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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:13:00 -
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I think this subject needs to be cleared up since quite a few corps have come to fade and waged war on us because of us being a "pirate" alliance. These corps being mainly Celestial Apoc and Rona-KIA. Yes in the beginning of our alliance we did have pirate corps that were a part of us. Tundragon and The Spang were both full members. We were naped with Teddybears and Bone Collectors. These 4 corps helped us in the very beginning by pushing out BNC forces and give the rest of the RSA...normally miners a few good lessons on PVP. Now I will break this down corp by corp so it can be cleared up for good.
Tundragon[TDG]:
Tundragon was one of the founding corps of RSA. Their CEO Xpohoc was one of 3 council members. The others being Phonix and myself. For a month or so TDG fought with us and helped the rest of us become one hell of a PVP fleet. Roughly 4 weeks ago Xpohoc and his corpmates decided to leave RSA so they could continue being pirates. They wanted to leave the alliance because they knew it would bring a bad name to us if we were a "pirate" alliance. We stay friends with tundragon because they helped us a lot in that first month. They do not operate out of fade and to be honest I have no clue where they operate now. TDG is no longer RSA or connected to us in anyway.
The Spang[SPANG]:
The spang is also another corp that joined us in the beginning. They were members up until about 3 weeks ago when they seemed to disapear out of thin air. In their corp bio it still has the RSA member tag in it. This is a mistake and has been asked to be removed by myself. They have not been in fade for 3 weeks at least and we have not heard from any of them in those 3 weeks. They were members but are no longer part of RSA. I personally have told them they are no longer members. This was done for 2 main reasons. They did not particpate in RSA activities for about 5 weeks now. They have made the vision of RSA as a pirate alliance bolder so they were told to leave.
Bone Collectors:
Bone Collectors were never RSA members. They were allies for a short while since we had the same enemies at that time. They only were involved with one fight with RSA and that was about 5 weeks ago. Since then they have not been in our channel or inside the fade region since that battle. They are no longer allies of ours. We have not spoken with them in a long time and they have not helped us in anyway since then. This was a temporary alliance to take down a commen enemy. That enemy being Arcadia which we were at war with for 1 week and are no longer.
Teddybears [ROARR]:
This one is easy. We had a NAP with [ROARR] since they were friends with [TDG] and [SPANG]. We have never fought with them nor will we ever. In fact we are no longer holding a NAP with them either. They downed 2 RSA ships about 10 days ago. They never were RSA and they hold no standing with them. We wont go out looking for them but if we are fired apon by their pilots we will fire back.
The Smite Brotherhood [TSBH]:
For some reason or another a lot of people think this corp is a pirate corp. Smite has never been pirates in their existance. They have never camped gate or gone to empire to kill people. They only have fired on those who fired apon them.
Rising Storm Alliance [RSA] :
The RSA had a brief pirate history. The 2 days after we took control of the Fade region most of us needed to have a bit of fun. Things inside the alliance were hell since none of us have ever formed a real alliance before. So about 10-15 of us(bulk or our fleet at the time) decided to blow off some steam. We did this in EC-P8R where we pretty much shot at everything that moved. On our way down there and back we also shot at everyone that was not with us. This proved to be costly fun. Aparently we had a NAP at the time with Deathstar International[DSIN]. They did not take kindly to us killing a few of their ships. We have been at war with them ever since. Besides those 2 days RSA has not been a pirate alliance and nor do we plan on becoming one. For those corps who wish to wage war on us for this reason you are fighting the wrong people. If you have problem with us being friends with pirates in our brief past that is fine. If you attacking us because you think we still are pirates then you are mistaken. There are 3 corps that have a right to be at war with us. Black Nova[BNC] because we took fade from them. Deathstar International[DSIN] because we broke our nap with them. Reikoku[RKK] because they are probly getting paid to fight us.
I hope this can clear some things up for everyone. If there are still questions please contact SweatySack
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:26:00 -
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Personally, I have seen some awesome and honorable RSA pilots, but the crap that comes from working with FE has been costly though. I know that FE has claimed to no longer hold to their old pirate ways, but a bad rep is not instantly undone...
Personally, I would love to see this end via diplomacy. I have somehow gotten stuck fighting on BOTH sides and while I LIKE both sides. I truly hope that RSA and PA/RKK/DSIN can all come of a meeting place on this one.
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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Re'ah
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:32:00 -
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I don't speak for either side, but after reading the forums a lot, it seems that celestial apocalypse, reikoku and deathstar international are very good friends... That might be a reason, no? Unless I'm mistaken of course.
Anyway I'll stop my speculations right there and let them speak for themselves 
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:38:00 -
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SweatySack,
Would you guys willing to go to the table with PA/RKK/DSIN/BNC and the others? A show of good faith might just end all of this grief! And I am equally sure that reasonable ppl like those on the other side would be willing to end this pointless war.
Gentlemen?
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:40:00 -
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Yes they are very good friends. Rona-KIA is the corp that has attacked us claiming we are pirates. The other corps are helping their friends to the best of my knowledge.
Also about the diplomatic solution. Its not going to be possible. I tried to get a cease fire with DSIN on to get a demand for 1 billion isk. Also talked of a BNC cease fire only to get attacked by a BNC fleet the next day. These guys want our region and there is no hope for peace until they have it or die trying. RSA is not going to leave until we are all fighting in kestrels...which we probly would do if it needs to be done.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:42:00 -
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SweatySack,
Would you guys willing to go to the table with PA/RKK/DSIN/BNC and the others? A show of good faith might just end all of this grief! And I am equally sure that reasonable ppl like those on the other side would be willing to end this pointless war.
Gentlemen?
Of course. I am all for a diplomatic solution. RSA however will not leave fade. If there can be a solution where RSA can keep fade and not open it up to 3,000 miners then we would consider any other offer.
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Celestial Voice
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Celestial Voice on 30/03/2004 18:51:39
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So about 10-15 of us(bulk or our fleet at the time) decided to blow off some steam. We did this in EC-P8R where we pretty much shot at everything that moved. On our way down there and back we also shot at everyone that was not with us. This proved to be costly fun.
Celestial Apocalypse lost a scorp while traveling during this rampage. We have no reason to believe that this still isn't a pirate backed alliance atm.
Just because the pirates have got bored babysitting you, your are now claiming to be "legit". Who would'nt claim to be "legit" with a large force of pirate hunters on your doorstep?
Celes Kill Board
"Celestial Apocalypse, death from above"
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:51:00 -
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RSA is now PUBLICIALLY swearing of piracy. They have paid a great deal for the error of their ways. Don't good guys have a duty to respond in kind? I personally can vouch for the honor of some RSA pilots.
SweatySack, what will happen to a RSA memeber found committing acts of piracy? If they are booted, and RSA proves that they are not pirates, then doesn't this war become vendetta, and not justice?
Can't we all just get along?
- N -
Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:57:00 -
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I don't disagree with anything said in this thread so far.
However, I will ask a simple question that sweatysack glossed over.
How did RSA come to be in control of FADE?
hmm?
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Nyana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:58:00 -
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Can't we all just get along?
Getting along in RL might be good, but in EVE... No way  
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.03.30 19:08:00 -
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I don't disagree with anything said in this thread so far.
However, I will ask a simple question that sweatysack glossed over.
How did RSA come to be in control of FADE?
hmm?
dbp
The only answer i can give to this is they bribed the original owners with envelopes and a free postal service
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EvilWezal
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Posted - 2004.03.30 19:33:00 -
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Just to clear some stuff up on why BNC is attacking RSA. We took the Station in c4c from the Wovian Allinace, 1 Corp, just BNC Took it. we opened the it all to use and mine. Our mining take was BELOW NPC standard Take. We found out that FREE was ploting to have us killed so we killed free first.
Then one Weekend FE shows up while most of our Fleet is gone on the other side of the Galaxy fighting Pirates. FE killed 4 or so of our Bs's with the AID of FREE and other corps that where in OUR DEfense Gang. SO they betrayed us, FE took the station and has been protecting RSA since.
we fight them because they betrayed our trust and friendship.
As for Peace, talk to Blacklight, but dont expect any mercy from us anymore. You made the Corp members extremly mad by your betrayal, and the members decide who we attack and who we give peace to. 
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Landmass
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Posted - 2004.03.30 20:26:00 -
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LOL u got Rona-kia on your tailpipes now? Who did u guys **** off to do that? Fighting them is like french-kissing a blender blindfolded. :P
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.03.30 20:38:00 -
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Celest and RONA will look for any excuse to pvp, but its just too bad that they can get away with being the judge, jury and executioner. Its also too bad that they continue to pick on the smallest pirate alliances instead of continuing their goal of ridding EVE of scum...wonder if their just tired of losing...
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
EvilWezal
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Posted - 2004.03.30 20:57:00 -
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Why not stamp out the little scum before they become big scum?
RKK and Celest are great friends of BNC. Many Kudos to them :)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:01:00 -
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Celest and RONA will look for any excuse to pvp, but its just too bad that they can get away with being the judge, jury and executioner. Its also too bad that they continue to pick on the smallest pirate alliances instead of continuing their goal of ridding EVE of scum...wonder if their just tired of losing...
The thing that just eats you up Marichek is that people have long memories and reputation is real and valuable in Eve. RSA condemned themselves by their conduct and alliance with FE. All this "we were piratical murderers last week" .... "but this week we are good citizens please don't hurt us" stuff convinces nobody.
If RSA want to change the paradigm then lets have a total foreswearing of closed border protectionism and full independence from Forsaken Empire.
The reason people want RSA gone is that they represent a repressive petty-minded cartel viewpoint that believes they have a god-given right to deny space to free wayfarers.
Speaking personally, my first contact with RSA was when they blew the crap out of my breacher before I had even heard of them! Whatever, cheap ship, no real harm done, but that pretty much emphased the essential nature of the issue ... them or us (us being people who don't like closed space alliances).
I'd rather see an open government in control of Fade. Evidently others hold this viewpoint too.
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:04:00 -
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Oh stuff it Jade, just because F-E has helped RSA dosen't make RSA "as evil" as you think F-E is...
On another point, RKK and CELES are Evolution wannabe's, and they'll probably end up allying pirates in the end aswell... (unless they already did that, but if you ask them they'll of course deny it...)
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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:16:00 -
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Jade,
I really like you guys, but I think that closed borders <> evil. That can't condemn RSA. They have even admitted that some orgs have legitimate war claims, but have abandoned piracy. I DO AGREE however, that RSA would be benefited in agreeing to keep a military distance from FE, if we can end this war. I think that RSA has every right to remain friends of whomever they choose, but the politicially right thing would be to defend themselves while FE is rebuilding it's image. But then again, if the entire universe is attacking them, they need the backup! Everyone should just back off... Let RSA prove themselves...
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Cowboy - Celestial Apocalypse
Now hear this, I am selling clues on market in gehi.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 30/03/2004 21:20:35
Maybe RSA should have decided not to be pirates before Spang, Tundragon and Free decided to attack us and take out a couple of RONA KIA battleships whilst we were heavily outnumbered.
Now we're repaying the favor.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 30/03/2004 22:23:56
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On another point, RKK and CELES are Evolution wannabe's, and they'll probably end up allying pirates in the end aswell... (unless they already did that, but if you ask them they'll of course deny it...)
Don't presume to know anything about RKK.
Your last statement blatantly shows your ignorance about RKK as everyone in Eve will testify... Oh apart from our enemies who try to show us in whatever bad light they can.
It's interesting that a CA member believes they know something about the situation in FADE. Perhaps because FE fly the CA flag now and again when it suits them, you feel that CA has a claim on Fade?
This is very simple, so I will spell it out for the slow individuals amongst us.
RSA TOOK FADE from the NORAD guys.
We are simply replacing it to the rightful owners.
You lot can talk and talk and talk all day long, but the fighting will continue until every RSA member has pulled back to empire, so begging for forgiveness or sending the forum *****s against us is futile.
As for Celest, DSIN and Rona-Kia. All had ships of theirs destroyed by the RSA. We all have the same goals and to that end we WILL work together, nothing that is said here will change that.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Artegg
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:29:00 -
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Celest and RONA will look for any excuse to pvp, but its just too bad that they can get away with being the judge, jury and executioner. Its also too bad that they continue to pick on the smallest pirate alliances instead of continuing their goal of ridding EVE of scum...wonder if their just tired of losing...
In our wars against Bio-Mass, Huff and co i do not think we lost at all and at the time they were the largest pirate alliance in EVE
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:30:00 -
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It's interesting that a CA member believes they know something about the situation in FADE. Perhaps because FE fly the CA flag now and again when it suits them, you feel that CA has a claim on Fade.
CA dont claim Fade, but if CA wants to help RSA against (atm) common enemies is that a problem? You are doing the same thing so you shoulden't talk so loud
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RSA TOOK FADE from the NORAD guys.
Well if NORAD isen't strong to hold it on their own it's not their region.
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Don't presume to know anything about RKK.
I know you are mercs when it suits you, and "pirate" hunters when it suits you.
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hazeb
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:33:00 -
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"So about 10-15 of us(bulk or our fleet at the time) decided to blow off some steam. We did this in EC-P8R where we pretty much shot at everything that moved. On our way down there and back we also shot at everyone that was not with us."
So your not pirates then?
*cough* Pirates *cough*
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Entroph
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:34:00 -
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I think Notferr had the right idea about 10 posts ago. There's no issue that can't be handled by sitting down and talking it out. You should all sit down and talk about what's bothering you. VentureCorp are allies of my corporation, and I'm sure Galavet would agree with me in saying they know diplomacy.
Allow VC to assess the situation, and invite chosen corporations to a civilised discussion. All this fighting is great fun, but if people aren't happy fighting then do something about it.
Use words... Not Paradise Cruise Missiles!
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Celestial Voice
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:36:00 -
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Celest and RONA will look for any excuse to pvp, but its just too bad that they can get away with being the judge, jury and executioner. Its also too bad that they continue to pick on the smallest pirate alliances instead of continuing their goal of ridding EVE of scum...wonder if their just tired of losing...
Celest are already at war with the largest pirate alliance in the game. Curse. We just taking a refreshing break from the smak.
For the record the conflict against FE/RSA has been fun, with some good fights, a few ganks and flame free up till now. Please Keep it that way.
If u know any other "EVE scum" you would like rid of ,u can contact us and plead your case.
Celes Kill Board
"Celestial Apocalypse, death from above"
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:37:00 -
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CA dont claim Fade, but if CA wants to help RSA against (atm) common enemies is that a problem? You are doing the same thing so you shoulden't talk so loud
Interesting, so CA are going to be coming all the way up.. That's nice to know, thank's for the advance warning. I didn't say you did claim fade, I ASKED if you had a claim on fade.
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Well if NORAD isn't strong to hold it on their own it's not their region.
Well it sure as hell isn't RSA for much longer.
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I know you are mercs when it suits you, and "pirate" hunters when it suits you.
So how does that relate to being ANYTHING like Evolution?
They are neither Mercs nor Pirate Hunters.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:40:00 -
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At the time the RSA formed, the Phoenix Alliance consulted with its "Pure Blind" friends (Deathstar, RKK, and Celestial) about the nature of this new entity. After reviewing their assesments and gathering some of our own intelligence, the PA council classified the RSA as a "pirate-based group". Not a legitimate alliance worthy of diplomatic contact and respected borders.
Also, since their forming, RSA pilots have attacked PA interests moving through PB and surrounding regions. (On a personal note, I don't see their classification changing anytime soon)
PA council considers any actions taken by PA members as simply individual corporations proactivly protecting their interests between Venal and Empire space. Nothing more.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:46:00 -
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mmmmmm, interesting..
CELES were told that RSA were pirating, so CELES move up to Fade for wee while for some PVP fun. we found the "no smack" action very liberating, and the guys have enjoyed it.
we have no need for stations or sections of space.. and we also have no need to justify what we do. Gone are the days pirate corps work by themselves, they think they can hide behind alliances and not be attacked.
We have proven this to be 100% correct, and have no plans to change our actions....
RSA made a HUGE mistake doing their little bit of pirating, then thinking they could just say, "oooops sorry". doesnt work that way methinks.
as for the "EVOL wannabes". why would we want to be anything other than ourselves in this amazing corp, i wouldnt swap some of the guys for 100 EVOL members, so hush.
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Landmass
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:07:00 -
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Well they *can* hide behind alliances and not be attacked.
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KamiCrazy
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:18:00 -
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Yep they did hide behind an alliance.
And we knew the odds and still attacked, thats one of the reasons why we had that massive fleet battle and it didn't turn into a blob war.
We knew FE were coming up, and we were going to fight them. No questions asked, on that day.
Its this kind of respect which is being lost here, in this thread.
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