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Xavier Perez
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:20:00 -
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There's no issue that can't be handled by sitting down and talking it out.
Yeah using words like **** ****** **** **** *** ***** **** *** **** ******* and *****.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:33:00 -
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all i'm saying is that it sucks that us "pirates" have to go find the "pirate hunters" to get a fight.
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Dark Uncle
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:38:00 -
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all i'm saying is that it sucks that us "pirates" have to go find the "pirate hunters" to get a fight.
Hehe makes a change doesnt it?  Quite a refreshing one in my opinion.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:42:00 -
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us "pirates"
ermmm, u guys have been busting a gut to get everyone to believe u are legit corp, so all that been lies?.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:44:00 -
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all i'm saying is that it sucks that us "pirates" have to go find the "pirate hunters" to get a fight.
Is this another public admission of FE being pirates?
But seriously,(we have some respect for FE) when you joined the largest regional alliance in the game, what did u expect? you made peace with your traditional/historical enemies, the PA and now complain you have no-one to fight.
Anyway were u were not at Saturday's fleet battle?( i wasnt either )i think eveyone involved RSA/FE/DSIN/BNC/CELES/RKK/HUFF all had a blast.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:02:00 -
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us "pirates"
ermmm, u guys have been busting a gut to get everyone to believe u are legit corp, so all that been lies?.
lol, you guys are really stretching it, now. we're doing well at being legit, gaining a lot of respect around the universe and its REALLY bothering you. Fact is, as long as you consider us pirates and attack us, we will still fire back. Its just too bad that the attacking you do is against the little people and smack on the forums. 
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:09:00 -
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hmmm So lets see, CCP introduce stations and BNC(just them or other NORAD?) move to fade take the stations and upset (some/all?) the locals there. BNC Kill some(2?) members of FREEE who get even more ****ed and ask for help to get rid of BNC. FREEE and other fade corps gang together and F-E/Tundragon etc are willing to lend a hand (I/We were happy too they ****ed us off in fountain and some of there members like flying 50 jumps+ to take a station and log out).
BNC are removed(1-2weeks), fade is back in the hands of its original owners. Some fade pirate for 1-2 days after the win. BNC/allies try to retake the region without much success BNC+some other norad+rkk+dsin at this point arent able to retake the region even with a numerical(on paper at least) advantage. Now Celest/rkk/dsin/Norad(all/some?)/Huff(Pirates) vs fade which are without the pirates and most of f-e playing linage 2(ffs g*mps).
R-K are now involved which threatens to involve curse and pa? TBH thats how I see the situation in fade atm. Nobody is holy innocent some just claim to be. ATM its not a war its a **** take. Feel free to discuss any points you think I got wrong.
dsin are there because of a broken nap.
RKK are there to help allies(dsin) or paid.
Celest cant find anybody else to fight.
Huff to **** F-E off.
BNC coz they feel they were wronged and have a rightful claim.
R-K somebody shot them/they are ultra bored.
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Fade guys fighting for there home.
F-E are being gh3y.
Pirates went back to pirating.
tbh my corps position is the one i hate the most :/
limpy bint
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:25:00 -
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Reply to Sweatysack -
Your recent cheque for 1 billion isk, sent to DSIN has bounced, please check your funds and re-issue, or we'll just have to carry on wtfpwning your ass.
Have a nice day.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:56:00 -
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BNC+some other norad+rkk+dsin at this point arent able to retake the region even with a numerical(on paper at least) advantage.
None of the corps mentioned plan to stay or take over Fade, thats not the objective of the war.
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Nobody is holy innocent some just claim to be.
I dont care what you call me or DSIN, call us pirates if you wish, it doesnt make a blind bit of difference to what we do ingame, we shall do as we please to have fun, and I dont try to make us look innocent, because I simply dont care.
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dsin are there because of a broken nap.
The NAP was broken with a kestrel kill, which was an alt anyway. That 150k ship has cost the alliance dearly, Ive lost count of the amount of ships killed. Hell some members of the RSA have lost battleships night after night.
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RKK are there to help allies(dsin) or paid.
They aint bein paid I can assure you.
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Huff to **** F-E off.
I dont blame em one bit.
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R-K somebody shot them/they are ultra bored.
They were attacked by the RSA.
Thats pretty much it.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:00:00 -
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If u know any other "EVE scum" you would like rid of ,u can contact us and plead your case.
Endyourself
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:04:00 -
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us "pirates"
ermmm, u guys have been busting a gut to get everyone to believe u are legit corp, so all that been lies?.
Just when I thought you couldnt be more of an idiot. What do you think the quotes are for?
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:09:00 -
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The NAP was broken with a kestrel kill, which was an alt anyway. That 150k ship has cost the alliance dearly, Ive lost count of the amount of ships killed. Hell some members of the RSA have lost battleships night after night.
my god you cancel naps easy, alts get killed all the time 150k lost isnt worth a war usless it is just an excuse for a war. Guess we all need some fun =)
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Huff to **** F-E off.
I dont blame em one bit.
blame them? they shot first. but any further comment on that topic will probably take this off topic.
limpy bint
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 31/03/2004 00:31:23
The official BNC line on this is that we moved to Fade along with one other NORAD corp and some Arcadia corps on the day the player owned stations and the new jumpgates were put in game.
Our main intention was to secure the northern border of Arcadia & NORAD territory and not allow any organisations potentially hostile to us to settle in an area where they could easily launch attacks on Cloud Ring.
Upon our arrival there was no evidence of any 'local alliance' other than Wovian Alliance, which had no convincing claim to Fade and owned 1 station, by their own admittance they were corps bothwith and without a history in the area formed to take and hold the stations. BNC took one station, CHON took one other and Arcadia the 3rd. Our northern border secure we settled down to make the area as comfortable as possible for anyone who wanted to mine there and use the stations. At no time in these early stages did any Fade Alliance make an approach to BNC/Arcadia/NORAD claiming ownership of Fade.
The mining fees were kept at about 50% of NPC take, docking fee's were played with but never fully implemented and most local corps had their standing with us rapidly increased so that they had no docking fees at all. Those corps unfriendly towards us had to pay to dock, in order to discourage them from being in the area (mainly pirate corps).
BNC then proceeded to help organise the defence of the area and work with all the lcoals in order to allow the miners in the region to make best use of the new adantage of having a refinery in Fade. The area was never closed to anyone at all and only patrolled for pirate activity.
We made contact with the neighbours in Deklein, promised mutual support and on a couple of occasions sent ships to support them in dealing with pirates.
We made a lot of friends, our public channel was packed every night, many people thanked us for keeping the area as secure as we could, helping cover mining ops etc etc.. I still talk to players from corps both still in the region and those who left when the FE connection developed, who appreciated what was going on then.
We gathered inelligence at that time that FREEE were conspiring to raise a force to remove us from the area. We applied deadly force to reinforce our position. We then had negotiations and agreed partnerships with FREEE's CEO, believing everything to be cool once again. We then get mroe intell that the plot is still alive but not convincing proof so we all carry on in good faith. Things in the area are relatively stable, more local corps are commited to helping keep the region stable and profitable for all, so the majority of our fleet moves on to other tasks. Several corps active in Fade, including the arch betrayers Iron Bolt Corp, ask to join NORAD and work with BNC on a permanant basis. We believe we are forming good relationships with potential allies, we have people on our TS server every night and the corps in the area appear to be working well together.
The next weekend a large force of Forsaken Empire arrive, a large battle ensues during which both BNC and many of the local corps take a beating from FE, most of the losses are actually sustained by local mining corps trying to defend the region. We discover afterwards that FREEE and other corporations are in league with FE that night and contribute heavily to the defeat with provision of intel on our fleet's composition, moves etc.
RSA is born, pirate corps recruited and the region held by RSA & PIrates. BNC are effectively driven out in the first couple of weeks and the details of the betrayal become clear. The betrayal is felt particularly with regard to those corps who worked hand in glove with us for several weeks on mining & combat ops and even requested to join our alliance. RSA players, including the new pirate corps, begin to crow about their own importance and military successes in the forums but little mention is ever made about the fact that the reason their successes were achieved was entirely down to FE firepower. FE roleplay the whole event superbly on the forums. Reports come in about clear pirating undertaken by RSA forces in Pure Blind, Fade and Cloud Ring.
From this time on there is intense emnity between BNC and RSA (in game roleplay only, some of the guys are good fun to talk to, although when I keep passing out drunk in my scorpion they seem to have the upper hand in our joking banter sessions!).
As for whether we want the region back under our control, we don't really care too much, the number one objective has been to exact revenge for the betrayal particularly on the FREEE and Ironbolt Corporations.
That's the situation from our perspective, I'm sure some of you will disagree with some or all of the above and the normal flaming and counter accusations will commence, you are of course all entitled to your opinions.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:14:00 -
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my god you cancel naps easy, alts get killed all the time 150k lost isnt worth a war usless it is just an excuse for a war. Guess we all need some fun =)
The alt was tagged DSIN.
Originally we were told we had a NAP by Vincent from Tundragon, apparently the rest of the alliance didnt officially know about it, hence why the kestrel was killed.
I wasnt happy about the situation regarding their lack of communication, and told em to shove whatever nap or proposal they had, they did offer an "official nap" there and then I think, if I remember rightly.
But yeah its a great excuse for a war aint it, Ive certainly had fun ganking them. 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:38:00 -
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dont think forum posts will help here at all 
Wanna fly with me?
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:54:00 -
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Blacklight I wouldnt worry to much about ppl flaming your post, and tbh its seems close to my view on the situation just from your perspective. There view is the new guys were pushing them around and your's is you were securing your border and were trying not to tread on ppl's toes(My opinion of events dont wanna seem to be putting words in ppl's mouth's). The only point of contention I see is that you say there was no fade alliance at the time. I can assure you there is and has been for a long time.
limpy bint
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Jon Ogden
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Posted - 2004.03.31 01:30:00 -
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I am so glad this thread has been started, although I am not sure it is developing very constructively. Seems as though people would rather be stubborn and fight things out rather than work things out and I can understand that. Fighting in EVE is probably one of the best things about it.
Anyway, as members of The Confederation of Deklein (COD), Playboy Enterprises had pleasant experiences with RSA recently as they were helpful in our battles against The Jokers. We were happy to call them friends. However, once we saw that RSA was fighting on the same side with FE, we were forced to look twice at who our friends were. We have been ganked by FE multiple times in the past for no valid reason. As a result, we have always considered them to be pirates (or random gankers, or whatever you want to call them today). See here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=62333
Now itÆs becoming apparent that some ôgood guyö corporations and alliances (RKK/DSIN/RONA-KIA/etc.) consider RSA to be pirates as well. We want to make the right choice and side with the ôgood guysö but nobody can seem to agree who ôthe good guysö really are.
IÆd like to see this worked out somehow and hope this post will be bumped constantly until some issues are worked out.
PS: SweatySack... I like your haircut. Seems we have the same stylist!
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.03.31 01:43:00 -
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ah yes, the exzodier incident. that event has been laid to rest and buried loooong ago, ask lythsia.
however, for your information, exzodier went back to huff to pirate; so you could consider exzo and huff pirates...how that applies to the remaining FAITHFUL F-E, I cannot tell you. You seem to have your own opinions on the matter.
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |
Phonix
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Posted - 2004.03.31 01:45:00 -
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my god you cancel naps easy, alts get killed all the time 150k lost isnt worth a war usless it is just an excuse for a war. Guess we all need some fun =)
The alt was tagged DSIN.
Originally we were told we had a NAP by Vincent from Tundragon, apparently the rest of the alliance didnt officially know about it, hence why the kestrel was killed.
I wasnt happy about the situation regarding their lack of communication, and told em to shove whatever nap or proposal they had, they did offer an "official nap" there and then I think, if I remember rightly.
But yeah its a great excuse for a war aint it, Ive certainly had fun ganking them.
First off Toulak m8 you guys would have nothing with out RKK/NORAD/HUFF everytime we have came to ur so called home in EC-P8R you guys run into empire and log the only thing you guys do is say that ur ganking us but for some reason i dont see you doing. RKK has alot more threat than DSIN.. So quit with the ganking stuff..
And btw Blacklight man you really need to stop pressing auto pilot on, after you been to the bar
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.03.31 01:50:00 -
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The only point of contention I see is that you say there was no fade alliance at the time. I can assure you there is and has been for a long time.
I now know there was a Fade Alliance, not disputing that, I am saying that at the time we first came to Fade none was evident.
All this politicking makes for some interesting fun and games though ;)
If we can keep this discussion flame free it should be quite an interesting little thread!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.03.31 01:53:00 -
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And btw Blacklight man you really need to stop pressing auto pilot on, after you been to the bar
I consider it a public service, providing entertainment and targets to some of the universes downtrodden ;)
Eve Blacklight Style
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.03.31 02:12:00 -
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First off Toulak m8 you guys would have nothing with out RKK/NORAD/HUFF everytime we have came to ur so called home in EC-P8R you guys run into empire and log the only thing you guys do is say that ur ganking us but for some reason i dont see you doing. RKK has alot more threat than DSIN.. So quit with the ganking stuff..
Thats funny Phonix, I do recall ganking your scorpion 20 minutes after you declared war on us, solely DSIN.
Oh and we sat in EC-P8R for a week, never was once forced to ran, ganked ship upon ship, even tried to get your alliance to engage a DSIN task force in EC-P8R for some fleet action but you pulled out.
So kindly stfu
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.03.31 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: SweatySack on 31/03/2004 03:12:41
Ok im going to say this once and thats it. The topic hear was to tell everyone that RSA are not pirates. Now this post has become a ***** fest. As I stated before Toulak...the NAP was never heard about. Vincent blade had no power in the alliance. If we would have heard about it then we would never have fired. That doesnt matter now. What does matter is that everyone is calling us pirates just so they have an excuse to kill us. BNC attacked FREEE because we were "conspiring". FREEE never considered this an act of pirating from BNC. RSA attacks Arcadia because they were "conspiring" and we get labled as pirates? We had a few days of fun in EC-P8R. I think we killed some frigs and a few cruisers that day. We also killed one BS or so outside of EC-P8R on that same day. This was the first day we were a full fledged alliance. Since that day the only pirating done by RSA was from the corps that have left of been kicked out. If I am not mistaken the pirating took place after these corps left RSA. If they did not remove the RSA tag then that was their fault not ours. We learned that day that if we became pirates that we would have all of eve coming down on us. So we stoped it. Also to BNC if you guys heard of any warning that we were going to attack it would have been from the FADE ALLIANCE channel that we let a few of your members in. Therefore you would have known we had many members but held no claim to fade but all made it a home and did not like your un announced presence. The main reason FREEE did not like BNC is because fade was open. If everyone could have seen the belts in fade after FE came up you would have been mad too. The roids FADE ALLIANCE was mining for months were extremly hurt. Even with BNC's no roid poping rule. FREEE never would have gotten back up if BNC wouldnt have attacked us. 2 Hours after Roba was podded by BNC I had everyone in fade alliance ready to organize and take you guys out. BTW Roba was repairing his mega outside the station when he was attacked by a dozen BNC battleships. No warning at all. Also to those complaining that we teamed up with FE...let me spoil some of the fun for you. The first people I asked for help was PA. I may be wrong but I think I mailed Darth Solo about this. If not him I talked to about 3 members from CDI and one from 20th Legion. They all said they did not want to help and pretty much said they didnt give a ****. I helped PA defend venal from an attack from Evolution. I killed 2 EVOL BB in pure blind to help them out. After I had made 30 jumps to come to Venal to help(2am I belive). I was told I had to leave...and that PA could not gurantee my saftey as I was leaving. They did not mean EVOL attacking me....They were not sure if PA boarder guards would let me out. After all this bull I still looked to them as a friendly group and asked for their help. I never went crying to FE to come help us out. The only person I asked was Hupa who just happened to be visiting the Fade Alliance channel that night. FE came in w/o any of us knowing about it. Me and Brudoc were about 70 jumps from fade mining and heard about this. Before I fully knew the reason for FE being there I was about to see of PA wanted to help one more time. Thats when I learned FE was helping us take the region back. When we set up RSA we asked every corp in fade if they wanted to be a part of us. Mostly everyone did...there was even a discussion whether or not to let TDG and spang join. But they were fade locals as much as the rest of us were so we let them. Other than those first nights RSA never pirated. Even Tundragon and The Spang cut out the pirating. As I said before...if your looking to kill pirates go elsewhere. There are none in fade anymore.
Also on a side note...if you guys hate pirates so much...WTF are you doing fighting with HUFF. HUFF are known pirates...they still are pirates and the so called "pirate hunters" are working with them. Cut the bull**** and be men/women enough to just say you want to kill people. Stop hiding behind the "We are attacking you cuz your pirates" story. I posted this to get answers...not bull
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.03.31 03:06:00 -
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Also one more thing. If you guys honestly want to talk peace mail me in the game and set up a time when we can do it. RSA is not going to die. I know you guys have the upperhand but the last few nights we have been killing more ships than you have distroyed of ours. I 3 days I beleive I was the only BS taken out from the invading force. Im not bragging cuz it could go the other way tomorrow. Im just pointing out that we would have left by now if we didnt think we could win. Moral in RSA is higher than it has ever been. Most of you have said that you do not want to claim the region. If this is true then you might want to worry about what your corps goals are. If we get in a big battle and lose every BS in our fleet we will be back up in fade in less than a week refitted for battle...this is how it will always be if there is no peace. Frankly I wish it would stop tonight. I would rather be mining and building up my corps power than fighting with you guys.
One more note. Darth solo should be able to tell you all that I am no pirate. I went out with a celes battle group on 2 occasions hunting EPA and HUFF.
Another note. If you want to have peace negotiations it will simply be a cease fire...no payments, no merging...and RSA will still control fade and keep the boarders closed.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.03.31 03:22:00 -
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I know you guys have the upperhand but the last few nights we have been killing more ships than you have distroyed of ours. I 3 days I beleive I was the only BS taken out from the invading force.
You keep telling yourself that bud, if it makes you feel better, but I can assure you, you arnt the only battleship death in the last 3 days. I think your alliance needs to work on communication BIG TIME.
But whatcha want peace for, wheres the fun in that, I thought you were enjoying all this pvp'ing?
Well thats what you kept on telling me anyway...
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Landmass
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Posted - 2004.03.31 03:30:00 -
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I think Sweaty lost his battleship. So sad. :(
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.31 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 31/03/2004 03:46:44
I think Toulak has the wrong profession... I feel... his dark side.
His instict is so powerful, I don't think he is able to communicate or negotiate at all, all he wants is to fight, blood, destruction, death.
He even let 8RAM, a young bb pilot, die in front of his eyes... and I don't think he was sorry for her, all he saw was me and all he thought of was the battle. This is pure darkness I tell you...
I think it's time for the Oracle darth solo to tell us about the future of this lost dark soul.
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BATT
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Posted - 2004.03.31 04:45:00 -
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sweatysack,quote
"Another note. If you want to have peace negotiations it will simply be a cease fire...no payments, no merging...and RSA will still control fade and keep the boarders closed.""
I hope you understand that is a very arrogant statement,
so you get what you want and you give nothing in return..
I dont think anybody will go for that..
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EvilWezal
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Posted - 2004.03.31 05:55:00 -
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Sweaty, please please please use paragraph's mate!!! my eyes hurt from that reading. I had to hold a piece of papers up to the screen so I could stay on track!
Also, please dont start posting what your ALLiance has killed, its pointless really. We keep a thread on our forum for kills and its about 5 pages long now.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.03.31 05:57:00 -
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Sweaty mate, I've looked at our kill list tonight and you guys have been absolutely rolled over in the last week. We've killed over 15 BS, 10 Cruisers, 4 Frigates and 2 Haulers in the last week all belonging to RSA.
We've lost 1 Raven, 1 Arma, 1 Mega, 2 BB's, a Caracal and approx 3 frigates.
Those kills don't count the 3 CoD BS's, 2 CoD crisers and 3 CoD frigates also shot in the last 5 days, nor do they count the FE BS blown up in the fleet battle at the weekend. Our losses do include that battle, in fact they are total losses in engagements in the Fade and Pure Blind region in the last week with both you, CoD & FE.
There's probably some overlap with the other corps attacking you but those are all the kills BNC/HMMI have been present for.
As for talking peace, not on the table as far as I know.
Apparently some of the other Corps involved have agreed a CF with CoD but they've not asked us for one, so as far as we're concerned it's all still full on in Fade. See you in space ;)
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