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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:28:00 -
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(Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:28:00 -
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(Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
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Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:31:00 -
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They can gloat all they want, still dont think it will save them, but time will tell.
Thundercats 4 Life |
Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:31:00 -
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They can gloat all they want, still dont think it will save them, but time will tell.
Thundercats 4 Life |
laotse
The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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gaaaaaap man your lame http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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I wish they had stats on how much an alliance/corp wastes everyones time on caod. Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint |
laotse
The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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gaaaaaap man your lame http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:32:00 -
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I wish they had stats on how much an alliance/corp wastes everyones time on caod. Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint |
TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:33:00 -
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If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:33:00 -
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If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
And with that in mind, if your killboard would show isk efficiency we could get a clearer picture, but it don't...
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
And with that in mind, if your killboard would show isk efficiency we could get a clearer picture, but it don't...
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:36:00 -
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who cares
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Darko1107 on 08/02/2008 01:37:55
Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
Yeh this really doesnt highligt K/D ratios agreed. But what is intresting is it highlights BoBs impact on each individual aliance. For example, if BoB were to destroy a massive coalition fleet, yes the coalition as whole would come off badly, but the individual alliances would be relatively unharmed.
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laotse
The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:38:00 -
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hanno get out plaese dont make goons more stupid then they already are http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe who cares
I certainly don't, to be honest. That's actually the whole point of this thread.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: laotse dont make goons more stupid then they already are
I think we can all agree this is impossible.
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:54:00 -
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Finfleet is still the best corp in BoB.
Big ups to my man Jesus, SHNB9000
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Neuraxis Aeon
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.08 01:58:00 -
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What I don't understand is why CCP don't have a built in system for kills in this game on your character sheet. There are so many different battle stats that could be collected per pilot in game which would make the basic Killboards look obsolete.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 08/02/2008 02:01:57 Was there not a post the other day showing total losses for the top alliances and im sure it showed that goons had taken twice if not 3 times the losses that bob has let alone the whole coalition. Not only that but delve has yet to fall and goons/coalition have hardly been in the sort of wars against a numerical similar foe or somtimes actualy a bit larger.
I have ltiile doubt that now the numbers are so highly stacked against them that the K/D ratio of bob will drop but it is hardly a true reflection of how things realy were before 80% of 0.0 was sieging them.
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:03:00 -
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noone who went a bit into eve cares about k/d ratio mate ------
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Splagada noone who went a bit into eve cares about k/d ratio mate
Buddy we have all seen hydra fight and tbh your a lot like goons cos if you did care about K/D ratios you would either quit the game or hang yourself.
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Adun Abstrusus
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:09:00 -
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Every kill board will be off track until CCP decides to track this for us. CCP adding kills and losses to the character sheet was hopefully the first step in this process. I believe it is safe to say every alliance has those that do not put every kill or loss in their kill boards for many different reasons. Some are worse than others just like everything...There is a need and it is a very popular tool for every alliance. This would give them more eyes on their site and I would think that is one of their goals.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Adun Abstrusus Every kill board will be off track until CCP decides to track this for us. CCP adding kills and losses to the character sheet was hopefully the first step in this process. I believe it is safe to say every alliance has those that do not put every kill or loss in their kill boards for many different reasons. Some are worse than others just like everything...There is a need and it is a very popular tool for every alliance. This would give them more eyes on their site and I would think that is one of their goals.
Its stupid realy cos if the guy who got the last shot in gets a mail why not send one to a eve k/b and have it updated every 24 hours or at DT or summat. You could even include wars if it was done right.
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ED 209
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:25:00 -
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sweet a killboard discussion on caod. this will last longer than billy donovan's tenure with the orlando magic
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Splagada on 08/02/2008 02:28:50
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Originally by: Splagada noone who went a bit into eve cares about k/d ratio mate
Buddy we have all seen hydra fight and tbh your a lot like goons cos if you did care about K/D ratios you would either quit the game or hang yourself.
totally agree with the last sentence :D but that number is such wrong in so many ways. a ratter losing a raven to reds he didnt bother to check is a big hit on a k/d ratio. a suicide frig op is a hit too but that aint the same "stats"
anyway a horribly k/d ratio means theres room for improvement somehow, when your losses are stupid losses. that's our case. sadly those hide part of the rest, and i aint sure its bad news. ------
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: HEY LISTEN Was there not a post the other day showing total losses for the top alliances and im sure it showed that goons had taken twice if not 3 times the losses that bob has let alone the whole coalition.
In terms of ISK value or just pure ship numbers?
Cause if I were to actually care about kills and losses in of themselves, I think I'd rather do well in the ISK war than to simply have more ships killed than ships lost. 5 tech 1 frigates lost to take down a battleship (for example) is a pure win for the frigates.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: HEY LISTEN Was there not a post the other day showing total losses for the top alliances and im sure it showed that goons had taken twice if not 3 times the losses that bob has let alone the whole coalition.
In terms of ISK value or just pure ship numbers?
Cause if I were to actually care about kills and losses in of themselves, I think I'd rather do well in the ISK war than to simply have more ships killed than ships lost. 5 tech 1 frigates lost to take down a battleship (for example) is a pure win for the frigates.
I think it was ship losses or maybe both never the less i say it should be on actual ship losses cos if it was on isk instead then the t1 friggie gangs would look uber witch lets face it they aint.
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Illiom
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:33:00 -
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Blah forget the K/D Ratio... BoB is still where they want to be and always said they will be it it came to someone trying to take thier space... And in all this time you all (Alliances and bandwagon jumpers) have tried to do your worse to them and still they fly and remain an alliance!!! Oh and flame if you like but if you see the truth in it just say...True It won't kill you...tho BoB will
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Dog Solitude
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:36:00 -
[30]
Just to clarify, this thread is about goons pvp ability?
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:37:00 -
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Just a clever troll trap that worked :D ------
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Jhyme
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:38:00 -
[32]
nice troll, rated 4/5 stars
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Dog Solitude
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:38:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Splagada Just a clever troll trap that worked :D
Oh thank god for that.
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Mik kyo
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:39:00 -
[34]
still failing i see
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:40:00 -
[35]
Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 08/02/2008 02:39:59
Originally by: Dog Solitude Just to clarify, this thread is about goons pvp ability?
The thread is a page long and actualy exists unlike goons pvp skill so i doubt it.
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:41:00 -
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Tides of Silence |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: rgreat on 08/02/2008 02:52:31
RA Board have points system. Points split equaly among all participants in kill.
While lost points are your lost only.
So usually it like 10 kills = 1 loss in points if you fly in gang.
It is pretty pretty easy and accurate to track efficiency with this system, no matter how many alliances or people involved. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Jason Travers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:53:00 -
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Well I personally havenÆt had a run-in with BoB but I do know their type. IÆve dealt with their kind of corp in other MMOÆs and never did like it. I think it would be funny to see all alliances drop their current wars and band up in an all out assault against them. I mean run threw every bit of space they have destroying everything they have all their stations modules ships everything. I would be willing to bet that if it was to happen even some of the industrial and mining corps would probability pitch in with ships and such to help fund the war effort.
I could just read the headlines BoB gets Blobbed. The once all powerful corporation of EvE causes a galactic rebellion and their demise.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:57:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jason Travers Well I personally havenÆt had a run-in with BoB but I do know their type. IÆve dealt with their kind of corp in other MMOÆs and never did like it. I think it would be funny to see all alliances drop their current wars and band up in an all out assault against them. I mean run threw every bit of space they have destroying everything they have all their stations modules ships everything.
WTF do you think is happening?.
Virtualy every 0.0 alliance in eve is fighting them do you not read the forums at all?.
PS; obviously not cos your corp ticker is off so your gonna get your post deleted.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dog Solitude Just to clarify, this thread is about goons pvp ability?
More like my, not so, stealthy way of highlighting Igne's killer efficiency versus BoB, I think.
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Dog Solitude
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Travers Well I personally haven’t had a run-in with BoB but I do know their type. I’ve dealt with their kind of corp in other MMO’s and never did like it. I think it would be funny to see all alliances drop their current wars and band up in an all out assault against them. I mean run threw every bit of space they have destroying everything they have all their stations modules ships everything. I would be willing to bet that if it was to happen even some of the industrial and mining corps would probability pitch in with ships and such to help fund the war effort.
I could just read the headlines BoB gets Blobbed. The once all powerful corporation of EvE causes a galactic rebellion and their demise.
Oh man, that would be friggin sweet...
Wait...
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mik kyo still failing i see
Hey Mik. Do you still bring a tanked autocannon Claw to duel an Ares?
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titanstory
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:16:00 -
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a lot of bob's loose are not posted btw.
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Keeto
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:19:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jason Travers Well I personally havenÆt had a run-in with BoB but I do know their type. IÆve dealt with their kind of corp in other MMOÆs and never did like it. I think it would be funny to see all alliances drop their current wars and band up in an all out assault against them. I mean run threw every bit of space they have destroying everything they have all their stations modules ships everything. I would be willing to bet that if it was to happen even some of the industrial and mining corps would probability pitch in with ships and such to help fund the war effort.
You mean like, for instance.... GS/RA/TCF/IAC/MM/MC/ev0ke/IRON/RZR/PL/others vs bob?
Yah that would be pretty neat, maybe someday.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.02.08 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal (Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
Aren't those wildly flawed though since all alliances attacking BoB gets full credit for a capital kill, even with just a puny frigate in on it?
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Jason Travers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:07:00 -
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I mean like all alliances currently drop and form one large alliance and all mass up and make a super armada and go threw their systems destroying them in one to two days.
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Dog Solitude
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Travers I mean like all alliances currently drop and form one large alliance and all mass up and make a super armada and go threw their systems destroying them in one to two days.
yeah. Though it would be cool if it was called more of a "coalition" rather than a "large alliance". The word coalition sounds more...morally bound.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:13:00 -
[48]
Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 08/02/2008 04:13:54
Originally by: Jason Travers I mean like all alliances currently drop and form one large alliance and all mass up and make a super armada and go threw their systems destroying them in one to two days.
Do you work for ccp in the "there is no lag" department or are you a total noob?.
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Jason Travers
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:32:00 -
[49]
I forgot about the lag issue. but corridnated attacks. everything cant be protected at once.
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Drone Spammer
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:33:00 -
[50]
^ its machinegun wielding bear cavalry in space ! ^
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Smithers
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.02.08 04:44:00 -
[51]
Who let the goon pubby off his leash? :/
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 05:09:00 -
[52]
Who let the BoB B-team alt off his leash? :/ |
Smithers
Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2008.02.08 05:27:00 -
[53]
I like the S-Team better
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Dangerously Cheesey
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 05:31:00 -
[54]
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Originally by: Jason Travers Well I personally havenÆt had a run-in with BoB but I do know their type. IÆve dealt with their kind of corp in other MMOÆs and never did like it. I think it would be funny to see all alliances drop their current wars and band up in an all out assault against them. I mean run threw every bit of space they have destroying everything they have all their stations modules ships everything.
WTF do you think is happening?.
Virtualy every 0.0 alliance in eve is fighting them do you not read the forums at all?.
PS; obviously not cos your corp ticker is off so your gonna get your post deleted.
This whole "BoB is all alone against the whole of 0.0 and never had any allies hurf blurf" angle is very amusing and I think a pretty solid way to go excuse wise.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 05:52:00 -
[55]
any bob playing the 'poor us we are all ganged up on ;_;' card non-ironically better hope that people have some really short memories
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 06:22:00 -
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K/D ratio is completely irrelevant. Even the dispersion of losses through many alliances as Darko pointed out is not really a factor IMO. What counts is the willingness to sustain losses, which greatly depends on the estimated chance of eventual success.
In the past BoB succeeded to convince many of their enemies that fighting was futile throught their K/D ratio, but I think it is safe to say that the Coalition is rightfully confident that they are pretty much gonna win this.
It might take a lot of time and effort still, but there is nothing blocking their victory that they can't handle. As a result, a bad K/D ratio for the Coalition means nothing in terms of morale anymore. For BoB, I don't know what it does to their morale, but it doesn't really matter either because the forces they face are so large that even with high morale their chances of winning are zero.
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fugazii
Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal rabble
yes, theyre the ones who are constantly bringing up k/d ratio's, coming from the person who created a topic about it.
sure, bob may rarely post on the boards these days. that side note aside its obviously them, the ones who arent posting consistently bringing it up.
one thing is for sure though, it is most certainly not their said enemy's repeatedly bringing up this subject trying to compensate for any short comings.
its ok though. in a game based around pvp, ratios in that said field is definitely not a indicator at pvp ability. kinda like alterac valley, whoever can kill drek or vandaar first is the best at pvp, right? silly cs players. /high five
side note though, do those alliances you got your data from use api keys to automatically record kills and loss's? after all loss's are much easier to forget about than say...kills. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |
Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: fugazii in a game based around pvp, ratios in that said field is definitely not a indicator at pvp ability.
You do realise how ridiculously stupid that sounds, or are you so bad at computer games that you tell that to yourself to make you feel better?
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fugazii
Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Originally by: fugazii in a game based around pvp, ratios in that said field is definitely not a indicator at pvp ability.
You do realise how ridiculously stupid that sounds, or are you so bad at computer games that you tell that to yourself to make you feel better?
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
Gotta agree with TWD, it's what i tried to explain to Legionari (some BoB pets/fanbois) who were bragging about their kills while in fleet with BoB -clp
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:36:00 -
[61]
Just being here to show my sig
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BlckJck
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.02.08 08:51:00 -
[62]
Originally by: bitters much Just being here to show my sig
most constructive post yet
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 09:09:00 -
[63]
To coallition. Keep up the good work, dont let crap about k/d whatever from BuB bother you.
Only thing im worried about is that CCP will do something to help BoBsy from utter defeat. Since CCP has this dev ploy insist that dev shall play with gamers, that incident where a certain gamer cough cough.
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Phyrron
Gallente Burnout Syndrome SECUWAY.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:20:00 -
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a killboard ist only a statistic. every statistics are more or less a mirror of reality. i think statistics are bad mirrors of reality because they underlie a lot of conditions and reduction of these reality before you can draw it. When you read a statistic you cant ignore these conditions and you cant ignore that the elements of reality wich are reduced before can never come back into your conclusion. A statistic about meet consumtion and the conclusion "we all eat 50 steaks/year" ignore the existence of vegetarians and say nothing about them.
a kill/loss ratio dosnt make a difference whether you loose a BS or a frig. And some people like their frigs very much especially Goons. The ISK statistic dosnt make a difference whether you are poor or rich.
When you draw a statistic about statistics you will see that they are very equal. For example: losspostings are more or less evenly distributed in all Allys in EVE like active playing member and memberaccount and so on.
The best way to find out who wins and who lost is to count the wracks on the gate wich you can unhurriedly loot after a fight like yesterday everning in QY6
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:24:00 -
[65]
Originally by: HEY LISTEN Virtualy every 0.0 alliance in eve is fighting them do you not read the forums at all?.
PS; obviously not cos your corp ticker is off so your gonna get your post deleted.
I believe there's something like around 4400 alliances in Eve, pretty sure virtually all of them aren't fighting BoB. Then there's people like me, I want BoB to be destroyed (no offence BoB guys) but due to some masterful puppetry I am actually usually in a war with Goons. Presumably this is to drive goons out of High Sec Empire into the waiting arms of a BoB gang. But this is no doubt all part of the plan Dianabolic set out in his after dinner speech given at the Last Supper.
Anyway, it's not like BoB are alone is it? They have the legendary fighting force known as Executive Outcomes to aid them.
Thunk
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Krystian
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:34:00 -
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Uncle Ruckus, a self hating Brutor from the Planet Boondocks had this to tell me about BoB:
That's it go back. See ya in empire ya sorry Bobbits. The Coalition brought in the whole of EvE to smack you Bobbits away, but go on and hide. You Bobbits aint to good at taking a hint are ya? Go on, save Delve. What they got in Delve worth saving? What Lag? I hate lag, like a long server crash involving a Dev. Hey you seen that alliance Fix? I got a documentary called 'When your pets are going to die again'. Hahahaha. IÆm going to make an alliance and call it 'Bob Failyard'; IÆm going to surrender every time I get a war dec. Hahahaha.
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LvxAeterna
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: LvxAeterna on 08/02/2008 10:34:43 Look, if 10 T1 frigates destroyed a T2 fitted battleship, and 9 of them die in the process to drones/smartbombs, whatever, I'd consider that a win.
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Giant Diablo
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.02.08 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal (Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
Yepp if we count ships.....Goonswarm cant win, if we count isk i dont know. But if you check battleclinic there is a rank system and BOB is nr 2 or 3 something Goons........hmm 100 something and also behind Interdiction. But as an powerfull alliance Interdiction is nothing compare to Goonswarm or BOB.....but kill ratio and isk.....We are better then Goons but i doubt we are better then BOB.
http://interdiction.griefwatch.net/?p=campaigns&campaign=711
And last Goonswrm didn¦t event the blackops tactics
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal (Well ok, I will ignore for a while the fact that the whole idea of chestbeating about your "k/d ratio" is for people who play "Counterstrike in space" which is silly and not what Eve is about. But anyway... )
It seems that BoB lately (perhaps in lack of any other possible in-game achievements to brag about at all) have been endlessly bringing up their vaunted "k/d ratio" to (I guess) somehow attempt to prove that they are better than the alliances that have been fighting them despite their losses to those alliances. So, I thought I should look into this a little further and see if it really is all it is *****ed up to be. Unfortunately, doing so I ran into a problem. While BoB's killboard will show isk efficiency (which really is the only reliable measure here) for individual pilots, it does NOT do so for corps and alliances. It will only show number of ships lost and number of ships killed.
But since BoB aren't the only ones to have killboards we can look at their opponents' killboards (who mostly are the normal killboard style) and get a bit of perpective at BoB's real k/d. Below are the numbers for a few of them. (I thought of using battleclinic as well, however it shows them as having a near 0% ISK efficiency, so I will be nice and charitable and refrain from doing so.) The ones listed below are first the corp I'm in and then those alliances I could think of that are actively involved in fighting BoB and have killboards that show ISK efficiency.
Anyway, BoB's ISK efficiency versus...
Igneus Auctorita: 9.82% (ouch... I'm confused. I was told BoB was better than us....)
IRON: 34.2% Tau Ceti Federation: 44.56% Razor: 47.95% Mostly Harmless: 49.81 Pure : 53.81% Morsus Mihi: 57.12%
I am just going to pretend you don't really understand how killboard efficiency works. When mixed fleets are involved, the smaller entities will always get an excellent efficiency, as they will get on lots of kills while risking very few losses. Using my own "bob pet" alliance as an example, one [EXE] inty pilot riding in a bob gang can get on a huge amount of kills, while only ever risking one small loss. The northern entities you have mentioned often fly in mixed gangs, so as alliances they benefit from this, and your corp, being from such a large alliance, is the same. I think TCF's figures are quite impressive as they often wander about in their own fleets but even so for big fights they will be fighting alongside RA, GS and maybe more. Killboard efficiency is largely irrelevant in the "great war" unless somone made GBC/coallition/tortuga boards and used only the efficiencies for the factions themselves. Ofc as BoB hasn't got many allies left its board would be the most relevent, but it doesn't show efficiency so w/e If you want to look at just efficiency our board shows 95% efficiency vs tortuga, but i don't think that fools anyone
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:53:00 -
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So after reading the last 2 posts, what you're saying Doddy is that Interdiction isn't as good as Giant Diablo thinks it is?
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Cvuos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 13:59:00 -
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killboard online is an ok game as long as you play with friends on private servers, the pubbies are terrible
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7sunami
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: LvxAeterna Edited by: LvxAeterna on 08/02/2008 10:34:43 Look, if 10 T1 frigates destroyed a T2 fitted battleship, and 9 of them die in the process to drones/smartbombs, whatever, I'd consider that a win.
Look at the day to day link on the Bob killboard. It shows the isk kill/lost. Given that its npc prices and not real jita prices. The prices are applied to kill/lost the same way, so its fair, even though prices are wrong. You can look at it as a mimimum isk damage
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Capt Willard
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.08 14:39:00 -
[73]
This all seems like pulling your trousers down in a pub toilet to compare manhood sizes, then spending a couple of hours arguing over whether it should be measured in imperial or metric...
As with the above scenario and the war against BoB, neither measurement matters, it's all about how much fun you've been having with it. The Horror...... |
Pastora
Russian SOBR Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.08 14:41:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Capt Willard This all seems like pulling your trousers down in a pub toilet to compare manhood sizes, then spending a couple of hours arguing over whether it should be measured in imperial or metric...
I say, in metric! 'cause numbers are larger then _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants. |
DRAREG
Star Blood Industry
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Posted - 2008.02.08 14:46:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Cvuos killboard online is an ok game as long as you play with friends on private servers, the pubbies are terrible
agree ,i prefer pos online like u
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 15:13:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Capt Willard This all seems like pulling your trousers down in a pub toilet to compare manhood sizes, then spending a couple of hours arguing over whether it should be measured in imperial or metric...
And the real lesson to take from that would be that bragging about the dimensions of something so irrelevant is kind of stupid and meaningless regardless, right?
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 15:15:00 -
[77]
Originally by: DRAREG
Originally by: Cvuos killboard online is an ok game as long as you play with friends on private servers, the pubbies are terrible
agree ,i prefer pos online like u
It's the game BoB has been playing. Territorial warfare. It's only when they started losing at it that they started claiming otherwise.
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Veng3ance
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.02.08 15:47:00 -
[78]
While I do agree BOB's territorial decisions and defense have been significantly less effective lately; you really can't argue their efficiency K/D wise. Realize, as many have already said; multiple alliances are always fighting their mostly BOB fleets. So as many as 4-5 alliances will get on a single BOB kill, and it will be given credit on every alliances killboard.
Indeed!
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.08 20:21:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: DRAREG
Originally by: Cvuos killboard online is an ok game as long as you play with friends on private servers, the pubbies are terrible
agree ,i prefer pos online like u
It's the game BoB has been playing. Territorial warfare. It's only when they started losing at it that they started claiming otherwise.
Thats not entirly true tbqh they did go on and on about terratory but they always prefered quality over quantity the stats they have for their campaigns have 3 times less losses than goons and they did not have half the help to do it.
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Akov Stohs
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.08 20:40:00 -
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Isk Efficiency Is show on a per day basis, unfortunately not for the per fleet battle basis. I'll note the suggestion to the maintainer though. If you want to see daily isk ratio just go to the bob killboard, click the date, labeled something like "Saturday 02 February 2008". On the summary page is gives k/d in Isk amounts. You can even scroll backwards and forwards through the days by clicking the next and previous days links at the top of that page.
I do how ever recommend looking at last week when fighting was at its peak. Its considerably more impressive in terms of quantities destroyed for both parties. Granted this does not take into account being in fleets with our allies, and there for by default not an entirely accurate picture, but this is probably the best that you are going to get.
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Gloomy Gus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 20:54:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Cvuos killboard online is an ok game as long as you play with friends on private servers, the pubbies are terrible
'sup Weapons Factory buddy
Originally by: JakeNoble well id just like to say kilz is an epic****got plz
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Lief Siddhe
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.02.08 20:56:00 -
[82]
BoB wanted a huge fight with everybody. Everybody wanted a huge fight with BoB. I think that's all that matters, in that perspective nobody lost, all sides "won" a lot of fun time. (I am not an alt, I am a UC carebear that looks at this from simply a gamer's perspective) --- Beneath all of our differences there's a single bond between every living Gallentean that makes us hard as diamond: a love of freedom. |
Moon Kitten
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.08 22:06:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Lief Siddhe all sides "won" a lot of fun time.
Rationalization
to invent plausible explanations for acts, opinions, etc., that are actually based on other causes.
We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning. |
enderzone
Lai Dai Applied Technology
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Posted - 2008.02.09 00:45:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: TWD If there is a gang of 20 people from 20 different alliances and they lose 10 ships and all participated in 2 kills against 1 alliance, its pretty easy to get a pretty good K/D ratio per alliance as they lost 1 ship max and still got in on 2 kills.
In this case the K/D ratio is useless!
However!
If you look at a fight in general and include all the kills and losses of all alliances involved it is useful to see what the result was and the numbers involved.
And with that in mind, if your killboard would show isk efficiency we could get a clearer picture, but it don't...
the majority of kb seem inacurate at best in regards to isk value
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enderzone
Lai Dai Applied Technology
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Posted - 2008.02.09 00:46:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Lief Siddhe BoB wanted a huge fight with everybody. Everybody wanted a huge fight with BoB. I think that's all that matters, in that perspective nobody lost, all sides "won" a lot of fun time. (I am not an alt, I am a UC carebear that looks at this from simply a gamer's perspective)
indeed its true (i think), however goon after goon chestbeat threads seem to be the way to go. victory to the chestbeat!
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Cvuos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.09 18:26:00 -
[86]
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Thats not entirly true tbqh they did go on and on about terratory but they always prefered quality over quantity the stats they have for their campaigns have 3 times less losses than goons and they did not have half the help to do it.
quantity=0 has a quality all of its own tbqh
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.09 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Junkie Beverage on 09/02/2008 20:37:19
Originally by: Giant Diablo
Yepp if we count ships.....Goonswarm cant win, if we count isk i dont know. But if you check battleclinic there is a rank system and BOB is nr 2 or 3 something Goons........hmm 100 something and also behind Interdiction. But as an powerfull alliance Interdiction is nothing compare to Goonswarm or BOB.....but kill ratio and isk.....We are better then Goons but i doubt we are better then BOB.
http://interdiction.griefwatch.net/?p=campaigns&campaign=711
And last Goonswrm didn¦t event the blackops tactics
thanks for the information i just checked battleclinic and marvel at bob's #4 place on the alliance kills list
as it turns out lotka volterra has the #3 position so maybe after bob is dead we could track those guys down and try to get them to teach us a bit about honourable pvp anyone know where i might find these legendary warrior poets
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General StarScream
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:03:00 -
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anyone saying a K/D matters is a Rtard.
Fun time and reaching your goals is what eve is about.
not Laming your way to 1337 stats, sounds like some ***** Cs players trying to make him self all high and mighty for doing his headshots. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: General StarScream anyone saying a K/D matters is a Rtard.
Fun time and reaching your goals is what eve is about.
not Laming your way to 1337 stats, sounds like some ***** Cs players trying to make him self all high and mighty for doing his headshots.
What if one of my goals is to have a good K/D ratio?
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:58:00 -
[90]
Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 10/02/2008 11:58:40
Originally by: General StarScream anyone saying a K/D matters is a Rtard.
Fun time and reaching your goals is what eve is about.
not Laming your way to 1337 stats, sounds like some ***** Cs players trying to make him self all high and mighty for doing his headshots.
What if your goal is to become a skillful pilot and part of a well balanced and skillful team that can out fight 2 or 3 or even more times its number?. A good K/D ratio against more numerical foes is a good reflection of how your skills and team work is progressing. The ******s are those that ignore piloting skills and watch a laggy or frozen screen for hours on end for space they will never use.
Although id be interested in what goals you consider to be worthy of non****** status and what you do to have so much fun doing them.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:01:00 -
[91]
Originally by: TWD What if one of my goals is to have a good K/D ratio?
Then Unreal Tournament would probably be more to your liking and it doesn't need a monthly subscription ^_^
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Icomeinpeace
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:09:00 -
[92]
lol ofc goons dont like k/d ratio, cus tbh they suck.
If this were goons vrs bob it would have ended a long time ago, they have managed to ride along the backs of their brosefs tho heheh.
Im not complaining, and its no lie bob wouldnt want to lose delve, but it wouldnt be the end of us. Although I'm sure all the forum cronies would be the first to spam that all over coad.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:22:00 -
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