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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.09 23:47:00 -
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Guys
This one is probably older than the stars themselves.
I was asked tonight if I would "help out" in a level 4 mission in saisio; 3 jumps from my home base at Gekutami (well inside empire) by some guy called kalinnin or something from Perkone corp - funny how I didn't actually catch his name as I was half busy doing a trade run when the call came in.
So I got back to base unloaded my trade gear and set off in my trusty CNR trying to do this guy a favour and get him through his level 4 mission - Damsel In Distress. So, he invites me to his fleet and warps me off to the level 4 mission.
The only thing is it wasn't damsel in distress that was waiting for me when I emerged out of warp. I found myself greeted by 3 other ships all in yellow squares in the middle of nowehere all showing signs of EW.
There's something just not right here I thought. Any way my faction fitted ship had everything activated shield hardener & damage control wise so what the hell I thought, I took the decision to immediately log out. I thought with resists at virtually 90% for everything apart from EM (70%) I would survive more than a few volleys from anything these guys could lob at me whilst the trusty count down timer ticked away.
Immediately after I had logged, I activated my Second account grabbed a corp mate and headed off in the direction of where I had logged out with my other character.
So I logged back in to find my ship unscathed and 100% intact. Partly the reason I immediately logged out and did not put up a fight was that I was in a fleet with a guy I was supposed to be "Helping out" and didn't want agression initiated against or to and knowing I was in a fleet, I half suspected the 3 guys right in front of me would instantly join our fleet as it were making me fair game.
Not tonight Josephene.
Anyway on relogging nobody about and not a scratch on me.
I suspect that had I NOT immediately logged the 3 ships right in front would have initiated aggro right away having immediately joined the fleet. I would have been a target without a doubt and doubtless it would have been 4 vs 1.
Believe me I have been in worse before. But this is the first time I have been caught in this particular way.
The scam here relies on being in a fleet and agression being allowed. Clearly this is a scam and all should be aware.
Obviously protection is afforded by concorde in high sec but whilst in a fleet with "Mates" you don't have that protection.
Quitting the fleet would have been an option, but in the split second I decided to avoid the confrontation alltogether half suspecting that my "Fleet" status would immediately lapse.
Just a heads up for anyone that recieves a call for "Help" out of the blue.
I will be taking precuations in future which is a pitty because I actually like helping people out.
Anyway it's dog eat dog out there so just be aware that all might not be exactly as it seems.....
Regards
S1d
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:03:00 -
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we call that a lofty
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:24:00 -
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why can't you just leave the fleet? Do they still have permission to attack you after you leave for some reason?
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:36:00 -
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Good question.
What happens if they had joined the fleet? commenced agression against me AND then I'd quit the fleet? Would I have then come back under Concorde's protection once again? Would Concorde have stepped in? In theory yes, but I had "permitted" the initial agression by virtue of being in the fleet and so would Concorde have differentiated in such circumstances?
Tricky one if you ask me.
Wasn't worth risking and in the split second I had to ponder it, I thought logging gave the best possible outcome.
What would you have done?
Bet if you asked that question to ten people you'd get 10 different answers.
Sneaky trick anyway and grats to them for coming up with it.
I bet it yields a result more often than not.
Regards
S1d
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Shiner BockBeer
Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt
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Posted - 2008.02.10 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Shiner BockBeer on 10/02/2008 00:50:28
You've almost got the scam right, but you're just a little off.
The three ships waiting for you were in their own fleet and they are in a corp that declared war on the player who asked you for help. Since you're in a fleet with the original player, they get the right to shoot you because of the war. They would not join the fleet you were in.
Leaving the fleet doesn't stop their right to kill you if they fire before you leave the fleet. Logging before they shoot you is the only thing you could have done.
Lofty29 used to do this regularly and made a lot of money blowing up nicely fitted CNRs just like yours.
In the future don't forget to read the warning that pops up on a gang invite that says "Really join warring gang?"
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:02:00 -
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you can not shoot at people in your fleet unless they are in your corporation.
you can shoot at people in a fleet with at least one war target in.
if this was a lofty scam, the guy who asked for help was not in a npc corp or there were more than just the two of you in the gang and that third person was in a war decced player corp.
 Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:03:00 -
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Thanks Shiner
The mechanics of the scam rely on the "fleet" link - that's the key, and the fact that I logged immediately on coming out of warp was probably what saved my skin and my 2bn+ fitted CNR. There was every chance they would have walked off with my XL Gist SB, incredible.
Only question is, what is a guy at war with another corp doing sending other people to his enemy unless he's in collaboration with them in a false war for exactly these purposes.
I guess I've answered my own question.
Very clever.
Regards
S1d
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
you can not shoot at people in your fleet unless they are in your corporation.
you can shoot at people in a fleet with at least one war target in.
if this was a lofty scam, the guy who asked for help was not in a npc corp or there were more than just the two of you in the gang and that third person was in a war decced player corp.
Good point Wind also.
The guy that invited me to the gang was in Perkone so that's NPC is it not?
I didn't think you could declare war on NPC corps??
If that's the case then surely the two corp scenario falls away and the intention of the 3 stooges WAS to join the same gang as the guy that invited me??
Shiner - you're probably right in terms of once they open fire they can continue unnabated regardless of whether you quit fleet status.
Funny how in this game every now and again I come up against some real out of the box thinking and this reignites my passion for Eve 
Regards
S1d
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:57:00 -
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npc corp player invites you.
you warp to him.
meanwhile another character gets invited in the same fleet. this alt is at war with the waiting gankfleet, which turns you into a target, while youre in warp. you also never get a "join a warring gang?" popup this way.
thats why i personally think it borders on exploiting.
meh.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Avery Fatwallet
npc corp player invites you.
you warp to him.
meanwhile another character gets invited in the same fleet. this alt is at war with the waiting gankfleet, which turns you into a target, while youre in warp. you also never get a "join a warring gang?" popup this way.
thats why i personally think it borders on exploiting.
meh.
So does loggin to avoid consequences..
shame the OP didnt loose his ship.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
So does loggin to avoid consequences..
shame the OP didnt loose his ship.
I guess turnabout is not fair play in your book.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
So does loggin to avoid consequences..
shame the OP didnt loose his ship.
God forbid someone uses a cheap metagame tactic to avoid another cheap metagame tactic, neither of which are considered exploits.
Can't say it bothers me in the least that the OP fought fire with fire.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:58:00 -
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Im working on getting them outta my home system...
The involved players are:
Sir Toadalot
Kinalder
Inmundicia
Methicone
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.10 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Originally by: Sorted
So does loggin to avoid consequences..
shame the OP didnt loose his ship.
God forbid someone uses a cheap metagame tactic to avoid another cheap metagame tactic, neither of which are considered exploits.
Can't say it bothers me in the least that the OP fought fire with fire.
lol... yeah 
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Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.10 03:42:00 -
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you did the right thing
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.02.10 03:47:00 -
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op your a fool for even taking up that offer, your about 17 years late with this info, my driving instructor told me about the lofty scam in 1987, get with the times pal, i wish u had lost ur ship then this post wouldn't be so smug
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Considered
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2008.02.10 03:53:00 -
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I had this done once, in jita, left fleet the second I saw 6 of em with sensor boosters on in a SS.
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Firkragg
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2008.02.10 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
op your a fool for even taking up that offer, your about 17 years late with this info, my driving instructor told me about the lofty scam in 1987, get with the times pal, i wish u had lost ur ship then this post wouldn't be so smug
I got told at the BBQ :)
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
op your a fool for even taking up that offer, your about 17 years late with this info, my driving instructor told me about the lofty scam in 1987, get with the times pal, i wish u had lost ur ship then this post wouldn't be so smug
You must have missed the bit where I said this scam is probably "older than the stars" 
No but seriously (jokes aside) I've known about the "Fleet" scam for a long time, but the whole point of my post - not to be forgotten - is to warn other unsuspecting players of a) the scam (whatever the guise) and b) the way out.
Regards
S1d
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: S1d Vicious
Stuff about boldly logging
Nice job on failing eve:
 Joining strangers ( didn't your mom told you not to go with strangers)
Logging your ship to save it (Thats true failure)
coming to the eve-o forums to tell everyone about it
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: S1d Vicious
Stuff about boldly logging
Nice job on failing eve:
Joining strangers ( didn't your mom told you not to go with strangers)
Logging your ship to save it (Thats true failure)
coming to the eve-o forums to tell everyone about it
No let's get it right, coming to the forums to tell everyone about it isn't "failure" it just p*sses YOU and YOUR band of merry men off to the extent that just possibly, others having now read this, might be alert and wary to your scam.
Sorry but we know who's really failed 
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.10 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 10/02/2008 12:34:05
Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: S1d Vicious
Stuff about boldly logging
Nice job on failing eve:
Joining strangers ( didn't your mom told you not to go with strangers)
Logging your ship to save it (Thats true failure)
coming to the eve-o forums to tell everyone about it
How bout.
* Puts more value in helping ppl then he puts at risking his EvE isk
* Used a cheap tactic to avoid an even more cheap tactic
* Again likes to help ppl. Someone probably learned something from reading this thread.
He is a winner to me.
Only one who failed here are the scammers.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: S1d Vicious
Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: S1d Vicious
Stuff about boldly logging
Nice job on failing eve:
Joining strangers ( didn't your mom told you not to go with strangers)
Logging your ship to save it (Thats true failure)
coming to the eve-o forums to tell everyone about it
No let's get it right, coming to the forums to tell everyone about it isn't "failure" it just p*sses YOU and YOUR band of merry men off to the extent that just possibly, others having now read this, might be alert and wary to your scam.
Sorry but we know who's really failed
Slave pulling a lofty?
lolsnyarrsnstuff
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
Originally by: Sorted
So does loggin to avoid consequences..
shame the OP didnt loose his ship.
God forbid someone uses a cheap metagame tactic to avoid another cheap metagame tactic, neither of which are considered exploits.
And that, is the whole problem with eve, and why it will die a firey death, to be populated by ten zillion 'non race denominated' isk farmers, where a trillion isk will cost you 1 dollar.
SKUNK
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.10 16:11:00 -
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If we can ignore the flames, the lesson here seems to be:
Always read the popup warnings.
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lolzor
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Posted - 2008.02.10 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: lolzor on 10/02/2008 17:17:24
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
If we can ignore the flames, the lesson here seems to be:
Always read the popup warnings.
If they had pulled a true lofty there would be no popup warning, alt who is at war with the people who are pulling off the scam, joins the gang after the victim does.
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O' GingerOne
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Posted - 2008.02.10 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: O'' GingerOne on 10/02/2008 17:56:45
Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
Edited by: Shiner BockBeer on 10/02/2008 00:50:28
You've almost got the scam right, but you're just a little off.
The three ships waiting for you were in their own fleet and they are in a corp that declared war on the player who asked you for help. Since you're in a fleet with the original player, they get the right to shoot you because of the war. They would not join the fleet you were in.
Leaving the fleet doesn't stop their right to kill you if they fire before you leave the fleet. Logging before they shoot you is the only thing you could have done.
Lofty29 used to do this regularly and made a lot of money blowing up nicely fitted CNRs just like yours.
In the future don't forget to read the warning that pops up on a gang invite that says "Really join warring gang?"
The OP had its a million times closer than you my friend.
After reading this thread ive come to realise your all stupid. The only person in here that i can still show to respect too is the guy that got away. Well done, your in a small minority 
As for bryg, you seem to be part of the growing community in eve that thinks they know everything and for some reason, are due more than others. If you want to call somewhere your "home-system" maybe you should do somthing to earn it, rather than just being a mouthy nobody. 
/Alt.
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.10 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Slave pulling a lofty?
lolsnyarrsnstuff
SKUNK
I would never use it, its just totally lame.
But logofski is the king of the hill.
Someone doing a logofski needs to be kicked in the ass in every possible way.
The Lofty Scam is another stupid "game mechanic" who needs to be fixed by CCP, but yet remains
in the game for more than a year.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.10 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: O' GingerOne
As for bryg, you seem to be part of the growing community in eve that thinks they know everything and for some reason, are due more than others. If you want to call somewhere your "home-system" maybe you should do somthing to earn it, rather than just being a mouthy nobody.
/Alt.
Who are you again? Anyhow, I have their SS, and a vote in on the dec. Will be fun. And just because I don't advertise the lofty, doesn't mean I am a nobody.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Lakut
Caldari
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.12 03:34:00 -
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To the OP:
Same scam attempt happened to me recently.
Funny thing to do: Leave fleet before getting aggro and watch the ensuing concordokkening.
Can give nice lewts.
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Keraa
Minmatar
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.12 04:36:00 -
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I am a nOOb. Just turned a month old. I appreciate this info very much Sid. Glad you got them back by saving your ship
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Lief Siddhe
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.02.12 05:05:00 -
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Lakut wins. Flawless victory.
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Caliwyrm O'Libr
Red Eye .Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 05:42:00 -
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It amazes me that they nerf the Privateers yet leave stuff like this in the game.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Naval Protection Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.02.12 13:37:00 -
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You survived, that's what counts.
Having said that, wouldn't 'leave fleet' have been better - as you would still be logged on if they had got a shot in at the last moment?
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In General
No Quarter. Academy
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:28:00 -
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Logoffski eh? I wonder do you cheat at patience as well?
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Spc One
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:09:00 -
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What does it happen if you logout when in space ?
Do your ship in space dissappear ?
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Spc One
What does it happen if you logout when in space ?
Do your ship in space dissappear ?
Not if someone has aggro on you. They have a short time to probe you down and blow you up.
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In General
No Quarter. Academy
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Spc One
What does it happen if you logout when in space ?
Do your ship in space dissappear ?
Not if someone has aggro on you. They have a short time to probe you down and blow you up.
But your honour dissappears with your ship.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.12 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: In General
But your honour dissappears with your ship.
That goes without saying...
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Voidson
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: In General
But your honour dissappears with your ship.
So it's better to lose a billion isk to a metagame scam, than use a meta-mechanic to get out of it? I don't know seems like lame tactic meets lame countertactic for the wash. Working as intended?
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In General
No Quarter. Academy
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Voidson
Originally by: In General
But your honour dissappears with your ship.
So it's better to lose a billion isk to a metagame scam, than use a meta-mechanic to get out of it? I don't know seems like lame tactic meets lame countertactic for the wash. Working as intended?
Either you switched off the warning or ignored it when joining the gang. This is a pvp game where scamming and scenarios that lead to conflict and combat are actively encouraged. Scamming may not be pleasent but it is a part of the game!
Logoffski on the otherhand is fail. Nothing stopping you doing it and as I pointed outearlier with my patience ananolgy, you are only fooling yourself.....
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Voidson
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Voidson on 12/02/2008 16:39:33
Logoffski on the otherhand is fail. Nothing stopping you doing it and as I pointed outearlier with my patience ananolgy, you are only fooling yourself.....
Hmnnn... seems like both groups were just:
http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm
and the Logoffski tactic won...
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Polardegos
Gallente
Venom.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 16:53:00 -
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A follow-up question to this; what would have happened if the OP had gotten aggro on him, then quit the fleet, seeing "this is trouble, they can still shoot at me", and forms his own fleet with corpmates? Would these corpmates be able to help him, or would they be fried by Concord for trying?
Reason I ask is; making a trap. You answer the call for "help", knowing that it might be a lofty, and get your own buddies ready and able, and on seeing it is a lofty, you do as described above. Possible? |
Yakoff
Star Scream Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yakoff on 12/02/2008 20:28:24
So the advice in this story is....
I become good samaritan and offer to help someone. Join gang. Let guy warp us, I keep watching fleet window and if I see new person come into fleet, I leave fleet.
Or better yet, just as the fleet leader warps us, I just leave fleet immediately.
In either case, I come out of warp where this supposed mission or a trap is (no longer in fleet).
If it is an actual mission, I can help out and still be the good samaritan. If my suspiscions were true, I will watch concord blow up the attackers (if they fell into their own trap), and get their shiney loot.
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Grim Starwind
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Posted - 2008.02.12 22:34:00 -
[45]
Originally by: O' GingerOne
Edited by: O'' GingerOne on 10/02/2008 17:56:45
Originally by: Shiner BockBeer
Edited by: Shiner BockBeer on 10/02/2008 00:50:28
You've almost got the scam right, but you're just a little off.
The three ships waiting for you were in their own fleet and they are in a corp that declared war on the player who asked you for help. Since you're in a fleet with the original player, they get the right to shoot you because of the war. They would not join the fleet you were in.
Leaving the fleet doesn't stop their right to kill you if they fire before you leave the fleet. Logging before they shoot you is the only thing you could have done.
Lofty29 used to do this regularly and made a lot of money blowing up nicely fitted CNRs just like yours.
In the future don't forget to read the warning that pops up on a gang invite that says "Really join warring gang?"
The OP had its a million times closer than you my friend.
After reading this thread ive come to realise your all stupid. The only person in here that i can still show to respect too is the guy that got away. Well done, your in a small minority
As for bryg, you seem to be part of the growing community in eve that thinks they know everything and for some reason, are due more than others. If you want to call somewhere your "home-system" maybe you should do somthing to earn it, rather than just being a mouthy nobody.
/Alt.
That's why I stopped using the EVE-O forums and only came back today for a lil look. Because 95% of the people here are only here to flame and or ***** about another player or flash their e-peens.
You'll find that most of the people that act tough on the forum are generally hiding somewhere in the game and are the ones that smalk talk in local =) Infact, I'm not gonna check this thread again and I bet I'll get some of the losers post replies here looking something like this -
"Omgz liek bbqsticks i'll shows u whos da n00b in teh statonz. come 2 my home system where me and my 5 m8s will jump you 'n shwz you our pwers!!11!lol1!"
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:34:00 -
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Funny how people have reacted to this thread.
To all those that have responded positively with constructive comment, thank you. The whole point of this post (and I will say it again for the hundredth time) was to alert people to a scam that is doing the rounds in a street near you.
To all those that have screamed Logoffski, Failed, Dishonoured, OMG Uber Lameness - get over it and take it like a man. Crawl out of that gutter grow a spine and develop something that isn't lower than a rattlesnake's belly and I might just accept your criticisms.
The bottom line here is simply this. If this post makes just ONE PLAYER think twice BEFORE accepting that call for help out of the blue then in my book, its objective achieved - tick in the box.
Regards
S1d
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2008.02.14 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Polardegos
A follow-up question to this; what would have happened if the OP had gotten aggro on him, then quit the fleet, seeing "this is trouble, they can still shoot at me", and forms his own fleet with corpmates? Would these corpmates be able to help him, or would they be fried by Concord for trying?
Reason I ask is; making a trap. You answer the call for "help", knowing that it might be a lofty, and get your own buddies ready and able, and on seeing it is a lofty, you do as described above. Possible?
They would be concordokken.
The flags would work like this in this particular situation:
You are in a fleet with a person at war. That means you are a valid target to the warring corporation(s). This supercedes the normal aggress-me-you-turn-flashy-to-my-corp thing. The only flag thrown is aggression towards the individual.
Once you leave the fleet and form up your own with your corpmates, your corpmates warp in to find three yellow guys shooting at you. If the yellow guys were valid targets, they would be flashing red, not solid yellow. That is because the corp aggression flag wasn't thrown.
Same thing happens to pirates and PvPers in low sec- they are a flashy red outlaw, someone engages them at a gate. There are no gate guns involved, but their corpmates can't fire at the aggressor without taking sentry fire and GCC; the outlaw flag on the pirate was there first, and supercedes the other flag.
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I SoStoned
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:55:00 -
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Sheesh... this is nothing new. The guy who brought me into the game [i]4 years ago[/i/ gave me a very stern warning about gangs and wars (back then just being in a gang ment someone could shoot you without Concordoken).
I've seen it done many times.
Been the 'dupe', too, with three corpmates on the opposite gate to the system. It ended up being 7 on 4 and we lost, though. The scammer fled as soon as my corpies jumped in system, and 5 of them went down in the fight. Their BB managed to survive. :/
No faction gear, but lots of T2 when T2 had value.
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Dungheap
Caldari
Dragon's Rage
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:51:00 -
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unfortunate that players really needing help will be less likely to get it due to this tactic.
as explained in other threads, if you want to help someone, you send the invite and form the fleet. don't put the other person in a command position like squad lead where they can send invites.
loggoff was a bit cheesy, but worth it to hear the cries of outrage from those too dense or lazy to come up with an original idea of their own. i'm told pirate tears are the very sweetest kind...
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Rua
Cloak and Daggers
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rua on 14/02/2008 13:57:23
Oh hey cool, so if someone else is being lame, then I can be lame too and still hold the moral high ground?
Sweet.
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.14 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: S1d Vicious
To all those that have screamed Logoffski, Failed, Dishonoured, OMG Uber Lameness - get over it and take it like a man. Crawl out of that gutter grow a spine and develop something that isn't lower than a rattlesnake's belly and I might just accept your criticisms.
Funny you talk like that.
About "spine" and "take it like a man"
Remember ? Your the one logged off and cheated your way out of your problem.
Tbh i am slowly start to think your the kind of player who wants to show the little helpless newbie how great and wtfpwn you and your CNR are. Looks like you got your ass handed to you while doing so.
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Yakoff
Star Scream Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.14 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Yakoff on 14/02/2008 17:41:55
Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: S1d Vicious
To all those that have screamed Logoffski, Failed, Dishonoured, OMG Uber Lameness - get over it and take it like a man. Crawl out of that gutter grow a spine and develop something that isn't lower than a rattlesnake's belly and I might just accept your criticisms.
Funny you talk like that.
About "spine" and "take it like a man"
Remember ? Your the one logged off and cheated your way out of your problem.
TBH, I am slowly start to think your the kind of player who wants to show the little helpless newbie how great and wtfpwn you and your CNR are. Looks like you got your ass handed to you while doing so.
I am sorry, explain to me how he cheated his way out? He used a valid tactic in which CCP itself said that this is not an exploit. Just like what the lame pirates tried to do was just as lame - but not an exploit either.
BTW, for those saying his honor has been lost. I think the fact that he has come on this forum and posted this scam (under trolling and flame) has allowed his honor to grow. If only other people were more thick-skinned to give their experiences over the internet on how there are so many dupes out there.
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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.14 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yakoff
I am sorry, explain to me how he cheated his way out? He used a valid tactic in which CCP itself said that this is not an exploit. Just like what the lame pirates tried to do was just as lame - but not an exploit either.
You are you playing a online-game in which you have to compete with other players, if you log out at the first sign of trouble,
your using a cheap way to get out of trouble. Which ruins the whole purpose to play with other people.
Originally by: Yakoff
BTW, for those saying his honor has been lost. I think the fact that he has come on this forum and posted this scam (under trolling and flame) has allowed his honor to grow. If only other people were more thick-skinned to give their experiences over the internet on how there are so many dupes out there.
Yeah honor to the thick skinned alt. Praise his balls likes steel to come to the forum and post about stuff wich happend to his main.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.02.14 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Yakoff
Edited by: Yakoff on 14/02/2008 17:41:55
Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: S1d Vicious
To all those that have screamed Logoffski, Failed, Dishonoured, OMG Uber Lameness - get over it and take it like a man. Crawl out of that gutter grow a spine and develop something that isn't lower than a rattlesnake's belly and I might just accept your criticisms.
Funny you talk like that.
About "spine" and "take it like a man"
Remember ? Your the one logged off and cheated your way out of your problem.
TBH, I am slowly start to think your the kind of player who wants to show the little helpless newbie how great and wtfpwn you and your CNR are. Looks like you got your ass handed to you while doing so.
I am sorry, explain to me how he cheated his way out? He used a valid tactic in which CCP itself said that this is not an exploit. Just like what the lame pirates tried to do was just as lame - but not an exploit either.
the only reason its NOT considered an exploit by ccp is because it is impossible to monitor and therefore police because ccp does not know what is going on in RL at your monitor. I dont think a gm nor a dev would applaud the OP for this "meta-mechanic/exploit". Tbh I think they would be rolling their eyes.
As for the lofty trick- yep pretty lame but still "valid" in my opinion as it is indeed utilising the game mechanics as opposed to logoffski which is basically eliminating your ship from the game dimension. The equivalent is covering your eyes and saying "I cant see you- you cant see me", which is bs.
Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place?
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Yakoff
Star Scream Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:17:00 -
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If this were a logoffski in 0.0 or low sec, I would agree that logging off is lame.
However (of course this is my opinion), high sec is SAFER. Yes, not necessarily safe. He wanted to be helpful, however there are lots of people trying to take advantage of game mechanics to one up someone in high sec.
In this case, he was tricked into going into a situation where it was many vs 1 in high sec where he had no chance to defend himself due to a cheap trick.
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Sir Toadalot
Caldari
Exiled.
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Toadalot on 14/02/2008 19:58:35
i cannot believe what i have been reading!
How is the "lofty" trick considered to be exploiting game mechanics, or even taking advantage of game mechanics, its purely just:
PLAYING THE ******* GAME!
im totaly stunned that just becuase you dont like it, you think its not meant to be part of the game or some sort of "loop-hole".
At the end of the day, the person that gets killed cant blame anyone but themselves! If you get outsmarted, its your fault, dont go crying about it, get overyourself!
"Its taking advantage"
"Its a cheap trick"
"its lame"
"zomg exploit"
or.... maybe... your just to dumb to understand the game you think you know 'oh so well'. 
If you dont get concorded, its not an exploit! ITS PART OF THE GAME!
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S1d Vicious
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Posted - 2008.02.15 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Slave 775
Originally by: S1d Vicious
To all those that have screamed Logoffski, Failed, Dishonoured, OMG Uber Lameness - get over it and take it like a man. Crawl out of that gutter grow a spine and develop something that isn't lower than a rattlesnake's belly and I might just accept your criticisms.
Funny you talk like that.
About "spine" and "take it like a man"
Remember ? Your the one logged off and cheated your way out of your problem.
Tbh i am slowly start to think your the kind of player who wants to show the little helpless newbie how great and wtfpwn you and your CNR are. Looks like you got your ass handed to you while doing so.
It pains me to dignify this with a response, but I will because I like you.
Nowadays my time in eve is split between trade and manufacturing and yes, I frequently help those less able than me. I feel a sense of pride and achievement in giving rather than taking.
Can you get your head around that concept?
Doubtful. Instead I'm sure it floats your boat to sit with your 'hard' mates ganking industrials and shuttles that unwittingly stray into 0.4 or, suicide gank outside busy trade hubs.
And just how exactly did my ass get handed to me again?
I must have missed your reasoned and supported argument on that one.
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