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Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:05:00 - [61] Originally by: adriaans is it too much to hope for a small cap reduction on lasers??? Give them about three months. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Khandara Seraphim	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:05:00 - [62] I don't have sisi set up here yet.... there's nothing on the pilgrim yet?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:10:00 - [63] Great changes. Zealot is perfect now. Good job and apoc is intresting. Its now a great fleet ship and thats a hellluvalot better then just being eyecandy in hangar. Good work, really. <3 Zulu! Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Erayo	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:10:00 - [64] Now that amarr is happy... Free all the slaves - slavery is wrong! I really like the changes, though the change of deimos puzzles me.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Erayo Now that amarr is happy... Free all the slaves - slavery is wrong! I really like the changes, though the change of deimos puzzles me. why oh why trading a low slot for a med. the deimos as it is is fine. --- planetary interaction idea!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Erayo Now that amarr is happy... Free all the slaves - slavery is wrong! I really like the changes, though the change of deimos puzzles me. why oh why trading a low slot for a med. the deimos as it is is fine. I havent looked at the result of the deimos change but is it that bad? No good? Im really wondering.. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Erayo	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:15:00 - [67] That +1000 to PG for the apoc, is it after or before engineering skills in included?
Khandara Seraphim	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:15:00 - [68] Also, how does the new bonuses to the apoc affect the paladin? Will it be a better ship now too?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:16:00 - [69] Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 22:16:49 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Erayo Now that amarr is happy... Free all the slaves - slavery is wrong! I really like the changes, though the change of deimos puzzles me. why oh why trading a low slot for a med. the deimos as it is is fine. I havent looked at the result of the deimos change but is it that bad? No good? Im really wondering.. Originally by: Pociomundo Edited by: Pociomundo on 01/02/2008 22:05:27 Lost one low slow and gained a mid slot. MWD Bonus is GONE (Capacitor is now 1523 as opposed to 1718 on TQ with an MWD), replaced bonus with 7.5% to effectiveness of armour repairer. goodbye glass cannon gank deimos. --- planetary interaction idea!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Khandara Seraphim I don't have sisi set up here yet.... there's nothing on the pilgrim yet? No change to the pigrim, /sadface but at least amarr have a decent sniper boat now. Welcome to EvE
Tsu'ko Valley Forge STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:17:00 - [71] If this goes though i'll actually think getting an apoc for pve and PVP (can't afford two ships at once now) is very nice.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:17:00 - [72] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/02/2008 22:17:46 nevermind, someone ninja-edited something i commented lolz Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:18:00 - [73] i might actuly get a apoc to...atleast with my alt. should get a good range on mega pulses... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:19:00 - [74] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 22:16:49 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Erayo Now that amarr is happy... Free all the slaves - slavery is wrong! I really like the changes, though the change of deimos puzzles me. why oh why trading a low slot for a med. the deimos as it is is fine. I havent looked at the result of the deimos change but is it that bad? No good? Im really wondering.. Originally by: Pociomundo Edited by: Pociomundo on 01/02/2008 22:05:27 Lost one low slow and gained a mid slot. MWD Bonus is GONE (Capacitor is now 1523 as opposed to 1718 on TQ with an MWD), replaced bonus with 7.5% to effectiveness of armour repairer. goodbye glass cannon gank deimos. But isnt rep bonus a bigger tank bonus then 1 low slot that now is a mid? Now it tanks a bit better and more ew in mids? Isnt 4 mids good? Explain please Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:19:00 - [75] Quote: now only maller and prophecy to go!! (and their t2 counterparts (paladin, absolution, etc)) Very HappyVery Happy Nah actually there are still a few more. The Sentinel (the ship is just pointless atm) and the Recons. Punisher could lose a highslot for a medslot+cpu too. But yea, the changes so far are good.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:21:00 - [76] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 22:21:42 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/02/2008 22:17:46 nevermind, someone ninja-edited something i commented lolz The demos change is good, but the gallente pilots dont want to use a proper setup for it. The Amarr changes is good, though cap may still be an issue. EDIT: Bah, you edited your message a frection before I clicked quote :) Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:22:00 - [77] Perhaps the next phase of the amarr boost will be a 25% reduction in laser cap usage? That seems like a good start as far as lasers go. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:22:00 - [78] Deimos change is meh, 6 lows was fine for it. Zealot change was good. Apoc is now overpowered. Eagle is now overpowered. Moa is now good Ferox is now almost good[not sure on this one] Zealot is now pretty good.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:24:00 - [79] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 22:16:49 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Erayo Now that amarr is happy... Free all the slaves - slavery is wrong! I really like the changes, though the change of deimos puzzles me. why oh why trading a low slot for a med. the deimos as it is is fine. I havent looked at the result of the deimos change but is it that bad? No good? Im really wondering.. Originally by: Pociomundo Edited by: Pociomundo on 01/02/2008 22:05:27 Lost one low slow and gained a mid slot. MWD Bonus is GONE (Capacitor is now 1523 as opposed to 1718 on TQ with an MWD), replaced bonus with 7.5% to effectiveness of armour repairer. goodbye glass cannon gank deimos. But isnt rep bonus a bigger tank bonus then 1 low slot that now is a mid? Now it tanks a bit better and more ew in mids? Isnt 4 mids good? Explain please the deimos as it is is ok. it does over 500dps from turrets alone in gank fit with a tradeoff for being a fragile heap of metal flying arround. it needs to operate inside web range to be of any usefullness. sure ok, a 4th med. but have you tried to fit the ship with 5 neutrons and no grid mods? you only have enough grid for a SAR, unless you go for ACR's but tbh when a setup needs fitting mods it's because it's lacking something. the deimos as it is is fine. it's a glass cannon that gives a bigger punch but dies as soon as a velator ****es on it. --- planetary interaction idea!
Erayo	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Jonny JoJo The Amarr changes is good, though cap may still be an issue. Still a bit easier as they added the pseudo-bonus directly into the ships cap.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Jonny JoJo The demos change is good, but the gallente pilots dont want to use a proper setup for it. you ever flied a deimos? cruiser-sized tanks are worthless inside web range --- planetary interaction idea!
Beef Hardslab Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Goumindong Apoc is now overpowered. I knew my faith in my beautiful golden sex machine would pay off someday!!! Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Goumindong Deimos change is meh, 6 lows was fine for it. Zealot change was good. Apoc is now overpowered. Eagle is now overpowered. Moa is now good Ferox is now almost good[not sure on this one] Zealot is now pretty good. Apoc is good! :-) Never thought Id say that. OT: Shame they nerfed your sig lol, it was cool in a disturbing way. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:28:00 - [84] Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 22:28:39 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo The demos change is good, but the gallente pilots dont want to use a proper setup for it. you ever flied a deimos? cruiser-sized tanks are worthless inside web range Maybe try it out a bit? Give it a chance? Sacri tanks in web range. It resist tanks and deimos has a nice rep bonus. And 4 mids is sexy :-) sure, let's downgrade to electrons since I won't be able to have grid to have mwd, injector and MAR otherwise. also, the sacri has a resist bonus and capless weapons, and enough grid to fit a dual MAR tank. --- planetary interaction idea!
Lord MuffloN Caldari Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo The demos change is good, but the gallente pilots dont want to use a proper setup for it. you ever flied a deimos? cruiser-sized tanks are worthless inside web range Maybe try it out a bit? Give it a chance? Sacri tanks in web range. It resist tanks and deimos has a nice rep bonus. And 4 mids is sexy :-) No, that ship is supposed to kill before it's killed, else it have failed it's mission. ZULUPARK! KEEP YER FILTHY HANDS AWAY FROM MY DEIMOS! Originally by: Jago Kain If they ever decide to award a Nobel Prize for Emo, Lord MuffloN is a sure fire winner of the first on
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:32:00 - [86] Originally by: Goumindong Deimos change is meh, 6 lows was fine for it. Zealot change was good. Apoc is now overpowered. Eagle is now overpowered. Moa is now good Ferox is now almost good[not sure on this one] Zealot is now pretty good. Apoc is still 3rd class. Now it no longer needs 3 x tracking enhancers and 2-3 x rcu. It still has major cap problem, but other than that, its a step in the right direction. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:33:00 - [87] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 01/02/2008 22:28:39 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Jonny JoJo The demos change is good, but the gallente pilots dont want to use a proper setup for it. you ever flied a deimos? cruiser-sized tanks are worthless inside web range Maybe try it out a bit? Give it a chance? Sacri tanks in web range. It resist tanks and deimos has a nice rep bonus. And 4 mids is sexy :-) sure, let's downgrade to electrons since I won't be able to have grid to have mwd, injector and MAR otherwise. also, the sacri has a resist bonus and capless weapons, and enough grid to fit a dual MAR tank. Maybe a grid tweak will fix? Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:33:00 - [88] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 01/02/2008 22:34:16 Originally by: Lord MuffloN Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Grimpak you ever flied a deimos? cruiser-sized tanks are worthless inside web range Maybe try it out a bit? Give it a chance? Sacri tanks in web range. It resist tanks and deimos has a nice rep bonus. And 4 mids is sexy :-) No, that ship is supposed to kill before it's killed, else it have failed it's mission. ZULUPARK! KEEP YER FILTHY HANDS AWAY FROM MY DEIMOS! Deimos change is Great. Its excellent for non-glass cannon pilots who actually want a non-blober ship and a more quality pvp ship Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Erayo	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:34:00 - [89] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Goumindong Deimos change is meh, 6 lows was fine for it. Zealot change was good. Apoc is now overpowered. Eagle is now overpowered. Moa is now good Ferox is now almost good[not sure on this one] Zealot is now pretty good. Apoc is still 3rd class. Now it no longer needs 3 x tracking enhancers and 2-3 x rcu. It still has major cap problem, but other than that, its a step in the right direction. + It's pretty
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.01 22:34:00 - [90] Edited by: Goumindong on 01/02/2008 22:34:48 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Goumindong Deimos change is meh, 6 lows was fine for it. Zealot change was good. Apoc is now overpowered. Thing is apoc still has **-poor damage compared to other BS. Range bonus gives it ability to mount one more heatsink (instead of TE) and thats all. No, it doesnt. Its disgustingly good now. Especially with the EM change. Which brings EM as a sniping damage type up a lot closer to kin/therm. An Apoc with ONE tracking mod hits 188km optimal with 401 DPS. Now, a hyperion does 401 DPS with 182km optimal... So the apoc does as much DPS as the Hyperion, except it has MORE range with less dedicated slots... Its un-*****-godly. Yes, that means it does more damage, has better range, and tracks better than a Megathron. Woo for balance!

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