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Pride NL Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:04:00 - [31] Yes, they are all fake. Dont let anyone convince you otherwise. As it is a waste of money, noone wastes it on that anymore. Arrive. Raise Hell. Leave.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Pride NL Yes, they are all fake. Dont let anyone convince you otherwise. As it is a waste of money, noone wastes it on that anymore. Not true... I have 165,420 isk on my head!111ONE ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 10:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: General Coochie Most 50mill+ are, mine isn't, its just 1 mill though and my alt got 5k. No, not really. I've had my bounty up over 250m multiple times, and I've never put a bounty on myself. ATM mine is around 67m, not self placed. Just because you had one over 50m doesn't mean that most over 50m aren't fake. Just because you say that most 50mil + bounties are fake doesn't mean it actually is so. For instance if I hereby claim, out of the blue, that most 50 mil bounties aren't fake then I've provided just as much fact to back it up as you have at this point in the thread. Well after noticing that most bounties over 50mill in low sec are as follows: 13370000 666666 777777 12345678 and so on. I concluded that most are fake. And these are the ones that are just so obviously fake it hurts. Then of course we have the players thats been pod killed only to the next day have the same bounty again, which Ive seen on numerous occasions as well. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
El Verbatim	Posted - 2008.02.10 11:03:00 - [34] I guess a lot of them are fake but not all.... I would like to be able to see who put money on my head though, even more, I'd like it a lot if everyone else could see too who put money on your head. This would for sure reduce self-placed bounties.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.10 11:40:00 - [35] Originally by: El Verbatim I guess a lot of them are fake but not all.... I would like to be able to see who put money on my head though, even more, I'd like it a lot if everyone else could see too who put money on your head. This would for sure reduce self-placed bounties. this is a good idea ^
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 12:11:00 - [36] Originally by: General Coochie Well after noticing that most bounties over 50mill in low sec are as follows: 13370000 666666 777777 12345678 I'd have to say that most of the 50+ mil bountys aren't as the three lower examples that you've shown. The first one doesn't indicates that a bounty are fake or not. Originally by: General Coochie Then of course we have the players thats been pod killed only to the next day have the same bounty again, which Ive seen on numerous occasions as well. Not that I pod outlaws often, but when I do this case is more common then the opposite (not having bounty next day). I've podded my fare share of people and not once have I seen what you are talking about. Originally by: General Coochie Yes I'm generalizing. But I've got some observations to build my statements on. I live in low-sec and I also base my statement on observations. The data you've presented are not verifiable and counterarguments can be made just as easily from the same data that you base your arguments on. You also claim that you can see if a bounty is fake or not based solely on the amount, something that I very much doubt. Can you provide any solid proof of your accusations?
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 12:43:00 - [37] No more proof then you. I guess you never heard of 1337 then? 1337 = Leet = Elite. And I never said I can see/prove if a bounty is fake solely on the amount. But if you really think that 133700 bounties are a coincidence, fine. Personally with use of common sense I would assume its fake. Off course we can totally disregard common sense. but Do we really wanna start a metaphysics discussion on EvEo forums? About what kind of proof and observations thats needed to assume/prove something. You are welcome to disagree with me, but I think you are wrong. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.10 14:06:00 - [38] Edited by: Inertial on 10/02/2008 14:06:44 I had a 5,000 isk bounty, that I placed on myself. Mostly to see if I actually was eligeble for a bounty. Yesterday however I podded a bunch of people (went from -1.3 to -5.6 ), and now my bounty is up to 55,000 isk! Makes me happy that I annoyed someone enough to put 50,000 on my head :P
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 15:32:00 - [39] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/02/2008 15:33:56 Originally by: General Coochie No more proof then you. Exactly my point. You are unable to provide proof of your accusation that's not based on your personal perception of the situation. Originally by: General Coochie I guess you never heard of 1337 then? 1337 = Leet = Elite. Right, and space is cramped with people with 1337 in bounty? You've failed to verify that most 50mil+ bountys are of this (or the other ones you've shown) type. Originally by: General Coochie And I never said I can see/prove if a bounty is fake solely on the amount. But if you really think that 133700 bounties are a coincidence, fine. Personally with use of common sense I would assume its fake. I never said that you said that you can prove a fake bounty based on the amount. But you have clearly said that you make the conclusion that most bounties are fake based (partly or solely) on the value (1337, 666 ect). This is your personal evaluation of bounties and apparently you think that's enough to make this accusation. Your argument also depend on that the majority of bounties over 50 mil are of the character that you've described. I've shown that, given the same numbers, one can come up with a totally different conclusion. What makes you think that your is the right one? Again, please provide some more facts to back up your accusation. It clearly doesn't hold in its current state. Originally by: General Coochie Off course we can totally disregard common sense. but Do we really wanna start a metaphysics discussion on EvEo forums? About what kind of proof and observations thats needed to assume/prove something. Common sense is highly subjective. Up to this point there is as much speaking for my "counter-statement" that there is for your original accusation. If you can't support your claim with adequate facts it bear no meaning. Originally by: General Coochie You are welcome to disagree with me, but I think you are wrong. Yes, you think that IÆm wrong but you are unwilling to prove it. Your accusations are based on personal experience and reasoning, which IÆve also provided for the counter-argument. Your original statement shouldÆve been something like ôit seems to me thatà.ö
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.10 15:58:00 - [40] I've been in ninth place on the bounty list before, I have had three corp mates and two good friends on the list at the same time as me, none of them self imposed. However the bounty system is broken, and you tend to only get significant bounties from certain types of people, generally those who have alot of isk and yet no expierience with game mechanics... whether those be isk buyers, people who don't speak english, people who casually play the game, or lifetime carebears. If you kill enough people, statistically you will kill your fair share of these types, and so get a bounty.

Furion iV Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.10 17:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/02/2008 15:33:56 Originally by: General Coochie No more proof then you. Exactly my point. You are unable to provide proof of your accusation that's not based on your personal perception of the situation. Originally by: General Coochie I guess you never heard of 1337 then? 1337 = Leet = Elite. Right, and space is cramped with people with 1337 in bounty? You've failed to verify that most 50mil+ bountys are of this (or the other ones you've shown) type. Originally by: General Coochie And I never said I can see/prove if a bounty is fake solely on the amount. But if you really think that 133700 bounties are a coincidence, fine. Personally with use of common sense I would assume its fake. I never said that you said that you can prove a fake bounty based on the amount. But you have clearly said that you make the conclusion that most bounties are fake based (partly or solely) on the value (1337, 666 ect). This is your personal evaluation of bounties and apparently you think that's enough to make this accusation. Your argument also depend on that the majority of bounties over 50 mil are of the character that you've described. I've shown that, given the same numbers, one can come up with a totally different conclusion. What makes you think that your is the right one? Again, please provide some more facts to back up your accusation. It clearly doesn't hold in its current state. Originally by: General Coochie Off course we can totally disregard common sense. but Do we really wanna start a metaphysics discussion on EvEo forums? About what kind of proof and observations thats needed to assume/prove something. Common sense is highly subjective. Up to this point there is as much speaking for my "counter-statement" that there is for your original accusation. If you can't support your claim with adequate facts it bear no meaning. Originally by: General Coochie You are welcome to disagree with me, but I think you are wrong. Yes, you think that IÆm wrong but you are unwilling to prove it. Your accusations are based on personal experience and reasoning, which IÆve also provided for the counter-argument. Your original statement shouldÆve been something like ôit seems to me thatà.ö Got much spare time on your hands? I'm sure you've got something better to do than argue on EVEo forums.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 17:42:00 - [42] As I said I rather don't go so much into detail over this as to bring metaphysical theories into the picture. common sense is subjective, yes it is. So can you prove to me that you woke up this morning? No you can't. The only thing I know for sure right now is that I'm sitting here right now typing this. Every other science based fact is acquired from common sense and the belief that time is linear and that events that are repeated often will repeat themselves again. I think everyone understands that no one can be 100% right or wrong on this matter (or any matter that isn't bound to fundamental laws as true and false and 1+1). I really can't be arsed to be so semantic over my statements that I wanna take time to express myself to make my point clear, safe and 100% scientific and political correct on a online space forum. I'm just curious; do you believe the vast majority of low sec haulers to be ppl/macros farming isk to sell or actually playing this game just to enjoy it? I wanna know if you as other ppl here are arguing cause you don't like the shortcuts some of us do assuming things, or if you are just arguing for the sake of it, or if faked bounties is just a soft spot for you for any reason. So I know for possible future diskussions. And finally, even if I made it sound like I was 1000% sure I was right. I don't think I am. I might be wrong. Of course its my opinion. I don't think ppl reading this thread ever thought otherwise. If you feel you need to make it clear to others readin that I might or is wrong simply because I cannot prove my statement I think you are underestimating most ppl's "common sense". The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.10 17:51:00 - [43] I keep adjusting some friends' bounties until they're 8008135. Because everyone likes 8008135. Originally by: CCP Explorer This is intended, to not clutter the overview with information that new players don't need in their first few hours. (on stargates not being on overview)
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.02.10 18:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Cpt Fina Stuff Lol looks like weve found someone with a fake bounty Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 18:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Furion iV Got much spare time on your hands? I'm sure you've got something better to do than argue on EVEo forums. If you got something to add to the discussion then please do so. Otherwise let people discuss whatever they like, for whatever the time they like. Originally by: General Coochie common sense is subjective, yes it is. So can you prove to me that you woke up this morning? No you can't. The only thing I know for sure right now is that I'm sitting here right now typing this. Every other science based fact is acquired from common sense and the belief that time is linear and that events that are repeated often will repeat themselves again. And there's something called burden of proof. I hope you don't fail to see how important it is to be able to back up calims you make in a discussion with sound arguments/facts, especially whe it's an accusation. And I really hope, for your own sake, that you don't believe that "it's common sense" is enough to support your argument. Originally by: General Coochie I think everyone understands that no one can be 100% right or wrong on this matter (or any matter that isn't bound to fundamental laws as true and false and 1+1). I really can't be arsed to be so semantic over my statements that I wanna take time to express myself to make my point clear, safe and 100% scientific and political correct on a online space forum. When you make a statement you should be able to atleast provide some basic arguments to back it up. I've trampled the arguments that you've provided this far. I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm merely asking how you can be so certain of this that you make sauch of a statement. Originally by: General Coochie I'm just curious; do you believe the vast majority of low sec haulers to be ppl/macros farming isk to sell or actually playing this game just to enjoy it? I wanna know if you as other ppl here are arguing cause you don't like the shortcuts some of us do assuming things, or if you are just arguing for the sake of it, or if faked bounties is just a soft spot for you for any reason. So I know for possible future diskussions. Irrelevant. The reason why I take the time to question your argument isn't in any way relevant to if it's sound or not. If you want to discuss this with me then you can ask me after we've setteled this, ehrn you've verified your initial claim. Originally by: General Coochie And finally, even if I made it sound like I was 1000% sure I was right. I don't think I am. I might be wrong. Of course its my opinion. I don't think ppl reading this thread ever thought otherwise. If you feel you need to make it clear to others readin that I might or is wrong simply because I cannot prove my statement I think you are underestimating most ppl's "common sense". So you are saying that you can't back it up? So essentially: You made an accusation that you can't in any way back up with a strong argument and you think it's unfair when I ask you to provide some arguments from you to back it up? Originally by: Orar Ironfist Lol looks like weve found someone with a fake bounty Looks like they let homosexual communists post on this forum too. Please provide proof of me having a fake bounty or edit it out from your post. Then I'll do the same with the above sentence.
T'Renn Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.10 19:31:00 - [46] My bounty is real, but I haven't the foggiest where it came from. I never got much of a bounty when I was camping gates 23/7, but I guess I peeved someone off on a contract recently. Meh. Also, I hightly doubt Fina would ever self-bounty. There's no need. It takes skill to make people angry enough at you that they'll put a bounty on your head, and Fina has skill to spare. Learn a little about the people you smack in the forums next time. --
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.10 19:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Mik kyo However the bounty system is broken, and you tend to only get significant bounties from certain types of people, generally those who have alot of isk and yet no expierience with game mechanics... whether those be isk buyers, people who don't speak english, people who casually play the game, or lifetime carebears. Exactly true; it isn't very hard to figure out who puts the bounty on your head since those that do so usually have suffered some major loss to them and let you know it. Example (Faction-fitted Manticore) Quote: 2007.11.27 05:23 Thanks for giving me the chance to ransome my ship you ***** jerk off bastard. Oh well you save me money I just cancelled the account and wrote a complaint about you. *** worthless *****. The same day someone puts 200m on my head. A week later I catch a Navy Caracal mining in low-sec (seriously) and another huge sum appears. Carebears or ISK-buying newbies flying nice stuff are the best targets to go after if you want to get some silly bounties.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 19:36:00 - [48] I'm not accusing anyone in particular so I really don't think I need to be fair or moral in my assumptions and statements. Yes I think common sense is enough when we are talking about the situation in a fictional world. Its not like the scientific community will disregard my whole publication for not bringing proper and well documented facts for my theories. And you haven't trampled my arguements so far. If most ppl with a higher bounty in fact have fake bounty and a high enough % of them got "funny" looking bountys which are directly related to the fact that they are fake, you haven't disapproved anything. Theres nothing saying that the burden of proof is on me in this scenario except you. Because what is to be proved isn't some law, or fundamental theory like why does things drop to the ground. This subject is more of the type is the pen blue or is the pen not blue, and no one actually has seen the color. However most pens of the brand tend to be blue in my opinion and not in yours. I think both of us has the burden of proof on us. It might be irrelevant for the discussion for you to reveal your motives. But its of importance to me. Sometimes I like having a good discussion but other days I can't be arsed with it. If you start picking my posts apart in the future I wanna know whether it is of importance to bring clarity to the subject or whether its just to have a discussion. If I wanna have a discussion then I might go ahead. But if not and its a subject I really don't care much about (like this one) I could just leave it alone knowing you actually don't care about the subject either. Also the only way to settle this I think is to. * Sit down in a system for couple of weeks and count number of ppl with "funny" bounties, which is indeed hard as its subjective. I should do it, as its my ability to see fake bounties that is questioned. * Do an anonymous survey where ppl with bounties higher then 50mill gets to answer if their bounties are fake or not. * Compare amount of fake bounties from survey to my "observed" ones. I rather run a marathon tbh. If we can however settle for our personal undocumented observations on the matter and just conclude that. You believe most bounties above 50m are real (if you actually think this) I don't believe most bounties above 50m are real. And since you take my words so precise, I guess I once again have to say. Its MY opinion and I really think anyone reading my first posts wouldn't think otherwise. I'm assuming (again) now and guessing that most ppl don't take my words as if I actually knew exactly how the situation in eve is. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Stephannus Calimben mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.10 19:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Mik kyo I've been in ninth place on the bounty list before, I have had three corp mates and two good friends on the list at the same time as me, none of them self imposed. However the bounty system is broken, and you tend to only get significant bounties from certain types of people, generally those who have alot of isk and yet no expierience with game mechanics... whether those be isk buyers, people who don't speak english, people who casually play the game, or lifetime carebears. If you kill enough people, statistically you will kill your fair share of these types, and so get a bounty. i think this guy hit it square on the head. i pirated in drakes/ravens for months and months and only accrued a 5m bounty. when i took to smartbombing, someone put a 40m bounty on me once (that i podded myself for when i had to move a jumpclone anyways), and recently have accrued a 58m bounty that i'm too lazy to pod myself over. i think to get bounties you have to a) be the killing blow b) be the only one on the killmail and c) kill a carebear (doesnt think about podding self for bounty) who has way too much money and lost alot to you the guy who put the bulk of the 58m on me i'm pretty sure is the guy whose helios i smartbombed with around a bill in datacores in the hold. i was the only guy on the mail, i got his pod, and cost him alot of money. gunna see how big it can get now. its pretty hard to lose a pod in lowsec, and i'm not particularily worried about 60m anyways. gunna test the idea that bigger bounties accrue more bounties faster instead
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 20:26:00 - [50] Originally by: General Coochie I'm not accusing anyone in particular so I really don't think I need to be fair or moral in my assumptions and statements. Yes I think common sense is enough when we are talking about the situation in a fictional world. Its not like the scientific community will disregard my whole publication for not bringing proper and well documented facts for my theories. You're not accusing anyone in particular but it's an accusation directed towards people with 50+ mil bountys nonetheless. Fact still is that you made an accusation with nothing to back it up with. Common sense isn't a good argument. What if I hereby claim that common sense will tell you the direct opposite of what you claim it does. What makes "your common sense" more trustworthy than mine? Originally by: General Coochie And you haven't trampled my arguements so far. The very few facts you've provided are very uncertain and can just as easily be used in a counter-argument. Which arguments have you provided that still hold tight? Originally by: General Coochie If most ppl with a higher bounty in fact have fake bounty and a high enough % of them got "funny" looking bountys which are directly related to the fact that they are fake, you haven't disapproved anything. If?.... if? Seem that you were pretty certain earlier in this thread. Yes, IF the majority of the higher bounties are fake (which you are yet to prove) and a high percentage of them have funny looking values (which are yet to prove) your argument hold tight. What does this mean? If the X is X my statement of X being X is true. well, yeah obviously. Originally by: General Coochie Theres nothing saying that the burden of proof is on me in this scenario except you. Because what is to be proved isn't some law, or fundamental theory like why does things drop to the ground. This subject is more of the type is the pen blue or is the pen not blue, and no one actually has seen the color. However most pens of the brand tend to be blue in my opinion and not in yours. No, this is you saying that most high bounties are faked and are unable to back it up. It'd be ok with you if I made a thread saying "The Bastards" use log-off tactics, put fake bouties on themselves and makes fun of deceased Eve-players? You would be a-ok with that even if I weren't able to back it up? Originally by: General Coochie I think both of us has the burden of proof on us. Burden of proof? How do I prove a question? Please point out any argument that youÆd like me to back up. Originally by: General Coochie It might be irrelevant for the discussion for you to reveal your motives. But its of importance to me. Sometimes I like having a good discussion but other days I can't be arsed with it. If you start picking my posts apart in the future I wanna know whether it is of importance to bring clarity to the subject or whether its just to have a discussion. If I wanna have a discussion then I might go ahead. But if not and its a subject I really don't care much about (like this one) I could just leave it alone knowing you actually don't care about the subject either. Whether your argumentation-method is sound or not has nothing to do with my motives of questioning it. The thing you should concentrate on is that I have questioned it and now itÆs time to show that your method is tight.

Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 20:26:00 - [51] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/02/2008 20:28:30 Originally by: General Coochie Also the only way to settle this I think is to. * Sit down in a system for couple of weeks and count number of ppl with "funny" bounties, which is indeed hard as its subjective. I should do it, as its my ability to see fake bounties that is questioned. * Do an anonymous survey where ppl with bounties higher then 50mill gets to answer if their bounties are fake or not. * Compare amount of fake bounties from survey to my "observed" ones. By this you mean that you no longer are certain that the majority of the 50+ mil bounties are fake? Are you saying that this is the only way to prove it and that you havenÆt done it yourself? Then how can you know that itÆs true? Maybe itÆs time to reconsider your initial accusation? Originally by: General Coochie You believe most bounties above 50m are real (if you actually think this) Please provide a link or quote me saying that I believe that most bounties over 50 million are authentic. IÆm worried about your ability to continue this discussion if you donÆt even get what weÆre discussing. Originally by: General Coochie And since you take my words so precise, I guess I once again have to say. Its MY opinion and I really think anyone reading my first posts wouldn't think otherwise. I'm assuming (again) now and guessing that most ppl don't take my words as if I actually knew exactly how the situation i ThatÆs why you didnÆt say ôI think thatö, ôto me it seems thatö, I get the impression thatö, ôI think itÆs apparent thatö, ôa lot of things point in the direction ofö or ôI suspect thatö? Again, youÆve written a judgmental statement, not a point of view, post. If you say that it is a post of your personal opinion/believe and not a statement then I suggest that you consider editing your initial post. edit: Same to you renn
Furion iV Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:11:00 - [52] Edited by: Furion iV on 10/02/2008 21:14:54 I will bring to this arguement common sense. If someone has a bounty that is clearly commonly used numerical slang, then by all means it is assumed that it is fake. This is not always the case, but probabilty is in the favor of it being fake. Thus, all bounty's that contain said numerical slang can be identified as fake and arguing otherwise is non-sensical. Proven.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Furion iV Edited by: Furion iV on 10/02/2008 21:14:54 I will bring to this arguement common sense. If someone has a bounty that is clearly commonly used numerical slang, then by all means it is assumed that it is fake. This is not always the case, but probabilty is in the favor of it being fake. Thus, all bounty's that contain said numerical slang can be identified as fake and arguing otherwise is non-sensical. Proven. That's not the essence of our discussion. And not once have I stated that a funny bounty-value bear no relevance of the chance of it being fake.
Furion iV Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:31:00 - [54] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Furion iV Edited by: Furion iV on 10/02/2008 21:14:54 I will bring to this arguement common sense. If someone has a bounty that is clearly commonly used numerical slang, then by all means it is assumed that it is fake. This is not always the case, but probabilty is in the favor of it being fake. Thus, all bounty's that contain said numerical slang can be identified as fake and arguing otherwise is non-sensical. Proven. That's not the essence of our discussion. And not once have I stated that a funny bounty-value bear no relevance of the chance of it being fake. Yet you are arguing that that something requires proof for it to be deemed fake. I deem probabilty to be enough proof to state that they are in the majority fake. Although there are other variables to be taken into account, this one is the most influential. It is like stating that people who are wearing the tools of a plumber, is infact an electrician. Chances are they could be, but it will be presumed that they are a plumber.
Peter Powers Master Miners	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:40:00 - [55] to get bounty you have to gank newbs!!!! experienced players dont use that feature that often, knowing as pirate you can simply "collect" your own bounty with an alt. I love CCP Morpheus<3 xXx CCP Morpheus xXx <3
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:41:00 - [56] Originally by: Furion iV Yet you are arguing that that something requires proof for it to be deemed fake. I'm requesting a poster to provide sound arguments to back up an accusation. Originally by: Furion iV I deem probabilty to be enough proof to state that they are in the majority fake. Although there are other variables to be taken into account, this one is the most influential. It is like stating that people who are wearing the tools of a plumber, is infact an electrician. Chances are they could be, but it will be presumed that they are a plumber. Good for you. But I'm not discussing this with you atm. If you still feel that you want to discuss this with me after coochie and I are done then feel free to say so and I'll consider it.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 22:24:00 - [57] Edited by: General Coochie on 10/02/2008 22:33:57 Yes you are right, my common sense isn't worth more then yours, nor isn't it the "right one". We all have different ways of looking at things. If I think something is the way it is for a certain reason concluded from my common sense and you don't we are disagreeing. You are welcome to disagree with me. Quote: Which arguments have you provided that still hold tight? My personal observations of ppl that got new bounties in few hours and rate of "funny" bounties, but you don't believe my word of my observations or have different observations. The only way of settling whether I was actually sound in my accusation is by doing a scientific study on the matter that is well documented. You are welcome to, I won't do that myself, if you wanna go so far to prove that my initial statement was far from the truth you are welcome to. And if you do I will admit to being wrong. Theres not a single science in history that hasn't got discussions for and against whatever theory in focus. Its actually what makes science sound and productive. Not that I would call our subject here very sound or productive science even. Quote: Please point out any argument that youÆd like me to back up. Quote: I'd have to say that most of the 50+ mil bountys aren't as the three lower examples that you've shown. Also one could assume that the funny bounties aren't all faked bounties, as some bounties that are faked probably look like any other bounty. Of course some funny looking bounties are bound to be real as well. My personal observations and common sense is enough for me to conclude that most bounties in EvE above 50mill are fake. It might not be enough proof for you but it is for me. I consider myself to be open minded, if science tomorrow concluded that the gravitation law of physics doesn't apply once every 100 years for 2 seconds and theres some proof for it and the science community would embrace that theory so would I even if its fundamental to most ppl. Same thing here, someone could prove me wrong and I would rethink my statement and investigate how my conclusions could have gotten wrong hence the IF. And no I won't do a survey, nor will I change my initial statement. Nor do I have an obligation to prove that my method is "tight". I'm free to be judgmental. And I can be judgmental about what ever I like. I personally draw a line somewhere between slinging dirt on/accusing ppl with high fake bounties and doing it against a corp saying they make fun of deceased ppl. If you don't draw such a line sure go ahead make such a post. It will ruin your eve-o identity not our corps. Why? There is a distinct moral difference but also for some reason ppl are more inclined to believe that x amount of bounties are fake and wouldn't believe a post about our corp doing mentioned stuff. The only ones that should feel bad about it are the ones having a fake bounty. Everyone else knows I'm wrong in their case. This is a statement on a forum for an online role playing game. Not a science article. I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't matter how well you argue for your sake, I won't treat the eve forums the way you think they should be treated. Now go watch my newly releazed Caracal and Vigil PvP video. Linky is in my sig. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.10 22:28:00 - [58] Originally by: SonOfAGhost I keep adjusting some friends' bounties until they're 8008135. Because everyone likes 8008135. Yeah... i've never done that, but I've had it done to me. Although every time the test server uploads I drain the corp funds and place a few bil on my CEO's head... just for the heck of it... haven't snagged his pod after doing it yet, but the smartbombs are being primed ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 22:51:00 - [59] I'd like to see a system installed, as mentioned above, where you could see who placed the bounty. Be a great way to learn who a lot of folks alts are.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.10 23:27:00 - [60] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/02/2008 23:32:31 Originally by: General Coochie Same thing here, someone could prove me wrong and I would rethink my statement and investigate how my conclusions could have gotten wrong hence the IF. The initial post was constructed as a state of fact. NOT a statement of your personal opinion. If you say that this was your intent, then I suggest you edit your post because it doesnÆt give the impression that it was your personal conclusion based on your personal observations. Originally by: General Coochie And no I won't do a survey, nor will I change my initial statement. Nor do I have an obligation to prove that my method is "tight". I'm free to be judgmental. And I can be judgmental about what ever I like. Then one should not engage in any discussion with you since you obviously donÆt care about basic rules of argumentation. Remind me that if I forget this discussion and that it was you I spoke with, to ôStop, Fina! Reason and logic wonÆt bear any weight in this discussion because I think that I donÆt have any obligations to make sound arguments for my calimsö. Originally by: General Coochie I personally draw a line somewhere between slinging dirt on/accusing ppl with high fake bounties and doing it against a corp saying they make fun of deceased ppl. If you don't draw such a line sure go ahead make such a post. Did you fail to realize that this was an example drawn to its extreme or did you simply ignore it making it sound like IÆm actually considering it to devalue the argument? The example has the same principles as your actions: Accusations without obligation to back it up, but drawn to the extreme. You seem to think that method is fine. Which would mean that I too can make accusations (loggoffski, fake bounty and dreadful jokes) about you without having to back it up (E.g. ôNor do I have an obligation to prove that my method is "tight". I'm free to be judgmental. And I can be judgmental about what ever I like.ö), right? ItÆs hard to discuss with you when you have a hard time with keeping up in the discussion. Originally by: General Coochie This is a statement on a forum for an online role playing game. Not a science article. I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't matter how well you argue for your sake, I won't treat the eve forums the way you think they should be treated. The channel of a discussion doesnÆt change the fundamental rules one got to follow to keep it rational.



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