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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 04:55:00 -
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Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back. I'm down to structure and I convo him. Pay him 1Mil to leave me alone and he blows me up anyway. He then proceeds to tell me that this is 'our space'. His corp is Grenadiers, and this happened in Lulm.
I put a 7Mil bounty on him.. That's about all I can do really, what recourse do I have? I don't have the skill to fly something that can beat his Jaguar. Are there anti pirate corps out there who might be interested in flushing out these rats? Maybe someone want to make a 7Mil bounty on a Jaguar?
I'm not really happy about it, so I came here to vent a little. Thing is, I used to be a pirate and I would never kill someone who paid ransom. Is that just me?
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:10:00 -
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Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
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tabadabb
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
There's a difference betwen noble and rational. Greedy and stupid. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". If all pilots were isolated, sure blow them up pilot for pilot and the next guy will still pay. But this is teh intarwebs, people communicate. Blow one up and the next guy won't pay. A ransom normally yields more than the loot, and if it doesn't - you fail at ransoming.
I don't care about honor - I care about reputation.
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Joseph Christ
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:18:00 -
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Well it doesn't sound like he ransomed you at all. It sounds like he stopped shooting you because you convo'd him. I dont think he had any interest in your isk...just your death and his Corps' territory.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: tabadabb
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
There's a difference betwen noble and rational. Greedy and stupid. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". If all pilots were isolated, sure blow them up pilot for pilot and the next guy will still pay. But this is teh intarwebs, people communicate. Blow one up and the next guy won't pay. A ransom normally yields more than the loot, and if it doesn't - you fail at ransoming.
I don't care about honor - I care about reputation.
I'm not fed from the hands of carebears, I'm fed by the debris they leave behind. Last person who said "please I'll pay" dropped 900 mil in Centum gear. I don't fail at ransoming, I just don't do it.
I don't care about honor or reputation. I care about having fun.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Joseph Christ
Well it doesn't sound like he ransomed you at all. It sounds like he stopped shooting you because you convo'd him. I dont think he had any interest in your isk...just your death and his Corps' territory.
Well we're splitting hairs. I offered money to leave me alone and he agreed. His intentions were not clear until he killed me. He broke the agreement, and I object to that.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.09 05:53:00 -
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To be honest sounds like you sent him 1mil isk during a convo and expected him just to leave. 1mil isk won't buy you anything in this game.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:01:00 -
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In any event, I will never again offer money to anyone to leave me alone(which is what I specifically asked him to do). I will probably never pay ransom to anyone who asks. I always fly what I can afford to lose, so why should I bother paying at all?
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:19:00 -
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So down abit and just remeber how everything went. Did you just send him 1mil isk? Did you even tell him money was sent in a noticable time? Really almost all pirates will honor ransoms. Even if you get pod'd look back and try to understand why. EvE is a huge complex game you can't get emo aboot.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 09/02/2008 06:38:56
Nevermind, I found moar reading comprehension.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
LERN 2 REED! I DO NOT RANSOM!
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WhiteSavage
Dark Force Recon
Blood and Steel
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: WhiteSavage on 09/02/2008 07:04:26
Demitri lol i think it is you that are looking to hollywood for your ideas on piracy. Pirates are trying to make money (not cause random rampant destruction), and if you pirate correctly then you can make MUCH more isk in ransoming then in sifting through destroyed objects. Perfect example: Fay, I, and many others may very well have given u 100m if u locked us down in a 300m ship and demanded payment. But now, knowing you'll kill me either way (Saying for the sake of arguement that you win) I'll self destruct and leave you nothing.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:17:00 -
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With out copy an paste your last sentences is perfect in describing how a legit ransom goes wrong. I've pod'd a few people for these exact reason's, if you want to make this work you need to fast.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:24:00 -
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Actually, historically pirates generally would ransom, but not the ships they took in combat. They'd loot the ships, sink the wreck, and ransom the prisoners (if they were worth anything). The closest EVE analogy would be blowing up your boat, taking your loot, and ransoming your pod.
Regardless, 1 million as a ransom ain't enough to get you very far in EVE, but even then I think this guy wouldn't have left you alone for whatever you gave him. Live and learn.
And for what it's worth, your Thrasher isn't a bad anti-frig tool, that's what it's designed for. Look around on the forums, you can find some Thrasher fits and tactics that will give even AF's a challenge. Next time you can go down fighting instead of just going down.
People claiming territory in lowsec make me laugh though. If you want to 'claim' space, get out your POS's and get to work where it actually means something, kkthxthx.
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Sniggerdly Hater
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery.
Noun
* S: (n) pirate, buccaneer, sea robber, sea rover (someone who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without having a commission from any sovereign nation)
* S: (n) pirate, pirate ship (a ship that is manned by pirates)
You, sir, FAIL.
Quote:
I'm a pirate.
More like a young whippersnapper.
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Sniggerdly Hater
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
I put a 7Mil bounty on him.. That's about all I can do really, what recourse do I have?
Don't put bounties. He'll either use it for posing or get an alt to blow his pod and get the ransom. So you probably just gave him 7M.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 07:39:00 -
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Still it made me feel a little better. I've never placed a bounty on someone, didn't realize that it was useless. Something for ccp to fix I guess.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
LERN 2 REED! I DO NOT RANSOM!
Hypothetical response to your hypothetical situation
HONOR YOUR MOTHER******* RANSOMS SPACE PIRATES
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Culmen
Caldari
HeartVenom Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back. I'm down to structure and I convo him. Pay him 1Mil to leave me alone and he blows me up anyway. He then proceeds to tell me that this is 'our space'. His corp is Grenadiers, and this happened in Lulm.
One, that isnt a ransom
He didnt request isk, you just shoved it into his face
Two, he might not even be a pirate
his corp might just have the opinion that the space was theirs
hence he was more of a security patrol
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Stuart Price on 09/02/2008 08:44:57
Always honour my ransoms, giving strict instructions as to how it plays out.
Payment gives the customer 15 minutes to get out of dodge during which time they will not be engaged by any other member of the alliance. Once that 15 mins is up, they're a target again.
This allows us to do awesome stuff, like ransom the same dread pilot THREE TIMES when it became obvious we'd popped his cyno alt and he had no way of leaving the system!
First time we dropped on him and his alt (in an Arazu of all things...) with a covops , an Eagle and two other cruisers. Popped the Arazu, engaged the Phoenix for a laugh. Citadel torps do jack to a moving HAC so we were just wasting time. He proceeds to offer us 300 mill to go away. Terms explained, we take the free isk (like we'd have killed him in what we had!) and run off to get battleships and MOAR PEOPLES.
15 minutes expire, he hasn't logged or jumped so out goes the probe and we bust his safe. This time he's pretty screwed and we slowly melt through his shields. His tank was phenomenal but we were slowly chipping away armour between shield reps so he pays out another bill (which he assured us he had to borrow).
Then he STILL doesn't leave. This last time he logs as we arrive to try again. He vanishes at about 40% structure (logouts mean instant engagement if we can) and we are sad pandas. Much richer sad pandas though.
If he'd wanted to leave, he could have during the grace period. He did not so we kept engaging. The actual terms of the ransom were adhered to strictly - the FC wouldn't even let anyone lock the target and used a stopwatch to time it :p
And that was the best christmas ever (it really was last thing christmas day).
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Coasterbrian
Grenadiers
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Posted - 2008.02.09 08:48:00 -
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Feilamya
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Posted - 2008.02.09 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry KalashnikovI'm not fed from the hands of carebears, I'm fed by the debris they leave behind.[/quote
Translation from roleplay into English: He is fed by his level 4 agent. Or is it Veldspar?
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.02.09 10:09:00 -
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pirates who ransom then kill are dishonourable lowlifes tbh.
if your going to kill someone just get on with it.
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.09 10:55:00 -
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Just out of curiosity and to make things clear;
Did he agree to not killing you if you paid him, or did you send him cash and then said "please don't kill me".
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a piratefaggot.
Quit hurting my profit margin honor your ******* ransoms
Pray tell why every other pirate should be the slightest bit concerned with your profit margins?
You play your way, everyone else will do likewise.
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Tatsue Niko
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:33:00 -
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A honorable pirate would never accept the ransom ISK and then pod anyway.
I know not all pirates do it and its their decision imo, I guess its an RP thing.
I often try to ransom people but mostly I'm in too much of a hurry.
As a rule of thumb, I'd only pay ransom if its a known pirate corp, would I be the victim.
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
im an idiot
go join racketeers then, birds of a feather and all that
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Falka Lakadaka
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:36:00 -
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You know that 7m bounty you put on the pirate. One of 2 things probably happened:
1. The pirate has a second account and used his alt to kill himself, thereby taking the money for himself.
OR
2. The pirate got his mate to kill him, sharing the 7m.
Although for 7m ISK, it might not be worth it. Many pirates wear the bounty symbol as a badge of honour.
Total profit minimium of 3.5m ISK minus the cost of a clone upgrade.
Cheers
Falka
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such.
Because some of us are just that and enjoy playing the honorable side of piracy. Also you make more isk in the end honoring your ransoms. If you want kills fine I accept your stand point, if you want isk its stupid.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Naval Protection Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.02.09 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back. I'm down to structure and I convo him. Pay him 1Mil to leave me alone and he blows me up anyway. He then proceeds to tell me that this is 'our space'. His corp is Grenadiers, and this happened in Lulm.
I put a 7Mil bounty on him.. That's about all I can do really, what recourse do I have? I don't have the skill to fly something that can beat his Jaguar. Are there anti pirate corps out there who might be interested in flushing out these rats? Maybe someone want to make a 7Mil bounty on a Jaguar?
I'm not really happy about it, so I came here to vent a little. Thing is, I used to be a pirate and I would never kill someone who paid ransom. Is that just me?
I'm getting serious dejavou, haven't we had almost exactly the same thread recently?
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PhantomVyper
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.09 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Squirrrel
Pray tell why every other pirate should be the slightest bit concerned with your profit margins?
You play your way, everyone else will do likewise.
Because a player who sees his ransom dishonoured isn't likely to pay another ransom, even to other pirates, so that hurts us as well. So yes, we do care when other pirates don't honour their ransoms.
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:57:00 -
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If Pirating corps want to keep receiving ransoms, they need to honour them. If PlayerA pays them 20 mill, and they then still kill him to receive another 20 million in loot, they've made 50 million, but word gets out they don't honour ransoms, so no one is gonna trust them with money.
If they took a 20 mill loss and let him go, while retaining his 30 mill ransom, they come across PlayerB, who is happy to pay to be let go.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Combat-Evolved
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:59:00 -
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BWAHAHAHAHA
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the OP this is what I understand happened:
You went to a lowsec complex in hostile space to kill rats
Somebody from the local alliance/corp that controls that space attacks you
You donate 1 mill to him thinking that counts as paying a ransom (despite one not being offered)
He takes it as a gift and blows you up anyway
You whine on the forums about this 'pirate' not honouring a 'ransom'
In actual fact he wasn't pirating you - he was defending his space, and he didn't offer you a ransom, so you shouldn't have paid him and expected him to leave
Also, as others have said, 1 mill is nothing - Killmails are usually worth at least 10 times that much to a pirate.
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PaRaZiTuRL
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.09 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
I offered money to leave me alone and he agreed.
Read what the guy says people.And Another thing, people stating that the guy was just protecting his system.Well i sure want to meet the corp who protects it's low sec system with frigs.Either than that he has a -2.0 sec status.
And Fay.The guy ain't a pirate.He stopped being that when he blew you away and took the money.
P.S. And to the guy yelling "I DON'T RANSOM !!", YOU ARE NOT A PIRATE !
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Requiescat
True Foundation
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.09 15:14:00 -
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Black Fleet have always had a reputation for being poor sports as far as ransoming goes. I blame the schools.
Name 'n shame helps the whole community out, there ought to be a thread full of these instead of a ton of individual posts full of flaming by smacktards who don't know how to play. That means you, Black Fleet.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitry Kalashnikov on 09/02/2008 15:38:47
Originally by: Wind Ictiva
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
im an idiot
I'm a reetard
Just to be fair...
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 15:42:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Requiescat
Black Fleet have always had a reputation for being poor sports as far as ransoming goes. I blame the schools.
Name 'n shame helps the whole community out, there ought to be a thread full of these instead of a ton of individual posts full of flaming by smacktards who don't know how to play. That means you, Black Fleet.
Truthfully, Black Fleet has honored every ransom it ever propsed. Personally I'm not a fan of ransoming, but what attracted me to Black Fleet is that every player is allowed to play as he or she see fits. Luckily for the rest of you, only 1 member of Black Fleet will ransom (on the rare occasion) and he always honors those ransoms. Unless you mean something different by saying "poor sports". I dunno.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: PaRaZiTuRL
Originally by: Fay Fatale
I offered money to leave me alone and he agreed.
P.S. And to the guy yelling "I DON'T RANSOM !!", YOU ARE NOT A PIRATE !
So do you think pillager would suit me more? I kinda like that one...
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2008.02.09 16:35:00 -
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Congratulations. You've learned why you should never, ever pay ransoms to pirates other than those in a few, more honorable, and well-known corps.
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:08:00 -
[41]
Originally by: PhantomVyper
Originally by: Squirrrel
Pray tell why every other pirate should be the slightest bit concerned with your profit margins?
You play your way, everyone else will do likewise.
Because a player who sees his ransom dishonoured isn't likely to pay another ransom, even to other pirates, so that hurts us as well. So yes, we do care when other pirates don't honour their ransoms.
The clue is in my wording. "Every other pirate." - You, your corp, your friends etc are still not EVERY other pirate.
You care, and its logical why you do. My point is, not everyone does, it depends on your motivation and playstyle.
Don't be crying about profit margins just because you feel like being honourable and someone classed in the same line as work as you doesn't. That's just pathetic, and no one has to adhere to it.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Fay Fatale
Guy named Tigrances jumps me while I was doing a lowsec complex. He was in a Jaguar, me in my Thrahser. I don't fight back...
I suggest you fight back next time! You don't exactly have water pistols strapped to your ship.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:27:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Edited by: Dimitry Kalashnikov on 09/02/2008 15:38:47
Originally by: Wind Ictiva
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
im an idiot
I'm a reetard
Just to be fair...
****** is spelled ******
just to be fair. . .
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.09 18:27:00 -
[44]
This story doesn't add up.
1) 1 million ISK ransom isn't worth *not* blowing you up for, unless you are a 3-day old character or something
2) Offering 1 million ISK and then literally throwing away a further 7 million on a bounty (a broken pointless system). Maybe you actually would've been left alone if you'd given the guy 8 million to begin with. Then again, maybe not.
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Moar'ghan
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Posted - 2008.02.09 18:40:00 -
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You really want to get back at them? Start a thread with a catchy title and reveal to everyone that the static 2/10 plex in Olfiem (their home) drops small Gistii items about 50% of the time. Respawns about every 2 hours, too. Who cares about a 7 mil bounty when you can beat them to the plex and keep 100 mil per day out of their wallets?
And if you're going to attack the jag, FYI it fits a mixed active/passive shield tank, MSE ii + Gistii b-type small shield booster (found in the plex of course :))
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Posted - 2008.02.09 21:25:00 -
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Quote:
REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery
How very wrong. Real pirates are money grubbing asses that put ISK before anything else. If they want to receive ransoms, they at least need to encourage the feeling that it's worth it. Things like these guarantee that you won't be seeing any more ransoms ever from this guy. Or me, if it happens to me.
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Fay Fatale
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Posted - 2008.02.09 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
Just out of curiosity and to make things clear;
Did he agree to not killing you if you paid him, or did you send him cash and then said "please don't kill me".
He agreed not to kill me. I did not send the cash until after he agreed. He stopped shooting when I convoed him, and listened to my proposition. After the transfer, he killed me. I got away in my pod. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. I didn't simply give him money.
And for those of you who think 1 Mil is nothing(I realize that) I think it's a fair price for a thrasher. The money isn't really important, it's the idea that counts.
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Mr Twinkie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.09 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: General Coochie
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such.
Because some of us are just that and enjoy playing the honorable side of piracy. Also you make more isk in the end honoring your ransoms. If you want kills fine I accept your stand point, if you want isk its stupid.
We honor ransoms.. Simple
And to the op... u said u just threw 1 mil at him. Not how it works, he asks for a payment u don't set the rules...
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:33:00 -
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Well in my opinion, the higher your bounty is, the more of a newbish pirate you are. Why? Well because the only people dumb enough to put bounties on anyone are newbs. The higher your bounty, the more it means your a newbie killer and even more likely; a gatecamper.
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Fox Ogmo
Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.10 04:10:00 -
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Just want to make you guys aware that it's impossible for a player to exploit the bounty system with an alt cos you only recieve for the killing, the value of what you destroyed that the player with a bounty is flying, so if the player wants to collect his own 7 mil bounty he has to blow up at least 7 mil of his own ship/mods in the kill.
Any less, and the bounty is not fully paid out. This was introduced ages ago to stop people collecting their own bounties.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.10 05:14:00 -
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Pirates who don't honor ransoms aren't pirates in the slightest. The primary motive of a pirate is always profit. If you don't honor the ransoms, you're grooming a pilot never to pay again, and when word hits the forums, suddenly you're going to find your corporation starved for targets trusting enough to pay you. You lot are a disgrace to the very profession you fancy yourselves a member of, and sabotage the efforts of all of us, your corporation included.
OP, best thing you can do short of hiring mercenaries is contact the CEO and alert them to the member's failure to uphold a ransom. No telling how that might go, you might get an apology + ransom back and the guy reprimanded/kicked, you might get laughed at, or anywhere in between. Failing that, get the word out that they don't honor ransoms, as you've already done and you'll be making it that much harder on them in the future.
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Minsuki
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Posted - 2008.02.10 05:19:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Minsuki on 10/02/2008 05:20:04
Edited by: Minsuki on 10/02/2008 05:19:38
Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
I'm not fed from the hands of carebears, I'm fed by the debris they leave behind.
Translation from roleplay into English: He is fed by his level 4 agent. Or is it Veldspar?
Y'know, I was thinking the exact same thing. Killing a thrasher in a Jag isn't exactly a very impressive km. And, by the way, offering a ransom to the pirate usually doubles it, at the very least.
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:10:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Fox Ogmo
Just want to make you guys aware that it's impossible for a player to exploit the bounty system with an alt cos you only recieve for the killing, the value of what you destroyed that the player with a bounty is flying, so if the player wants to collect his own 7 mil bounty he has to blow up at least 7 mil of his own ship/mods in the kill.
Any less, and the bounty is not fully paid out. This was introduced ages ago to stop people collecting their own bounties.
Fox
You know that the bounty comes from the Pod and not the ship right?
Even if what you said were the case, a pirate would just take an empty-fit ship out, fully insured and could recoup the bounty easily.
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Tigrances
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:33:00 -
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Im flattered, seriously. I never thought so many people cared.....
Now, i know theres a supposed "rule of conduct" for ransoming, but at what point do you think i care? I'm not apart of any alliance, so i have no one to answer too...
Yes, i was convo'd and yes he offered to pay, now only a stupid pirate would say "no" to any kind of payment. i guess i should have asked for more and i might not have done it, but quite frankly i didnt really care what he paid. This wasnt the first time Fay was nailed by me, in fact, the third.
So thankyou for the 1mil, which quite frankly had absolutely no ISK value what-so-ever to me, though i must say I've never laughed so hard after popping someone . Would i do it again if the same event occured? Absolutely! 
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Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:40:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Tigrances
Now, i know theres a supposed "rule of conduct" for ransoming, but at what point do you think i care? I'm not apart of any alliance, so i have no one to answer too...
Exactly, there are different camps under the pirate camp, and to see some pirates complaining about those not showing honor eating into profit margins is laughable and more akin to carebear mentality than that of piracy.
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Hellspawn666
Minmatar
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:54:00 -
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Ah i have to say you take a risk when trusting a pirate i wouldnt not pay a bounty next time as a result as all pirates are different. Personally if i ever killed my prey accidently or inentionally after he paid ransom i would return ransom to him. It makes sense to do this since if you get a name for ransoming then killing anyway nobody would pay you. Admitally 1 mil probs wasnt nothing to him anyway but then again nor was your loot. Dont bother putting bountys on him itl just make his e-peen bigger.
I would really like to see a game mechanic to allow ransoming in a safe manner where the ship would be insured against your gang for say 10 minutes so that if you killed him or agroed him then the ransom would auto be repaid.
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Fourty Niner
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Fourty Niner on 10/02/2008 16:24:48
TO the times Ive been in Low sec and a Pirates pops me. Well hes a pirate so he poped me, I dont think Id even change his standing.
To the times Ive been in Low sec, Been ransomed and NOT paid, Well hes a pirate, so he poped me, i dont think Id even change his standing
To the times Ive been in Low sec, been ransomed AND paid, and then been let go. ahh well, hes a nice pirate, But I dont thing Id change his standing. (I LIKE them ;- Im still not setting them Blue thou)
To the times Ive been in Low sec, Been ransomed AND paid, and STILL been poped, well those names go on my "people Im going to go out of my way to hasstle" note. It may never make a differance to them, and they might never find out. However, I jump into a system and they are sitting in a fight on the gate, instead of taking advantage of the fight to flee, I might just attack them. The "gang" is bored with PvE, so we all gank up and go hunt someone, "Oh, I just happen to have this list here". I suddenly find myself in a BIG allaince who quite francly want a war target, I produce my list and low and behold several other ppl have been poped after ransom.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.10 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage. I'm not looking for return "customers" and besdies, you want honorable pirates? Go watch Disney. REAL pirates are scury low down mongrels that use everything at their disposal to inflict pain and misery. I mean the image of a pirate is that of a murdering, pillaging, rapist. So why in EVE do we try to make the pirate look like some sort of noble creature, galloping about with his awesome PvP ability, acting honorably and such. Best thing you can do is not take it personally and learn from the experience.
Leave honor to the knights in shining armor. I'm a pirate.
I'm a pirate. That said, I'm a pirate with a continously increasing budget from piracy itself, so I believe I'm a successful pirate and know what I'm talking about.
When people ask me 'should I pay ransoms' I say, well, yeah, except to random people are people in ****ty corps, like RAK and, obviously, The Black Fleet. On the other hand, you can quite certainly pay a ransom to Veto or a bunch of other pirate corps and you expect it to be honoured.
The thing about ransoms is that, well, it takes only a few incidents from a member for people to avoid paying ransoms to your entire corporation, and the reputation sticks.
If you really are a pirate (and not someone who has a high-sec mission running alt to fund him), that you understand that ransoms can be way more profitable then just kills. What do you get out of a podkill? Nothing at all. Pod ransoms can be a nice bit of ISK for virtually no extra work at all. My old corp used to charge people 55-60M/month for having POS-es in our home system and resupply them, and people paid because they knew we were going to honour it.
Reducing the profit from ransoms to only newbies who don't know better is not being a 'real pirate', it's being a 'stupid pirate'.
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.02.10 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Fox Ogmo
Just want to make you guys aware that it's impossible for a player to exploit the bounty system with an alt cos you only recieve for the killing, the value of what you destroyed that the player with a bounty is flying, so if the player wants to collect his own 7 mil bounty he has to blow up at least 7 mil of his own ship/mods in the kill.
Any less, and the bounty is not fully paid out. This was introduced ages ago to stop people collecting their own bounties.
Fox
wtf are you talking about? that was an idea someone suggested (well, several someones, several times), it's not at all implemented to the game. the highest damage dealer on a pod kill gets the bounty.
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Ceirwan S
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:53:00 -
[60]
We haven't run out of people stupid enough to pay ransoms yet! :)
Most ingame players don't even read the forums except for reference now and again.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:08:00 -
[61]
If you sent me ISK I didn't ask for I'd probably still blow you up. The dilemma would be in if I gave your ISK back or not. I probably wouldn't, just as I wouldn't if someone I didn't know accidentally donated ISK to me.
One thing that ****es me off is when people assume they're worth a ransom and get angry when I don't bother. I've never heard of anything so presumptuous. I decide if you're worth a ransom. If you send me money, don't be upset when I don't agree to your terms.
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Skyraker7
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:11:00 -
[62]
When we're finished with BOB, we'll come back to low-sec and show you how it's done.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.12 17:16:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Tigrances
Im flattered, seriously. I never thought so many people cared.....
Now, i know theres a supposed "rule of conduct" for ransoming, but at what point do you think i care? I'm not apart of any alliance, so i have no one to answer too...
Yes, i was convo'd and yes he offered to pay, now only a stupid pirate would say "no" to any kind of payment. i guess i should have asked for more and i might not have done it, but quite frankly i didnt really care what he paid. This wasnt the first time Fay was nailed by me, in fact, the third.
So thankyou for the 1mil, which quite frankly had absolutely no ISK value what-so-ever to me, though i must say I've never laughed so hard after popping someone . Would i do it again if the same event occured? Absolutely!
People like you are absolute scum. The lowest of the low... and I admire that.
You pay 15$ a month for this game so you don't need to get preached to by a forum. Fight the bad fight.
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Amanda Eidolo
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 17:58:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage.
I would say that you can't get maximum profit if you do something like that. As something like this happens in the forums and people who read this happen to come by you and you ransom them. I doubt the would pay and then you would be left without money and you can't have maximum profit in the end. Of course you would be making maximum damage but not profit. Unless you are getting some money from kills if you're a merc, which are like most ***ish people in the game. Seriously.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.12 18:11:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Amanda Eidolo
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Honestly, I believe in living a pirates life to the max. I mean I've never done it before (because I don't ransom) but I'd blow someone up if they paid, I mean why not? Maximum profit, maximum damage.
I would say that you can't get maximum profit if you do something like that. As something like this happens in the forums and people who read this happen to come by you and you ransom them. I doubt the would pay and then you would be left without money and you can't have maximum profit in the end. Of course you would be making maximum damage but not profit. Unless you are getting some money from kills if you're a merc, which are like most ***ish people in the game. Seriously.
You aren't thinking properly. Maximum is relative, it doesn't mean every person you ransom will pay. However you try with every person and blow em up anyway, I mean you have nothing to lose, if you don't try then they blow up and you get the loot. If you DO try then you have a chance of not only getting the loot, but extorting isk from them first.
Also I've seen TONS of "I paid ransom but got blowed up!!11!" threads in this forum. You know what though? I can't remember the name of a single person who does it. Not everyone reads the forums, and to those who do, they don't all keep a notebook of people who ransom then blow up because when you are at the bad end of a ransom, you can't really flip through the forum trying to see if that guy's name is in some thread somewhere.
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