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Boid
Gallente
Weirdwood
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Posted - 2008.02.20 16:13:00 -
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As a matter of interest I wrote a quick app to pull the data from Bob's killboard for previous 365 days until today - 20th Feb 2008. Here are some of the raw numbers.
Total BoB kills - 78273
ISK value lost to BoB kills: 2249888920858
Total number Bob deaths: 21685
ISK value of BoB deaths: 735724728762
Before anyone jumps in I know this isn't accurate and is simply the view from the BoB killboards, there will be gross inaccuracies and it is no doubt horribly biased.
The graphs for this data over the entire 365 days are generally fairly constant with 5 noticeable massive spike periods, I assume mothership or dreadnought losses account for these.
The ISK numbers actually aren't as huge as I thought they were going to be, just a little short of 3 trillion. Then again, I'm glad it didn't come out of my pocket!
Anyway, useless information I'm sure but I thought I'd share it nonetheless.
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Stoggaf
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Stoggaf on 20/02/2008 17:32:03
Myself and a team of my work colleagues who also play EVE have written a script that is currently in the process of scanning multiple kill boards belonging to different alliances participating in the war. It takes the data from both sides. It processes the data in a number of extremely complex steps. I'll provide a brief overview of these steps.
Upon first extraction from a kill board, it scans the database for duplicate kill mails. Provided it is not a duplicate kill mail the kill mail will enter the next stage of the process. The kill mails extracted from each kill board must have certain attributes to qualify as adding to the total cost of the war. Once a kill mail gets through, and the requirements of the kill mails attributes have been met, the script defines how much the loss was worth based upon current prices on the market in Jita. The prices, we acquire from another script which accurately logs market prices and holds the average price which I will not get in to. If anyone would like to review the source code of the script, it can be found in the link at the bottom of this post.
Anyway, once the script has finished scanning hopefully we will have a very accurate estimate at the cost in ships and poses so far for either side. I wont expect to have a fully accurate estimation for about another week and a bit.
We've currently made our way through near 70,000 kill mails, and so far the cost is well over 9000 billion isk.
Links
Link to source code.
Link to data presentation.
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Razvic
Minmatar
Wolfen Holding Company
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Posted - 2008.02.21 02:07:00 -
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 02:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Razvic
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NeoTheo
Final Conflict UK
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Muro Deez
Originally by: Boid
I occasionally browse the killboards of the involved alliances and I find the losses in terms of isk absolutely staggering even on a daily basis, I can barely comprehend the accumulated cost over the course of an entire campaign. Just how damaging are these multi-billion losses on a daily basis to a large corporation? Is it a constant battle to replenish these losses or are they easily absorbed?
As said above, most corps don't have reimbursement plans in place, a lot of the cost is borne by the pilots. Speaking for myself, it's not difficult to replace lost ships.
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I can just about understand how the Coalition can manage, with easy access to all of the resources in EVE but even then such losses much surely hurt? How BoB manages to keep going is beyond me, I can only imagine that there are enormous stockpiles of ships and equipment. It's likely that I'm being incredibly naive in assuming these things are even a problem for either the Coalition or BoB and showing my complete lack of large corporation operations. I'm guessing that individual members of a corporation aren't expected to replace their own losses whilst fighting a war?
Yes, individual pilots replace their own stuff unless there are plans in place for it ie. capital reimbursement or the like. BoB's income has been cut dramatically over the last few months, so I'd say while they may still be breaking even, they're probably dipping into their savings from the last year or two.
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As I said, it's genuine curiosity that raises these questions, I'm fascinated by the logistics that must go into feeding a campaign of this magnitude.
Here's a good figure for you: isk involved in pos logistics for campaigns like delve are often only 10-20% of an alliance's overall monthly fuel cost. Towers and modules aren't actually that expensive.
OMG OMG OMG, a none smacky response from a goon, :)
SIR I SALUTE YOU!
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Suckjob
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:47:00 -
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I'd imagine the cost to most alliances is huge except for Goons who seem content to use scrap setups whilst their allies lose caps.
GG
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Reacz
Caldari
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:49:00 -
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The Cost:
My sanity as it slowly bleeds away because of all the douchebaggery.
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DoctorGonzo
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:58:00 -
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Key assumptions in working out the cost of the war,
On average there's been 40k accounts involved
Average cost per account ú12 per month
The war has been running for about 12 months
40,000 x ú12 x 12 months = ú5,760,000
Basically the cost of the war to the players involved is a staggering ú5.76 million.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Basically the cost of the war to the players involved is a staggering ú5.76 million.
Dunno what the ISK price is but I'm pretty sure we could get oort a new titan for that aswell as a new MS for us :)
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Mele
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:54:00 -
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I dont actually think the cost of this 'great war' is very high at all because in order to work out the cost of it imo you need to compare it to the cost of a non great war period. If there wasnt a great war on atm then there would still be loads of alliance wars going on all over the place. Some want power, some want glory, some just wanna fight and some just like seeing expensive things go pop, and because of that there will allways be isk lost to fights. Its just because of the current polarized political situation with most of the eve population split into 2 camps duking it out for over a year now that makes it look like loads of isk is being lost.
Imho the true 'cost' of this war should be calculated in terms systems and assets won and lost. Or political clout/influence gained or lost. Because a station in a rich constellation, access to a top plex, top mineral moons or from a political pov even the preception of your military might by other alliances far outweight the cost of ships and modules.
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Akov Stohs
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.21 16:01:00 -
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Just fyi, my corp has a full replacement policy. I've not spent any isk of my own yet this war.
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