| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
DasDizzy
Terr0r F0rce
Veritas Immortalis
   |
Posted - 2008.02.04 12:29:00 -
[1]
it it to much to ask people of their limited API key when recruiting?
In federate gallente, armor tanks YOU |
Big Al
The Aftermath
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 12:37:00 -
[2]
It's perfectly reasonable to ask for the limited key to prove that they actually have skillpoints/no well known alts on the account.
I wouldn't give mine out though.
|
Wet Ferret
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 12:40:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Big Al
I wouldn't give mine out though.
Why? It's limited for a reason...
|
facepalm johnson
a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 12:43:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Why? It's limited for a reason...
Cause some has a CAOD alt-poaster to hide! :)
Back on topic - I wouldn't recruit anyone who didn't agree to limited access.
|
knifee
Caldari
Rage Academy
oooh Shiny
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:04:00 -
[5]
Seems to be more or less the same as people asking for screen shots of the char. log in screen.
Some people will get upset though.
www.eve-dev.net - making a good thing better
|
Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:14:00 -
[6]
Screen shots are one thing, an API key limited or not is something totally different.
To what purpose is the CEO/Director/The Cleaner going to use it. In what way can it be used?
And is it really necessary when it just takes a >click< to renew it and cease all old activity (unless you give it out again).
To be honest, I use my API key for Eve-Mon. It's the only program I use it on. It helps me to figure out my next (or 3 months) skills to train. Why any one else would want this I do not know.
If CEO's can't/don't/won't trust a possible member at their word then I can't see how the recruit will trust them.
Screenshots however are different. They can be edited, no one in the corp needs to or should know how much ISK you have and where you're currently docked. If it's for alt purposes, well I think most people realize that people do enjoy other things to which one entity may frown upon. As long as it doesn't get out then there is an element of reasonable denial.
To what purpose will the API key be used, DasDizzy?
Life is about memories the more the better.
End Slavery. |
Gaven Blands
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:16:00 -
[7]
It is extremely of the utmost importance for a CEO to ask for as much as possible, and then some.
Only in this way can a recruit come to understand that the corp he is joining takes the game way too seriously and that these people are best avoided.
--
Anything I said above is subject to the standard provision:
Alts subvert it, and make it untrustworthy. |
Solasta Kovacs
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:30:00 -
[8]
Anyone who has flown with major 00 alliances will know how common spies / sabatuers are and the damage they can do.
Id be concerned to join any spaceholding alliance that didnt ask for this information tbh.
|
Riho
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:34:00 -
[9]
only thing i hate about the limited api is it shows how much is you have.... that should be removed tbh and implants allso
----------------------------------
This is Me |
Kyoto Luyi
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:34:00 -
[10]
They ask for it to make sure you're not a GHSC alt... 
|
|
|
Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 13:38:00 -
[11]
It's perfectly normal to ask limited api key when recruiting people as recruiter is not interested in recruiting your alts, they are interested in recruiting you and this verifies for them that you are indeed who you claim to be. Besides it's easily circumenvented by having separate account for 'infiltration' same as it's relatively easy to edit screenshots.
Trust goes both ways. You are getting some acsess to corporate assets and they are wanting to make sure you are who you say to be. Don't like it - don't join them.
|
Kastar
Paragon Horizons
Intergalactic Brotherhood
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 14:19:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Kastar on 04/02/2008 14:20:52
It's a sad way for people to exert control over someone. (I didn't say you can control someone with the API, watch out smartypants  )
Trust does NOT have to go both ways. You do NOT HAVE to trust a new recruit. You simply do not give new people access to valuable stuff unless YOU trust them or they have deserved YOUR trust.
Asking too many questions is usually a sign of overconfidence, egocentrism or just considering yourself way too important. Some aspects of ones accounts people just don't have business with.
In the end it's your choice. If people are too paranoid to let you in without turning you inside out, you better move on to another group that wants to take you in without a threshold.
EDIT: it's a game, people might as well ask you for a pdf copy of your public track record or CV. 
-----------------------------------------------
|
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 14:47:00 -
[13]
All this paranoia, to so little effect. All that asking for screenshots or API keys does is weed out the people too stupid or poor to use a second account for their corporate crimes.
|
Ricardo Phallus
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 14:47:00 -
[14]
The Limited API should be standard practice for recruitment. Character screen screenshots can be faked, the limited API key will show all the characters on the account and their skills.
For the truly paranoid player it can be changed after the needed checks have been made.
|
Rhaegor Stormborn
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 14:50:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Gaven Blands
It is extremely of the utmost importance for a CEO to ask for as much as possible, and then some.
Only in this way can a recruit come to understand that the corp he is joining takes the game way too seriously and that these people are best avoided.
I agree that the CEO should be up front with potential recruits with what will be expected of them in his corporation. If someone has an issue with providing screenshots or api keys then they are not the type of player you want in your corporation.
Volition Cult Recruitment Thread
|
Drasked
North Face Force
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 14:57:00 -
[16]
Limited api key for general account overview; Characters and Skill points detailed.
Full api key if your paranoid about someone; Wallet journal.
|
Buxaroo
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 15:01:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Ricardo Phallus
The Limited API should be standard practice for recruitment. Character screen screenshots can be faked, the limited API key will show all the characters on the account and their skills.
For the truly paranoid player it can be changed after the needed checks have been made.
What he said.
Any well ran corporation in EVE will be using at the least a limited key, at best the full api key of a player. I can understand people's opinion and belief of not giving out a full api key, let alone a limited one. But for any militaristic/war corp/alliance in game its a must. Too many spies, too many corp thieves around that can hinder your alliance/corp.
But the API key has so much more versatility than just the security reasons as well. Killboards for instance. Or a POS manager, so many tools that you can take advantage of with a API key to get things organized.
As for privacy concerns like how much isk you have etc, why hide it? If you can't trust your CEO/Directors about your privacy, then you are in the wrong corp my friend.
|
Zakgram
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 15:21:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Zakgram on 04/02/2008 15:21:43
Originally by: Buxaroo
Any well ran corporation in EVE will be using at the least a limited key, at best the full api key of a player. I can understand people's opinion and belief of not giving out a full api key, let alone a limited one. But for any militaristic/war corp/alliance in game its a must. Too many spies, too many corp thieves around that can hinder your alliance/corp.
It's an account key, not a character key. If it were a character key then.. maybe... but what this character does is totally different to other characters on the account.
And how does looking at my skills tell you if a character is a spy? Surely looking at a skill list won't show up "spying 5". So what do you learn apart from the character exists and has some skills?
Originally by: Buxaroo
But the API key has so much more versatility than just the security reasons as well. Killboards for instance. Or a POS manager, so many tools that you can take advantage of with a API key to get things organized.
That the account owner can use, sure. However this highlights the problem with the per-account API system - if someone is given access then they see all the kills across all the characters on the account...
Originally by: Buxaroo
As for privacy concerns like how much isk you have etc, why hide it? If you can't trust your CEO/Directors about your privacy, then you are in the wrong corp my friend.
What is your home address? What is your telephone number? Mothers maiden name? Date of birth? Bank account number and sort code? What music do you like? Books? Where do you eat?
i.e. privacy is just that. All of the above is available to your credit card company but that doesn't mean that it should be given to anybody else... nor should your account api.
Now a character API... that I *may* think about differently
|
Gaven Blands
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 15:26:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Gaven Blands on 04/02/2008 15:27:06
I'll give you my API key, in the name of trust, if you give me the API key of everybody I am expected to trust, ie, everybody in your alliance.
See how it doesn't seem to work the other way around. Keep your alliance. It's not worth it.
--
Anything I said above is subject to the standard provision:
Alts subvert it, and make it untrustworthy. |
Eilaga Starshadow
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 15:58:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Zakgram
(...)
It's an account key, not a character key. If it were a character key then.. maybe... but what this character does is totally different to other characters on the account.
This is exactly what is not true. A spy generally will not act as an independent character, but slave away for the main - giving out info or sabotaging infrastructure without getting anything in return. An independent character would demand something in exchange for the info, or give out info because he wants to take revenge for something. A limited API key at least allows to verify:
a) There are no known hostile mains on that account behind the one trying to join.
b) The one trying to join was actively training his skills, and is not a 1 year old character posing as experienced player, while in fact the main on that account was getting all the training time.
|
|
|
Buxaroo
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 16:01:00 -
[21]
Guys, you do know this isn't RL bank accounts we are talking about here right? And you do know that they can only gain information from the API and not be able at all to change anything with the API right? Then whats the harm? It's a game.
|
Kastar
Paragon Horizons
Intergalactic Brotherhood
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 16:02:00 -
[22]
Quote:
As for privacy concerns like how much isk you have etc, why hide it? If you can't trust your CEO/Directors about your privacy, then you are in the wrong corp my friend.
Well, it's not a secret that people usually tend to use whatever knowledge they have. Why mentioning trust from the CEO/directors if exactly trust is the reason the people would hesitate to give out their limited API ?
Your arguments make sense Bux, and I do understand what you're trying to say that it's a must for a militaristic group, but however note that senseless admin and the fact that you don't necessarly get something in return for YOUR trust goes beyond what most people expect from a game in hobby time.
Besides, it doesn't help the corp or alliance in any way. You can't be serious that this stops or slows someone with bad intentions ?
I done it myself in the past... talked into sending out screenies of my login screen. It didn't stop the alliance or corp I was joining from being rubbish
-----------------------------------------------
|
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 16:15:00 -
[23]
Ultimately, even a FULL API key would reveal next to nothing about a sufficiently determined (and patient/careful/smart/whatever) individual that wants to infiltrate a corp to cause damage.
All you can do is separate the rookie thieves from the serious ones.
So, meh, I guess it's some minor layer of security... but never let THAT fool you into thinking you have any security whatsoever with that alone... that's what gets you in deep trouble in the first place.
As such, ASKING for the API key (limited or full) of your potential/future members is a futile gesture (especially if no further care is taken), and only serves to alienate people you would have wanted to join anyway (while not doing anything about those you wouldn't want to have anything to do with).
In the grand scheme of things, asking for the API key as condition for recruitment is at best a way of weeding out obvious spies, and ultimately does nothing good for your corp in the long run... so it does more harm than good.
But meh, if you want to ask for it, or if you want to give it, it's your bussiness.
I'd never ASK for it, and would only accept one if given in order to dispense skill training advice (or other advice), its other purposes irrelevant, to me anyway.
Conversely, I'd simply avoid to join a corp asking for it, since I'd consider them paranoid and deluded at the same time (a dangerous combination).
1|2|3|4|5. |
Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 16:41:00 -
[24]
*Feels better about KIA Recruitment after reading this thread...*
See, we're not asking for too much! ^^
---
|
Mark Lucius
The Vinlanders
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 16:42:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Gaven Blands
I'll give you my API key, in the name of trust, if you give me the API key of everybody I am expected to trust, ie, everybody in your alliance.
See how it doesn't seem to work the other way around. Keep your alliance. It's not worth it.
This tbh.
---
|
facepalm johnson
a sackful of sacrificial sacrifices
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 16:52:00 -
[26]
If you've nothing to hide you've absolutely no reason not to give.
Obviously, a lot of shady people poasting in this thread.
|
Stealing Honest
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 17:10:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Mark Lucius
Originally by: Gaven Blands
I'll give you my API key, in the name of trust, if you give me the API key of everybody I am expected to trust, ie, everybody in your alliance.
See how it doesn't seem to work the other way around. Keep your alliance. It's not worth it.
This tbh.
I'm going to agree here. Trust is a two way street. If API keys are no big deal and you expect them from recruits. Then you should give each recruit the api keys to the ceo and all directors of your corp/alliance in return.
|
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 17:14:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 04/02/2008 17:15:45
Originally by: Gaven Blands
It is extremely of the utmost importance for a CEO to ask for as much as possible, and then some.
Only in this way can a recruit come to understand that the corp he is joining takes the game way too seriously and that these people are best avoided.
QFT
It isn't any of their business what other alts I might have on that account. If they can't understand that, I won't play with them.
Besides, any "security" a CEO might think they get from this request is so much bunk; it won't show that second account which is more likely to hold the offending alt anyways (Since then they have the "cover" of being logged on at the same time and can cover their tracks; ie it isn't one of the other).
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
|
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 17:19:00 -
[29]
Still the best recruitment tool is recomendations.
-------------------------------------------------
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
|
Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
|
Posted - 2008.02.04 17:25:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Stealing Honest
Originally by: Mark Lucius
Originally by: Gaven Blands
I'll give you my API key, in the name of trust, if you give me the API key of everybody I am expected to trust, ie, everybody in your alliance.
See how it doesn't seem to work the other way around. Keep your alliance. It's not worth it.
This tbh.
I'm going to agree here. Trust is a two way street. If API keys are no big deal and you expect them from recruits. Then you should give each recruit the api keys to the ceo and all directors of your corp/alliance in return.
The corp is trying to defend itself against undesirable characters.
You dont imagine part of that will be just giving a nw recruit all the director API keys do you?
However this is a perfect partnership, you dont want to give out your limited API key, they dont want you.
Whats the problem?
-
-
Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345 |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |