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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 04:55:00 -
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Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back. I'm down to structure and I convo him. Pay him 1Mil to leave me alone and he blows me up anyway. He then proceeds to tell me that this is 'our space'. His corp is Grenadiers, and this happened in Lulm.
I put a 7Mil bounty on him.. That's about all I can do really, what recourse do I have? I don't have the skill to fly something that can beat his Jaguar. Are there anti pirate corps out there who might be interested in flushing out these rats? Maybe someone want to make a 7Mil bounty on a Jaguar?
I'm not really happy about it, so I came here to vent a little. Thing is, I used to be a pirate and I would never kill someone who paid ransom. Is that just me?
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:10:00 -
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Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
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tabadabb
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
There's a difference betwen noble and rational. Greedy and stupid. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". If all pilots were isolated, sure blow them up pilot for pilot and the next guy will still pay. But this is teh intarwebs, people communicate. Blow one up and the next guy won't pay. A ransom normally yields more than the loot, and if it doesn't - you fail at ransoming.
I don't care about honor - I care about reputation.
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Joseph Christ
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:18:00 -
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Well it doesn't sound like he ransomed you at all. It sounds like he stopped shooting you because you convo'd him. I dont think he had any interest in your isk...just your death and his Corps' territory.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: tabadabb
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
There's a difference betwen noble and rational. Greedy and stupid. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". If all pilots were isolated, sure blow them up pilot for pilot and the next guy will still pay. But this is teh intarwebs, people communicate. Blow one up and the next guy won't pay. A ransom normally yields more than the loot, and if it doesn't - you fail at ransoming.
I don't care about honor - I care about reputation.
I'm not fed from the hands of carebears, I'm fed by the debris they leave behind. Last person who said "please I'll pay" dropped 900 mil in Centum gear. I don't fail at ransoming, I just don't do it.
I don't care about honor or reputation. I care about having fun.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joseph Christ
Well it doesn't sound like he ransomed you at all. It sounds like he stopped shooting you because you convo'd him. I dont think he had any interest in your isk...just your death and his Corps' territory.
Well we're splitting hairs. I offered money to leave me alone and he agreed. His intentions were not clear until he killed me. He broke the agreement, and I object to that.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:53:00 -
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To be honest sounds like you sent him 1mil isk during a convo and expected him just to leave. 1mil isk won't buy you anything in this game.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:01:00 -
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In any event, I will never again offer money to anyone to leave me alone(which is what I specifically asked him to do). I will probably never pay ransom to anyone who asks. I always fly what I can afford to lose, so why should I bother paying at all?
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:19:00 -
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So down abit and just remeber how everything went. Did you just send him 1mil isk? Did you even tell him money was sent in a noticable time? Really almost all pirates will honor ransoms. Even if you get pod'd look back and try to understand why. EvE is a huge complex game you can't get emo aboot.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 09/02/2008 06:38:56
Nevermind, I found moar reading comprehension.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
LERN 2 REED! I DO NOT RANSOM!
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WhiteSavage
Dark Force Recon
Blood and Steel
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSavage on 09/02/2008 07:04:26
Demitri lol i think it is you that are looking to hollywood for your ideas on piracy. Pirates are trying to make money (not cause random rampant destruction), and if you pirate correctly then you can make MUCH more isk in ransoming then in sifting through destroyed objects. Perfect example: Fay, I, and many others may very well have given u 100m if u locked us down in a 300m ship and demanded payment. But now, knowing you'll kill me either way (Saying for the sake of arguement that you win) I'll self destruct and leave you nothing.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:17:00 -
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With out copy an paste your last sentences is perfect in describing how a legit ransom goes wrong. I've pod'd a few people for these exact reason's, if you want to make this work you need to fast.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:24:00 -
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Actually, historically pirates generally would ransom, but not the ships they took in combat. They'd loot the ships, sink the wreck, and ransom the prisoners (if they were worth anything). The closest EVE analogy would be blowing up your boat, taking your loot, and ransoming your pod.
Regardless, 1 million as a ransom ain't enough to get you very far in EVE, but even then I think this guy wouldn't have left you alone for whatever you gave him. Live and learn.
And for what it's worth, your Thrasher isn't a bad anti-frig tool, that's what it's designed for. Look around on the forums, you can find some Thrasher fits and tactics that will give even AF's a challenge. Next time you can go down fighting instead of just going down.
People claiming territory in lowsec make me laugh though. If you want to 'claim' space, get out your POS's and get to work where it actually means something, kkthxthx.
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Yes. Yes I am.
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Sniggerdly Hater
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery.
Noun
* S: (n) pirate, buccaneer, sea robber, sea rover (someone who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without having a commission from any sovereign nation)
* S: (n) pirate, pirate ship (a ship that is manned by pirates)
You, sir, FAIL.
Quote:
I'm a pirate.
More like a young whippersnapper.
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Sniggerdly Hater
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
I put a 7Mil bounty on him.. That's about all I can do really, what recourse do I have?
Don't put bounties. He'll either use it for posing or get an alt to blow his pod and get the ransom. So you probably just gave him 7M.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:39:00 -
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Still it made me feel a little better. I've never placed a bounty on someone, didn't realize that it was useless. Something for ccp to fix I guess.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
LERN 2 REED! I DO NOT RANSOM!
Hypothetical response to your hypothetical situation
HONOR YOUR MOTHER******* RANSOMS SPACE PIRATES
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Culmen
Caldari
HeartVenom Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back. I'm down to structure and I convo him. Pay him 1Mil to leave me alone and he blows me up anyway. He then proceeds to tell me that this is 'our space'. His corp is Grenadiers, and this happened in Lulm.
One, that isnt a ransom
He didnt request isk, you just shoved it into his face
Two, he might not even be a pirate
his corp might just have the opinion that the space was theirs
hence he was more of a security patrol
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Stuart Price on 09/02/2008 08:44:57
Always honour my ransoms, giving strict instructions as to how it plays out.
Payment gives the customer 15 minutes to get out of dodge during which time they will not be engaged by any other member of the alliance. Once that 15 mins is up, they're a target again.
This allows us to do awesome stuff, like ransom the same dread pilot THREE TIMES when it became obvious we'd popped his cyno alt and he had no way of leaving the system!
First time we dropped on him and his alt (in an Arazu of all things...) with a covops , an Eagle and two other cruisers. Popped the Arazu, engaged the Phoenix for a laugh. Citadel torps do jack to a moving HAC so we were just wasting time. He proceeds to offer us 300 mill to go away. Terms explained, we take the free isk (like we'd have killed him in what we had!) and run off to get battleships and MOAR PEOPLES.
15 minutes expire, he hasn't logged or jumped so out goes the probe and we bust his safe. This time he's pretty screwed and we slowly melt through his shields. His tank was phenomenal but we were slowly chipping away armour between shield reps so he pays out another bill (which he assured us he had to borrow).
Then he STILL doesn't leave. This last time he logs as we arrive to try again. He vanishes at about 40% structure (logouts mean instant engagement if we can) and we are sad pandas. Much richer sad pandas though.
If he'd wanted to leave, he could have during the grace period. He did not so we kept engaging. The actual terms of the ransom were adhered to strictly - the FC wouldn't even let anyone lock the target and used a stopwatch to time it :p
And that was the best christmas ever (it really was last thing christmas day).
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Coasterbrian
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:48:00 -
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Feilamya
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Posted - 2008.02.09 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry KalashnikovI'm not fed from the hands of carebears, I'm fed by the debris they leave behind.[/quote
Translation from roleplay into English: He is fed by his level 4 agent. Or is it Veldspar?
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.02.09 10:09:00 -
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pirates who ransom then kill are dishonourable lowlifes tbh.
if your going to kill someone just get on with it.
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.09 10:55:00 -
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Just out of curiosity and to make things clear;
Did he agree to not killing you if you paid him, or did you send him cash and then said "please don't kill me".
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
Pray tell why every other pirate should be the slightest bit concerned with your profit margins?
You play your way, everyone else will do likewise.
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Tatsue Niko
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:33:00 -
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A honorable pirate would never accept the ransom ISK and then pod anyway.
I know not all pirates do it and its their decision imo, I guess its an RP thing.
I often try to ransom people but mostly I'm in too much of a hurry.
As a rule of thumb, I'd only pay ransom if its a known pirate corp, would I be the victim.
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
im an idiot
go join racketeers then, birds of a feather and all that
Originally by: Admiral Love
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Falka Lakadaka
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:36:00 -
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You know that 7m bounty you put on the pirate. One of 2 things probably happened:
1. The pirate has a second account and used his alt to kill himself, thereby taking the money for himself.
OR
2. The pirate got his mate to kill him, sharing the 7m.
Although for 7m ISK, it might not be worth it. Many pirates wear the bounty symbol as a badge of honour.
Total profit minimium of 3.5m ISK minus the cost of a clone upgrade.
Cheers
Falka
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The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such.
Because some of us are just that and enjoy playing the honorable side of piracy. Also you make more isk in the end honoring your ransoms. If you want kills fine I accept your stand point, if you want isk its stupid.
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