ppl are naive and shallow. "Removing" Bob () wont change that at all. And same ppl will watch others taking credits for something they did their part of harsh work as well. Im sorry, im just bitter Hey thanksfor summing up why you're being removed from space.
Tiberius Caesar Sothebys	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:12:00 - [79] Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Tiberius Caesar 8/10 complex anyone? cough 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... cough Oh what?!? When you guys were busy milking all those angel 8/10's that respawned every 45 miniutes the delve 10/10's were broken and even REMOVED (ask dork shikari). Way to try and deflect though.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:12:00 - [80] Jeez, it's just a game. No one hates anyone. -clp
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:14:00 - [81] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Jeez, it's just a game. No one hates anyone. What about Groon?
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:14:00 - [82] Originally by: Value Added Hey thanksfor summing up why you're being removed from space. You see, there is a difference between reson for removing from space and reason of so many ppl holds their hands against us.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Florio fyi, if you feel hate for an organisation in eve then you are probably a sociopath who will never get laid. This! And if any of you think that we "hate" you, then does it make you even more of a sociopath? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
UneFraiseDansUneChaise GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:35:00 - [84] Why won't anyone in BoB answer for their inaction in aiding their allies?
Bane Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:39:00 - [85] Edited by: Bane Glorious on 31/01/2008 08:39:39 Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Originally by: Pastora Originally by: Tiberius Caesar 8/10 complex anyone? cough 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... cough Oh what?!? When you guys were busy milking all those angel 8/10's that respawned every 45 miniutes the delve 10/10's were broken and even REMOVED (ask dork shikari). Way to try and deflect though. Whenever people bring up the bugged 8/10s they always leave out three things. 1. RA petitioned the complexes and asked if their respawn rate was normal or a bug. The GM said it was working fine. Granted, that GM probably either was a clueless novice, didn't understand the question, or both. 2. ASCN was also using bugged 8/10 Angel complexes (whenever RA wasn't stealing them) 3. Dozens of RA members were PERMABANNED for running the complexes without warning once LV made a big stink out of it, including a major portion of their capital fleet. Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money. Which BoB or ASCN members were banned for running bugged complexes, I ask you? So please, shove that 8/10 'sploit crap up your nose with a rubber hose.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:44:00 - [86] Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:46:14 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:44:22 Originally by: Bane Glorious Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money. Heh, so how does this compare to T20 incident? Would this be a good reason for the whole EVE to gang up on RA, call them ISK farmers and remove them from the game for something that was done by one of the RA members? Ofcourse not. T20 incident is just an excuse for those that need to explain to the people with half brain why BOB is bad guys.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:58:00 - [87] Originally by: Sinder Ohm Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:50:52 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:46:14 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:44:22 Originally by: Bane Glorious Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money. Heh, so how does this compare to T20 incident? Would this be a good reason for the whole EVE to gang up on RA, call them ISK farmers and remove them from the game for something that was done by one of the RA members? Ofcourse not. T20 incident is just an excuse for those that need to explain to the people with half brain why BOB is bad guys. The whole WMD and IRAQ thing comes to mind as an example of the spin, only this one is in game. and when Bob members boast in local/coad about contacting thier dev friends on msn WTS Irony There is another expresion but I can't remember as English is not my native language.
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:11:00 - [88] Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 09:13:52 Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 09:12:23 Originally by: Zorland Originally by: Sinder Ohm Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:50:52 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:46:14 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:44:22 Originally by: Bane Glorious Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money. Heh, so how does this compare to T20 incident? Would this be a good reason for the whole EVE to gang up on RA, call them ISK farmers and remove them from the game for something that was done by one of the RA members? Ofcourse not. T20 incident is just an excuse for those that need to explain to the people with half brain why BOB is bad guys. The whole WMD and IRAQ thing comes to mind as an example of the spin, only this one is in game. and when Bob members boast in local/coad about contacting thier dev friends on msn WTS Irony There is another expresion but I can't remember as English is not my native language. No point Zolander. This is a typical example of "1 dimensional" mind...right here. So, you see, untill yellow page literature is profine source of info for such ppl, no logic or anything similar can enter their mind. So, one have to raise a hat to Goons for making use of such shallownes. Congrats
Mei Han Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:11:00 - [89] When i started EVE i was a bit interested in politics and Alliances at general. With my ignorant mind back then i saw BoB as the best alliance in the game since they folded ASCN - they biggest alliance in player numbers (didn't knew what it ment to be a carebear back then)- way too fast. So i desided to join against them, since it would be funnier and more challenging to try to kill "the best". After a while tho i found out that what makes bob today is a playerbase "harvested" from their dead allies and BoB is not what they used to be. Those players that where just invited in like stray dogs start talking big (since the illusion of grandeur must be a prerequisit to join) about bob being the best and how they planed on loosing all that space and how they like having plenty of targets (although they rarely engage). So all in all everybody can find something to fight for. Hate is the RP element everyone adds.For everything else, its just a reason to fight.
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:30:00 - [90] I see that this thread has gone slightly OOC, so I'll post some IC and OOC stuff myself. I don't hate or even dislike BoB from an OOC point of view. They'r just a bunch of guys enjoying the same game as I do. I don't hold a grudge to what people do in-game. As long as it's IC I really can't say that peoples actios anger me at all (IRL). But from an IC point of view I dislike them because they arrrogant and a threat. Though then the same could be said for other entitys like GS, -A-, MC and others. OOC warning: However I do dislike som People OOC. The people who brings IRL mockery into a game that everyone is supposed to enjoy. Insults are fine as long as it stays in-game. But when it results in photos posted, insults with RL references or ridicule of a RL person it's as bad as if it happend IRL. Except that in difference to RL crap, stuff posted on the internet will never go away, always stored in one form or another. Is there a difference if I ridicule someone in a newspaper of over the radio or if I do it on the web? I'd say No. That's why I dislike some players OOC (may they be in Bob, GS, RK, TRI or any other entity). The real issue is when the corps and alliances these people belong to back them up OOC. Should I start to dislike an In-Game entity IC because it supports someone I dislike OOC? I try not to, but in some cases it can be difficult. Bob vs ASCN was one difficult example (where RL-like insults were posted both internally as on public forums). But whatever transgressions were made back then I can't say I "hate" bob for it. I do still disapprove of the behaviour from the persons behind those avatars though, no matter what corp they belong to. There are probably a multitude of different views on this subject depending on where you come from IRL or what corp you'r associated with in-game. But eve has a nasty habit of "getting personal" to alot of people, maybe that's one of the reasons we play? There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:51:00 - [91] I hate BoB because they have a red [-] and I fukken HATE that little red [-]! MUST SMASH IT! ~ no not believin in urself ~
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:58:00 - [92] Originally by: TWD If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason. Bans for exploits aren't permanent (not usually) see the guy you have who was using a macro to instantly pick up 0ISK old contracts (I've forgotten the old name for them) When it came out because the info was on your Forum DB BoBs line was "CCP punished them, so we don't need to punish them more" ergo you're fine with exploiting and accept they may not log in for a few days. In this example, it's more than an exploit, it's using python injection code to offer a tremendous advantage and to sort out personal wealth for zero effort. But this is BoBs attitude - "It's OK for us, but not for you - we're better than you" etc... Bit like the mocking a RL death thing. Sergent spot goes on about it still yet never mentions the TS episodes when BoB members merrily mocked someone with some form of difficulties who happened to still be alive until she quit the game. But I guess that was funny rite?
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 09:59:00 - [93] I hate BoB now because they didn't let me join RKK /me runs and hide. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:03:00 - [94] They need to die for their exploiting ways period These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
pxmars Caldari North America Eve Retirement Home Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:03:00 - [95] I don't hate bob... I just don't agree with past forum behavior.. I would really have a hard time spending any rl time with some of bobs members do to the fact they can't be nice people with the pure evil they spewed out on the boards. I liked bob back before ascn died. Just lost all respect for them other then their skill. They made me a better player but didn't make the game experiance enjoyable..
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:03:00 - [96] Originally by: Kusotarre They cheat. As in, they literally cheat. Also, their D2 titan kill was almost as lame as CCP not undoing it. signed Thundercats 4 Life
Ambre Blanche ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:49:00 - [97] No one with an IQ greater than the one of a mussel should hate an alliance as a whole. There are great players and total idiots everywhere, BOB is no exception. BOB has been the strongest PvP Alliance for a very, very long time (and still is). Because of this, they directly or indirectly created a larger and larger pool of players whose sole objective was to take revenge. To fight and defeat and crush them all. This pool of thousands is now a very determined, very powerful machinery nothing could stand against. It is an honor to be part of this machinery and it's still a pleasure to fight such a mighty foe. Sadly, the arrogance of some amongst the BOB's leadership killed the best PvP alliance EVE ever has. Nothing could save them now. They are history.
Manthar Nose GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:55:00 - [98] They self-destruct Carriers. Even CEO's, I heard And read the frist page again.
General StarScream Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:58:00 - [99] I am destorying the bob alliance since they destroyed my old home, and backstabbed alot of people whom trusted them, and look on em as freinds, then they got some retarted ides and we where forced away. It was a quite place, with crystal cleer water fresh fish and Lemon trees around the waters. The Girls where blond and tight, and loved to make food and be "lazy" But then on a dark dark day, bob came with there mustard gas, and most of us died, a horrifict death. It was on this day i put a Jihad on bob. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:59:00 - [100] Originally by: Captain Thunk Bit like the mocking a RL death thing. Sergent spot goes on about it still yet never mentions the TS episodes when BoB members merrily mocked someone with some form of difficulties who happened to still be alive until she quit the game. But I guess that was funny rite? that bitch didnt build no killboard. wtf did she ever do for eve? ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:01:00 - [101] Originally by: General StarScream I am destorying the bob alliance since they destroyed my old home, and backstabbed alot of people whom trusted them, and look on em as freinds, then they got some retarted ides and we where forced away. It was a quite place, with crystal cleer water fresh fish and Lemon trees around the waters. The Girls where blond and tight, and loved to make food and be "lazy" But then on a dark dark day, bob came with there mustard gas, and most of us died, a horrifict death. It was on this day i put a Jihad on the english language. good god man ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:02:00 - [102] Originally by: TWD 1 person cheated, t20. I know that I disliked that just as much as everyone else. When that broke and we found it what had been going on there were other references on RKK Pm's about for example DimZ knowing stuff that he had shared with all other RKK directors and throwing a hissy fit for not being told absolutely everything about inside intel others had. We've only seen the top of the iceberg here is my and others belief. Nobody has come totally clean. The damage is irrepairable, the trust in ccp damaged. Only thing we've done is lay the vengeance on who we suspect for doing this properly ingame. The punishment ofcourse not fitting the crime because they did it OOC and the punishment has been handed out IC. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:02:00 - [103] I don't hate BoB. I think a lot of players are/were jealous of their capabilities - large areas of space controlled, huge industrial backbone and very experienced PvPers. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with wanting to have what "the best" have. We all strive towards it - it's why we all try to fit the best ships we can whether it's the best mining lasers or a HAC that does 800 DPS. BoB started as a highly organised alliance and this attracted the best players around. The best players brought with them the best experience in ways to make a thriving economy in 0.0. This in turn allowed them to be selective in who they recruited - only the best could get in. The result was Band of Brothers as we knew it a year ago - arrogant on the forums (because they were better than anyone else) but if you're a member (I have some friends in BoB) it's a really nice place to be. Very organised fleet ops, friendly chatter on TS etc. Using this influence they **ed a lot of people off - destroying alliances, making grandeous claims about taking all of 0.0 etc - and the **ed off people spread rumours. The bandwagon effect took over - there's people in Empire who've never gone into low sec let alone 0.0 who "hate BoB" and "want to see them fall". BoB has my respect as a military and as a community. No one else in EvE comes close to matching them. I don't want to bring up the whole T20 thing but you do get some bad apples in any organisation - all corps have their corp thieves, the idiots and so forth. BoB's just got highlighted more because they were in the public eye. It's like Britney Spears - if anyone "normal" shaved off their hair it wouldn't get reported in the papers but because it's her, it's all over the front pages. It's the same thing with BoB. I do not, for one minute, believe there is or was some sort of "conspiracy" but it got hyped up and exaggerated so much... I actually felt sorry for normal BoB members - being accused in local of cheating and exploiting when they've done nothing wrong themselves. No, I don't believe any of that. I do believe that BoB is a loyal and dedicated base of players who know this game inside out. I respect them and I fear them for what they are. I also don't believe they'll "lose" this war. I think over the last few months they over-extended themselves but what we'll see now is them fighting on their own terms in the heart of their space. It's a war of attrition at this point, and BoB do have the numbers to pull it off. So good luck to them :) -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:02:00 - [104] Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the Dark Side Some green bloke told me that, so it must be true. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Callie Nefarious UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:03:00 - [105] I hate bob because Molle keeps dafuzz in his corp!
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:07:00 - [106] Originally by: Avon Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the Dark Side Some green bloke told me that, so it must be true. lol sun tzu isnt green ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
fuze Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:07:00 - [107] Originally by: WowZilla He means the lose lipped devs in you alliance spilling the means on unknown and unconfirmed exploits and future planned game changes to give you an advantage. To you guys it probably never felt like cheating because, well, its what you'd always done and is one of the reasons for your success. This. T20 was not a single incident. The bob basket contains a few rotten apples and therefore the whole basket must go.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:08:00 - [108] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: TWD 1 person cheated, t20. I know that I disliked that just as much as everyone else. When that broke and we found it what had been going on there were other references on RKK Pm's about for example DimZ knowing stuff that he had shared with all other RKK directors and throwing a hissy fit for not being told absolutely everything about inside intel others had. We've only seen the top of the iceberg here is my and others belief. Nobody has come totally clean. The damage is irrepairable, the trust in ccp damaged. Only thing we've done is lay the vengeance on who we suspect for doing this properly ingame. The punishment ofcourse not fitting the crime because they did it OOC and the punishment has been handed out IC. Sometimes people just want to believe that everything a certain group does is meant with bad intentions. Not going further into this
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:11:00 - [109] Originally by: TWD Sometimes people just want to believe that everything a certain group does is meant with bad intentions. brother, i too have been tarred with a brush. won't you join me in a weep? Originally by: TWD Not going further into this please, share your thoughts, let us delve into them teehee ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:11:00 - [110] Making my favourite 'why we hate bob' post: No goons: http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=370578 Hey guys lets all be cool! no? http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371427 SU seige http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=372845 Where goonswarm went wrong! http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374274 DBP hurff I http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374208 DBP durf II http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=377429 DBP blurf III - BoB is awesome! http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=380624
Johnny Cage	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:12:00 - [111] Originally by: Mei Han When i started EVE i was a bit interested in politics and Alliances at general. With my ignorant mind back then i saw BoB as the best alliance in the game since they folded ASCN - they biggest alliance in player numbers (didn't knew what it ment to be a carebear back then)- way too fast. So i desided to join against them, since it would be funnier and more challenging to try to kill "the best". After a while tho i found out that what makes bob today is a playerbase "harvested" from their dead allies and BoB is not what they used to be. Those players that where just invited in like stray dogs start talking big (since the illusion of grandeur must be a prerequisit to join) about bob being the best and how they planed on loosing all that space and how they like having plenty of targets (although they rarely engage). So all in all everybody can find something to fight for. Hate is the RP element everyone adds.For everything else, its just a reason to fight. Mei Han you are even more arrogant than BoB used to be during ASCN days. You claim BoB's new player base are a stray dogs? So the stray dogs were able to fight with great success over months with overhelming odds against them. What have YOU and your pathetic alliance accomplished in this game beside joining the bandwagon first in the north when you were miserably unable to do anything for 2 months with 20 alliances vs 4 alliances up until the day when your leadership payed Tri to help them out. Nor you and your alliance managed to accomplish anything significant in Querious, but once again kick the lone Fix out with overhelming forces - the alliance which was under constant attacks over months, if not years. And now you come here to chestbeat and claim you are accomplished great victory while BoB are all arrogant fools and their members are all stray dog. Better ask yourself how long would RAZOR last alone against such odds. My bets a couple days hiding inside POS fields and crying out for help - at BEST. Keep living in your delusional world until the harsh reality knock into your doors and you will not have 2/3 of EVE to call for help.
Kai Zion Amarr The Zion Accounts	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:14:00 - [112] Originally by: Ralara stuff Yep. Pretty much. I think a decent amount of people would feel the same or similar. They just don't say it because they'll get shouted down by the (larger) masses who feel pretty much the opposite. Ah well...I second the "finish it" sentiment.
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:16:00 - [113] Originally by: TWD Sometimes people just want to believe that everything a certain group does is meant with bad intentions. Not going further into this The road to hell is paved with good intent.
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:24:00 - [114] Originally by: Dr Smythe To answer your question, yes we are that good Actually we are the best. And you aint seen nothing yet :D actually, nothing is all we've seen so far. ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Johnny Cage	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:24:00 - [115] Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together Just like during the days of MC steamroll in the north? Right. You are best allies one would ever hope to have.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:26:00 - [116] [Hate is a big word] People dislike the attitude we've chosen to take in the past, present and future, which would often be one of arrogance and elitism over trying to be agreeable to others. But that's not something new. We have not had, do not have and will not have any problems with dealing with the results from our chosen attitude. We are still better then you. [center] Old blog
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:26:00 - [117] Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 11:26:38 Originally by: Kai Zion Originally by: Ralara stuff Yep. Pretty much. I think a decent amount of people would feel the same or similar. They just don't say it because they'll get shouted down by the (larger) masses who feel pretty much the opposite. Jesus and "throwing rocks at" story. How many of those individuals would throw a rock by himself if there werent from others? Question i often asked myself is....Did those ppl throwing rocks couse they realy want to punish her (if so, would they step up and throw the rock knowing others wouldnt do it?), or they throw rocks with others to be a part of community (as being "somebody", or just doing it couse others do it...meaning they must be right if they are majority, no matter what their own mind is empthy regarding subject?) Uh, sry, of the track i go...nasty habbit i got speaking to myself digging deeper and deeper . Get back to subject
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:29:00 - [118] Originally by: Rod Blaine [Hate is a big word] People dislike the attitude we've chosen to take in the past, present and future, which would often be one of arrogance and elitism over trying to be agreeable to others. But that's not something new. We have not had, do not have and will not have any problems with dealing with the results from our chosen attitude. We are still better then you. future? best to remain hopeful ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Shaitis Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:30:00 - [119] I don't think ppl hate Bob for controlling anything or being uber, ppl hate Bob cause they are jealous or their application to Bob was unanswered ;) That is the truth. No other alliance except MC can work as a single body and actually plan their movements and execute it. Now it is time for BoB to die...but it is not because of their weakness just because of overwhelming amount of average alliances combined in to one big chaotic wave of ships. "What is funnier ? 20 Matari slaves pinned to one tree or 1 Matari slave pinned to 20 trees ?"
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:30:00 - [120] the only bad guys are the goons.. respectless noobs.. its only because of RA they are what they are now.. but i predict the goons will get amoment that they think they are so uber that they even can ** off RA.. Quote:** CCP Chronotis Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:32:00 - [121] Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together . you'll never jump alone
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:34:00 - [122] Edited by: Amarr Citizen 2373472356 on 31/01/2008 11:34:39 Originally by: Shaitis I don't think ppl hate Bob for controlling anything or being uber, ppl hate Bob cause they are jealous or their application to Bob was unanswered ;) That is the truth. No other alliance except MC can work as a single body and actually plan their movements and execute it. Now it is time for BoB to die...but it is not because of their weakness just because of overwhelming amount of average alliances combined in to one big chaotic wave of ships. your name is an anagram for 'a shit is'. after reading your post i thought it appropriate to mention. ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:34:00 - [123] Originally by: Johnny Cage Better ask yourself how long would RAZOR last alone against such odds. My bets a couple days hiding inside POS fields and crying out for help - at BEST. What you are forgetting is that those ODDS are self-inflicted. BOB did this to themselves just as much as we do it. However, more or less my job description in RZR (as I see it) is to make sure we never end up in that situation. That's part of EVE and aspiring to be a prospering alliance. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Garia666 the only bad guys are the goons.. respectless noobs.. its only because of RA they are what they are now.. but i predict the goons will get amoment that they think they are so uber that they even can **** off RA.. that's the kind of tough talk that will land you the contract you need to make it to the big leagues! ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:36:00 - [125] Originally by: Johnny Cage Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together Just like during the days of MC steamroll in the north? Right. You are best allies one would ever hope to have. I have no problems to admit that MC outclassed us some of the best fights I ever had was against MC on thier northern steamroller campaign.
toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:37:00 - [126] I dont HATE anyone, its a game FFS, I have freinds from old corps flying with BOB and know that at grass roots level they are doing the same as me, and playing to have fun. (OFF TOPIC> I also believe this is why BOB will lose, as the coalition can close down BOB's operations enough that it is no longer fun to log in with a BOB ticker under your name). But I believe that BOB is bad for the game, as an alliance is has the stain of cheating and corruption on it, wether totally deserved or not , that stain will follow BOB wherever they go in EVE, Players will look at BOB and always say they are only where they are because of the T20 affair, the TS attacks, the MSN private communications with CCP, the "Convienient" Events provided by the RP team, the use of spies , etc etc etc. To have a powerful bloc ( at one time the most powerful) which ordinary players have the perception of being helped to that position by out of game methods and the game developers, means that ordinary players will believe they can never attain that level of superiority as the decks will always be stacked against them. That is why BOB must be defeated.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:39:00 - [127] Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:40:00 - [128] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2373472356 Originally by: Rod Blaine [Hate is a big word] People dislike the attitude we've chosen to take in the past, present and future, which would often be one of arrogance and elitism over trying to be agreeable to others. But that's not something new. We have not had, do not have and will not have any problems with dealing with the results from our chosen attitude. We are still better then you. future? best to remain hopeful I don't need hope. I've got Evol. [center] Old blog
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:41:00 - [129] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance Are you saying its not true? Just say Yes or NO
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:42:00 - [130] Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't need hope. I've got Evol. Evolution ends in Extinction. -clp
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:42:00 - [131] t20 is a very good reason to not like them. There are also more exploit accussations, at least Xirt told me amazing stories about how BoB has a clear POS advantage sometimes But the real reason was when they destroyed the CE titan. Seriously, this was such shaby half-arse bug abuse that I really had to think about who the person is that executed this plan. I am a longterm scammer/pirate/abuser of people and to be honest, I wouldn't do such a shaby work, not for all ISK. And on top of this stupid bug-abuse they spilled so much salt into the wound on the forums. It really feels good whenever I take a look on the territorial map. Hopefully having zero stations will reduce their recruitment momentum aswell as decreasing their member count. We can only hope, but seriously, who wants to be part of this brotherhood anyway.
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:44:00 - [132] Originally by: dr shark Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance Are you saying its not true? Just say Yes or NO a shark with a medical degree? ha! ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:49:00 - [133] Edited by: Fred0 on 31/01/2008 11:49:39 Originally by: dr shark Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. Only at arrogance Are you saying its not true? Just say Yes or NO BOB are not better than the Coalition in any relevant EVE related matter right now. In fact we are far far better than you. You are outclassed. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Maraleith	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:55:00 - [134] Bob still doesn't understand why its so reviled. That's why they deserve to die. When I first started playing this game I heard about this terrifying alliance that you NEVER crossed. Named BoB, they were feared. And respected. Their leadership was talked about in genuine tones of admiration. Everyone wanted to join BoB or be like BoB, because they were considered to be the best. The elite. The most well organised, deadliest PvP machine that made no bones about winning and winning well. Sir Moll'es posts were arrogant and high handed. That was fine when you walked the walk and talked the talk. The game mechanics, well, we all thought it was fine. How many of us said to our corpies; "Damn, I wish I had thought of that!" But, then came the rumours and innuendo. All whispers and hushed thoughts about how they were advantaged by certain GM's. How certain decisions JUST seemed to favour them. How servers allways seemed to go down when it favoured them. No one believed these stories. Surely they weren't true. As for Goonswarm and Red alliance. When they got crushed, who cared? I didn't even know their name. Except for Red alliance (every knows the russians!) Much to everyone's deep disappointment, the stories were actually not stories but truth. The rumours were true. All the wild innuendo was based on truth. The uber PvPers, the intimidators, the smack talking, the exploitation of game mechanics...all of the stories were not just credible but one or two of them were true. BoB have had every advantage possible in Eve. GM's on their side, advising them on skill training. GM's giving them t2 prints. FACT. Oh, but they were not very good prints, Bob protested. Having made Sabres, I know just how profitable they really are and dismiss the protests with contempt. It's easy to rule in eve when you can make isk like water. Its easy to afford Hulk prints when you have the financial clout to just go out and buy them I was as angry as hell. Then came the bitter atrtacks directed at ASCN's leadership. It was a tactic, a legitimate tactic to undermine ASCN's leadership through public ridicule but let's be clear, I thought it was lame. And the tenor and tone was malicious. It was personal, it attacked an individual, mocking him for his commitment to the game and what he believed it. It was laden with spite and bitterness, maybe even a hint of jealousy. It worked a treat. But I began to question everything when I heard the toll it took. What price a victory in an online world when it brings a man to tears of humiliation and frustration? The Goons revel in such endeavours, that's why I don't think much of them either. I'd like to think their learning, but who knows. Now I smile. When I hear of a CEO self-destructing his capital ship and the mocking; I grin. When another station falls, I relish the pain that is being inflected. Not because I am vindictive. (okay, a little bit.) But now BoB and its remaining pilots feel what everyone else feels when their alliance dies. They wonder what they can do? how they can hold on? Whether they should run or fight? Teamspeak is full of gloom and doom. And no matter what they say; they know their days of being respected are gone. For the arrogant leadership of that alliance; that's a fate worse than death. Worse than losing every ship they have, every station they once controlled. Once to say you were in BoB was a mark of achievement. Now its a mark of infamy. One that brands its owner like a conviction. I wonder if BoB really understand why its no longer respected but reviled. I wonder if they care. Deep down,I think they do. Because its a long way to fall from that pedestal they were once alone upon. As for the "pendulum"; well a pendulum swings both ways in a grandfather clock. Tick tock, tick tock.
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:58:00 - [135] Originally by: Fred0 BOB are not better than the Coalition in any relevant EVE related matter right now. In fact we are far far better than you. You are outclassed. Thank you for nice quote
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:00:00 - [136] Originally by: The Mittani dianabolic db preacher sir molle t20 m hoshi/nebulai sergeant spot I am not on that list, 2 billion isk sent Originally by: Callie Nefarious I hate bob because Molle keeps dafuzz in his corp! <3 Callie lol -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
toto moor Eve Corporate Enterprise	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:00:00 - [137] The whole issue summed in in one line from a long post... Quote: Once to say you were in BoB was a mark of achievement. Now its a mark of infamy. One that brands its owner like a conviction.
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:01:00 - [138] Originally by: Johnny Cage Originally by: Sinder Ohm I am sure Razor wont die alone, they have freinds and neighbors and we generally stick together Just like during the days of MC steamroll in the north? And unlike those alliances that where put in to 'secure' our space, we are still here and they have mostly vanished. We don't disband/surrender that easy :)
Kalek Astroth A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:04:00 - [139] you hate when you fear... no fear , no hate , only respect (mostly for their Fc's) and lot of fun killing them
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:22:00 - [140] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 12:23:09 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE. In eve BOB is the most successful alliance ever to hold space and the process to gain that title is the answer to your question. Firstly they have killed off alliances that were considerably larger than themselves on multiple ocasions and in doing so eventual created a large enough player base of refugees to become a problem. Secondly the larger alliances that were already around joined up with the antibob factions as they knew that as a large alliance if BOB won they would be next on the hit list. You will proly see a lot of posts on here about cheating and metagaming but aside from a couple of individual incidents involving a single player or two nothing in those claims could have swung the multi thousand player wars that BOB has fought and won over the years. Also the claims of forum arrogance is a joke because pretty much ever alliances has forum posters who love to brag and boast on caod or other forums. So quite simply BOB became too successful and because nobody or very few ppl actualy leaves EVE when they die in game BOB eventualy created a player base of ppl large enough to beat them. The blob you see on the forums and in game attacking them is a testament to their victories and others failures anything else is just propoganda. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:30:00 - [141] Edited by: Local Her0 on 31/01/2008 12:33:26 Edited by: Local Her0 on 31/01/2008 12:30:16 i hate bob because they say stuff like Originally by: Zoland I don't post with any other goal then to express what I think. People can believe what they want. It doesn't matter to me. and then, 2 hours later, they make a thread asking why people hate BOB so much - as in "i care about your opinion" call it double-standards, call it lies, call it Hypocracy, doesent matter
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Everything's Coming Up Millhouse	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:43:00 - [142] I think for the majority of players who are not directly involved in 0.0 politics, it would have to be the T20 incident and how BoB conducted itself. I have no problems with elitist powergamers, if you spend a lot of time getting very good at a game feel free to smack all you want, it doesn't bother me... However, if you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar, a responsible organization does whatever is necessary to restore trust and show that they are not cheaters/exploiters. CCP realized this (eventually, after much kicking and screaming) and made some fundamental changes to governance that I think made the game better overall. In fact I came back to the game because I honestly feel CCP took this seriously and took the proper steps to correct it. BoB however basically spent the entire incident hurling insults at the rest of the community, claiming their innocence and, outright lying about what they did and didn't know. Basically the response you would expect out of a petulant 11-year old as opposed to "the most powerful alliance in the game." After that, any good will BoB had in the larger community evaporated and most non-involved folk openly or subtly decided to support the Goons. It's a shame really. If BoB leadership had acted in a responsible (classy) manner during that one incident (taking some responsibility, promising to give back any ill-gotten gains) instead of acting like jerks I think they would have retained a lot more tacit support. In any event I think most folk feel that the EvE universe would just be substantially better off without them. (Disclaimer: I am fully aware BoB's forums antics were intended to enrage the entire EvE community, as explained in numerous bubble charts and flow diagrams put together at the 2003 Feldman Bar Mitzvah, and by even making this post I am furthering their cause and dancing like a monkey on a string. Dance monkey, dance.)
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:51:00 - [143] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 12:41:00 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE. In eve BOB is the most successful alliance ever to hold space and the process to gain that title is the answer to your question. Firstly they have killed off alliances that were considerably larger than themselves on multiple ocasions and in doing so eventualy created a large enough player base of refugees to become a problem. Secondly the larger alliances that were already around joined up with the antibob factions as they knew that as a large alliance if BOB won they would be next on the hit list. You will proly see a lot of posts on here about cheating and metagaming but aside from a couple of individual incidents involving a single player or two nothing in those claims could have swung the multi thousand player wars that BOB has fought and won over the years. Also the claims of forum arrogance is a joke because pretty much every alliance has forum posters who love to brag and boast on caod or other forums. So quite simply BOB became too successful and because nobody or very few ppl actualy leaves EVE when they die in game BOB eventualy created a player base of ppl large enough to beat them. The blob you see on the forums and in game attacking them is a testament to their victories and others failures anything else is just propoganda. You're somewhere between anger and denial in the stages of grief - you should take some hints from BoB members like Dafuzz, who seems well on his way to accepting the situation and coming up with realistic alternatives for how to move on. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:03:00 - [144] cause they are the best at what they do.... and that shows by how many peeps who is attacking them... not one of them alliances could do it alone....never.... respect BOB even though u talked alot crap about ACSN
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:03:00 - [145] I used to even like BOB, and tbh I was curious about the alliance. The arrogance at that time was all in "The five" alliance. Then it came EC-PR8 and "The Five" disbanded a bit after that, but a lot of their pilots went to BOB. TBH all the bad feelings started after that, at least from my part. The arrogance and general smack - a trade mark from the Five alliance - in EVE forums exploded and it mainly came from the new BOB members. After that we had the Goons campaign and ASCN campaign where smack was the rule and not the exception, and where a lot of "secrets" came to public knowledge. At the present I have to say that my respect for BOB has grown, curiously on the same proportion that their silence increased. Even if a lot of their members trade mark while posting in CAOD continues to be arrogance, I have to admit that I admire BOB by their organization and military capability, but they deserve whatever happens to them. They seeded winds and are now harvesting storms. ________________ God is my Wingman
Broken Jester	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:05:00 - [146] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't need hope. I've got Evol. Evolution ends in Extinction. Winner by technical knockout, Cippalippus!
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:08:00 - [147] Originally by: Broken Jester Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: Rod Blaine I don't need hope. I've got Evol. Evolution ends in Extinction. Winner by technical knockout, Cippalippus! would extinction not mean all of us was dead?so loser by not knowing what you are saying?
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:13:00 - [148] Is it the price of success, as bob would like us to believe, in truth a portion of it probably is, but that doesn't tell the whole story. If you alienate virtually an entire community, then you can only really blame yourself, ultimately. i don't dislike bob because they've blown up my ships, or beaten me in the past, hell all kinds of ppl have blown me up. I dislike them for the 'way' they have done things, yes I know other ppl have done these things, but I don't know of anyone else who has done them 'ALL' to me, or my allies. Spies, POS stealing, ts invasion, using fake blues to kill noobs, not repaying debts (bella fea), probly more but it's been over 3 years, so for me a bob kill is worth 10 of any other and worth waiting hours for ingame. No-one else ingame makes me feel that way, so is it me that is bitter and jaundiced or am I justifiably revelling in my old enemies 'just desserts'. Before anyone starts slating IRON, it's not an alliance thing, it's a 'me' thing, personal and followed me when I was in other alliances/corps. All that being said, I don't hate bob, it's to strong a negative emotion for a spaceship game.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:15:00 - [149] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:15:52 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:15:34 Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 12:41:00 In eve BOB is the most successful alliance ever to hold space and the process to gain that title is the answer to your question. Firstly they have killed off alliances that were considerably larger than themselves on multiple ocasions and in doing so eventualy created a large enough player base of refugees to become a problem. Secondly the larger alliances that were already around joined up with the antibob factions as they knew that as a large alliance if BOB won they would be next on the hit list. You will proly see a lot of posts on here about cheating and metagaming but aside from a couple of individual incidents involving a single player or two nothing in those claims could have swung the multi thousand player wars that BOB has fought and won over the years. Also the claims of forum arrogance is a joke because pretty much every alliance has forum posters who love to brag and boast on caod or other forums. So quite simply BOB became too successful and because nobody or very few ppl actualy leaves EVE when they die in game BOB eventualy created a player base of ppl large enough to beat them. The blob you see on the forums and in game attacking them is a testament to their victories and others failures anything else is just propoganda. You're somewhere between anger and denial in the stages of grief - you should take some hints from BoB members like Dafuzz, who seems well on his way to accepting the situation and coming up with realistic alternatives for how to move on. Is the best you can do to refute my facts calling me a BOB alt, even mittens knows better than that? If your gonna accuse me of denial please show me where i am doing that cos i do not see me denying anything?. And why would i be angry at a the destruction of a alliance i am in the process of destroying (my main is in a alliance very hostile to BOB)?. I suggest in future you try to post reasonable and factual points if you disagree with a post personal attacks, just reinforce the issue for the person your attacking. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:18:00 - [150] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Is the best you can do to refute my facts calling me a BOB alt, even mittens knows better than that? If your gonna accuse me of denial please show me where i am doing that cos i do not see me denying anything?. And why would i be angry at a the destruction of a alliance i am in the process of destroying (my main is in a alliance very hostile to BOB)?. I suggest in future you try to post reasonable and factual points if you disagree with a post personal attacks, just reinforce the issue for the person your attacking. What facts? All I see is opinion and faulty biased opinion at that.
Chip2k3 Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:19:00 - [151] I quite like BOB now, wasnt a big fan of them earlier but they make tossers like GS and RA look like....well, tossers MEMBER OF TEAM TURBOÖ
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:19:00 - [152] BOB IS THE BILLY MITCHELL TO OUR STEVE WEBBE.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:22:00 - [153] Like most bitter ex-hobbits, I used to hate bob for the usual reasons, arrogance, smack, metagaming, "exploiting" game mechanics, cheating, being much better organised than we were, being able to use t2 guns earlier, etc Now I have had enough fights with bob to get the emo out of my system, I just like shooting at them (and Tortuga) as they are the best organisation in eve, and if you are not going up against the best then you are not really trying :)
evriss Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:22:00 - [154] Lol, i personally like the way bob are handling the defeat, goons are pretty graceless and crass in the victory and soon to become the next BoB i fear, in winning thye are becomming the very thing we all hated about bob.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:22:00 - [155] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:25:33 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:23:46 Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: HEY LISTEN Is the best you can do to refute my facts calling me a BOB alt, even mittens knows better than that? If your gonna accuse me of denial please show me where i am doing that cos i do not see me denying anything?. And why would i be angry at a the destruction of a alliance i am in the process of destroying (my main is in a alliance very hostile to BOB)?. I suggest in future you try to post reasonable and factual points if you disagree with a post personal attacks, just reinforce the issue for the person your attacking. What facts? All I see is opinion and faulty biased opinion at that. As per usual your denials and posts lack and any details or points what so ever, perhaps you should try doing somthing other than posting "not true" and hoping ppl believe you. Quite hypocritical considering the circumstances and could be considered trolling. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
evriss Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:23:00 - [156] Originally by: evriss Lol, i personally like the way bob are handling the defeat, goons are pretty graceless and crass in the victory and soon to become the next BoB i fear, in winning thye are becomming the very thing we all hated about bob. oops this is me, with acorp ticker.
Broken Jester	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:25:00 - [157] Originally by: hothead would extinction not mean all of us was dead?so loser by not knowing what you are saying? Evolution does not automatically equal to the survival of a species/sub-species as a whole, largely because any adaptation brought on by thousand of years of evolution can easily be destroyed by a few moments of change in environment in which said species adapted to. Nothing lives forever. Ever.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:25:00 - [158] Originally by: Rod Blaine [Hate is a big word] People dislike the attitude we've chosen to take in the past, present and future, which would often be one of arrogance and elitism over trying to be agreeable to others. But that's not something new. We have not had, do not have and will not have any problems with dealing with the results from our chosen attitude. We are still better then you. hey i saw the pics of your las vegas meet and i think you guys should consider dropping the 'we're better than you' line unless you're trying to get some guffaws from caod in which case carry on! vOv
Silmerias Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:27:00 - [159] Although BoB have few flamers, trollers, and unrespectable people because of their manner of speaking yes it's true I don't like this kind of people. BUT I haven't any hate about BoB and I've a lot of respect for this alliance. GBC and RSF are writing an awesome story in EVE togeter since 1 year -> The great war. BoB is a part of that and without BoB we will probably never play this story, this exciting game. Props to Mole, Props for all FC of BoB and thanks to bringing it. You are our ennemies ingame and I respect you for that. Just maybe do something about few members who give you a bad reputation. (CAOCD, Flame in local with no respect etc...) just kick them in Jita, they're just kiddies. --- Tau Ceti Federation
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:28:00 - [160] Edited by: The Mittani on 31/01/2008 13:28:38 Originally by: TWD Sometimes people just want to believe that everything a certain group does is meant with bad intentions. Not going further into this you forgot about nebulai/m hoshi
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:30:00 - [161] Originally by: Tiberius Caesar cheating? IS there anyone more guilty than RA/AAA? 8/10 complex anyone? dice make for the worst alts i have said this before and so imma say this again: well, at least it's not a fix altpost
clagnuts Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:30:00 - [162] well i hate bob because the bastard stole my bike when we were 14 and at school, yeh bob foster i,ll hate that bastard till i die
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:32:00 - [163] Originally by: Dr Smythe They are all just jealous coz they don't have ze balz or ze know how to take us on 1 by 1, or 2 by 1, or 3 by 1, or 4 by 1 ............ 20 by 1? To answer your question, yes we are that good Actually we are the best. And you aint seen nothing yet :D i have a feeling this is going to be the standard bob reply as their systems begin falling: 1. you aren't 1v1ing us 2. we are the best to which we shall counter: 1. diplomacy haxsploits 2. las vegas meet
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:32:00 - [164] Edited by: Nekumi on 31/01/2008 13:35:36 Edited by: Nekumi on 31/01/2008 13:33:00 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:25:33 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:23:46 Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: HEY LISTEN Is the best you can do to refute my facts calling me a BOB alt, even mittens knows better than that? If your gonna accuse me of denial please show me where i am doing that cos i do not see me denying anything?. And why would i be angry at a the destruction of a alliance i am in the process of destroying (my main is in a alliance very hostile to BOB)?. I suggest in future you try to post reasonable and factual points if you disagree with a post personal attacks, just reinforce the issue for the person your attacking. What facts? All I see is opinion and faulty biased opinion at that. As per usual your denials and posts lack and any details or points what so ever, perhaps you should try doing somthing other than posting "not true" and hoping ppl believe you. Quite hypocritical considering the circumstances and could be considered trolling. You really are a curious little fellow. Pointing out your obvious inconsistencies while might be considered by some as beating up a quadraplegic, is not done out of any malice on my part. In fact, you have my pity for your flaccid attempts at faux intellectualism and vehement defence of the illogical and other fallacia. And you speak to me of hypocrisy?
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:33:00 - [165] My favorite thing about this thread are all the things people hate us for which we didn't actually get around to doing, or were beaten to by other people. This helps secure our legacy as "bad guys". The thing I like least about this thread are my posts. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:35:00 - [166] Originally by: TWD Quote: exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word) If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason. I basically meant stuff like how DigitalCommunist got you that D2 titan kill, pos bowling, abusing various broken titan mechanics while they lasted.. (doomsdaying inside pos shields would also be one of those ) That kind of thing, not necesserily anything GMs would agree with me on, but "win at any cost" stuff that I personally dislike. (altho that last one is really funny when used on the alliance that first abused it ) http://eve.klaki.net/
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:35:00 - [167] Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. ...at playing this particular videogame. /signed.
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:44:00 - [168] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. ...at playing this particular videogame. /signed. I often wonder what they mean by 'We are better than you'. At EvE? Sure, they are pretty damn good at EvE most of the time(Not lately) At life? I think being really really good at EvE cancels that out. So I think what they are saying is that they are still better than us at EvE.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:47:00 - [169] i dont hate bob. i have lots of friends in bob, thou also lot of people i dislike, but still i dont think there is place for hate in something what should be source of fun ( i mean game :P ). but id like them to die first. why ? smacktalk, too many smacktakers and wannabes who claim achievements of mainly bob core. backstab, i know it was long time ago, but still, i never forget, and hardly forgive. did i mention i hope other alliances die after bob too ? :D
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:49:00 - [170] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 31/01/2008 13:50:49 In response to the OP. I think you will find that someone has always been a #1 hate object in EVE. Through jealousy on the part of those doing the hating, and through conduct in local/forums/whatever the hated become even less liked. In my experience, it is not enough to simply behave badly on forums or in local chat, you also have to have something others would like to see you loose. Be it 0.0 space, percieved imaginary interenet spaceship power, or simply arrogance in local, you are bound to experience hostility from someone. A lot of the anti-BoB crusaders you see posting (gloating is more like it) here, will eventually become victims of vilification (is that even a word?) themselves. "defeat" of one entity eventually leads to change. Migration of active combat pilots to new adventures, internal or external squabbles eventually break apart formal alliances. However, like dust from stars going nova, the pilots of EVE continually congregate into new configurations. To answer your original question: I personally think you dont see people cheering BoB on, boils down to: Any remotely supportive or constructive post favoring a minority is immediately set upon by a horde of majority posters BoB have managed to anger a lot of people, so the potential supporters isn't exactly a large group CAOD is a dungheap, 99 percent of what's in here is crap, adding more crap only makes it stink more. People who have something worthwile to say cant be bothered, which eventually leads to most threads becoming a long list of "OMG first in epic thread" and standardized smacktalk replies. For the record, I dont support BoB, nor do I support anyone else in this conflict. It is not for me. I only hope the fighting is fun, challenging and largely smack-free for those involved.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:53:00 - [171] progression of the bob arrogance meme: 'we're better than you' loses a bunch of regions 'we're only in it for the kills, we will bleed you like a stuck pig' is repeatedly defeated in primetime 'why are you linking those pictures of us in local' petitions
MetalZero Minmatar GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:53:00 - [172] Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48 So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? ................. I don't hate BoB .... My CEO said ... shoot those guys ...and I shoot them ..... if I'm smiling when I press F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8.... ...is just ..... .... ..... well .... "etiquette" :) .
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:55:00 - [173] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 13:58:39 The ppl i actualy respect most on this thread are those who say they dislike/hate/wanna kill BOB because BOB killed their alliance and or shot their ships/poses, took their space ect ect. Personaly i shot at them because they were a bigger and better challenge than most alliances in eve but now i go elsewhere as there are way to many ppl in delve/bob space to make it FUN. Remember when actualy PLAYING EVE was FUN guys. Seems to me that a lot of the anti BOB forum spammers who scream devsploiter, cheating, meta bobites every time a thread starts or they themselves start a thread have lost the fun in the game of space ships and now only get any satisfaction from what they percieve as others pain. Pain that most do not even bother to actualy log into the game any more and help inflict. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:59:00 - [174] the 'death watch' bob alt krew: zorland sultry black hey listen ~LoYaL 2 Da EnD!!~~~~
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:02:00 - [175] Originally by: The Mittani the 'death watch' bob alt krew: zorland sultry black hey listen ~LoYaL 2 Da EnD!!~~~~ I thought you said i was Terra incognita like marakor or one of his alts?. Please make up your mind the theres nothing more pathetic than a inconsistant troll. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:05:00 - [176] Originally by: The Mittani progression of the bob arrogance meme: 'we're better than you' loses a bunch of regions 'we're only in it for the kills, we will bleed you like a stuck pig' is repeatedly defeated in primetime 'why are you linking those pictures of us in local' petitions Nah. I don't think we ever really got beyond the "We are better then you" stage, exceptions excepted. I certainly haven't. [center] Old blog
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:07:00 - [177] Im still 100% sure we are better than they are. _______________________________________________ S T A N Former DICE ceo Former ATUK director Former MACE ceo
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:09:00 - [178] Edited by: Montasque on 31/01/2008 14:09:08 Originally by: Fendragun Im still 100% sure we are better than they are. ur in DICE. LuL
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:10:00 - [179] Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 14:13:07 Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 14:10:59 Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Rod Blaine We are still better then you. ...at playing this particular videogame. /signed. When i say im better then you, i dont roleplay...i realy mean it. No kidding there. All my opinions (that might not be understud often) are based on majority of facts or thoughts. Dont know about others in BOB if they role play or not, but my opinion for myself and many others in BOB is.....I/we are better then you in global as well in EVE. That comes from expiriance i gathered during my travelings across EVE globe (or flat map) Kill me for being so arogant, but, no matter if this is just a game, RL characteristics can not be taken out of roleplaying charactersitics that easy....at least stand for majority of ppl . Im not diplomata, im just honest and that is my humble opinion. Speaking of which. Im only sad about one thing and one thing only. All those alliances and pilots needed some third party to get them sorted. Third party of many, many loud voices came outside of eve itself and manage to manipulate weaker mind. Why weaker you ask? Its wierd that all those, that died in the past, couldnt learn something from their own expiriance/mistakes and manage to do something similar by themself before. Couse of it, no matter what final outcome will be, credits for anything wont be granted to such bunch. Words yes, but credists wont. I hope this arogant post of mine will bring more ppl in to fights Oh, BTW....this is Darcuese. Feel free to primary my main in every oportunity. Im sure there will be plenty. Darc got banned for a while from forums
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:14:00 - [180] Shark, even I don't get what you're saying there. As far as roleplaying is concerned. I always play a role. [center] Old blog
x racer Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:14:00 - [181] I dont hate BoB, but I have dedicated 100% of my online gaming time to their eradication. Heres why, in no particular order. The extremely suspicious failure of our TS just before engaging a BoB fleet. Once or twice is just bad luck. After 30+ times, you tend to understand why metagaming is bad. Multiple exploits by BoB: POS bowling, the Passive Targeter exploit, and others. Just do a YouTube search for BoB cheats. There is dozens of examples and those are just the ones that got frapsed. Ya, I know, fraps can be doctored up. But, just ask a BoB member, their arrogance knows no bounds and they will be glad to brag about it. Which brings us to the next point. Arrogance personified: back when BoB and their syncophants "owned" CaOD, the level of intolerance and arrogance by BoB leadership and its members was incredible. Ya think CaOD is a propaganda forum for Goons? Its nothing compared to what CaOD was when it was owned by BoB Ministry of Misinformation. They drop good loot. Nobody ever flied more faction/officer fitted ships. I am not saying it has anything to do with the dude that hacked the database, changed the loot table in some out of the way system, and had 6000+ peices of officer mods in his hanger. Thats just off the top of my head, back to work.... x *But, but, but, DB Preacher told me there are* no goons!**
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:15:00 - [182] Originally by: Rod Blaine Shark, even I don't get what you're saying there. As far as roleplaying is concerned. I always play a role. thats couse im a wierd guy. Not a rare comment to me though
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:15:00 - [183] Edited by: TWD on 31/01/2008 14:15:19 FYI We never used passive targeters, didn't even know it was possible to lock targets in shields with those modules until we got accused of doing that (we get accused of alot things) and I'm still not sure if it was possible at all.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:15:00 - [184] Let me guess xracer. Your TS server also had Xirtam on it. And Xirtam also was one (if not the main) victim of our "passive targeter exploit" right ? You see people, this is exactly why we are better then you. [center] Old blog
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:18:00 - [185] Edited by: Montasque on 31/01/2008 14:17:51 Originally by: Rod Blaine You see people, this is exactly why we are better then Xirt. fixed.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:20:00 - [186] Originally by: Montasque Edited by: Montasque on 31/01/2008 14:17:51 Originally by: Rod Blaine You see people, this is exactly why we are better then Xirt. fixed. Haha, can't disagree with you there. [center] Old blog
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:21:00 - [187] Originally by: Rod Blaine Let me guess xracer. Your TS server also had Xirtam on it. And Xirtam also was one (if not the main) victim of our "passive targeter exploit" right ? You see people, this is exactly why we are better then you. YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN???
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:24:00 - [188] Originally by: Tassi YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN??? Sure, 1 person cheated. If you're still angry at BoB about it, then its your problem, not ours.
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:24:00 - [189] Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 14:25:27 Originally by: dr shark And, if any of you think im not similar in RL, feel free to come to Amsterdam in 2 weeks time. Im sure we can get beer and discuss more directly about stuff not so easy to understand by many. There will be pictures as well for voajers to enjoy Originally by: Tassi YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN??? No beer for you my friend. YOu are way to low on scale to have a drink with, and way to much anger management needed
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:27:00 - [190] Edited by: Tassi on 31/01/2008 14:27:12 Originally by: TWD Sure, 1 person cheated. No, 1 person got cought cheating. He ruined your entire reputation and made every victory of yours null and void. (In my eyes at least) @ shark, haha wanna take a bet that I can drink more beer than you
x racer Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:27:00 - [191] Wow, BoB is sensitive to the passive targeter issue, interesting..... The first time I experienced the exploit I had just anchored a POS in NOL. I was a director in RONA at that time and know the PW was set correctly, POS was anchored, etc, cuz I did it. Shrike and 4 others show up and wipe our enemy fleet out inside the POS, its frapsed and on youtube. Check it out. x *But, but, but, DB Preacher told me there are* no goons!**
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:28:00 - [192] Edited by: Iva Soreass on 31/01/2008 14:29:19 Most people who hate bob now are bandwaggon dogs plain and simple. Instead of being blobbed to jove space and back again by spoonswarm they jump on the spoonswarm bandwaggon instead.
Aerick Dawn Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:28:00 - [193] I do not speak for my alliance, but I have a grudge to settle from the m0o invasion of FA followed up by the occupation by FE.(5 years ago now?) I lived in a frigate for 2+ months. Many elements that are in bob were from m0o, and always associated both. Kind of symbolic I am back in Fountain(and picking up all the old junk I left there so long ago) __________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Broken Jester	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:28:00 - [194] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Tassi YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN??? Sure, 1 person cheated. If you're still angry at BoB about it, then its your problem, not ours. CCP should introduce a Damage Control module and name it after you, the catch is it doesn't work.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:28:00 - [195] Edited by: Don ZOLA on 31/01/2008 14:28:49 Originally by: dr shark quotes considering that my corp had contracts on bob, and that in those contracts we had really good results ie great K:D and considering you are the best, seems that we are better then you and therefore we are the best \o/ ( i mean ofc i am aware of that we are the best, but just like to point it out :D) edit: sorting quotes :\|
dr shark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:29:00 - [196] Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 14:30:51 I wasnt talking about PvPing only Zola. You, at least, from these parts, should know that. and carebear boddies dont count hehe
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:31:00 - [197] Originally by: Tassi Edited by: Tassi on 31/01/2008 14:27:12 Originally by: TWD Sure, 1 person cheated. No, 1 person got caught cheating. He ruined your entire reputation and made every victory of yours null and void. (In my eyes at least) @ shark, haha wanna take a bet that I can drink more beer than you Fixed your spelling for you.
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:34:00 - [198] Originally by: Aerick Dawn I do not speak for my alliance, but I have a grudge to settle from the m0o invasion of FA followed up by the occupation by FE.(5 years ago now?) I lived in a frigate for 2+ months. Many elements that are in bob were from m0o, and always associated both. Kind of symbolic I am back in Fountain(and picking up all the old junk I left there so long ago) Many of the people in dice and biz in evol are the ones that pushed FE and m0o out in the end. How many in bob were Xanadu or FIV or hey metaldude forgot what corp you were in. _______________________________________________ S T A N Former DICE ceo Former ATUK director Former MACE ceo
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:34:00 - [199] Originally by: dr shark Edited by: dr shark on 31/01/2008 14:30:51 I wasnt talking about PvPing only Zola. You, at least, from these parts, should know that. and carebear boddies dont count hehe i know thats why the smilies are there. but lets get real, after all you all are stans children, and stan learned everything he knows from me :D
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:34:00 - [200] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:36:01 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:35:27 Originally by: Tassi Originally by: Rod Blaine Let me guess xracer. Your TS server also had Xirtam on it. And Xirtam also was one (if not the main) victim of our "passive targeter exploit" right ? You see people, this is exactly why we are better then you. YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN??? I still do not see how a couple of bpo's could change the course of all the wars bob fought so they could win, the t20 incedent was barley enough for a single player to become self sufficient let alone a multi thousand player alliance. When will you realise that your antibob obsession and ridiclous propaganda hate posting makes you look foolish, WHEN??? I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:36:00 - [201] Edited by: TWD on 31/01/2008 14:35:46 Originally by: Broken Jester Quote: ... If you're still angry at BoB about it, then its your problem, not ours. CCP should introduce a Damage Control module and name it after you, the catch is it doesn't work. Damnit!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:36:00 - [202] my reputation goes. I don't need one from you. Originally by: Tassi Originally by: Rod Blaine Let me guess xracer. Your TS server also had Xirtam on it. And Xirtam also was one (if not the main) victim of our "passive targeter exploit" right ? You see people, this is exactly why we are better then you. YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN??? I repeat, this post again shows how much better we are then you. I've known about all these "cheats" and "exploits" longer then you. I was in CA when Xirt couldn't stop jammering for hours one end about how SA, Evolution, M0o, and later ATUK all were cheaters, how they DDOS'd our TS servers, how they hacked his accounts, spawned ships, isk and whatever else. And then I Evolved. As far as reputations are concerned, I don't need one from you. Re: xracer. Don't lie, I was there, there were no passive targeters. Your mistake is that you let Xirtam and people like him brainwash you into believing that everyone else cheats but you. And yes, that makes me better then you. [center] Old blog
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:43:00 - [203] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:36:01 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:35:27 Originally by: Tassi Originally by: Rod Blaine Let me guess xracer. Your TS server also had Xirtam on it. And Xirtam also was one (if not the main) victim of our "passive targeter exploit" right ? You see people, this is exactly why we are better then you. YOU DID CHEAT AND YOU GOT COUGHT! (t20 anyone?) Don't come here and spill crap that BoB never used any cheats ffs. You did it once and god knows how often it didn't get revealed. When will you finally understand that your reputation has died with t20, WHEN??? I still do not see how a couple of bpo's could change the course of all the wars bob fought so they could win, the t20 incedent was barley enough for a single player to become self sufficient let alone a multi thousand player alliance. When will you realise that your antibob obsession and ridiclous propaganda hate posting makes you look foolish, WHEN??? Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Yonker The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:43:00 - [204] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 31/01/2008 14:37:41 I repeat, this post again shows how much better we are then you. I've known about all these "cheats" and "exploits" longer then you. I was in CA when Xirt couldn't stop jammering for hours one end about how SA, Evolution, M0o, and later ATUK all were cheaters, how they DDOS'd our TS servers, how they hacked his accounts, spawned ships, isk and whatever else. And then I Evolved. As far as reputations are concerned, I don't need one from you. Re: xracer. Don't lie, I was there, there were no passive targeters. Your mistake is that you let Xirtam and people like him brainwash you into believing that everyone else cheats but you. And yes, that makes me better then you. "Hey guys, look, other people cheated too so we're not so bad!"
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:46:00 - [205] Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. ok fine we're CHEATERS. (lol)
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:47:00 - [206] Originally by: TWD ok fine we're CHEATERS. (lol) thats true
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:48:00 - [207] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:49:27 Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. All of them lol cos from what i read it was a couple of players and 2 t2 bpo's 1 sabre and a t2 ammo i think but im not 100%. Considering the ammount of logofskis, exploits, complex hax and other things that have gone on in eve by pretty much every alliance and proly most of the players in eve, acusing an entire alliance of cheating because of a single or two individuals behaviour who happened to be in said alliance is absurd. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:48:00 - [208] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 31/01/2008 14:49:59 Originally by: Yonker "Hey guys, look, other people cheated too so we're not so bad!" Unimpressive. Reading trumps trolling Yonker. I never said anything like that there. Damn you lot are fail. [center] Old blog
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:49:00 - [209] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Considering the ammount of logofskis, exploits, complex hax and other things that have gone on in eve by pretty much every alliance and proly most of the players in eve acusing an entire alliance of cheating because of a single individuals behaviour who happened to be in said alliance is absurd. Considering how you treated Goons in the whole Smoske affair for the actions of 1 person, my only comment would be that Karma is a *****. ------------------------------------------------
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:50:00 - [210] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:49:27 Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. All of them lol cos from what i read it was a couple of players and 2 t2 bpo's 1 sabre and a t2 ammo i think but im not 100%. Considering the ammount of logofskis, exploits, complex hax and other things that have gone on in eve by pretty much every alliance and proly most of the players in eve, acusing an entire alliance of cheating because of a single or two individuals behaviour who happened to be in said alliance is absurd. Aaaaand the leader of your cap fleet.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:51:00 - [211] Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. By your logic.. you cheated too.. well done.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:51:00 - [212] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 31/01/2008 14:51:16 Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: HEY LISTEN Considering the ammount of logofskis, exploits, complex hax and other things that have gone on in eve by pretty much every alliance and proly most of the players in eve acusing an entire alliance of cheating because of a single individuals behaviour who happened to be in said alliance is absurd. Considering how you treated Goons in the whole Smoske affair for the actions of 1 person, my only comment would be that Karma is a *****. I think you mean how bob treated them bud but hey nice attempt at a derail. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:51:00 - [213] Originally by: NO BRAKES Aaaaand the leader of your cap fleet. Thats not true.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:51:00 - [214] Originally by: HEY LISTEN All of them lol cos from what i read it was a couple of players and 2 t2 bpo's 1 sabre and a t2 ammo i think but im not 100%. Considering the ammount of logofskis, exploits, complex hax and other things that have gone on in eve by pretty much every alliance and proly most of the players in eve acusing an entire alliance of cheating because of a single individuals behaviour who happened to be in said alliance is absurd. 'sup dude nice sig anyway wasn't it more like he handed a bunch of them over to corp and some of them were actually generated whereas the rest were just obtained using his inside knowledge of the bpo lottery yeah those aren't sketch at all those can stay wonder how many interesting convoes they all had about the bpo lottery both before and after he revealed he was a dev ~~yAY fORuM baN INcOmiNg~~ (its deserved anyway but welp)
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:54:00 - [215] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/01/2008 14:55:04 I'm not sure if BoB did know that t20 was helping BoB with those BPO's. But i'll guess someone did know, and i'm also sure that someone did know that t20 was getting those BPO's for BoB, and did accept that if you do this, it's cheating. I wont comment more on this, since i don't really know so much about it. Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. By your logic.. you cheated too.. well done.. Now tell me where i cheated? CCP, fix my forum portrait FFS
Crazy Hippo Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:55:00 - [216] Originally by: x racer I dont hate BoB, but I have dedicated 100% of my online gaming time to their eradication. Heres why, in no particular order. ... They drop good loot. Nobody ever flied more faction/officer fitted ships. I am not saying it has anything to do with the dude that hacked the database, changed the loot table in some out of the way system, and had 6000+ peices of officer mods in his hanger. Are you being serious about this point? Do you really want your enemies to fly tech I fitted ships? I want my enemies to fly ships with decent mods fitted because: A) it makes the kill all the more enjoyable B) it makes me money
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:56:00 - [217] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 31/01/2008 14:55:04 I'm not sure if BoB did know that t20 was helping BoB with those BPO's. But i'll guess someone did know, and i'm also sure that someone did know that t20 was getting those BPO's for BoB, and did accept that if you do this, it's cheating. I wont comment more on this, since i don't really know so much about it. Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. By your logic.. you cheated too.. well done.. Now tell me where i cheated? t20 is an eve player.. you are an eve player.. t20 cheated.. therefore you cheat.. (your logic not mine) _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:57:00 - [218] Thread has become lost in nothing but trolling. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang

HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:00:00 - [219] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 31/01/2008 14:55:04 I'm not sure if BoB did know that t20 was helping BoB with those BPO's. But i'll guess someone did know, and i'm also sure that someone did know that t20 was getting those BPO's for BoB, and did accept that if you do this, it's cheating. I wont comment more on this, since i don't really know so much about it. Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: NightmareX Uhm, it's not about BoB can win because of that. The point is that they CHEATED. By your logic.. you cheated too.. well done.. Now tell me where i cheated? I think the point he is trying to make is that if a member of a alliance or even a group of ppl in that alliance does somthing wrong then the entire alliance is hardly to blame. So he is saying that im sure at one time or another a player in a alliance or corp you have been in has done somthing wrong or used an exploit by your measure you and every member of you alliance is now guilty of said offence. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!

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