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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:54:00 -
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is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:56:00 -
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30 ? My god, couldn't you spend that sort've money on something with a bit more substance than an MMO ? A Ferrari perhaps ?
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:56:00 -
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It's cause too many people decided that GTCs are just a CCP approved way of buying ISK with real money.
Demand is limited, you can't simply buy 30 GTCs and expect to convert it all to isk.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:58:00 -
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Uh....
Well, sometimes the market dries up. Too many sellers, and all the buyers are paid up as far as they want to be. Eventually you'll be getting less and less ISK for them, too.
I'd love to ask you what you're doing with 30 GTCs, but I guess that's obvious. 
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Andrest Disch
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Andrest Disch on 04/02/2008 22:01:25
You could probably pay several people to play the game for you with the money you spent on 30 GTCs. o.O
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:01:00 -
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No GTCNR for you ! 
 Originally by: ivan draco
we didnt want your post anyway
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ghost st
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: BoboTheClown
is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
You must be the SOB who bought all the gtcs battleclinic, my alt runs out tomorrow, and i hope they get some in
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:16:00 -
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Oh wyren baby
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:18:00 -
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For the record, I want people to realize that GTCs help isk farmers, the people who sell isk for real money.
They farm isk, they buy GTC with isk, and use those characters to train skills, buy Ravens, farm much more isk with Ravens. All this without spending any real money. Only converting play time into real money.
If they had to pay for their Raven character's time with real money, farmers would be a lot more reluctant to use them.
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Lisa Seraph
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:25:00 -
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As a broke college kid who would rather play a game than get a real job....
I love it!
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gort on 04/02/2008 22:32:34
Edited by: Gort on 04/02/2008 22:31:44
Everyone in the game farms isk to some degree or another. I do it to support my PvP habit. The technique I use is to go to belts and kill rats for the bounty.
The question is not whether someone farms isk. The question is whether they sell it for RL money.
GTCs are, IMO, a reasonable tool (edit: see Lisa's post above). Others, of course, don't agree.
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Gort on 04/02/2008 22:34:11
Edited by: Gort on 04/02/2008 22:31:21
30? Time for a break, mate.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:33:00 -
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30 GTC? Dont think I have that much to spend in general let alone for converting into isk. I assume u got 30day ones. 30x90day GTC would just make me wanna see u sell none of them all the more 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:34:00 -
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If the farmers would be (percentually) the main source of GTC purchases with ISK, you'd see GTC prices soaring upwards.
Instead, the fact that GTC prices are starting to drop down again means much more "regular" people (again, percentually speaking) take advantage of the ISK-to-GTC method of account payment.
Would the farmers quit if they had to use real-world money to pay for subscriptions ?
You can bet your ass not many of them would quit... just jack up prices instead to compensate.
How big is the "farming community" anyway ?
Gross guesstimates puts them anywhere up to 5% of the total EVE population, give or take.
However, how many LEGITIMATE players would quit ?
I have no idea of the actual numbers, but by looking at the numbers of GTCs offered for sale lately, I'd have to wager an ever increasing number of people have "converted" to this method of payment, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if maybe even 20% of the subscriptions of legitimate players are being paid for with ISK rather than cash.
Now, I have no idea what you hope to acheive, but I'd rather keep more normal people playing, and more GTCs sold for ISK, than have a bunch of farmers sell ISK for cash directly and GTC-for-ISK being forbidden.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:41:00 -
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I sense a GTChimera in BoboTheClown's future.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
For the record, I want people to realize that GTCs help isk farmers, the people who sell isk for real money.
They farm isk, they buy GTC with isk, and use those characters to train skills, buy Ravens, farm much more isk with Ravens. All this without spending any real money. Only converting play time into real money.
If they had to pay for their Raven character's time with real money, farmers would be a lot more reluctant to use them.
Unlike the WoW goldfarmers who mostly use stolen creditcards you mean?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: BoboTheClown
is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
I assume that's 30-day cards. Most people tend to go for 90-day GTCs as their price is cheaper per month.
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Lisa Seraph
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:57:00 -
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Wait a minute, 30 gtc's....
Thats like $450, ú226.7, Ç302.8, etc....
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McAltyalty
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: McAltyalty on 04/02/2008 22:58:27
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: BoboTheClown
is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
I assume that's 30-day cards. Most people tend to go for 90-day GTCs as their price is cheaper per month.
Thats true, but sellers prefer to sell 30day gtc's because they yeild a higher isk:cash ration.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/02/2008 23:03:22
Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
I sense a GTChimera in BoboTheClown's future.
More like, past. At least his post history claims he used to fly one.
But future too, probably... in case he just lost it recently.
Originally by: McAltyalty
Thats true, but sellers prefer to sell 30day gtc's because they yeild a higher isk:cash ration.
Well, if they can't sell'em, they won't
P.S. Here, O.P., what the heck. I'll buy a 30-day one for 120 mil.
That's how much they used to cost a year and a half ago, before prices rose to a ridiculous high of 220 mil or around that.
You know, for my alt that's in stasis right now traning a long skill, and din't plan activating it until much later.
Not really want to, but if you can't seem to be able to get rid of'em, I'll cave and "just do it", do you a favour.
What do you say ?
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:37:00 -
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Oh i own my own business so i make quite alot of úúú per year so every month i trade GTC's through one of my 4 alts, but i did lose a chimera last month sadly it was nasty.
But ill keep in mind about the 90day gtc's in future, but right now i trade with this alt to avoid too much attention from my high profile main.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:43:00 -
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Do you at least have the common sense to realize why it is considered dishonorable to buy massive amounts of isk with lots of GTCs?
This game is setup so people have to work hard to get big reward, and when somebody works hard to get their carrier, they tend to value it a lot more. It goes against the spirit of the game to fund yourself with GTCs
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: BoboTheClown
is no one buying gtc's anymore ive been tying to offload like 30 all day
Average price for game time codes at the beginning of last year was like 150 mil ISK for 30s and 350m ISK for 90s, and you could get them much cheaper if you knew where to look. The solution to offloading your codes quickly would be to drop price below everyone else selling. Players are buying GTCs every day, just not from you if your price isn't competitive.
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:50:00 -
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I understand fully and i often pop macro miners and try and shop in to ccp isk buyers, but this is sanctioned by CCP and under EULA, besides im wise enough to ignore the double requests from chacters or odd stranged name chacters and after being here since 2003 i think i might just know how this game works seeing as im an industrial orientated person.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Do you at least have the common sense to realize why it is considered dishonorable to buy massive amounts of isk with lots of GTCs?
This game is setup so people have to work hard to get big reward, and when somebody works hard to get their carrier, they tend to value it a lot more. It goes against the spirit of the game to fund yourself with GTCs
I don't know why this upsets people. If they have to invest RL money to make in-game purchases, then they are already failing at the game quite badly, aren't they?
So yeah, they can buy stuff easier than you do, but each time you destroy their virtual ships, you're screwing with their RL wallet. For all you "griefers" out there that should be as satisfactory as it gets.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:55:00 -
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I have no problem with ISK buyers as long as it's via GTCs... the more, the merrier !
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:57:00 -
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Aww my wallet doesn't hurt much and i consider winning or losing fun, but im into purchasing of BPO's mostly for production. I lost the carrier sadly due to a well placed camp when i was transporting items.
But ive seen alot of people selling them and those are your opinions and i respect them but wouldn't force my own upon another person.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:05:00 -
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I bought 2x90's for me and my alt, so I'm all good. I really love how I can pay for this game with isk as my alt is a trader. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play.
Thanks CPP :)
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BoboTheClown
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:12:00 -
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Yup alot of players cant afford to play so it gives them the ability to. We are just paying for others to play in exchange for their time earned isk which we use to fund large ventures, alot of alliances and corps do it.
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
Interstellar Vacation Center
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
This game is setup so people have to work hard to get big reward, and when somebody works hard to get their carrier, they tend to value it a lot more. It goes against the spirit of the game to fund yourself with GTCs
Not that I totally disagree with you, but isn't it a bit obtuse to assume that spending $450 of REAL MONEY on a carrier still working hard? I mean, he REALLY had to WORK for that money. Granted, he's probably begging mom for the credit card, and he'll immediately go honor tanking his new Mothership, but I think he's earned the right to suck.
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