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Poreuomai Minmatar Naval Protection Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Fay Fatale Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back. I'm down to structure and I convo him. Pay him 1Mil to leave me alone and he blows me up anyway. He then proceeds to tell me that this is 'our space'. His corp is Grenadiers, and this happened in Lulm. I put a 7Mil bounty on him.. That's about all I can do really, what recourse do I have? I don't have the skill to fly something that can beat his Jaguar. Are there anti pirate corps out there who might be interested in flushing out these rats? Maybe someone want to make a 7Mil bounty on a Jaguar? I'm not really happy about it, so I came here to vent a little. Thing is, I used to be a pirate and I would never kill someone who paid ransom. Is that just me? I'm getting serious dejavou, haven't we had almost exactly the same thread recently?
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Squirrrel Pray tell why every other pirate should be the slightest bit concerned with your profit margins? You play your way, everyone else will do likewise. Because a player who sees his ransom dishonoured isn't likely to pay another ransom, even to other pirates, so that hurts us as well. So yes, we do care when other pirates don't honour their ransoms.
Considered Caldari Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:57:00 - [33] If Pirating corps want to keep receiving ransoms, they need to honour them. If PlayerA pays them 20 mill, and they then still kill him to receive another 20 million in loot, they've made 50 million, but word gets out they don't honour ransoms, so no one is gonna trust them with money. If they took a 20 mill loss and let him go, while retaining his 30 mill ransom, they come across PlayerB, who is happy to pay to be let go.
Karentaki Gallente Combat-Evolved	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:59:00 - [34] BWAHAHAHAHA Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the OP this is what I understand happened: You went to a lowsec complex in hostile space to kill rats Somebody from the local alliance/corp that controls that space attacks you You donate 1 mill to him thinking that counts as paying a ransom (despite one not being offered) He takes it as a gift and blows you up anyway You whine on the forums about this 'pirate' not honouring a 'ransom' In actual fact he wasn't pirating you - he was defending his space, and he didn't offer you a ransom, so you shouldn't have paid him and expected him to leave Also, as others have said, 1 mill is nothing - Killmails are usually worth at least 10 times that much to a pirate. ====== Proud pilot of the 'Drainpipe of Doom'
PaRaZiTuRL Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.09 14:51:00 - [35] Originally by: Fay Fatale I offered money to leave me alone and he agreed. Read what the guy says people.And Another thing, people stating that the guy was just protecting his system.Well i sure want to meet the corp who protects it's low sec system with frigs.Either than that he has a -2.0 sec status. And Fay.The guy ain't a pirate.He stopped being that when he blew you away and took the money. P.S. And to the guy yelling "I DON'T RANSOM !!", YOU ARE NOT A PIRATE ! Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes :(( come on, it was about bunnies and lasers :D.Eve lazers.Will change
Requiescat True Foundation R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:14:00 - [36] Black Fleet have always had a reputation for being poor sports as far as ransoming goes. I blame the schools. Name 'n shame helps the whole community out, there ought to be a thread full of these instead of a ton of individual posts full of flaming by smacktards who don't know how to play. That means you, Black Fleet.
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:38:00 - [37] Edited by: Dimitry Kalashnikov on 09/02/2008 15:38:47 Originally by: Wind Ictiva Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov im an idiot I'm a reetard Just to be fair... ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Requiescat Black Fleet have always had a reputation for being poor sports as far as ransoming goes. I blame the schools. Name 'n shame helps the whole community out, there ought to be a thread full of these instead of a ton of individual posts full of flaming by smacktards who don't know how to play. That means you, Black Fleet. Truthfully, Black Fleet has honored every ransom it ever propsed. Personally I'm not a fan of ransoming, but what attracted me to Black Fleet is that every player is allowed to play as he or she see fits. Luckily for the rest of you, only 1 member of Black Fleet will ransom (on the rare occasion) and he always honors those ransoms. Unless you mean something different by saying "poor sports". I dunno. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:43:00 - [39] Originally by: PaRaZiTuRL Originally by: Fay Fatale I offered money to leave me alone and he agreed. P.S. And to the guy yelling "I DON'T RANSOM !!", YOU ARE NOT A PIRATE ! So do you think pillager would suit me more? I kinda like that one... ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Kessiaan	Posted - 2008.02.09 16:35:00 - [40] Congratulations. You've learned why you should never, ever pay ransoms to pirates other than those in a few, more honorable, and well-known corps. ----- My in Eve Profile My BattleClinic Page
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:08:00 - [41] Originally by: PhantomVyper Originally by: Squirrrel Pray tell why every other pirate should be the slightest bit concerned with your profit margins? You play your way, everyone else will do likewise. Because a player who sees his ransom dishonoured isn't likely to pay another ransom, even to other pirates, so that hurts us as well. So yes, we do care when other pirates don't honour their ransoms. The clue is in my wording. "Every other pirate." - You, your corp, your friends etc are still not EVERY other pirate. You care, and its logical why you do. My point is, not everyone does, it depends on your motivation and playstyle. Don't be crying about profit margins just because you feel like being honourable and someone classed in the same line as work as you doesn't. That's just pathetic, and no one has to adhere to it.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Fay Fatale Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back... I suggest you fight back next time! You don't exactly have water pistols strapped to your ship. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Edited by: Dimitry Kalashnikov on 09/02/2008 15:38:47 Originally by: Wind Ictiva Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov im an idiot I'm a reetard Just to be fair... **** is spelled **** just to be fair. . .
Durzel Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.09 18:27:00 - [44] This story doesn't add up. 1) 1 million ISK ransom isn't worth not blowing you up for, unless you are a 3-day old character or something 2) Offering 1 million ISK and then literally throwing away a further 7 million on a bounty (a broken pointless system). Maybe you actually would've been left alone if you'd given the guy 8 million to begin with. Then again, maybe not.
Moar'ghan	Posted - 2008.02.09 18:40:00 - [45] You really want to get back at them? Start a thread with a catchy title and reveal to everyone that the static 2/10 plex in Olfiem (their home) drops small Gistii items about 50% of the time. Respawns about every 2 hours, too. Who cares about a 7 mil bounty when you can beat them to the plex and keep 100 mil per day out of their wallets? And if you're going to attack the jag, FYI it fits a mixed active/passive shield tank, MSE ii + Gistii b-type small shield booster (found in the plex of course :))
Darius Brinn	Posted - 2008.02.09 21:25:00 - [46] Quote: REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery How very wrong. Real pirates are money grubbing asses that put ISK before anything else. If they want to receive ransoms, they at least need to encourage the feeling that it's worth it. Things like these guarantee that you won't be seeing any more ransoms ever from this guy. Or me, if it happens to me.
Fay Fatale	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Tzar'rim Just out of curiosity and to make things clear; Did he agree to not killing you if you paid him, or did you send him cash and then said "please don't kill me". He agreed not to kill me. I did not send the cash until after he agreed. He stopped shooting when I convoed him, and listened to my proposition. After the transfer, he killed me. I got away in my pod. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. I didn't simply give him money. And for those of you who think 1 Mil is nothing(I realize that) I think it's a fair price for a thrasher. The money isn't really important, it's the idea that counts.
Mr Twinkie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:02:00 - [48] Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Because some of us are just that and enjoy playing the honorable side of piracy. Also you make more isk in the end honoring your ransoms. If you want kills fine I accept your stand point, if you want isk its stupid. We honor ransoms.. Simple And to the op... u said u just threw 1 mil at him. Not how it works, he asks for a payment u don't set the rules... ----------------- The Bastards.. Come Visit
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.10 00:33:00 - [49] Well in my opinion, the higher your bounty is, the more of a newbish pirate you are. Why? Well because the only people dumb enough to put bounties on anyone are newbs. The higher your bounty, the more it means your a newbie killer and even more likely; a gatecamper. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Fox Ogmo Black Podding	Posted - 2008.02.10 04:10:00 - [50] Just want to make you guys aware that it's impossible for a player to exploit the bounty system with an alt cos you only recieve for the killing, the value of what you destroyed that the player with a bounty is flying, so if the player wants to collect his own 7 mil bounty he has to blow up at least 7 mil of his own ship/mods in the kill. Any less, and the bounty is not fully paid out. This was introduced ages ago to stop people collecting their own bounties. Fox
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.02.10 05:14:00 - [51] Pirates who don't honor ransoms aren't pirates in the slightest. The primary motive of a pirate is always profit. If you don't honor the ransoms, you're grooming a pilot never to pay again, and when word hits the forums, suddenly you're going to find your corporation starved for targets trusting enough to pay you. You lot are a disgrace to the very profession you fancy yourselves a member of, and sabotage the efforts of all of us, your corporation included. OP, best thing you can do short of hiring mercenaries is contact the CEO and alert them to the member's failure to uphold a ransom. No telling how that might go, you might get an apology + ransom back and the guy reprimanded/kicked, you might get laughed at, or anywhere in between. Failing that, get the word out that they don't honor ransoms, as you've already done and you'll be making it that much harder on them in the future.
Minsuki	Posted - 2008.02.10 05:19:00 - [52] Edited by: Minsuki on 10/02/2008 05:20:04 Edited by: Minsuki on 10/02/2008 05:19:38 Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov I'm not fed from the hands of carebears, I'm fed by the debris they leave behind. Translation from roleplay into English: He is fed by his level 4 agent. Or is it Veldspar? Y'know, I was thinking the exact same thing. Killing a thrasher in a Jag isn't exactly a very impressive km. And, by the way, offering a ransom to the pirate usually doubles it, at the very least.
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.10 11:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Fox Ogmo Just want to make you guys aware that it's impossible for a player to exploit the bounty system with an alt cos you only recieve for the killing, the value of what you destroyed that the player with a bounty is flying, so if the player wants to collect his own 7 mil bounty he has to blow up at least 7 mil of his own ship/mods in the kill. Any less, and the bounty is not fully paid out. This was introduced ages ago to stop people collecting their own bounties. Fox You know that the bounty comes from the Pod and not the ship right? Even if what you said were the case, a pirate would just take an empty-fit ship out, fully insured and could recoup the bounty easily.
Tigrances	Posted - 2008.02.10 13:33:00 - [54] Im flattered, seriously. I never thought so many people cared..... Now, i know theres a supposed "rule of conduct" for ransoming, but at what point do you think i care? I'm not apart of any alliance, so i have no one to answer too... Yes, i was convo'd and yes he offered to pay, now only a stupid pirate would say "no" to any kind of payment. i guess i should have asked for more and i might not have done it, but quite frankly i didnt really care what he paid. This wasnt the first time Fay was nailed by me, in fact, the third. So thankyou for the 1mil, which quite frankly had absolutely no ISK value what-so-ever to me, though i must say I've never laughed so hard after popping someone . Would i do it again if the same event occured? Absolutely!
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.10 14:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Tigrances Now, i know theres a supposed "rule of conduct" for ransoming, but at what point do you think i care? I'm not apart of any alliance, so i have no one to answer too... Exactly, there are different camps under the pirate camp, and to see some pirates complaining about those not showing honor eating into profit margins is laughable and more akin to carebear mentality than that of piracy.
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.02.10 14:54:00 - [56] Ah i have to say you take a risk when trusting a pirate i wouldnt not pay a bounty next time as a result as all pirates are different. Personally if i ever killed my prey accidently or inentionally after he paid ransom i would return ransom to him. It makes sense to do this since if you get a name for ransoming then killing anyway nobody would pay you. Admitally 1 mil probs wasnt nothing to him anyway but then again nor was your loot. Dont bother putting bountys on him itl just make his e-peen bigger. I would really like to see a game mechanic to allow ransoming in a safe manner where the ship would be insured against your gang for say 10 minutes so that if you killed him or agroed him then the ransom would auto be repaid.
Fourty Niner	Posted - 2008.02.10 16:25:00 - [57] Edited by: Fourty Niner on 10/02/2008 16:24:48 TO the times Ive been in Low sec and a Pirates pops me. Well hes a pirate so he poped me, I dont think Id even change his standing. To the times Ive been in Low sec, Been ransomed and NOT paid, Well hes a pirate, so he poped me, i dont think Id even change his standing To the times Ive been in Low sec, been ransomed AND paid, and then been let go. ahh well, hes a nice pirate, But I dont thing Id change his standing. (I LIKE them ;- Im still not setting them Blue thou) To the times Ive been in Low sec, Been ransomed AND paid, and STILL been poped, well those names go on my "people Im going to go out of my way to hasstle" note. It may never make a differance to them, and they might never find out. However, I jump into a system and they are sitting in a fight on the gate, instead of taking advantage of the fight to flee, I might just attack them. The "gang" is bored with PvE, so we all gank up and go hunt someone, "Oh, I just happen to have this list here". I suddenly find myself in a BIG allaince who quite francly want a war target, I produce my list and low and behold several other ppl have been poped after ransom. Yes I am posting with an Alt, cos frankly, I can do without getting a WAR dec just because someone takes offence at a forum post
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.10 17:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience. Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate. I'm a pirate. That said, I'm a pirate with a continously increasing budget from piracy itself, so I believe I'm a successful pirate and know what I'm talking about. When people ask me 'should I pay ransoms' I say, well, yeah, except to random people are people in ****ty corps, like RAK and, obviously, The Black Fleet. On the other hand, you can quite certainly pay a ransom to Veto or a bunch of other pirate corps and you expect it to be honoured. The thing about ransoms is that, well, it takes only a few incidents from a member for people to avoid paying ransoms to your entire corporation, and the reputation sticks. If you really are a pirate (and not someone who has a high-sec mission running alt to fund him), that you understand that ransoms can be way more profitable then just kills. What do you get out of a podkill? Nothing at all. Pod ransoms can be a nice bit of ISK for virtually no extra work at all. My old corp used to charge people 55-60M/month for having POS-es in our home system and resupply them, and people paid because they knew we were going to honour it. Reducing the profit from ransoms to only newbies who don't know better is not being a 'real pirate', it's being a 'stupid pirate'. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.02.10 17:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Fox Ogmo Just want to make you guys aware that it's impossible for a player to exploit the bounty system with an alt cos you only recieve for the killing, the value of what you destroyed that the player with a bounty is flying, so if the player wants to collect his own 7 mil bounty he has to blow up at least 7 mil of his own ship/mods in the kill. Any less, and the bounty is not fully paid out. This was introduced ages ago to stop people collecting their own bounties. Fox wtf are you talking about? that was an idea someone suggested (well, several someones, several times), it's not at all implemented to the game. the highest damage dealer on a pod kill gets the bounty. griefmatic - wolf & stabber piracy
Ceirwan S Racketeers	Posted - 2008.02.12 13:53:00 - [60] We haven't run out of people stupid enough to pay ransoms yet! :) Most ingame players don't even read the forums except for reference now and again.

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