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Yo Mommy
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.11 01:30:00 -
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Mine is real. Tho not very impressive... But I'd rather have a small real one than a large fake one.
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Praxis1452
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.11 02:23:00 -
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I got 10 million. I didn't put it on there hehe.
I got an afk maelstrom at the gate and ziro'faldan and I pushed it 150km off the gate. He did most of it actually, I was just sitting afk at the gate probably doing something else and he asked if I wanted in.
It was like a 2 month old noob and put 10 million bounties on both of us. I hope he didn't even insure it.
I could've actually made some isk if I got somebody in my corp to pod me and split it, cause atm I've got +3's in and it's not worth it. Still, I like the wanted sign. I could have just podded myself and put 5k isk on for that wanted sign but it just felt wrong.
ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.11 09:07:00 -
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Why can't us + people get donations on our heads, so if we happen to get podded by you evil ones we ourself get the donations  That might make it worth dying for? lol
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.11 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 11/02/2008 10:34:58
If you disregard common sense and ppls personal observations as facts, you can disregard most science we have today as it all builds on common sense and the assumption that time is linear and that things that happened many times before will happen again. Science in general is founded on the assumption that things that happen often, will happen again.
In the same way as you expect a pen to drop to the floor when you let it go from your hand above the floor, I can expect ppl to get new bounties shortly after being podded, having a high rate of funny looking bounties. The difference is the number of observations made. I might not have done enough observations to be scientifically correct to state what I stated. Note however that the only thing that makes my statement/argument possibly invalid is that I haven't done enough observations. So how many observations should I make? This is up to the scientific community to decide. Since our scientific community at the time consists of two ppl its kinda hard making progress.
If all assumptions and statements needed to have a scientific validity and not be based on common sense and personal observations we wouldn't say much at all. Did you know that Einsteins famous theory had no "proof" (some additional years later it was proven not to be 100% accurate) until some 10-20 years later? Einstein simply "thought" out his theory. For him that was common sense. Still his theory got a huge impact on science. What if Einstein expressed him self in terms of, I think that maybe matter can't move faster then the speed of light, cause maybe the time unit isn't fixed. Do you think ppl would taken him seriously? A scientist needs to be passionate about his theories to get the scientific community's eyes on them.
This is where your expectations grow to high, you expect me to have the same amount of well documented data as most science. This simply won't happen when we are talking about a MMORPG game.
Now you have provided data that shows that my statement might be wrong. Fine. I can change my statement/theory to: Most bounties above 50m are fake, except the top 10(?) bounties in eve.
This is called adding an ad hoc solution to my theory. In some cases these are the ones that makes science evolve. However to many ad hoc solutions degenerate the fundamental theory. And if to many a scientist can not but to reject his original theory.
Yeah my theory is still: Most bounties over 50mill are fake.
I still don't think anyone to actually believe I'm a master mind and take my first post statement as a law that cannot be broken. By common sense everyone reading that should understand its my theory. I don't have to go about making that clear to everyone.
I and everyone else see things, assume things and conclude things without scientific data and express ourselves in terms of "He is always late for work", "they always play this song on the club" "At 12 o clock the church bell will ring" in every day life. In fact that clock might not ring at 12 o clock cause Quasimodo got sick. So by your way of viewing everyday talk and expressions one should say. "The church clock might ring at 12 o clock because it does most days however it might if something happened to Quasimodo".
I don't in every day life and I shouldn't have to on a forum about an online game either. For me a forum is a place where ppl can talk about whatever and express themselves however they like not a scientific community where we must express ourselves scientifically correct.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 11/02/2008 11:03:33
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Did you fail to realize that this was an example drawn to its extreme or did you simply ignore it making it sound like IÆm actually considering it to devalue the argument?
The example has the same principles as your actions: Accusations without obligation to back it up, but drawn to the extreme.
You seem to think that method is fine. Which would mean that I too can make accusations (loggoffski, fake bounty and dreadful jokes) about you without having to back it up (E.g. ôNor do I have an obligation to prove that my method is "tight". I'm free to be judgmental. And I can be judgmental about what ever I like.ö), right?
I am free to be judgmental about whatever I like. However my morals tell me what is ok and not.
You can't take a moral argument and take it to the extreme to prove something. Because morals are a personal value between extremes.
I draw the line where I said I did. Also it seems its only bellum so far that might have taken it a bit offending and maybe you. No one else seems to have reacted to it, so I think I drawn the line perfectly fine. I can live with upsetting a few sensitive egos.
If you think its ok to draw a moral to its extreme to prove something, make such a post. But you wont nor will I. Why? Because there is a significant moral difference in making such a post and making the statement I did.
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Grim Starwind
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Grim Starwind on 11/02/2008 11:15:06
I think I just wet myself at the walls of text on page 2 of this thread..
Anyway, I was a pirate for a long time and I recall getting a 5k bounty once which seemed random and pointless. Apart from that no one has ever given me a bounty and I would honestly wonder why anyone ever WOULD spend alot of money on handing out a bounty. Because the person dropping the bounty will never know when the other person dies.. So who cares.
They need to do something amazing with the bounty system to make it:-
a) worth while to hunt people with bounties
b) some form of contract to take out a hit
c) let the bounty placers know that their bounty has actually been killed in their name
Alot more but those are main points.. it would be good if say I put a bounty on someone, then someone accepts that bounty.. and through that they can contact agents (which they've had to do missions for to capture smaller bounties first being NPC's then being young players with smaller bounties in close range of the agents system) and the agents then give them information on details such as how often they log on, when they log on roughly, what system they spend most time in, or are currently in. That way you could setup a camp or something to kill them.. say using a team mate to watch them or even your own alt to sit in the system and watch their actions. then you swoop in and kill them.
THEN, the person who placed the bounty gets a message "Grim Starwind has carried out your bounty placement on 'x' and has collected the payment."
BING!! Grim Starwinds Bounty points +100! ... - which I now use to purchase certain goods from the bounty catalogue at the Bounty Guilds office in the station (Like the Loyalty Points for current agents).
Erm, yeah.
EDIT: To add - This would make it more fun for myself, I'd actually log on to chase a bounty or even sit for a while watching from a station etc about a bounty in the system to see when he logs on myself etc. maybe even setup a fake contract for them to collect an item then when they leave the station PEW PEW they die. You know, LOADS of stuff. Pirates might think "oh no, don't do that.. then people will actually know where I am and come looking for me." Yeah well that's a good thing, if I do recall as a pirate i was sometimes bored that people just hid in stations lol, also it might give you an even bigger E-peen to know you do have a legit bounty on your head and that no one has managed to take it regardless of how many pro bounty hunters there may be. It would also make it more worth while for people to PLACE those bounties to know that "justice" will be served.. so to speak :)
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:29:00 -
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The day before yesterday, my corp mate noticed a 1mil bounty on my head. Got no idea who put it there, I haven't even recently blown up anyone noobish enough to place a bounty.
I'd love to know who placed it, though.
I don't even consider myself a pirate but now I'm looking like one. Funny stuff.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: General Coochie
Edited by: General Coochie on 11/02/2008 10:38:50
If you disregard common sense and ppls personal observations as facts, you can disregard most science we have today as it all builds on common sense and the assumption that time is linear and that things that happened many times before will happen again. Science in general is founded on the assumption that things that happen often, will happen again.
In the same way as you expect a pen to drop to the floor when you let it go from your hand above the floor, I can expect ppl to get new bounties shortly after being podded, having a high rate of funny looking bounties. The difference is the number of observations made. I might not have done enough observations to be scientifically correct to state what I stated. Note however that the only thing that makes my statement/argument possibly invalid is that I haven't done enough observations. So how many observations should I make? This is up to the scientific community to decide. Since our scientific community at the time consists of two ppl its kinda hard making progress.
To prove a theory one must prvide proof. You can't simply say "According to my experience X is Y, but I won't provide any proof of this". I can't be arsed to discuss this further with you since you simply disregard the very basic rules of a discussion. There simply is no point of any attempt of a serious debate when you clearly don't understand the importance of backing up claims with sound arguments.
Discussing with you is to reason with a three year old. It seems that if you would have it your way the discussions on eve-o would come down to a "is not! is too! is not!"-fest.
Fact is: You have stated something as a state of fact not as a theory or a expression of your opinion. If you now claim that this was your theory then your initial statement are built wrong and should be edited.
You can decide if you want the initial claim to be a statement of fact (which then would require sound arguments to back up) or a theory (in which case you need to change the structure of the sentence).
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Vrikshaka
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: El Verbatim
I guess a lot of them are fake but not all....
I would like to be able to see who put money on my head though, even more, I'd like it a lot if everyone else could see too who put money on your head. This would for sure reduce self-placed bounties.
this is a good idea ^
/signed. Simple and effective.
I wouldn't mind if CCP got creative and took the bounty system way further than that, but it would definitely be a good beginning.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.11 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 11/02/2008 21:01:14
Edited by: General Coochie on 11/02/2008 20:58:00
Plz define what proof is needed. No natural science or theory can EVER be proved unless its a mathematical one (and even some mathematical theories cannot be proven). It can just be regarded as a high probability not to be wrong. You don't seem to understand basic scientific procedure and Philosophy of science and what science really is.
All proof in natural science is based on personal experiences (repeated observations under similar conditions) so how can you disregard mine?
That is why you don't understand what I'm talking about.
I'm sorry but it isn't my ability to discuss thats the problem, its your lack of knowledge about how science work.
You seem to think that science is something fundamental and that a theory actually can be proven? A theory is accepted once it has been tested for a long time because common sense tells us the theory is of use to us. A theory doesn't have to be right either, as long as it serves science and humanity in a good way in can be accepted but NEVER regarded as the fundamental truth.
However a scientist can still express what he believes in terms of. "Matter cannot travel faster then light" He doesn't have to every time make clear that you never can be right in science and or prove something. Everyone in the scientific community knows that it works this way.
You totally disregard everything I said about my proof. You also haven't addressed my point about this being a public forum where language is closer to everyday chat and not scientific correct statements.
Are you actually saying in every day life when someone asks about the train time "The train arrives at 7 because it usually does, however it might not arrive for various reasons its just my theory". No you don't you say "The train arrives at 7". and the person asking doesn't ask for proof.. In the very same way I declare my statement.
You might consider eve forums to be some scientific network of "truth" but I think you are not among the majority if you do.
And you might give up your crusade for proof now but fact is: You haven't proved or disproved anything. My statement stands and as far as I know I'm right.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.02.11 21:48:00 -
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No, they are not all fake. People add to my bounty all the time.
I was up to 141 mil before I lost a pod due to lag. Already back up to 5 mil.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.11 23:15:00 -
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Ok this has gotten to be one of the dumbest threads ever.
#1 - You can't say that ALL bounties are fake or real because there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule.
#2 - Who gives a crap if the bounty is real or not. Theres money on his head, so POD HIM.
3# - Trying to use intelligent logic to prove a stupid point that cannot be proven or disproven creates a paradox which rips open the fabric of the spacetime continuum which will suck in not only you and all your loved ones, but your pet gerbil too... yeah, I went there.
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Dimitry Kalashnikov
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2008.02.13 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
I've found that the more "random" they look the faker they are. For example:
1,665,932 Isk bounty: FAKE
1,000,000 Isk bounty: REAL
Now of course this isn't written in stone, its just my observation.
Whoever just bountied me with 1,665,932 isk, VEEEEERY funny. -_-
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2008.02.13 06:48:00 -
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One day I logged in and one of my corpmates said "Oh, look, ten million reasons why I should kill you today..."
I was like "Huh?" and then they said someone put 10m on my head. I laughed, but whatever. A month later it was 18m, then 20m, then 21 something... I have no idea who keeps putting money on my head but I thank you. Hopefully by the time I retire it'll be in the hundreds of billions or something.  I consider it a retirement plan.
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Forando
Interstellar Cowards
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:34:00 -
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Oi! Oi! Girls! Please don't fight. Can't we all just get along, on the forum? And if you have to fight, do so with pillows and bras!
(these forums kinda lack a way to ignore users, it could spare one a lot of pointless scrolling, if you ask me!)
Bounties!
Yeah, I laugh at them. Recently my crossed paths with a guy with 1337 isk on his head, I rushed to a station with a bounty office to add 1 isk to that. I found out he was so carebear that it wouldn't accept my noble donation. Now, how leet is that?
Nah, I think a solution as pay-per-corpse is much more effective!
Enjoy, and fly safe..
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Yesh
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Yesh on 13/02/2008 11:47:33
I had a measly 650k bounty for ages, then a relative noob put a 25mil bounty on me for killing a T1 fitted myrmidon (I know this because I got a love and kisses evemail from the victim  ). I know 25 mil isn't ground breaking, but every so often someone gets upset enough to place a big bounty and eventually they all add up to a huge bounty if you can avoid getting podded (pretty easy to do in low sec).
At present the bounty system is all about venting anger. There should be penalties related to bounties to make them worth placing such as having to pay 2% of your bounty to dock in a station or use a star gate or something like that.
As to fake bounties, I rekon the ones that show 666666 are self inflicted by people who like others to think they are the devil. I always add a few random numbers to those if I see them to mess it up. Does that turn it in to a genuine bounty tho?
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:41:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Forando
Edited by: Forando on 13/02/2008 11:35:26
Oi! Oi! Girls! Please don't fight. Can't we all just get along, on the forum? And if you have to fight, do so with pillows and bras!
(these forums kinda lack a way to ignore users, it could spare one a lot of pointless scrolling, if you ask me!)
Sorry for cluttering up the thread. Felt I needed to defend myself. It was no fight just a discussion, well atleast until Fina resorted to personal attacks.
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eve warrior
Minmatar
Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Corstaad
Just wondering I've pirated for abit and got nothing. I thought before some patch you got a auto bounty for poding but I might be wrong.
I have always found that a little smack with the kill gets bountys  . I personaly have never had more than 13mill at a time but we have had corp mates with 100 to 250mill bountys place on them. Free isk is always great. 
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Taedrin
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:49:00 -
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I would like to think that Verone's bounty isn't fake, but I have no idea.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 21:52:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Cpt Fina on 13/02/2008 21:53:13
Originally by: General Coochie
Originally by: Forando
Edited by: Forando on 13/02/2008 11:35:26
Oi! Oi! Girls! Please don't fight. Can't we all just get along, on the forum? And if you have to fight, do so with pillows and bras!
(these forums kinda lack a way to ignore users, it could spare one a lot of pointless scrolling, if you ask me!)
Sorry fo
r cluttering up the thread. Felt I needed to defend myself. It was no fight just a discussion, well atleast until Fina resorted to personal attacks.
And I felt I needed to make you verify your (baseless) accusation, well atlest till I realized that you actually believe the **** you were posting.
For your own sake, please don't discuss anything of any importance IRL, you'd get laughed at.
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Kell Braugh
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kell Braugh on 13/02/2008 22:24:16
(To avoid getting someone's panties all in a bunch) its my opinion that its about a 70/30 split of fake/real. of the fake ones i think its prolly 50/50 of bounties put on by a corp mate just for kicks and bounties put on by the person's alt for pseudo-epeen.
All and all though, its just the real ones you gotta watch out for, and you *usually* don't know if its real or fake till the fight is over and which side of the KM you are on. Then you'll know. 
I know i've had a bounty once but found out it came from a friend who was just playing around (was like 50k--almost nothing)
I've claimed bounties twice, one for about 25mil that was paid to me [prolly real] and one 250mil that was from a single npc-corp player a little over 2 months old [prolly fake, and also prolly buying iskies] (on a sidenote he actually asked to split it with me after i podded him while smartbombing some barges in highsec  )
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov
I've found that the more "random" they look the faker they are. For example:
1,665,932 Isk bounty: FAKE
1,000,000 Isk bounty: REAL
Now of course this isn't written in stone, its just my observation.
Whoever just bountied me with 1,665,932 isk, VEEEEERY funny. -_-
Owned.
I swear mine is 165,420... dunno who trimmed the change off of their wallet
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Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Naridos
Caldari
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:39:00 -
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My original bounty when i first got one was 1,487,677.51 ISK. Someone must have dumped their whole wallet in on my bounty and then when someone placed a second bounty on my head they were nice enough to even out the numbers for some reason... as if it mattered Now its up to 20.5 mil.
Quote:
You Know you play too much Eve when you get into a car crash and you run away as fast as you can so that you don't get podded.
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Saint Schala
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:43:00 -
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Most ive ever had was 24mill isk . My alt has a 500K bounty on, Ive never placed a bounty on myself and never podded myself to get the isk.
I have however placed a fake 13371337 isk bounty on a corpmate for lolz.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:46:00 -
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I think really it comes down to luck and ****ing off the right person. Generally I'm usaully pretty nice and give people options if I have there pod so I think it cools them down abit. That said I've rolled a alt and got people to get concorded by telling them how to unlock secure cans in High Sec. They actually whined they couldn't put a bounty on my head because of sec status.
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Donovan Killar
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.13 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Furion iV
Got much spare time on your hands? I'm sure you've got something better to do than argue on EVEo forums.
If you got something to add to the discussion then please do so. Otherwise let people discuss whatever they like, for whatever the time they like.
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Furion iV
I deem probabilty to be enough proof to state that they are in the majority fake. Although there are other variables to be taken into account, this one is the most influential. It is like stating that people who are wearing the tools of a plumber, is infact an electrician. Chances are they could be, but it will be presumed that they are a plumber.
Good for you. But I'm not discussing this with you atm. If you still feel that you want to discuss this with me after coochie and I are done then feel free to say so and I'll consider it.
This.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.14 02:39:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Donovan Killar
This.
This what?
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Donovan Killar
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.14 02:48:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Donovan Killar
This.
This what?
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.14 03:35:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Donovan Killar
If you found it contradictive then say so.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:23:00 -
[90]
Edited by: General Coochie on 14/02/2008 11:27:06
Originally by: Cpt Fina
For your own sake, please don't discuss anything of any importance IRL, you'd get laughed at.
From personal experience I can tell you that that isn't the case. Off course you totally disregard personal experiences so I realize saying so doesn't make much difference.
Since this now has turned into something quite different then a discussion I feel we can just leave it at, we having very different opinions about how one should act on a forum, express themselves and whats needed in terms of proof and to make a statement as I did (note: not what proof is needed to make the statement true scientificly)
(I also did warn you about starting a discussion on the forums considering metaphysics and what proof is. You could have said "no I don't wanna do that" and we wouldn't have come to this in the first place. Cause obviously one can have very different philosophical stand points, and arguing against someone with a different one usually doesn't yield anything, if open minded maybe an understanding of what the other person is talking about, but you can never expect the other person to convert to your beliefs)
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