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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: Ephemeron
This game is setup so people have to work hard to get big reward, and when somebody works hard to get their carrier, they tend to value it a lot more. It goes against the spirit of the game to fund yourself with GTCs
Not that I totally disagree with you, but isn't it a bit obtuse to assume that spending $450 of REAL MONEY on a carrier still working hard? I mean, he REALLY had to WORK for that money. Granted, he's probably begging mom for the credit card, and he'll immediately go honor tanking his new Mothership, but I think he's earned the right to suck.
Well thing is the OP stated he was being paid pounds sterling, which have a favorable exchange rate to just about everything right now. If he's buying GTCs in dollars he may have a bit of a point. If you could get GTCs for around $5 USD you might be tempted to sell some to.
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:13:00 -
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begging mummy LOL I'm 42 my mother died 11 years ago. but I work hard just like anyone else I'm here to have fun and I don't have the time like all you kids do to spend ratting or mission running.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:18:00 -
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wow
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Arc Anna
Caldari
Pacific Starfleet Command
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:25:00 -
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Time is money and vice versa.
Weighing spending real time farming ISK and paying RL money to buy gametime, the result varies per individual.
For kids depending on mommy and students strapped for cash, farming ISK makes sense.
For adults earning real money with little time left, sitting on the PC grinding missions all night is impossible and is just more work after a hard day's grind.
I personally have ISK to buy GTCs but I choose to pay the tri-monthly fee, go figure.
FYI in the MD forum, an IPO company sold 30 GTCs to recoup a loss. As a measure of faith to its investors the CEO bought and sold 30 GTCs to get back the ISK invested.
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:26:00 -
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for those of you who whine; I'd like to see you do a hard days work once in a while and earn overú180k per year, besides most ISK is donated to players to keep them in ships I'm very generous to my alliance and alot of you would not have your t2 items if it wasn't for my úúú buying production items and producing your shinny ships
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:34:00 -
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Why are you answering this flame war? You have 30, that'll take a while to sell, as you're selling to players not some NPC. Either drop the place so they go faster, or wait.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Ephemeron
Do you at least have the common sense to realize why it is considered dishonorable to buy massive amounts of isk with lots of GTCs?
This game is setup so people have to work hard to get big reward, and when somebody works hard to get their carrier, they tend to value it a lot more. It goes against the spirit of the game to fund yourself with GTCs
I don't know why this upsets people. If they have to invest RL money to make in-game purchases, then they are already failing at the game quite badly, aren't they?
So yeah, they can buy stuff easier than you do, but each time you destroy their virtual ships, you're screwing with their RL wallet. For all you "griefers" out there that should be as satisfactory as it gets.
ahah, Thats exactly how I see it. I used to be about ****ing people off in another MMO but knowing theres a chance I could have a stab at someone's RL wallet and in game wallet is a true high  I just need to make me some more isk so i can buy ships to stay in as much pvp as possible. Its as close as you can get to punching the other guy in the face and stealing his wallet GrandTheftAuto style.
Also I would have quit eve 3months ago if it wasnt for GTCs. The more SP I get the easier isk is to come by so 400mil every 3months isn't looking so bad. However I still hope prices drop.
30day gtcs need to drop in price,isk wise.90 day gtcs= 133mil a month but if you used 30day gtcs that would be 600+mil for 3 months. 50% markup is absurd and its no wonder they don't sell as fast. Set them up around 150-160 range and they would fly off the shelfs. The current markup forces a lot of impulsive buyers to look long term and forgo the 30gtcs. The question is do you want the isk NOW or are you just trying to get as much as you can? Then again if your a business man you should have thought of that on your own. 
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Do you at least have the common sense to realize why it is considered dishonorable to buy massive amounts of isk with lots of GTCs?
In the end, this line of reasoning amounts to "It's dishonorable to use RL money to pay for other players' accounts that they use to farm datacores for you, but not dishonorable to pay RL money for your own accounts to farm your own datacores."
Ya know, I just don't see the difference, except to the guy who needs datacores and hates to farm, and the guy who loves to farm and can't afford enough accounts to do it.
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Xeroxian
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: BoboTheClown
for those of you who whine; I'd like to see you do a hard days work once in a while and earn overú180k per year, besides most ISK is donated to players to keep them in ships I'm very generous to my alliance and alot of you would not have your t2 items if it wasn't for my úúú buying production items and producing your shinny ships
crap like the quoted post makes me want to set up a gtc sale only to someone I know to avoid helping this guy out. I know I haven't gotten anything close to a t2 ship from my alliance nor would I accept it. So I know hes not in my alliance:)
As a business man he seems to fail at attracting customers. To further add to lackluster sale of his gtcs he insults the possible customers. GG 
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:08:00 -
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If your a millionaire then fair enough, if your not then go get a reality check. A game is not worth that much realife cash
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:19:00 -
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This thread is teh funneh. If you think the $1000 is soooo much money I think it's you who needs to stop playing games and get a real job...
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Do you at least have the common sense to realize why it is considered dishonorable to buy massive amounts of isk with lots of GTCs?
This game is setup so people have to work hard to get big reward, and when somebody works hard to get their carrier, they tend to value it a lot more. It goes against the spirit of the game to fund yourself with GTCs
Buying ISK via GTCs doesn't make them a better player, nor does it allow them any advantage you can't overcome by bringing a friend or two. Pop their faction-fitted masterpiece, take the loot for yourself, and chill.
In general: Let's not let this descend into a personal flame war. This issue comes up regularly. Use your energy to submit a reasoned proposal to CCP (for or against).
On another note: My wife and I just had our first child, and I'd have difficulty justifying spending money on an MMO, especially with my reduced play time. Buying GTCs for ISK lets me continue playing with a clear conscience.
I do know that 90-day GTCs have gone from a little over 300m to over 400m in the last year or two, so a settling of the price is not exactly unreasonable.
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C'thor Silvershadow
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: BoboTheClown
is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
I'll give you 1 million isk for a 30 day one. how's that sound?
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Engineer Butters
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:40:00 -
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Everybody spends their money differently. What you think is foolish or unwise can be someone else's hobby, interest, etc.
Play the game the way you want and do not worry how others play.
Every one is entitled to their opinions.
A question was asked and a few people gave their opinions on what they perceive to be the answer to that question.
I myself, have noticed that 90 day GTCs seem to sell out faster like others have posted because of the lower cost per month amount. I use to choose the 30 day but moved to the 90 day as I can now afford to part with that much isk every 3 months.
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Lindsay Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:46:00 -
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I just find all this anti-gtc stuff really weird.
- There are a ton of people who have plenty of RL cash but very little time to devote to Eve. Without GTC they would not be playing for long, as they could not be bothered taking two weeks of occasional play to replace a battle ship, or six months to replace a carrier, or whatever. If they couldn't use RL cash to fund the game they would quit.
- There are a ton of people who have plenty of time but not much RL cash. Without GTC they would not be playing at all.
These two groups of people are pretty much excluded from other MMO's, except for the use of ebay. The fact that CCP has found a scheme that enables these people to still play while ensuring that CCP gets all the real money is, in my mind, just about the most brilliant idea CCP has ever had.
I thank them for it. I think all they need to do now is halve the price of GTCs and the ISK sellers would have to go elsewhere, it would no longer be worth it. This may cause the economy to freak out for a while, but it would settle down and be a better game eventually.
I am lucky, I have worked hard for the last 20 years, I am self-employed now and have plenty of spare time, so I can afford the time to build up my eve wealth in-game. I know that one hour of RL work for me would buy me a couple of billion ISK, but that would pretty much ruin my enjoyment of the game. But for others it is the only way that they *can* enjoy them game, so more power to them.
Anyway, spending $500 of real money on a hobby that occupies so much of my time would be nothing. I used to race remote-control cars competitively and that cost me around $1000 per month, including hotels and crap. Eve is practically free in comparison.
I just can't believe how so many people think *their* view of the value of money and the value of time, can be the only valid one.
And finally, if CCP wasn't selling GTCs then the ebay market would be much worse anyway, it's not like it would stop.
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C'thor Silvershadow
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: C'thor Silvershadow
Originally by: BoboTheClown
is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
I'll give you 1 million isk for a 30 day one. how's that sound?
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: C'thor Silvershadow
I'll give you 1 million isk for a 30 day one. how's that sound?
It sounds like you're a surly, childish troll.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:11:00 -
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As a real life Starving Student but a wealthy T2 BPO manufacturer in game I think the system works fine.
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aQurio
Infamous Technologies
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:12:00 -
[49]
Edited by: aQurio on 05/02/2008 03:13:01
This post is spot on Originally by: Lindsay Fox
I just find all this anti-gtc stuff really weird.
- There are a ton of people who have plenty of RL cash but very little time to devote to Eve. Without GTC they would not be playing for long, as they could not be bothered taking two weeks of occasional play to replace a battle ship, or six months to replace a carrier, or whatever. If they couldn't use RL cash to fund the game they would quit.
- There are a ton of people who have plenty of time but not much RL cash. Without GTC they would not be playing at all.
These two groups of people are pretty much excluded from other MMO's, except for the use of ebay. The fact that CCP has found a scheme that enables these people to still play while ensuring that CCP gets all the real money is, in my mind, just about the most brilliant idea CCP has ever had.
I thank them for it. I think all they need to do now is halve the price of GTCs and the ISK sellers would have to go elsewhere, it would no longer be worth it. This may cause the economy to freak out for a while, but it would settle down and be a better game eventually.
I am lucky, I have worked hard for the last 20 years, I am self-employed now and have plenty of spare time, so I can afford the time to build up my eve wealth in-game. I know that one hour of RL work for me would buy me a couple of billion ISK, but that would pretty much ruin my enjoyment of the game. But for others it is the only way that they *can* enjoy them game, so more power to them.
Anyway, spending $500 of real money on a hobby that occupies so much of my time would be nothing. I used to race remote-control cars competitively and that cost me around $1000 per month, including hotels and crap. Eve is practically free in comparison.
I just can't believe how so many people think *their* view of the value of money and the value of time, can be the only valid one.
And finally, if CCP wasn't selling GTCs then the ebay market would be much worse anyway, it's not like it would stop.
/rant
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aQurio
Infamous Technologies
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:15:00 -
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Time is money and some people have more money then time.
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Lebowske
Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:21:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Lindsay Fox
I just find all this anti-gtc stuff really weird.
- There are a ton of people who have plenty of RL cash but very little time to devote to Eve. Without GTC they would not be playing for long, as they could not be bothered taking two weeks of occasional play to replace a battle ship, or six months to replace a carrier, or whatever. If they couldn't use RL cash to fund the game they would quit.
- There are a ton of people who have plenty of time but not much RL cash. Without GTC they would not be playing at all.
These two groups of people are pretty much excluded from other MMO's, except for the use of ebay. The fact that CCP has found a scheme that enables these people to still play while ensuring that CCP gets all the real money is, in my mind, just about the most brilliant idea CCP has ever had.
I thank them for it. I think all they need to do now is halve the price of GTCs and the ISK sellers would have to go elsewhere, it would no longer be worth it. This may cause the economy to freak out for a while, but it would settle down and be a better game eventually.
I am lucky, I have worked hard for the last 20 years, I am self-employed now and have plenty of spare time, so I can afford the time to build up my eve wealth in-game. I know that one hour of RL work for me would buy me a couple of billion ISK, but that would pretty much ruin my enjoyment of the game. But for others it is the only way that they *can* enjoy them game, so more power to them.
Anyway, spending $500 of real money on a hobby that occupies so much of my time would be nothing. I used to race remote-control cars competitively and that cost me around $1000 per month, including hotels and crap. Eve is practically free in comparison.
I just can't believe how so many people think *their* view of the value of money and the value of time, can be the only valid one.
And finally, if CCP wasn't selling GTCs then the ebay market would be much worse anyway, it's not like it would stop.
/rant
This one needs to be /signed
CCP wouldnt have at least my characters in the database if I wasnt able to replace ingame resources by GTC because of my own casual gameplay.
Eve is a "hobby" - it happens maybe twice per week down to maybe only once per month.
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Fofalus
III ELEMENTS
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:30:00 -
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This kinda peeks my interest. I always figured if I won the lottery* I would do crazy things on eve. But that would take flooding the GTC market. I figure I could offload a few thousand 90days at 200mil and still make a hefty chunk of isk.
*(Disclaimer I am thinking lottery as in 20+ million dollars after taxes)
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Mur d'Erer
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:38:00 -
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Got to my office at 08:45 this morning, was there all day, cept lunch and dinner, left at 22:07. Got 4 planes to deliver supplies, 19 hrs flight time each... talked to embassy personnel, rescue workers, doctors, freight managers, damn heathrow airport personnel, accountants, project managers and so on. Probably won't log on to EVE tonight. But if i did, do you really think i'd go missionrunning or beltratting?
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mur d'Erer
Got to my office at 08:45 this morning, was there all day, cept lunch and dinner, left at 22:07. Got 4 planes to deliver supplies, 19 hrs flight time each... talked to embassy personnel, rescue workers, doctors, freight managers, damn heathrow airport personnel, accountants, project managers and so on. Probably won't log on to EVE tonight. But if i did, do you really think i'd go missionrunning or beltratting?
Yeah, yeah. Everyone who plays EVE and buys GTCs is a successful businessman or wealthy entrepreneur, without a doubt.
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Ricardo Phallus
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fofalus
This kinda peeks my interest. I always figured if I won the lottery* I would do crazy things on eve. But that would take flooding the GTC market. I figure I could offload a few thousand 90days at 200mil and still make a hefty chunk of isk.
*(Disclaimer I am thinking lottery as in 20+ million dollars after taxes)
Great idea, that would be worth it just for the whining it would generate.
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Mur d'Erer
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mur d''Erer on 05/02/2008 03:48:27
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Yeah, yeah. Everyone who plays EVE and buys GTCs is a successful businessman or wealthy entrepreneur, without a doubt.
I'd say it's people who don't want to grind and have money to spend. Doesn't matter how you get your money.
Edit: i know a neurosurgeon form the US who plays EVE. Alas, he likes ratting and still is in a noobcorp after almost 2 years of playing.
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Fofalus
III ELEMENTS
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ricardo Phallus
Originally by: Fofalus
This kinda peeks my interest. I always figured if I won the lottery* I would do crazy things on eve. But that would take flooding the GTC market. I figure I could offload a few thousand 90days at 200mil and still make a hefty chunk of isk.
*(Disclaimer I am thinking lottery as in 20+ million dollars after taxes)
Great idea, that would be worth it just for the whining it would generate.
That was at least one reason I would do it. Just for all the QQers. The real beauty is the market would be so flooded that no one could sell them for any realistic money and CCP would either be ****ed of or well enough off to stop the whole GTC to ISK thing. One can dream right!
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Rilwen
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Fox
lots of stuff
Anyway, spending $500 of real money on a hobby that occupies so much of my time would be nothing.
other stuff
I agree with what you said Lindsay, but this sentance i agree with the most, $500 for a hobby is nothing i know people who play Warhammer minitures spend $1000 for an army and have 5 different armies, they also tend to pay to get them painted because they want a good paint job so that could be another $200 an army. So $6000 or so all up, and then in a couple of months time or what ever they move on and get a different army because they feel that they've gotten the hang of or mastered the ones they have.
As for the whole GTC issue i actually like it, I've never bought one because getting that kinda money together is always a little tough, but i just changed jobs and getting less money means i might actually have to save and start.
so what are you charging for your 30 day codes, please mail me in game about it I might be prepaired to buy 2 of them if the price is right
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Triath Lon
Keepers of Balance
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rilwen
they want a good paint job so that could be another $200 an army.
Good paintjob is $50 per character for distinct characters. My DA terminator squad ran me $370 for pro paintjob. Another $120 for each bike squad...
No, $500 is not a lot for a hobby.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 05/02/2008 05:38:10
If your so interested in selling them, if they are 30day GTC's set one up for Blaze Infernus at 150mill and i'll take one, but next time buy a smaller amount and sit in the Trade-Other channel, and post in the GTC forums. Undercut a little, after all, your loaded so it doesnt matter if you lose a little isk:ú ratio.
Mind you if you do, evemail this char so i know, i cant keep be checkin every 10 mins 
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