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Alicia Ryan
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Posted - 2008.02.06 01:09:00 -
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High Sec ganking is just completely inbalanced, a missionrunner who spend half a year or more to get his dreamship can just be ganked by some gank bs in seconds. U loose about 20m per bs. And the Cnr or any other missionship dropps, faction officer mods... so it is no risk vs high reward. First maybe just change the module scanner and dont alow it in empire...
Hope u fix this soon, cause it is known along time...
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Zaiyo Modi
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 06/02/2008 03:26:30
Edited by: Zaiyo Modi on 06/02/2008 03:23:59
As far as I can tell it is not possible to get away if you aggro a missionrunning battleship in highsec, or even to destroy a missionrunning battleship.
What is the alleged imbalance here? That it is possible to suicide gank some missionrunner flying in a smaller ship?
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Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.06 04:21:00 -
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I'm having a little trouble seeing what the problem is here. If you responded to someone stealing loot from you by attacking, then you should have known what would happen, and the 'ganker' is risking destruction. If this was a suicide gank, then the ganker lost that ship to CONCORD.
So, were you dim enough to attack someone without realizing that he WANTED you to attack him, or are you crying about someone who lost his ship while taking yours out? (for potential profit)
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Alicia Ryan
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:19:00 -
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no, if u get 6-7 t1 bs together u can kill every missionrunning ship, so u have about 140m loss and the ship drops maybe a few bill in loot cause u know what it have fitted. Thats just too much... and really to easy. And no i was not ganked, just this is something what should not happen.
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Alicia Ryan
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Posted - 2008.02.14 22:35:00 -
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T1 bs kill this bs, in highsec without war? Fair?
http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=102682
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FuQue
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Posted - 2008.02.14 22:57:00 -
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Yah, a T1 battleship can be fully paid for through insurance and whatever drops from the poor soul that got ganked. No risk - huge reward. Definately needs to be fixed.
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Jason Travers
Space 1999
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Posted - 2008.02.15 03:44:00 -
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The best way I can think of to fix the most issues in highsec is to make it so that you cannot shoot in highsec unless you are at war with the current target, or are targeting NPCÆs. Now let me hear the greafers/PVPÆers and Gankers cry and flame away with the same ole lines.
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Rogerano
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:42:00 -
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I proposed a while ago that insurance is not paid to people who have concord on their loss-mail. That would allow high-sec gankers to continue their legitimate profession (which it is, despite your views) but it would force them to make a real risk vs reward judgement. Right now there is no risk since insurance pays for it all.
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Scouteye
Locasta Tactical
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Posted - 2008.02.15 12:29:00 -
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How does a faction BS with faction fitting not out-tank 6 t1 BS with t1 fittings while aligning to go to warp?
If they are fitting better than t1 then the balance is brought in even more, 1 faction ship for 6 well fitted t1 BS. Thats fair surly?
Even if scrambled, CONCORD jam and scram and nos/neut now and the dps from those ships should not be breaking a faction tank in that amount of time..... unless your flying AFK and dont have them turned on so emm.. oops your fault.
This not an AFK game and from doing high sec my self recently its the afkers that get killed, theres not enough time to kill those warping to 0 even if you scramble them on the other side of the gate.
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Magazaki
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Posted - 2008.02.15 13:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Scouteye
How does a faction BS with faction fitting not out-tank 6 t1 BS with t1 fittings while aligning to go to warp?
I can't say I agree with the OP here, but, eh, what are you talking about here? We're talking battleship tank here, and not even passive one... The question is how COULD a single batteship EVER tank 6, even T1 fit, battleships? (Except, maybe, for a specialised Scorpion baitship, but that's not the question here)?
First of all, missions are done using active tank when using a BS, and no active tank that you're gonna see on a missioning ship is gonna tank 6 battleships, period. Even for a small amount of time, active tank is like this.
Second, depending on what the battleships use and if they found your resist hole (missionrunning can be difficult with omnitank), they may one-two-three volley you (artie-torpphoons, ravens, artytempests, whatever). Are you serious here? Aligning for warp? In a raven? And that's just a little time? Quote:
If they are fitting better than t1 then the balance is brought in even more, 1 faction ship for 6 well fitted t1 BS. Thats fair surly?
Yes, it's fair IMO, but that doesn't mean that the faction guy ever stood a chance of a snowball in hell or that the rest of the statements are true. Quote:
Even if scrambled, CONCORD jam and scram and nos/neut now and the dps from those ships should not be breaking a faction tank in that amount of time..... unless your flying AFK and dont have them turned on so emm.. oops your fault.
ROFL. If the poor missionrunner could only last this long. Really, that's just a bunch of false assumptions. First, 6 battleships with high-alpha weapons can make shortwork of the pimped faction raven in no time, probably before concord interferes. Especially if, for example, he's fighting guristas and they shoot EM at him (ouch). Quintuple that if he is fighting in a slow-concord system (0.5).
Second, if they are using, say, dominixes, one they sic his drones on him, it's as good as over. Do you realize the damage of 5x6=30 double damage ogres (or praetors or whatever) are gonna deal? Ouch...
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GodaFellah
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Posted - 2008.02.15 14:22:00 -
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i totally agree that insurance should not cover attackers ship when target is not wartarget or criminally flagged.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
The Unseen Company
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:25:00 -
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Mission runners in faction fitted CNRs should just die sometimes. Dying is natural. Its risk versus reward. You choose more reward (more isk per hour) - missioning in a popular place (for comfort and best agents), in uber ship (for DPS), with no more tank then nercesary (for more DPS), solo (to keep profits). Increased risk is the cost.
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Verys
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Verys on 15/02/2008 16:50:56
Look it thinks it's ridiculous why you could fly around in such an expensive ship doing mission almost afk when you can also do these lvl 4's with a standard fit t1 raven ship a t2 fit makes it afkish already. You make yourself avaiable as a target by fitting those ridiculous expensive mods on your ship.
The fit on this ship as posted is completly mental i mean fitting billions on a cnr is just a waiste of isk imo.
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Zarch AlDain
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2008.02.15 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon
Mission runners in faction fitted CNRs should just die sometimes. Dying is natural. Its risk versus reward. You choose more reward (more isk per hour) - missioning in a popular place (for comfort and best agents), in uber ship (for DPS), with no more tank then nercesary (for more DPS), solo (to keep profits). Increased risk is the cost.
True, but there is 0 none no risk at all for the attackers.
They are going in losing their ships and sec status but they know that in advance. They aren't RISKING anything.
The risk-reward is too high for suicide gankers atm.
Zarch AlDain
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Zarch AlDain
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2008.02.15 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Verys
Edited by: Verys on 15/02/2008 16:50:56
Look it thinks it's ridiculous why you could fly around in such an expensive ship doing mission almost afk when you can also do these lvl 4's with a standard fit t1 raven ship a t2 fit makes it afkish already. You make yourself avaiable as a target by fitting those ridiculous expensive mods on your ship.
The fit on this ship as posted is completly mental i mean fitting billions on a cnr is just a waiste of isk imo.
In your opinion. However if someone is a mission runner and it is what they want to do then they will pay isk to be able to do it as fast as possible. Their playing style may be different from yours but it is just as valid.
Zarch AlDain
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:37:00 -
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Maybe you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose? 
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Maybe you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose?
In Highsec as well?
Tell me, where then can you fly it?
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Redd Lenses
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.16 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Redd Lenses on 16/02/2008 00:23:40
Nice kill guys...
gratz
btw, stfu about high sec ganking... it's been going on forever and will never stop.
Edit #1 after calming down from another ******* anti-suicide gank thread...
Security Status by Reggie Stoneloader
and have a longer punishment for high sec ganks
Edit #2 for linkage.
Edit #3 for pic from corpmate.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.16 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
Originally by: Tarminic
Maybe you shouldn't fly what you can't afford to lose?
In Highsec as well?
Tell me, where then can you fly it?
the tutorial explains that once you undock you are not safe, flaunting your wallet is never really a good idea
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Lady ISK
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.02.16 02:56:00 -
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Total Damage Taken: 38,877
I don't even know how you managed to have that few amount of HP
I'd have at least double that, plus the amount of time the shield booster would be running.
Quick Fit looking at it, I'd have had 85,000 effective without boosting.
All those billions, and you didn't even have 2 more rigs
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Turpis Vita
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Posted - 2008.02.16 03:46:00 -
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Want to reduce hisec suicide ganks? Throw newbie alts at the gates until every gate in hisec has two dozen CONCORD sitting on it. Suicide ganking is made possible by the delay in the response time of CONCORD, as once they arrive, the fight is all but over. So the trick is to make sure there are always CONCORD on the gates. Take a free trial alt, fly to a gate, fire at a random passerby, or the gate, or the gateguns, or heck, the suicide gankercampers, and voila, instant CONCORD presence. Do it with friends to get a bigger cloud of CONCORD to show up.
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