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Jessica Molla	Posted - 2008.02.09 18:55:00 - [31] Originally by: X340 After playing around with fittings, in-game and then in EFT...I don't understand why people so often bash the Ferox, when the Brutix needs to be bashed twice as much. At least the ferox offers a different weapons platform when compared to the drake, while otherwise being worse in every way. But the brutix offers nothing. The myrimidon can use the same weapons system, and use it better. The extra low slots for damage mods, along with mids for more web/speed, makes it better in every way. Drones are just a bonus. Can we see some sort of boost to the brutix to make it worth something? It is _relatively_ useless. I also wouldn't mind seeing the Ferox and other underpowered ships brought in line to make them worth using. Man, as somebody already said...you fail...and fail badly... Next time before you post such crapp, try to log on TQ or SISI, sit in the ships you are talking about and try them...EFT is..ehm..not enough. Trust me;) btw...brutix can be an awesome ship. Honestly i prefer to fly a brutix than a myrmidon(and yes my drone SP are quite high)
Sedai Hara The Forsakened Companions Pure.	Posted - 2008.02.09 19:16:00 - [32] As many have stated, you fail What if said pilot doesnt have drone skills? what i remember not all of us got "Alls skills at V" from EFT. Likewise you can say the pilot doesnt have great gunnery skills? But ohwell, as the OP stated they cover the exact same roll, we all know drones and hybrid turrets are exactly the same... oh wait... Also: i want to see a myrmidon work in fleets, great whatching the drones flying around and get halfway there once the primary pop. Here the brutix can deal instant damage. But hey that isnt viable is it? As that isnt take into account in EFT? EFT is Eve, we just play a simulator of it. ----------------------------- Originally by: Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.09 20:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 09/02/2008 18:39:12 7 Neutron Blaster 2's w/void Named 10mn MWD Web Scram II small cap booster II 3 Mag stab II's 1 DCU II 1 PDS II 5 Hammerhead II's 870 DPS, almost 1000 DPS when you overload the weapons.. all for around 40 million ISK w/modules.. Yeah, its a really crappy ship lol, and u die to first myrm who has MAR instead of a MFS:)
Mortis Tyrathlion Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:49:00 - [34] ...no, I'm not seeing this. Haven't flown BCs for a while, but back in my belt-roaming piracy days (Yarr ^^), I was very fond of my Brutixes on the occasions I bought one instead of a Thorax. One of my corpmates loves the Myrmidon, but, much the same as the discussion of Dominix vs Megathron, it's a case of personal preference of what poison you want to force on someone. Myself, the fact that you can spit out ECM drones from the 'tix and have a relatively small reduction in damage is all the inclination I need. Don't get me wrong, I love droneboats, but you can fit a 'tix out cheaply and effectively for less than the Myrmidon's hull. Apart from flirting with the Hurricane, the 'tix is the only PvP BC I'd consider flying. Cyclone requires weird fitting, to my mind, Myrmidon requires too much investment to get good results and is less useful on a gatecamp etc., Ferox and Drake fail at damage, Prophecy and Harby are too cap-hungry. And the Proph fails at damage. So yes, on paper, the Myrm is better than the 'tix. Have a cookie. I'll still take my 'tix, thank you. - Originally by: Arcon Telf OP, you should be honored, because this is the first time in my short Eve career I've felt the need to say this: Azeroth is that way ------>
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.02.10 01:35:00 - [35] Argument is flawed simply because the Myrm and Brutix use different weapon systems, which the op has already stated is enough to make two ships unsimiliar. Brutix operates better under sentry fire. Brutix fights better against smartbombing hostiles (carriers?). Examples of its different "roles"; that you also gave to the ferox to justify its weaknesses to the drake.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:03:00 - [36] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: X340 Originally by: Antodias Sorry, what? Did you miss the part where I called the brutix useless? Try reading next time. No, I think he saw it. A brutix can put down 900dps, and has the hitpoints of a battlecruiser. It uses turrets for it's primary DPS. Myrmidon uses drones. Ergo, different weapon systems. Brutix remains the only of the tier 1 BCs that are worth using, on merits alone. 900 DPS? Really? From a Brutix? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:37:00 - [37] This has to be a troll thread...
Tarron Sarek Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:43:00 - [38] Thread fails. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Jin Entres You'll kill a Brutix faster than you'll kill the drones. A webbed drone (even a heavy drone with hitpoint bonuses) is extremely easy, and fast, to kill for most ships. And if you're using missiles you don't even need to web medium and heavy drones to kill them.
Galcray Gallente Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:01:00 - [40] The OP is pure fail, EFT gladiators are pure fail. The Brutix is the BEST tier 1 BC and an amazing gank ship. Fitting 7 Electron II's and a dual MAR setup is AMAZING solo. And the 7 Neutron II setup is the BEST gank BC bar none. On a Myrm most of your DPS will (likely) be coming from drones, which can be popped. I would like to see you blow up all of my guns, you wont do it, you'll have to pop me first. _____________ I have ridden the mighty moon worm.
Dimitrius Zabelle	Posted - 2008.02.10 04:34:00 - [41] Hi You know.. The Brutix is tier1, and the Myrmidon is tier2 so duh! And the Brutix offers far from "nothing" it's got pretty damn good weapons with half-decent survivability. The Ferox lacks oomph in damage output in comparison, but is getting boosted in that regard soon. In the future try to make your troll posts make sense first :)
benzss The Highwayman Union	Posted - 2008.02.10 05:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Jin Entres You'll kill a Brutix faster than you'll kill the drones. A webbed drone (even a heavy drone with hitpoint bonuses) is extremely easy, and fast, to kill for most ships. And if you're using missiles you don't even need to web medium and heavy drones to kill them. Assuming the pilot has no idea what to do with his/her drones. Anyone with half a brain knows how to handle them.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.10 06:18:00 - [43] Originally by: benzss Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Jin Entres You'll kill a Brutix faster than you'll kill the drones. A webbed drone (even a heavy drone with hitpoint bonuses) is extremely easy, and fast, to kill for most ships. And if you're using missiles you don't even need to web medium and heavy drones to kill them. Assuming the pilot has no idea what to do with his/her drones. Anyone with half a brain knows how to handle them. No, the above assumes that the person fighting against the drone user doesn't know what to do.
X340	Posted - 2008.02.10 08:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 09/02/2008 18:39:12 7 Neutron Blaster 2's w/void Named 10mn MWD Web Scram II small cap booster II 3 Mag stab II's 1 DCU II 1 PDS II 5 Hammerhead II's 870 DPS, almost 1000 DPS when you overload the weapons.. all for around 40 million ISK w/modules.. Yeah, its a really crappy ship Wow, good job reading the original post. Now let's go into a little detail about why you're an idiot: According to EFT, the setup you show does 840 dps, not 870. A myrmidon with the same setup does 705 dps, but a much better tank (or speed if you want). Also, either better cap or additional ewar. The minor DPS bonus from the brutix is even more insignificant when you consider that its max range is __3.4__ km, with 3.1 falloff. With any setup with actual range, the damage bonus is just laughable, making the myrmidon clearly better in the guns role (and the anti-drone argument works both ways. Brutix loses around 200dps from getting its drones killed, while myrmidon can have many more to release if the first 5 even do get killed).
the member Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.02.10 10:31:00 - [45] it's all good X340, i talked to your parents and they promised not to leave you exposed to a direct sun for extended period of time ever again. :). now please calm down. everything is going to be alright :) Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 10:33:00 - [46] Edited by: General Coochie on 10/02/2008 10:33:53 Originally by: X340 Originally by: Rastigan Edited by: Rastigan on 09/02/2008 18:39:12 7 Neutron Blaster 2's w/void Named 10mn MWD Web Scram II small cap booster II 3 Mag stab II's 1 DCU II 1 PDS II 5 Hammerhead II's 870 DPS, almost 1000 DPS when you overload the weapons.. all for around 40 million ISK w/modules.. Yeah, its a really crappy ship Wow, good job reading the original post. Now let's go into a little detail about why you're an idiot: According to EFT, the setup you show does 840 dps, not 870. A myrmidon with the same setup does 705 dps, but a much better tank (or speed if you want). Also, either better cap or additional ewar. The minor DPS bonus from the brutix is even more insignificant when you consider that its max range is __3.4__ km, with 3.1 falloff. With any setup with actual range, the damage bonus is just laughable, making the myrmidon clearly better in the guns role (and the anti-drone argument works both ways. Brutix loses around 200dps from getting its drones killed, while myrmidon can have many more to release if the first 5 even do get killed). How can you argue that the brutix doesn't have a different role when its got more then 100dps more then the myrm? And actually it IS 870 dps according to my EFT. Myrm gets 740 dps with 4 magstabs. So 130 dps extra. (17.5 %) In other words the Brutix is much better then the myrm for pure dps. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.02.10 13:41:00 - [47] Do you people read the thread before you reply? First of all, I don't agree with the OP that Brutix is useless. But compared to Myrmidon, it offers very little. Originally by: Magazaki See, there is the matter of weaponry - guns and drones are used quite differently, making the two ships markedly different in use anyway. Ship bonuses are secondary, ship performance is what really matters, and a brutix works quite differently than the myrmidon even if the bonuses seem similar... Myrmidon uses guns aswell. You can use it exactly like Brutix. Originally by: Rastigan 7 Neutron Blaster 2's w/void Named 10mn MWD Web Scram II small cap booster II 3 Mag stab II's 1 DCU II 1 PDS II 5 Hammerhead II's 870 DPS, almost 1000 DPS when you overload the weapons.. all for around 40 million ISK w/modules.. That very same fitting on the Myrmidon yields 823 DPS with my skills. Except you don't need the PDS for grid and you have an extra low and an extra mid. Originally by: Sedai Hara What if said pilot doesnt have drone skills? what i remember not all of us got "Alls skills at V" from EFT. Likewise you can say the pilot doesnt have great gunnery skills? As said, less skills neeeded is a benefit for the Brutix. But it has no bearing on their objective performance comparison. Originally by: Sedai Hara Also: i want to see a myrmidon work in fleets, great whatching the drones flying around and get halfway there once the primary pop. Here the brutix can deal instant damage. But hey that isnt viable is it? As that isnt take into account in EFT? Newsflash: Blasters need to get in range, too and Brutix is slower than drones. If you fit rails, you can also fit sentry drones. Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion So yes, on paper, the Myrm is better than the 'tix. Have a cookie. I'll still take my 'tix, thank you. And it is indeed your right to prefer it, as long as you don't attempt to use that as an argument for its performance. Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion the fact that you can spit out ECM drones from the 'tix Myrmidon's extra mid slot fitted with ECM makes up for that, not to mention that Brutix loses its already very little damage output edge if it doesn't use drones for damage aswell. Originally by: Reem Fairchild A webbed drone (even a heavy drone with hitpoint bonuses) is extremely easy, and fast, to kill for most ships. And if you're using missiles you don't even need to web medium and heavy drones to kill them. So go ahead and ignore my other points. Originally by: Galcray The Brutix is the BEST tier 1 BC and an amazing gank ship Yes it may indeed. That does not make it better than the Myrmidon, however, and as such it lacks a role and becomes only an intermediate ship optimal only for those with lower SP and less ISK (though not substantially). Originally by: General Coochie It has 700 dps from turrets wheres myrmidon has 500. When you account for the extra low slot, the difference in turret damage output shrinks to 18%, which the bonused drones more than make up for. Originally by: General Coochie It does fill a different role (DPS and not having to rely on drones) how can you argue against that? The degree to which Myrmidon has to rely on drones if it is fitted similarly to a damage oriented Brutix is rather negligible, as demonstrated. Myrmidon can fill the "damage dealing role" aswell. And the damage you get to actually deal in combat depends very much on how long you survive to be able to, which is what Myrmidon does much better. It is ironic how many replies display "EFT warrior" hate and then fail to understand combat beyond "omfg Brutix does XXXX DPS". You will find, in fact, that Brutixes get called primary a lot exactly because they deal a lot of damage while being paper thin. --- CEO
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.02.10 14:15:00 - [48] No need to gloat over how Gallente get two awesome BCs, and all the other races only get one. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.10 14:31:00 - [49] Originally by: X340 The minor DPS bonus from the brutix is even more insignificant when you consider that its max range is __3.4__ km, with 3.1 falloff. With any setup with actual range, the damage bonus is just laughable, making the myrmidon clearly better in the guns role (and the anti-drone argument works both ways. Brutix loses around 200dps from getting its drones killed, while myrmidon can have many more to release if the first 5 even do get killed). So, basically you're saying that the Thorax is useless compared to the Vexor and the Deimos is useless compared to the Ishtar.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.10 14:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Jin Entres The degree to which Myrmidon has to rely on drones if it is fitted similarly to a damage oriented Brutix is rather negligible, Maybe so if you have battlecruiser skill only trained to 1. But if you have your skills trained up, that's 20-25% less damage from each gun (of which the Myrmidon already has one less than the Brutix to start with).
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention Reavers.	Posted - 2008.02.10 15:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Jin Entres The degree to which Myrmidon has to rely on drones if it is fitted similarly to a damage oriented Brutix is rather negligible, Maybe so if you have battlecruiser skill only trained to 1. But if you have your skills trained up, that's 20-25% less damage from each gun (of which the Myrmidon already has one less than the Brutix to start with). Don't forget the extra low slot which means Myrmi can always have 1 more damage mod than Brutix. Here's how the damages look (only guns considered) with BC V, my gunnery skills, 7 Neutrons with Void on Brutix and 6 Neutrons with Void on Myrmi: Brutix 0 dmod 457 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 386 (18.4% more) Brutix 1 dmod 562 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 461 (21.9% more) Brutix 2 dmod 673 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 519 (29.67% more) Brutix 3 dmod 756 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 550 (37.45% more) In other words, if you kill a Myrmidon's drones, it will still do from 62% to 82% of a Brutix's damage. And when we add drone damage to the figures, it looks like this: Brutix 0 dmod 606 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 690 (13.9% less) Brutix 1 dmod 711 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 765 (7.6% less) Brutix 2 dmod 822 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 823 (0.1% less) Brutix 3 dmod 905 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 854 (6.0% more) So, unless you fit 3 damage mods on the Brutix, you will get less damage. Only when you fit three will you get more, and a scarcely meaningful increase at that. In conclusion, based on the empiria, I don't see a justified "role" that could not be performed equally well if not better by Myrmidon most of the time. --- CEO
X340	Posted - 2008.02.10 17:57:00 - [52] Edited by: X340 on 10/02/2008 17:58:42 Originally by: Jin Entres Don't forget the extra low slot which means Myrmi can always have 1 more damage mod than Brutix. Here's how the damages look (only guns considered) with BC V, my gunnery skills, 7 Neutrons with Void on Brutix and 6 Neutrons with Void on Myrmi: Brutix 0 dmod 457 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 386 (18.4% more) Brutix 1 dmod 562 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 461 (21.9% more) Brutix 2 dmod 673 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 519 (29.67% more) Brutix 3 dmod 756 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 550 (37.45% more) In other words, if you kill a Myrmidon's drones, it will still do from 62% to 82% of a Brutix's damage. And when we add drone damage to the figures, it looks like this: Brutix 0 dmod 606 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 690 (13.9% less) Brutix 1 dmod 711 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 765 (7.6% less) Brutix 2 dmod 822 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 823 (0.1% less) Brutix 3 dmod 905 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 854 (6.0% more) So, unless you fit 3 damage mods on the Brutix, you will get less damage. Only when you fit three will you get more, and a scarcely meaningful increase at that. In conclusion, based on the empiria, I don't see a justified "role" that could not be performed equally well if not better by Myrmidon most of the time. I appreciate you supporting my point, but what you've said has already been said by me and a few others in this thread already. I don't think the dimwits around here will understand the facts you've presented, even if we repeat it a hundred times. The only thing these pro-brutix people see is "+5% damage per level" and ignorantly automatically assume it is a better hybrid platform without considering the FACTS at hand. These are the same types of people that believe range has no importance in pvp, or tank (lol). edit: took out pyramid quote
Arcord Gallente Rytiri Lva	Posted - 2008.02.10 18:10:00 - [53] Edited by: Arcord on 10/02/2008 18:10:59 Originally by: X340 Edited by: X340 on 10/02/2008 17:58:42 Originally by: Jin Entres Don't forget the extra low slot which means Myrmi can always have 1 more damage mod than Brutix. Here's how the damages look (only guns considered) with BC V, my gunnery skills, 7 Neutrons with Void on Brutix and 6 Neutrons with Void on Myrmi: Brutix 0 dmod 457 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 386 (18.4% more) Brutix 1 dmod 562 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 461 (21.9% more) Brutix 2 dmod 673 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 519 (29.67% more) Brutix 3 dmod 756 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 550 (37.45% more) In other words, if you kill a Myrmidon's drones, it will still do from 62% to 82% of a Brutix's damage. And when we add drone damage to the figures, it looks like this: Brutix 0 dmod 606 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 690 (13.9% less) Brutix 1 dmod 711 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 765 (7.6% less) Brutix 2 dmod 822 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 823 (0.1% less) Brutix 3 dmod 905 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 854 (6.0% more) So, unless you fit 3 damage mods on the Brutix, you will get less damage. Only when you fit three will you get more, and a scarcely meaningful increase at that. In conclusion, based on the empiria, I don't see a justified "role" that could not be performed equally well if not better by Myrmidon most of the time. I appreciate you supporting my point, but what you've said has already been said by me and a few others in this thread already. I don't think the dimwits around here will understand the facts you've presented, even if we repeat it a hundred times. The only thing these pro-brutix people see is "+5% damage per level" and ignorantly automatically assume it is a better hybrid platform without considering the FACTS at hand. These are the same types of people that believe range has no importance in pvp, or tank (lol). edit: took out pyramid quote i LOL at you. How old are you? 12-13? because you are a huge fail..AND yes i really really really did read what you posted(just in case you'd pull that out against me) brutix and myrmidon are both completely differet ships...get over it. Brutix is far from obsolete or inferior...its a fun ship to fly and if you think that your myrm is better. come and try to take my brutix down. I believe it would be another fail of yours. BTW- did i mention that i think YOU sir are an idiot? goog luck making even bigger joke out of yourself
X340	Posted - 2008.02.10 20:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Arcord i LOL at you. How old are you? 12-13? because you are a huge fail..AND yes i really really really did read what you posted(just in case you'd pull that out against me) brutix and myrmidon are both completely differet ships...get over it. Brutix is far from obsolete or inferior...its a fun ship to fly and if you think that your myrm is better. come and try to take my brutix down. I believe it would be another fail of yours. BTW- did i mention that i think YOU sir are an idiot? goog luck making even bigger joke out of yourself What? I don't get it. Are you really so blind that you don't see the stats posted right infront of you? "completely different ships" - what? Get over your ignorance, fool.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.10 20:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Jin Entres The degree to which Myrmidon has to rely on drones if it is fitted similarly to a damage oriented Brutix is rather negligible, Maybe so if you have battlecruiser skill only trained to 1. But if you have your skills trained up, that's 20-25% less damage from each gun (of which the Myrmidon already has one less than the Brutix to start with). Don't forget the extra low slot which means Myrmi can always have 1 more damage mod than Brutix. Here's how the damages look (only guns considered) with BC V, my gunnery skills, 7 Neutrons with Void on Brutix and 6 Neutrons with Void on Myrmi: Brutix 0 dmod 457 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 386 (18.4% more) Brutix 1 dmod 562 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 461 (21.9% more) Brutix 2 dmod 673 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 519 (29.67% more) Brutix 3 dmod 756 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 550 (37.45% more) In other words, if you kill a Myrmidon's drones, it will still do from 62% to 82% of a Brutix's damage. And when we add drone damage to the figures, it looks like this: Brutix 0 dmod 606 \| Myrmidon 1 dmod 690 (13.9% less) Brutix 1 dmod 711 \| Myrmidon 2 dmod 765 (7.6% less) Brutix 2 dmod 822 \| Myrmidon 3 dmod 823 (0.1% less) Brutix 3 dmod 905 \| Myrmidon 4 dmod 854 (6.0% more) So, unless you fit 3 damage mods on the Brutix, you will get less damage. Only when you fit three will you get more, and a scarcely meaningful increase at that. In conclusion, based on the empiria, I don't see a justified "role" that could not be performed equally well if not better by Myrmidon most of the time. You are camping a low sec gate as a pirate for an extended amount of time and you still don't think that a 100-200 dps advantage (depending on amount of dmg mods) in turret dps isn't beneficial to the brutix? The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Mortuus Minmatar Occassus Republica Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.10 20:49:00 - [56] Except ones DPS is easily stopped by any ship with a half decent fit, the other requires speed or ECM to avoid. Also for roaming PvP the Brutix is again, better. Losing the fight, don't have time to recall drones? Shoot your Myrm pilot is now useless except as bait. Brutix can keep on going. Occassus Republica <3
Arcord Gallente Rytiri Lva	Posted - 2008.02.10 20:51:00 - [57] Edited by: Arcord on 10/02/2008 20:54:15 Edited by: Arcord on 10/02/2008 20:53:18 Originally by: X340 What? I don't get it. Are you really so blind that you don't see the stats posted right infront of you? "completely different ships" - what? Get over your ignorance, fool.[/quote i am soo glad that you said that...because that was my point the whole time eve is not EFT try to log on TQ sometimes...maybe you'll be surpirsed by what you find
X340	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Arcord Edited by: Arcord on 10/02/2008 20:54:15 Edited by: Arcord on 10/02/2008 20:53:18 Originally by: X340 What? I don't get it. Are you really so blind that you don't see the stats posted right infront of you? "completely different ships" - what? Get over your ignorance, fool.[/quote i am soo glad that you said that...because that was my point the whole time eve is not EFT try to log on TQ sometimes...maybe you'll be surpirsed by what you find What's your point? How does that help your argument? You blatantly admit they are very similar, yet myrmidon beats the brutix in almost all cases, as shown by many previous posts. So where does that leave the brutix? __Relatively worthless__, as I stated in the original post.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2008.02.10 21:59:00 - [59] Ok just one thing that I want to ask... If were throwing around or demanding buffs for some tier1 battlecruisers, can my Cyclone please get a buff also? I could do with some more speed, better agility and more shield hitpoints, Would be dandy... Thanks.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.10 22:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Nian Banks Ok just one thing that I want to ask... If were throwing around or demanding buffs for some tier1 battlecruisers, can my Cyclone please get a buff also? I could do with some more speed, better agility and more shield hitpoints, Would be dandy... Thanks. Yeah, the Cyclone actually needs it.

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