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Tony Tibbs	Posted - 2008.02.02 23:30:00 - [1] Hi guys, The time has come where i have to start thinking about kitting out my hyper. was wandering on you suggestions for a dream setup. cheers
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.02 23:50:00 - [2] I know it sucks, but it looks fancy... *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:32:00 - [3] hype sucks cos active tank sucks transformers!! do u see them ?
Tony Tibbs	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:03:00 - [4] ty, are hypes really that bad??
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:52:00 - [5] Edited by: Edriahn on 03/02/2008 09:51:59 No, just trolls are trying to be funny...
Sergo Mor'Zert	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:03:00 - [6] Well first question is: pvp or pve? They are completly diffrent setups Also keep in mind navy megathron is better than hyperion and only like 200m more costly now, as hyperion biggest disadvantage is low amount of low slots (6 isnt really enough for tank+gank).
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Edriahn Edited by: Edriahn on 03/02/2008 09:51:59 No, just trolls are trying to be funny... no it is bad ..... domi out dps and out tanks it ... no eve need t talk about mega 6 low slots for ship that wants to be active tankers and proper blaster boat are just awesome ...... transformers!! do u see them ?
L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:18:00 - [8] active tanks do suck and that guy is right Dominix > hyperion all the time.
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:36:00 - [9] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter no it is bad ..... domi out dps and out tanks it ... no eve need t talk about mega 6 low slots for ship that wants to be active tankers and proper blaster boat are just awesome ...... No comment... we are talking about EVE Online, you are obviously not.
Ally Poo ExoGeni	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:39:00 - [10] Originally by: L70Rogue active tanks do suck and that guy is right Dominix > hyperion all the time. qft ===============Sleep is for the Dead===============
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:41:00 - [11] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter domi out dps and out tanks it At the same time? Care to share your setup? Actually hype is good where active tanks excel - in very, very small engagements. I.e. 1vs1 or up to 1v5 with smaller opponents. For everything else mega is better imo.
xyeLz	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:49:00 - [12] Edited by: xyeLz on 03/02/2008 11:50:55 The following is based a 100% on PvE. In PvP results may be and likely are very different. Hyp is not bad. Compare it to the Mega for example: 1x more gun (starts with more dps). 1x more med slot. (tracking comp with script = 35% tracking bonus) 1x less lowslot. Then look at ship bonuses. Hyp gets a 35% armor tank bonus, Mega get's a 35% tracking bonus. Both get a 25% dmg bonus. Result? - 1x more gun is more dps. - Hyp gets the same tracking bonus using a comp (same med slots left) - Hyp gets a 35% armor rep ammount bonus over 1 less lowslot. A stacking penalty'd Mega can not get a 35% increase in tank nor a 35% increase in dmg by far from 1 lowslot. Thus I'd prefer the Hyp over Mega. (Not navy mega, mind you.) Then the Domi, it's comparing apples and oranges imo. Numbers can't be treated equally. This comparison imo, comes down to skillpoints and preference. Like I do not prefer to get 4-5m in Drones to get nice T2 drones, else it isn't worth it for me. I don't have that sp in drones, I got it in Gunnery, the logical choise just isn't a Domi. The things about the Domi is that it's mostly relying on drones for dmg. T2 Heavy drones are actually quite expensive comparing them to ammo, and with weird agro I often lose 1 drone a mission without even using them much. Sometimes releasing drones for example agro's the entire room. Or, NPCs that aren't agro to you, will agro your drones, you release them and they get shot at, you take em back in and the NPCs just wait for you to take em out. Then there's travelling time. You don't know how many times I've fought ships that circled at 40km, having heavies fly over there is so slow. Like tractoring a can from 40km and waiting for it to get to 1km range to loot, /all the time/. This lowers your average dps so much below what EFT will tell you. Or warping in at 70km, releasing drones and letting em fly over means ships agro your drones, not you. Sentry guns actually don't have that much dps afaik, definately below my Hyp, and have horrible tracking. Stuff like that, the weird and annoying agro, including travelling time which is low on Heavies where your dmg is zero (and your average dps is lots lower than EFT tells you), drone bugs, drone losses. Domi ain't bad, but I prefer my Hyp, it's more a matter of preference and skills than numbers. Drone DPS and Ship DPS can't just be compared using absolute dps numbers. Whatever you choose, know the Domi ain't bad, but the Hyp definatly isn't bad either, alot of people just haven't flown one properly or flew em at all. If you have 500-1000m though, don't get a pimped Hyp, don't get a Domi.. Get a faction fit Navy Mega, then upgrade to a Kronos if you can afford a faction fit Kronos and got the skills for one. Though if ya want a decent pimped Hyp: 2x T2 Prim, 1x T2 Secondary Hardener. 1x Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer. (X/A would be better, more isk.) 2x Shadow Serpentis Dmg Mods, or Gallente Navy. 3x T2 Cap Recharger 1x Shadow Serpentis Tracking Comp (tracking script) 8x Gallente Navy 350mm Railguns 2x CCC, 1x Aux Nano Pump, T2 Med & Light drones. Not a bad setup, haven't had any problems at all on lvl 4 missions.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:21:00 - [13] Originally by: xyeLz crap we were not talking here about pve ... yet domi is still way better mission ship then hyperion.. as much isk u spent on it transformers!! do u see them ?
xyeLz	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:54:00 - [14] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: xyeLz brilliant stuff bs Your credibility is lower than that of a criminal with blood on his hands standing next to a dead guy if all you do to prove your point is to state your point with zero arguments. Who said we're talking about pvp? The topic creator didn't, nobody else did actually. So don't draw false conclusions. Furthermore, you summarise my post with crap, without giving me any reasoning whatsoever. You post nothing constructive, you waste your own time and you waste my time, GTFO.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:58:00 - [15] Originally by: xyeLz Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: xyeLz brilliant stuff bs Your credibility is lower than that of a criminal with blood on his hands standing next to a dead guy if all you do to prove your point is to state your point with zero arguments. Who said we're talking about pvp? The topic creator didn't, nobody else did actually. So don't draw false conclusions. Furthermore, you summarise my post with crap, without giving me any reasoning whatsoever. You post nothing constructive, you waste your own time and you waste my time, GTFO. well u have no clue how to even setup bs for pve .. without uber expensive gear u will just die in missions ... and u know why ... cos guns in missions is one huge disadvantage transformers!! do u see them ?
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:28:00 - [16] pvp 8x ion blasters t2 quad lif fuelled mwd 1 t2 dispruptors 1 x5 web 2x electrochemial med cap boosters 2x t2 large reps 2x eanm t2 1x energised reactive membrane 1x dcu t2 4x beserker t2 n.b. to make this fit you need good skills + 3%cpu implant or faction items. ative tanking does generally suck nowadays, but this is still a nice ship.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:37:00 - [17] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Trolling. Regardless of whether you are right or not(you are), you still havn't offered a single reason or setup or explination. Seeing as this is a thread and forum for people who don't know everyone, you might want to imbide some of your knowledge instead of smacking threads for no good reason.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 03/02/2008 13:41:41 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Trolling. Regardless of whether you are right or not(you are), you still havn't offered a single reason or setup or explination. Seeing as this is a thread and forum for people who don't know everything, you might want to imbide some of your knowledge instead of smacking threads for no good reason. heh i am not sharing my setups anymore .. trying to keep little advantage i have left tho i kinda don't have any respect to guy who flys gallente and cant be arsed to train drones transformers!! do u see them ?
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:34:00 - [19] Dream hyperion : 7xion blaster canon II, 1xnamed energy neutralizer Core X 100MN MWD, domination web and warp disruptor, Officier Heavy cap injector, Sensor booster or ECCM. 1xCore-X LAR, 2xCorpum A energized adaptive, 1xDmg control II, 1xExplo hardener, 1xShadow serp magnetic field stabiliser. 1xrig auxilary nano pump II, 1x rig auxilary nano pump I, 1xRig for more capacitor. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Slide	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:36:00 - [20] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i am not sharing my setups anymore .. trying to keep little advantage i have left tho i kinda don't have any respect to guy who flys gallente and cant be arsed to train drones I am sorry to say, but you act like a complete *******, so do you think anyone actualy gives a damn wether you have respect for whatsoever?
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Slide Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i am not sharing my setups anymore .. trying to keep little advantage i have left tho i kinda don't have any respect to guy who flys gallente and cant be arsed to train drones I am sorry to say, but you act like a complete *******, so do you think anyone actualy gives a damn wether you have respect for whatsoever? well yea cos i am awesome after all transformers!! do u see them ?
marie claude Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.04 01:09:00 - [22] 5x 425mm proto 1 drone aug 1 cruise missile launcher mids 1 tracking link with script all the rest t2 cap recharger.1 nanopump rig 1ccc 1nonbot accel rig larII marII cprII t2 active hardeners. this set up i soloed 100 lv 4 missions. trinity = EPIC FAIL
Shereza	Posted - 2008.02.04 06:21:00 - [23] For PvE I just use 8 named neutron cannons, T2 100mn AB, web, 3 T2 cap rechargers, LAR2, 2 primary and 1 secondary T2 hardeners, T2 MagStab, cap power relay 2, 2 CCC rigs, 1 nano pump rig, 2-3 web drones, and either 5 light or medium combat drones. Does 533 raw DPS with T2 warriors and tanks 429ish against guristas/serpentis rats. Mind you my dominix pulls 411 raw DPS and tanks roughly 730ish in the same situations. This is more of a "for fun" build than a serious solo-mission build though. ____________________ Behold the universal power of duct tape.
Thumper Tallen PAK	Posted - 2008.02.05 06:22:00 - [24] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Slide Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i am not sharing my setups anymore .. trying to keep little advantage i have left tho i kinda don't have any respect to guy who flys gallente and cant be arsed to train drones I am sorry to say, but you act like a complete *******, so do you think anyone actualy gives a damn wether you have respect for whatsoever? well yea cos i am awesome after all Are you the original wierchas? I still remember the overweight guy who was in love with Serenity Steele and pretty much was the reason she had to go into hiding. Real awesome indeed.
Eisprinzessin	Posted - 2008.02.05 11:28:00 - [25] a good mission fit is 8x 425 or 350 rails (you need one guerista rail for full 425) med: tracking computer, sensorbooster, ab ,2x cap recharger low: large repper II 2x hardeners 1xcap relay 2x mag stabs or 3xmag stabs (may be 3x hardeners for guerista missions) rigs: 2x ccc 1x power grid rig everyone who knows how to fly a turret ship can do lvl 4 missions with that in some missions (drones angel ....) you dont even lose your schield if you know how to keep distance (around 50km) and a dominix is really bad in missions becauuse of drone aggro and travel time. for pvp a ful tank fitting is a nice thing 8x electrons mwd web web scram cap booster large repII large repp II explo ther kin hardener adaptiv nano rigs 2x nano pump and hybrid rof rig i get around 1k dps tank and 830dps from turrets and drones with that fitting i want to see a dominix fittig that does something like that. but kank fittings can work nice to
Jennae Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.02.05 14:52:00 - [26] My dream hyperion has a MWD bonus.
Irish Whiskey Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.02.05 15:17:00 - [27] Im pretty happy with my current hype setup, mind you it's designed for small scale PVP so the tank wont last more than I have boosters, but it's usually enough to outlast any other BS ive gone up against. The tank sports 1150dps sustained, but at that rate will only last 3 minutes of fighting. Good thing is I can adjust on the fly without refitting to 800dps sustained, which will last 6 minutes. While doing that it spits out 400dps, which isnt great but keep in mind it is running 2 heavy neuts constantly. The battleships I've fought recently concentrate on more tank than gank. While the pure gankers have broke the 800dps tank, and in some cases the 1150dps tank, their TTL is not long enough to offset the difference. I really like the hype.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.02.05 16:12:00 - [28] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter well yea cos i am awesome after all I once thought you where nice but now i see either just troll or either dont have a clue. Hyperion is quite fine for missions. I did them both in Domi and Hype both full T2 no faction gear, and the Hype was doing them faster with a better tank. You can go back to the cave.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.05 16:52:00 - [29] IBTL? *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.05 19:49:00 - [30] Originally by: xyeLz Edited by: xyeLz on 03/02/2008 11:50:55 The following is based a 100% on PvE. In PvP results may be and likely are very different. Hyp is not bad. Compare it to the Mega for example: 1x more gun (starts with more dps). 1x more med slot. (tracking comp with script = 35% tracking bonus) 1x less lowslot. Then look at ship bonuses. Hyp gets a 35% armor tank bonus, Mega get's a 35% tracking bonus. Both get a 25% dmg bonus. Result? - 1x more gun is more dps. - Hyp gets the same tracking bonus using a comp (same med slots left) - Hyp gets a 35% armor rep ammount bonus over 1 less lowslot. A stacking penalty'd Mega can not get a 35% increase in tank nor a 35% increase in dmg by far from 1 lowslot. Thus I'd prefer the Hyp over Mega. (Not navy mega, mind you.) Then the Domi, it's comparing apples and oranges imo. Numbers can't be treated equally. This comparison imo, comes down to skillpoints and preference. Like I do not prefer to get 4-5m in Drones to get nice T2 drones, else it isn't worth it for me. I don't have that sp in drones, I got it in Gunnery, the logical choise just isn't a Domi. The things about the Domi is that it's mostly relying on drones for dmg. T2 Heavy drones are actually quite expensive comparing them to ammo, and with weird agro I often lose 1 drone a mission without even using them much. Sometimes releasing drones for example agro's the entire room. Or, NPCs that aren't agro to you, will agro your drones, you release them and they get shot at, you take em back in and the NPCs just wait for you to take em out. Then there's travelling time. You don't know how many times I've fought ships that circled at 40km, having heavies fly over there is so slow. Like tractoring a can from 40km and waiting for it to get to 1km range to loot, /all the time/. This lowers your average dps so much below what EFT will tell you. Or warping in at 70km, releasing drones and letting em fly over means ships agro your drones, not you. Sentry guns actually don't have that much dps afaik, definately below my Hyp, and have horrible tracking. Stuff like that, the weird and annoying agro, including travelling time which is low on Heavies where your dmg is zero (and your average dps is lots lower than EFT tells you), drone bugs, drone losses. Domi ain't bad, but I prefer my Hyp, it's more a matter of preference and skills than numbers. Drone DPS and Ship DPS can't just be compared using absolute dps numbers. Whatever you choose, know the Domi ain't bad, but the Hyp definatly isn't bad either, alot of people just haven't flown one properly or flew em at all. If you have 500-1000m though, don't get a pimped Hyp, don't get a Domi.. Get a faction fit Navy Mega, then upgrade to a Kronos if you can afford a faction fit Kronos and got the skills for one. Though if ya want a decent pimped Hyp: 2x T2 Prim, 1x T2 Secondary Hardener. 1x Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer. (X/A would be better, more isk.) 2x Shadow Serpentis Dmg Mods, or Gallente Navy. 3x T2 Cap Recharger 1x Shadow Serpentis Tracking Comp (tracking script) 8x Gallente Navy 350mm Railguns 2x CCC, 1x Aux Nano Pump, T2 Med & Light drones. Not a bad setup, haven't had any problems at all on lvl 4 missions. Would have been a nice post, too bad you fail at basic math. 5x7.5 = 37.5, not 35. They have the same grid - mega and hype, so yes you get a 8th gun, but you need to downgrade to lower tier guns to fit it. Then look at the ship's design. Hype is and never will be a range ship, it is light, it has a low targeting range, but the lowest targeting time - this screams small range setup. The fact that it has a repping bonus and no tracking bonus also indicates what that ship is best suited for, electron/ion blaster setups. PS: I use Domi in missions, and i don't use t2 drones.

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