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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.11 20:08:00 -
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I was going to post something, but don't really feel like writing it all up. So I'll just say,
/signed.
Too bad the balance guys don't play Eve. 
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Ikonz
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Posted - 2008.02.11 23:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Feng Schui
Too bad the balance guys don't play Eve.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.02.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
I was going to post something, but don't really feel like writing it all up. So I'll just say,
/signed.
Too bad the balance guys don't play Eve.
Actually...(I can only speculate that they do 
But yes the change to the Deimos was probably not the best one. They should roll back this change. And get rid of them scripts too...
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.12 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 02/02/2008 10:15:22
Its been happening far far too much, and this tbh for me, is the final straw.
removing the MWD bonus from the Diemos is just totally ridiculous.
It is one of the few characteristics that made it a unique ship.
Whoever is thinking up these ideas, doesnt play this game, or hasnt played enough variance to know, that we do not want all ships to be the same.
I feel this "change" is among the worst CCP have proposed to roll out in quite some time. Yes the Cap increase compensates for it somewhat, but I personally feel it is just a step too far in taking away the unique features of the various ships in the game... very sad panda today seeing this.
Ok basically this is what happens to every mmo sooner or later,the masses whine because they feel"nerfed"why?Because they try to setup their ships like everybody elses and get blown up...Then they whine on the forums where everybody that tried the same thing then other people that fly that race but dont play the game finds that post and whines.
It becomes into a movement and is accepted as fact,since they are paying customers the company changes the ships and you get this.
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Ivan Kinsikor
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.12 07:20:00 -
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It's like the Caracal pilots whining that their range is useless. God forbid someone gets the bright idea of just ganging up with someone else and letting the Caracal safely deliver decent DPS from a crazy ass long range away while the other guy stays in close and tackles.
It's not like this is some novel idea here. People just need to get their heads out of their asses and stop wanting every boat to be a solo-pwnmobile.
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Dinakheron
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Posted - 2008.02.12 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
Min has the... highest dps BS; fastest HAC; fastest BC; fastest BS; Best webbers;
Gallente has the highest dps BS by far (wtf are you smoking?)
Don't even try to tell me the "fastest BC" and "fastest BS" is even an advantage. 
*cough*raven*cough*
Torp changes made it so that you can easily out-dps a T2 neutron-mega with a T2 torp-raven. Not only out-dps, UTTERLY out-dps. It isn't even comparable. Your looking at upwards to 200 more dps from the torps.
Gallente blaster-boats used to be the highest dps battleships, now they are the second highest dps. Unfortunately they are still the closest range battleships. Torp raven can do more dps with over twice the range.
Blaster Domi... Most DPS of any t1 BS
P.S Also Raven in its usuall PvP fit dont out DPS Mega.
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Ivan Kinsikor
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.12 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ivan Kinsikor on 12/02/2008 08:37:13
Originally by: Spenz
Torp changes made it so that you can easily out-dps a T2 neutron-mega with a T2 torp-raven. Not only out-dps, UTTERLY out-dps. It isn't even comparable. Your looking at upwards to 200 more dps from the torps.
Gallente blaster-boats used to be the highest dps battleships, now they are the second highest dps. Unfortunately they are still the closest range battleships. Torp raven can do more dps with over twice the range.
This guys must obviously be the Eve master because EFT tells him so.
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Augeas
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Posted - 2008.02.12 10:26:00 -
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Quote:
Torp changes made it so that you can easily out-dps a T2 neutron-mega with a T2 torp-raven. Not only out-dps, UTTERLY out-dps. It isn't even comparable. Your looking at upwards to 200 more dps from the torps.
Gallente blaster-boats used to be the highest dps battleships, now they are the second highest dps. Unfortunately they are still the closest range battleships. Torp raven can do more dps with over twice the range.
Urgh. Clueless whining Gallenteasymoders.
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Brother Welcome
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Prez21
Eve gets worse with every patch, and your right soonish we will be flying ships that perform exactly the same but just look slightly different and thats because the majority of the ppl who play eve nowadays have no idea how to fly there ships properly or fit them so they whine on the forums and because they make up a large amount of ccps income they are getting there own way most of the time.
The difficulty in a pay-to-play game is that everyone would like to have the same chance to do well at each aspect of the game. People don't want to be worse at PvP 'just because'. That means the designers have to either devise multiple equally effective mechanisms, or keep moving the balance, or give everyone access to the same mechanisms. The ideal is obviously the first option, but unfortunately it's next to impossible to ensure no mechanic has an edge, and players are damned good at finding that edge.
Continuously shifting the balance is what WoW and MtGO do. It has merits.
Giving everyone access to the same mechanisms is what CCP is trying to avoid, but keeps skirting with. I believe that is due to the heavily baroque deterministic nature of Eve combat. Its very complexities thwart attempts to make X good in one way, and Y good in another.
I think to avoid the problem you describe, CCP need to create a policy on balancing, which should either be that balance will keep shifting, or to divide the game into different styles of play and give one race mastery of some styles BUT at the same time allow players more freedom to adjust their characters to the style of play they presently favour.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.02.12 12:26:00 -
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ITT Gallente tears
I agree the Deimos change is imo ridiculous. But the others whining about the race in general are being ridiculous, especially about the Eos and the Myrm. Yes, ships have been changed, some nerfed and some buffed to be brought in line with others. Why? Because before many ships were so outclassed there was no reason to use them at all.
Some ships have been made competitive, this makes for more variety. If you want to point fingers at the things removing variety from EVE look to the modules and rigs that have become must haves not to the ships. Two ship may seem rather similar (with the number of ships in EVE this is pretty much inevitable) but the ships at least have varying stats, slot layouts, and different bonused weapon systems.
It's when everyone is flying around in the same few ships, with the same general set-up, and very similar required skill-sets, or simply when almost every PVP ship "must" fit a certain module that we need to worry about diversity. Not when a number of ships are brought up to par and made usable.
If people insist on complaining about the variety displayed by the ships in EVE perhaps they should put forward balanced suggestions for changes instead of whining. That way we might actually get some constructive feedback that results in a better game, rather than demoralizing complaints about what is one of the most difficult aspects of MMO design.
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:30:00 -
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yeah...give all ships in eve 1 tanking bonus and 1 damage bonus (or none at all)....than we are all equal, and btw. plz delete the skills, if everyone got the same skills and the same ships (why dont delete all ships except 1 :P ?) we will all be equally......BORED...maybe ccp should be careful not to nerf everything the whiners are calling for....maybe they are not those pilots who make eve special :P and maybe it would be better for the game to loose some whiners than to loose a few players who understand the game.....nothing to say against balancing really over-powered ships or boost underpowered ones, but 1. there are very few of them, 2. nerfing a ship is one thing, deleting its special role is another.....
so please keep eve differenciated
regards
kira
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.02.12 18:04:00 -
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Wow. t2 strawman. 
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