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Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.14 12:28:00 - [91] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Donovan Killar If you found it contradictive then say so. Nice word. For those of us who don't look up clever sounding words to use on the internet, he means inconsistent. Yes I had to look it up.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.14 12:40:00 - [92] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 14/02/2008 12:40:17 Originally by: Belial Tempter Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Donovan Killar If you found it contradictive then say so. Nice word. For those of us who don't look up clever sounding words to use on the internet, he means inconsistent. Yes I had to look it up. Really now? English isn't even my native language... maybe says more about you than me.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.14 12:43:00 - [93] Originally by: General Coochie we having very different opinions about how one should act on a forum, express themselves and whats needed in terms of proof and to make a statement as I did (note: not what proof is needed to make the statement true scientificly) I assumed that you understood why the usual rules of argumentation should be followed. My bad.
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.14 19:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 14/02/2008 15:29:03 Edited by: Cpt Fina on 14/02/2008 12:40:17 Originally by: Belial Tempter Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Donovan Killar If you found it contradictive then say so. Nice word. For those of us who don't look up clever sounding words to use on the internet, he means inconsistent. Yes I had to look it up. Really now? English isn't even my native language and i didn't have to look it up... maybe says more about you than me. lol. Then stop using that word, and just use "inconsistent" instead. Otherwise people will assume you're just trying to sound more cleverer () than you actually are... A bit like me saying "I popped this guy, then absquatulated with his loot", when "I popped this guy, then ran off with his loot" would have sufficed (yes, I looked that one up too, so if it doesn't fit in my point, then, well I'm not sure I ever actually had a point...I was just bored, and being argumentative, so meh.. )
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.14 20:29:00 - [95] Originally by: Belial Tempter Originally by: Cpt Fina Edited by: Cpt Fina on 14/02/2008 15:29:03 Edited by: Cpt Fina on 14/02/2008 12:40:17 Originally by: Belial Tempter Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Donovan Killar If you found it contradictive then say so. Nice word. For those of us who don't look up clever sounding words to use on the internet, he means inconsistent. Yes I had to look it up. Really now? English isn't even my native language and i didn't have to look it up... maybe says more about you than me. lol. Then stop using that word, and just use "inconsistent" instead. Otherwise people will assume you're just trying to sound more cleverer () than you actually are... "Then stop using it"? Because you don't understand it? I'm pretty certain most of the readers don't have to look it up.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.14 20:43:00 - [96] I have plenty of friends who have gotten (and lost, in real combat) large bounties. Hell, even I have a small bounty, though why I can't imagine for the life of me, i'm such a nice, loving person :( ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes?
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:27:00 - [97] Edited by: Belial Tempter on 15/02/2008 10:29:31 Originally by: Cpt Fina "Then stop using it"? Because you don't understand it? I'm pretty certain most of the readers don't have to look it up. It was advice, from a native speaker of the language, to a non-native speaker. Choose to ignore my advice and carry on using an uncommon term by all means.(I read a lot and, believe it or not, have quite a large vocabulary, so if I haven't heard of it it isn't all that common, tbh). Either way, whether you meant it or not, whether you knew it or not, from a native speaker, I'm telling you now, you sounded to me like you were trying to sound clever. I couldn't care less if you actually were or not, and the fact you seem to think the appropriate way to answer me is to question my intelligence, instead of just explaining that you were a non-native speaker, speaks volumes to me. anyway, to get back OT, the biggest bounty I've ever had was around 25 mill, and I never found out who put it on me :P Maybe that's a way to get around 'fake' bounties, allow the public to know who's placed a bounty?
Sigul Siento	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:16:00 - [98] Edited by: Sigul Siento on 15/02/2008 12:17:03 Originally by: Belial Tempter Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Donovan Killar If you found it contradictive then say so. Nice word. For those of us who don't look up clever sounding words to use on the internet, he means inconsistent. Yes I had to look it up. How is "contradictive" a more clever sounding/difficult word than "inconsistent"? -Non native speaker that didn't have to look up either word (Yay, I'm clever).
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:38:00 - [99] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: General Coochie we having very different opinions about how one should act on a forum, express themselves and whats needed in terms of proof and to make a statement as I did (note: not what proof is needed to make the statement true scientificly) I assumed that you understood why the usual rules of argumentation should be followed. My bad. What are the usual rules of argumentation then? Care to enlighten me? If I got it all right this is basicly our discussion: * You are arguing I made a statement that was an accusation towards someone without any proof. * I am arguing that I had sufficient proof to make such statement. I'm also a bit skeptical calling my statement an accusation. The discussion should come down to what sufficient proof is. We clearly have different opinions on the matter. Sufficient proof: This discussion has been going on within the scientific community and the philosophical one for hundreds of years. What makes you think you are obliged to say what sufficient proof is? You can have an opinion of course and you are welcome to argue for it. But you should respect other ppls opinions as well. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:38:00 - [100] Edited by: Belial Tempter on 15/02/2008 13:40:17 Goddamit it just is!! /me thinks. Er, oh.. hang on...'listens to corpmate who's pointing something out he doesn't want to hear'..contradictive, to contradict, hmm... ok, maybe you're right..not that clever-sounding actually, thinking about it.. The tense threw me, fair play, my bad. FINE! I'm a noob and stand corrected! Happy now? /me leaves vowing revenge on all those who would dispute his points.

Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:39:00 - [101] Originally by: Belial Tempter Edited by: Belial Tempter on 15/02/2008 10:29:31 It was advice, from a native speaker of the language, to a non-native speaker. Choose to ignore my advice and carry on using an uncommon term by all means.(I read a lot and, believe it or not, have quite a large vocabulary, so if I haven't heard of it it isn't all that common, tbh). lol. I am pretty ***** positive that most readers here understand the word "contradict". Instead of giving me advice in my use of english words maybe you should reevaluate your "large vocabulary". Originally by:** Belial Tempter I couldn't care less if you actually were or not, and the fact you seem to think the appropriate way to answer me is to question my intelligence, instead of just explaining that you were a non-native speaker, speaks volumes to me. How can I not when I'm certain that the word you are complaining about isn't very uncommon at all? I don't have to excuse myself to you and your patronizing post, and I'm not going to.
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:43:00 - [102] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Belial Tempter Edited by: Belial Tempter on 15/02/2008 10:29:31 It was advice, from a native speaker of the language, to a non-native speaker. Choose to ignore my advice and carry on using an uncommon term by all means.(I read a lot and, believe it or not, have quite a large vocabulary, so if I haven't heard of it it isn't all that common, tbh). lol. I am pretty ***** positive that most readers here understand the word "contradict". Instead of giving me advice in my use of english words maybe you should reevaluate your "large vocabulary". Originally by:** Belial Tempter I couldn't care less if you actually were or not, and the fact you seem to think the appropriate way to answer me is to question my intelligence, instead of just explaining that you were a non-native speaker, speaks volumes to me. How can I not when I'm certain that the word you are complaining about isn't very uncommon at all? I don't have to excuse myself to you and your patronizing post, and I'm not going to. OK, OK, unwind your knickers m8, if you read my last post I rethought about that term, and agreed it wasn't that complicated a word. Just me being a noob and not recognising it for some bizarre "brain freeze moment" reason. As for me sounding patronizing, pot kettle black. I wouldn't have posted at all if I hadn't had similar thoughts about you reading the thread. How about we all stop acting like little girls, myself included, and just agree to disagree today? hmm?
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:46:00 - [103] Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: General Coochie we having very different opinions about how one should act on a forum, express themselves and whats needed in terms of proof and to make a statement as I did (note: not what proof is needed to make the statement true scientificly) I assumed that you understood why the usual rules of argumentation should be followed. My bad. What are the usual rules of argumentation then? Care to enlighten me? If I got it all right this is basicly our discussion: * You are arguing I made a statement that was an accusation towards someone without any proof. * I am arguing that I had sufficient proof to make such statement. I'm also a bit skeptical calling my statement an accusation. Your arguments to back up your accusation (which is indeed an accusation) is: Argument: Suspicious bounty-values such as 666, 1234 ect make it very probable that a bounty is fake AND that a significant part of 50 mil+ bounties are of such character. Counterargument: Quick check of top 10 bounties shows NO bounty of such sort. I then urged you to prove me wrong with better statistics which you declined You later stated that ô I never said I can see/prove if a bounty is fake solely on the amount.ö Argument: Then of course we have the players thats been pod killed only to the next day have the same bounty again which Ive seen on numerous occasions as well. Not that I pod outlaws often This one seems to be based on you personal experience which you say isnÆt that extensive, yourself. Counterargument: I also have personal experience from this. And I claimed the opposite, that IÆve never seen such a thing. Word against word. If I were to claim that I got a buddy backing this up then IÆd have the upper hand in this argument. You are free to provide further proof of your argument. Argument: Common sense Counterargument: Common sense if subjective and up to the individual to determine. I can just as well claim that common sense says the direct opposite of what youÆre saying it does. You can of however prove me wrong by doing a survey to determine the general consensus in this matter. Conclusion: Your statement was as much of an accusation as it would be if I were to say ômost The Bastards-members use log-off tacticsö. You have provided very few and extremely weak arguments to back this up. NONE of the argument holds it own against any counterargument that I swiftly made just for the cause of making them. None of them has been backed by any facts but merely personal experience/opinions. The strongest argument, would it be true, has been deemed false with a counterargument based on in game statistics (1234-bounties). What else do you got to convince me that your initial statement is true? As it stands, more has been presented in the counteargument-side in this thread. All you got left is your opinion, and thus the reason I suggested you changed your statement to a post of personal opinionà. Or that you provide sound arguments to back up your accusation.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:51:00 - [104] So... do they already sell handbags with a C&P logo in the EVE shops?
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:30:00 - [105] Edited by: Belial Tempter on 15/02/2008 17:31:13 Edited by: Belial Tempter on 15/02/2008 17:30:19 I want a jolly roger on mine! Sign of someone getting wound up...highlighting and formatting your wall-of-text. (which I didn't read, and aint going to, Mr Fina..so PLEASE don't format and highlight one for me..)
Chief Tech	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:47:00 - [106] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: General Coochie we having very different opinions about how one should act on a forum, express themselves and whats needed in terms of proof and to make a statement as I did (note: not what proof is needed to make the statement true scientificly) I assumed that you understood why the usual rules of argumentation should be followed. My bad. What are the usual rules of argumentation then? Care to enlighten me? If I got it all right this is basicly our discussion: * You are arguing I made a statement that was an accusation towards someone without any proof. * I am arguing that I had sufficient proof to make such statement. I'm also a bit skeptical calling my statement an accusation. Your arguments to back up your accusation (which is indeed an accusation) is: Argument: Suspicious bounty-values such as 666, 1234 ect make it very probable that a bounty is fake AND that a significant part of 50 mil+ bounties are of such character. Counterargument: Quick check of top 10 bounties shows NO bounty of such sort. I then urged you to prove me wrong with better statistics which you declined You later stated that ô I never said I can see/prove if a bounty is fake solely on the amount.ö Argument: Then of course we have the players thats been pod killed only to the next day have the same bounty again which Ive seen on numerous occasions as well. Not that I pod outlaws often This one seems to be based on you personal experience which you say isnÆt that extensive, yourself. Counterargument: I also have personal experience from this. And I claimed the opposite, that IÆve never seen such a thing. Word against word. If I were to claim that I got a buddy backing this up then IÆd have the upper hand in this argument. You are free to provide further proof of your argument. Argument: Common sense Counterargument: Common sense if subjective and up to the individual to determine. I can just as well claim that common sense says the direct opposite of what youÆre saying it does. You can of however prove me wrong by doing a survey to determine the general consensus in this matter. Conclusion: Your statement was as much of an accusation as it would be if I were to say ômost The Bastards-members use log-off tacticsö. You have provided very few and extremely weak arguments to back this up. NONE of the argument holds it own against any counterargument that I swiftly made just for the cause of making them. None of them has been backed by any facts but merely personal experience/opinions. The strongest argument, would it be true, has been deemed false with a counterargument based on in game statistics (1234-bounties). What else do you got to convince me that your initial statement is true? As it stands, more has been presented in the counteargument-side in this thread. All you got left is your opinion, and thus the reason I suggested you changed your statement to a post of personal opinionà. Or that you provide sound arguments to back up your accusation. Can you 2 get a room and discuss your arguments there maybe?! If I want to call any of you 2 an idiot and you start arguing, that you aren't, than we have a nice discussion maybe,but none of you 2 could proof, that I am wrong !! Counterargument will be, that I am the one actually. If you think so, than I am 50% right already. That means, that my argument, that you are the one has a better chance to be right also ! What was the argument ??
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:00:00 - [107] I wont quote due to the walls of texts and silly debates but, in regards to "suspicious" bounty numbers, my old corp mates yousto get a kick of putting extra isk on my bounty so that it would always end in "1337" forever ****ing me off, it was only a matter of a few thousand isk ontop of millions, but that seems to be pretty popular, so don't just assume that. I don't get the issue with bounty hunting though, there are large bounties out there, on real players, who really undock, who really are -10 and fly around fighting, bounty system works all rejoyce, we can't be blamed for bounty hunters not being good enough :D ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes?
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:59:00 - [108] The argument isn't disproved by you supplementing documented facts of the top player bounties in eve. I can as I said ad an ad hoc solution; It doesn't apply to that high bounties. Maybe because players with that high bounties aren't fake as no one would put that much isk into their own bounty. However your arguements are good. And it makes my statement/arguements much weaker. It would be better if more ppl joined in on the discussion adding their own experiences. I doubt anyone will join in on this discussion though Adding an ad hoc solution would be silly of me when I don't have strong enough data for thinking otherwise (and your data is stronger). So maybe I was wrong. It doesn't mean I should edit my first post though, that was what I believed at the time and the data I had at hand at that point made me conclude that. Now more data and other arguements have been supplied making me think that maybe I'm wrong (your experiences are indeed as valuable as my own). Also if someone actually wanna follow our discussion its better not to edit a post. However I don't think that making a post about bastards using log off tactics is even remotely the same as the statement I did. But I guess thats another question where our opinions differ. If however you are fighting me and my computer crash and the circumstances makes you believe we use log off tactics, I wouldn't blame you for making a post about it. As long as one can say "I was wrong" when proved otherwise its all right I might have been wrong. And if someone would ask me now, maybe I would say that personally I am inclined to think most are fake based on experiences in eve, however other players think they are not. But probably Id say "I'm not sure" cause it is indeed closer to how you express yourself in every day life. Note I say might have been wrong. As I'm naturally always more inclined to believe my own observations above anyone else's (unless there are more then a few ppl disagreeing with me and I'm alone of my opinion). Would I be totally objective on the matter, like someone reading this post without any experiences of their own on the matter, I would probably consider myself being wrong. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:10:00 - [109] Originally by: Chief Tech Can you 2 get a room and discuss your arguments there maybe?! If I want to call any of you 2 an idiot and you start arguing, that you aren't, than we have a nice discussion maybe,but none of you 2 could proof, that I am wrong !! Counterargument will be, that I am the one actually. If you think so, than I am 50% right already. That means, that my argument, that you are the one has a better chance to be right also ! What was the argument ?? You don't have to read it. I personally find it more entertaining than the usual "lol, i pwnd a nub today. omfgwin!"-threads. Originally by: General Coochie So maybe I was wrong. ... And if someone would ask me now, maybe I would say that personally I am inclined to think most are fake based on experiences in eve, however other players think they are not. Fine...
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.15 20:26:00 - [110] I would just like to announce all bounties aren't fake, I got my first one today for being nice to someone I killed . 2008.02.15 20:18 Just wanted to say thanks, and I put the bounty on your head. ;op maybe it'll be the start on your way to the top! Take Care-******



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