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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 02:48:00 -
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Why is the rifter so superior to all other Tech1 frigates, especially for PvP?
Honestly, a rifter is even better than most assault frigates. And it's not even a competition when you consider the cost.
Rather than saying that the rifter is too good, my real suggestion is to bring other frigates to its level. It would make gameplay more interesting...even early on. I don't see why there is such a huge difference in usefulness between the combat frigates, when they all take virtually no time to train for.
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Storm Strike
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Posted - 2008.02.06 02:53:00 -
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Punisher > rifter
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.02.06 02:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Alexi Kate
Why is the rifter so superior to all other Tech1 frigates, especially for PvP?
It's not superior, but it is the most pupular one. And that is because it's the only heavy frigate that is still pretty fast, and because unlike its Gallente and Caldari counterparts (Tristan and Merlin) it has 3 turret slots.
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Honestly, a rifter is even better than most assault frigates.
No way in hell it is. Especially if you're talking about a 1 v 1 situation between a Rifter and an assault ship (the Rifter would be lucky if it manages to run away).
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Rather than saying that the rifter is too good, my real suggestion is to bring other frigates to its level. It would make gameplay more interesting...even early on. I don't see why there is such a huge difference in usefulness between the combat frigates, when they all take virtually no time to train for.
Wait, you just said that you think the Rifter is better than many assault ships. Wouldn't that mean that you think the Rifter is overpowered and the other frigates are fine as they are?
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HotAngel
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:04:00 -
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Looking at the other tier 3 frigates:
Kestrel -> +1 mid, add a bit of grid and cpu
Merlin -> -1 missile, +1 turret, add a bit of grid and take a way a bit of cpu
Tristan -> -1 missile, +1 turret, add a bit of grid and take a way a bit of cpu
Incursus -> +1 low, add a bit of grid and cpu
Punisher -> fine
Inquisitor -> +1 mid, add a bit of grid and cpu
Breacher -> +1 mid, +1 low, add a bit of grid and cpu
Yeah it might make things a little to similar, but I'd rather have similar and useful than different and useless.
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Parfait M
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:08:00 -
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Nerf t1 frigs tbh, that'll teach 'em.
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Heravik
Minmatar
No Quarter. Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:12:00 -
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Let me just start off by saying, your stupid. For starters off uve been playing for 2months and some change so..dont go a crying, now lets approach this logically..well for one thing each races "Best frigate" isnt neccisarly Merlin/Rifter/Punisher/Tristan, admitidly i feel like the kestrel is more powerful than the merlin, the tristan is closely tied to the incursus (Both are amazing) and the punisher is just amazing, theres stories of it wailingo n most ship classes (i havent really heard any of the rifter but by no meens is this a real comparison in ships) But essentially what im saying is, U r stupids lololol thank you. And no i do not claim to be all knowing hell ive been playing for..4 months or so? i dont have years under my belt and i do not deny that.
-Heravik
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Heravik
Let me just start off by saying, your stupid. For starters off uve been playing for 2months and some change so..dont go a crying, now lets approach this logically..well for one thing each races "Best frigate" isnt neccisarly Merlin/Rifter/Punisher/Tristan, admitidly i feel like the kestrel is more powerful than the merlin, the tristan is closely tied to the incursus (Both are amazing) and the punisher is just amazing, theres stories of it wailingo n most ship classes (i havent really heard any of the rifter but by no meens is this a real comparison in ships) But essentially what im saying is, U r stupids lololol thank you. And no i do not claim to be all knowing hell ive been playing for..4 months or so? i dont have years under my belt and i do not deny that.
-Heravik
Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
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Heravik
Minmatar
No Quarter. Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:29:00 -
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Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
Let me rephrase this then, u suck, stop pretending like u understand all game mechanichs, l2p, and honestly the whole "Get lost" eh could use some work.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No way in hell it is. Especially if you're talking about a 1 v 1 situation between a Rifter and an assault ship (the Rifter would be lucky if it manages to run away).
I didn't say 1v1 with an assault ship. For example: a rifter will lose to a hawk...the hawk has a much better tank, and will never miss due to missiles (but note that a rifter's DPS can easily match a T2 hawk's). But I sure as hell would bet on a rifter tackling and taking down plenty of long-range cruisers (or similar) over a hawk, due to rifter's much superior speed.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Heravik
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Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
Let me rephrase this then, u suck, stop pretending like u understand all game mechanichs, l2p, and honestly the whole "Get lost" eh could use some work.
Lol, you're a comedy goldmine. "mechanichs"...lol.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Heravik
Let me just start off by saying, your stupid. For starters off uve been playing for 2months and some change so..dont go a crying, now lets approach this logically..well for one thing each races "Best frigate" isnt neccisarly Merlin/Rifter/Punisher/Tristan, admitidly i feel like the kestrel is more powerful than the merlin, the tristan is closely tied to the incursus (Both are amazing) and the punisher is just amazing, theres stories of it wailingo n most ship classes (i havent really heard any of the rifter but by no meens is this a real comparison in ships) But essentially what im saying is, U r stupids lololol thank you. And no i do not claim to be all knowing hell ive been playing for..4 months or so? i dont have years under my belt and i do not deny that.
-Heravik
Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I C WAT U DID THERE :)
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Heravik
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Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
Let me rephrase this then, u suck, stop pretending like u understand all game mechanichs, l2p, and honestly the whole "Get lost" eh could use some work.
Lol, you're a comedy goldmine. "mechanichs"...lol.
Interestingly enough, this game is played in countries where English is NOT a primary language. Insulting his spelling and grammar does not hide the fact that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in your original post.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 06/02/2008 03:40:58
Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No way in hell it is. Especially if you're talking about a 1 v 1 situation between a Rifter and an assault ship (the Rifter would be lucky if it manages to run away).
I didn't say 1v1 with an assault ship. For example: a rifter will lose to a hawk...the hawk has a much better tank, and will never miss due to missiles (but note that a rifter's DPS can easily match a T2 hawk's).
So does the Kestrel.
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But I sure as hell would bet on a rifter tackling and taking down plenty of long-range cruisers (or similar) over a hawk, due to rifter's much superior speed.
Each ship has its job. And in this case you're comparing a Caldari (the race with the slowest ships) assault ship (a class of ships not intended for high speeds) to a Minmatar (the race with the fastest ship) regular frigate.
Also, if the speed and tackling is the big advantage, then the Vigil is better than the Rifter.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Heravik
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Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
Let me rephrase this then, u suck, stop pretending like u understand all game mechanichs, l2p, and honestly the whole "Get lost" eh could use some work.
Lol, you're a comedy goldmine. "mechanichs"...lol.
Interestingly enough, this game is played in countries where English is NOT a primary language. Insulting his spelling and grammar does not hide the fact that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in your original post.
Saying "your stupid" does not invalidate someone's post either. So accept that his post is worthless.
How do I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about? Are you saying rifter is balanced with all the other frigates? I'm guessing you've never played Eve, or even played with EFT - is this correct?
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Crazy Karl
Infragilis Conventio Corp.
Ethereal Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:45:00 -
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rifter is a nice ship, even a 2-3 week old player can have a decent setup on it
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:46:00 -
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"So does the Kestrel."
True, but I think we're changing the subject. The hawk sucks (and assault frigates in general are need of a boost).
"Each ship has its job. And in this case you're comparing a Caldari (the race with the slowest ships) assault ship (a class of ships not intended for high speeds) to a Minmatar (the race with the fastest ship) regular frigate.
Also, if the speed and tackling is the big advantage, then the Vigil is better than the Rifter."
The rifter is all-around the best frigate for pvp. That's my opinion. There are a COUPLE others that come close. Some say even beat it.
But let's admit to this case - that doesn't mean rifter (or those couple others) are balanced with the rest. Why use one of the lesser frigates instead of the good ones? Why not have them balanced? That would be more fun.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Heravik
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Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
Let me rephrase this then, u suck, stop pretending like u understand all game mechanichs, l2p, and honestly the whole "Get lost" eh could use some work.
Lol, you're a comedy goldmine. "mechanichs"...lol.
Interestingly enough, this game is played in countries where English is NOT a primary language. Insulting his spelling and grammar does not hide the fact that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in your original post.
Saying "your stupid" does not invalidate someone's post either. So accept that his post is worthless.
How do I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about? Are you saying rifter is balanced with all the other frigates? I'm guessing you've never played Eve, or even played with EFT - is this correct?
Yes sweetheart, I've never even played eve, I just use these forums for the fun of it.
Perhaps you should try flying a kestrel, or a punisher, or a tristan. Then come back and whine about it.
I somehow doubt the "experience" 2 months in a frigate has given you outweighs the YEARS that the rest of the player base has used these ships with no problems at all. The rifter is fine. The other frigates are fine. Learn to play the game before you whine about it.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Heravik
Minmatar
No Quarter. Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:51:00 -
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Honestly, a rifter is even better than most assault frigates. And it's not even a competition when you consider the cost.
..u say the hawk is better but..look up, the jaguars faster and the wolfs harder hitting, and logically yes it would make since that the rifter has naturally more speed being minmatar vs the hawk/harpy with there harder hiting. Granted the rifter is an aamazing tackler, as it should be, cause tahts all it can do.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral PelleonYes sweetheart, I've never even played eve, I just use these forums for the fun of it.
Perhaps you should try flying a kestrel, or a punisher, or a tristan. Then come back and whine about it.
I somehow doubt the "experience" 2 months in a frigate has given you outweighs the YEARS that the rest of the player base has used these ships with no problems at all. The rifter is fine. The other frigates are fine. Learn to play the game before you whine about it.[/quote
Lol, clearly the notion of "alts" is not understood by you.
I've flown them all. And I know which ones are good. The rifter is, in my opinion, the best. A couple others might come close, but that's it.
If you took the time to comprehend my original post, I didn't say that the rifter needed to be "fixed." Learn to read before you whine about threads, "sweetheart."
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Akkrillo
Dread Lords
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:53:00 -
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i dont see why people complain about ships being too powerful... every pilot has the potential to fly any ship. you think the rifter it a bit too strong compared to other frigates? speng a few hours training minmatar frigate to lv 3. problem solved.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:54:00 -
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Post with your main then.
BTW Perhaps you should try a rocket kestrel with a medium extender and a mwd.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akkrillo
i dont see why people complain about ships being too powerful... every pilot has the potential to fly any ship. you think the rifter it a bit too strong compared to other frigates? speng a few hours training minmatar frigate to lv 3. problem solved.
I _DID_. Don't you see the problem? Anyone wanting to seriously pvp in a frigate will train that.
Don't you like options instead of forced choices? I do.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Post with your main then.
BTW Perhaps you should try a rocket kestrel with a medium extender and a mwd.
Because a rifter with an AFTERBURNER is better for pvp.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Dors Venabily on 06/02/2008 03:58:56
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you post at one hand that rifter is too good but deny they are overpowered then post its the best aka overpowered
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Rifter is good but not overpowering so the fact they are used most is because of simple fact ppl like to play matar in pvp and they have other great ships so they can fly rifter as well
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Any assault frig will smack rifter silly if the pilot is worth anything although AFs as a class need a bit of a boost but compared to t1 cruisers or the other t2 frig hulled counterparts.
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I tend not to call ppl stupid and i don't agree with name calling but you have no clue what are you talking bout and don't try to rebuff his correct although not politely put argument with spelling whining it actually makes you look like you admit you screwed the pooch
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EFT is not eve you can kill rifter in other T1 frigates easy enough its tactics and piloting not Stats. 
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:58:00 -
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Edited by: VJ Maverick on 06/02/2008 03:58:18
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Heravik
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Wow. The "your stupid" is funny EVERY SINGLE TIME I READ IT. When will you people learn?
I can't understand your post. What are you even saying? Get lost.
Let me rephrase this then, u suck, stop pretending like u understand all game mechanichs, l2p, and honestly the whole "Get lost" eh could use some work.
Lol, you're a comedy goldmine. "mechanichs"...lol.
Interestingly enough, this game is played in countries where English is NOT a primary language. Insulting his spelling and grammar does not hide the fact that you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in your original post.
Seeing as how foreigners know more about English grammar, diction, and spelling than most native speakers, I somehow doubt that Heravik is a foreigner. Also, foreigner or not, I think the phrase "your stupid" contains so much poetic irony that it is simply impossible not to laugh at someone who uses it.
Telling your girlfriend that you play EvE is like telling her about your herpes. Timing is everything. |
Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dors Venabily
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you post at one hand that rifter is too good but deny they are overpowered then post its the best aka overpowered
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Rifter is good but not overpowering so the fact they are used most is because of simple fact ppl like to play matar in pvp and they have other great ships so they can fly rifter as well
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Any assault frig will smack rifter silly if the pilot is worth anything although AFs as a class need a bit of a boost but compared to t1 cruisers or the other t2 frig hulled counterparts.
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I tend not to call ppl stupid and i don't agree with name calling but you have no clue what are you talking bout and don't try to rebuff his correct although not politely put argument with spelling whining it actually makes you look like you admit you screwed the pooch
It's like reading comprehension is lacking in all online forums. Go to school or something.
This comment is especially commical, when considering what I actually posted:
"you post at one hand that rifter is too good but deny they are overpowered then post its the best aka overpowered" - wtf??? Try again.
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Akkrillo
Dread Lords
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kate
I _DID_. Don't you see the problem? Anyone wanting to seriously pvp in a frigate will train that.
Don't you like options instead of forced choices? I do.
no , i fail to see a problem here. the rifter looks amazing. who cares if everyone is in one
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.02.06 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Post with your main then.
BTW Perhaps you should try a rocket kestrel with a medium extender and a mwd.
Because a rifter with an AFTERBURNER is better for pvp.
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Capless weapons that don't need tracking, Passive buffer, higher speed, and the ability to fit a point give the kestrel an amazing platform for frigate vs. frigate combat.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Alexi Kate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akkrillo
Originally by: Alexi Kate
I _DID_. Don't you see the problem? Anyone wanting to seriously pvp in a frigate will train that.
Don't you like options instead of forced choices? I do.
no , i fail to see a problem here. the rifter looks amazing. who cares if everyone is in one
IMO, almost any Amaar or Gallente ship look better than any Minmitar ship. And I don't even fly Amaar. Caldari are the ugly ones, though.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.02.06 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kate
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Capless weapons that don't need tracking, Passive buffer, higher speed, and the ability to fit a point give the kestrel an amazing platform for frigate vs. frigate combat.
Do you think you can really fit 4x rockets, a MWD, and medium shield extender on a kestrel?
LOL, hello powergrid.
Oh, and goodbye web or scrambler. Oh, goodbye slot for speed or BCS.
Rifter is better.
MAPCs.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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