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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
217
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:58:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:no-names and npc alts posting YOU ARE IRRELEVANT is one of the more entertaining parts of the csm cycle
This is my main--now that you mention it, though, who are all these generic Goon-fluffers popping up here, anyway?
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
217
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:59:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:The Mittani wrote:is this the actual aspie from last year? anyway, in a position where persuasion matters, charisma is aptitude.
sorry about your foreveralone Case in point. You are just a repellent, loud, up-its'-own-arse little tool who's outlived its' service-life, and doesn't want to face its' impending obsolescence. Bye! I can haz ur stuffs? are you roleplaying, idgi
Yeah, I'll just bet you don't.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5042
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:09:00 -
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you /are/ roleplaying
how adorable! The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
723
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:51:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:The Mittani wrote:is this the actual aspie from last year? anyway, in a position where persuasion matters, charisma is aptitude.
sorry about your foreveralone Case in point. You are just a repellent, loud, up-its'-own-arse little tool who's outlived its' service-life, and doesn't want to face its' impending obsolescence. Bye! I can haz ur stuffs?
its***************************************************************************************************************************
I'm sorry, I refuse to vote or support anyone too stupid to use simple grammar correctly. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
217
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:00:00 -
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Sverige Pahis wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:The Mittani wrote:is this the actual aspie from last year? anyway, in a position where persuasion matters, charisma is aptitude.
sorry about your foreveralone Case in point. You are just a repellent, loud, up-its'-own-arse little tool who's outlived its' service-life, and doesn't want to face its' impending obsolescence. Bye! I can haz ur stuffs? its*************************************************************************************************************************** I'm sorry, I refuse to vote or support anyone too stupid to use simple grammar correctly.
Who said I was running? I'd flirted with the idea of doing so, true, but then sanity re-asserted itself. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
217
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:01:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:you /are/ roleplaying
how adorable!
Will u b my space-fwiend, Massa Mittiez?
[/sarcasm]
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9828
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:47:00 -
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Lyrrashae do you prefer d10 dice pool systems or d20 systems for your role playing games? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:02:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote: Goons love to post. It's what we do. More than we enjoy playing video games, or reading comic books, or talking about bit coins, we love to post. We just can't get enough. .
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Stop the Clock! Posting about Bitcoins is the best thing ever. Even the hilariously bad Xenuria and D3 threads don't come close to even the mildest of Bitcoin discussions.
Anyway, since I get payed billions by the alliance every month to post in various threads on this forum:
I also think that people are stupid when they have imo wrong rationalisations for whatever they believe in. That stands for people that are religious, people that vote Republican etc.
Still I don't whine about it, I try to change it by providing a better alternative. Most of the candidacys on this forum are straight-up ********. They don't have any position whatsoever (just look at D3, he runs solely on the basis that he doesn't like goons), or have stupid ideas (Xenuria, who coincidently also hates goons).
Of course I vote for who I think can best represent my oppinions in the game, why wouldn't I? And it's absolutely not out fault, that most people are too stupid to see that they could easily select csm members that represent their interests. If you want no goons on the CSM, get people to vote. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
218
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Posted - 2012.02.16 05:06:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Lyrrashae do you prefer d10 dice pool systems or d20 systems for your role playing games?
d20, all the way!
E: Now where did I just put mine, anyway? Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 08:07:00 -
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Go to sleep, wake up and see thread has progressed by 3 pages http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/psyduck.gif
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
(I tend to {snip} quote people in order to show where I am directing my response.)
I can agree that being able to communicate effectively is one skill that CSM would need. However, as it stands, CCP are getting a group of people best suited for public relations not those who would would be able to filter information and give them the best over all direction.
"Giving players what they want is exactly what you do not want."
Look at each of the CSM candidates. They have personal agendas and they are saying what will appeal to as many people as possible. "Hehe, he is funny I will vote for him." "That one wants the same win button as I do!"
They are short sighted and won't be helping to arbitrate with CCP what is best for the game in general.
So are you saying that no-one in CSM 6 could aptly give advice/criticisms outside of their usual play style? Trebor couldn't talk about running low-sec incursions because he has never done them (No Idea if he has or not, examples are fun), White tree could never give advice about being an Englishman because he's from Ireland, etc. You seem to be complaining that the current CSM are akin to frat boys with no experiences and no ability to "Filter information". I'd dispute this I has have yet to see any modules that allow freighter pilots to scan the other side of a gate, no 'mini' ships or "Heavy mining" ships so I would say their ability to filter information is working perfectly fine.
Though it seems you are more complaining that either your specific side is not adequately represented, in which case I must seriously reiterate the fact that the CSMs are there to talk about all aspects of EVE at the moment in an objective manner. Not to just sit there and say "No, sorry. I'm a null-sec CSM, I can't talk about low-sec incursions or mining operations."
That's the trouble with the people not the system. The people are the ones going "LOL LOOK AT THE GOON TEARS. +1 MEJT." instead of wondering if they will actually have the cognitive capacity to look beyond their own experiences and step out of their shoes to deal with a problem.
I don't see how any other system would help in this situation anyway. Would you like CCP to administer an IQ test? Ask for several hypothetical solutions before their accept your application? Would you like 1 representative from null-sec, 1 from low-sec, etc, etc ,etc.
In any case I agree with some of the goons in this thread, if you want to have a hand in the change in EVE and contribute to the over development of the game get a coalition going. The alternate delegates (who still have access to the forums/skype/etc) won with a fraction of the votes last year. The lowest was Darius with 921, that isn't a huge number but it's enough to get you onto the alternate delegation squad (Funky music plays). You have a year from roughly now to begin building a base of supporters, learning all the other parts of EVE (So that you can adequately represent them all and understand their various problems) and then put in your application. That's what I plan to do, BORIS LACHENKOV FOR CSM 8.
huehuehuehuehue. |
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Leontyne Gaterau
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
31
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:10:00 -
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More people need to get worked up about the process of voting for seven people to get drunk in Iceland on your PLEX's dime and seven more people to Skype with them while CCP :ccp:. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9841
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Posted - 2012.02.16 09:28:00 -
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Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
444
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:25:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:If you refuse to acknowledge victory or defeat conditions for your side of an argument, then how do you expect others to have a reasoned discussion with you? Argument precludes discussion.
Boris Lachenkov wrote: Though it seems you are more complaining that either your specific side is not adequately represented, in which case I must seriously reiterate the fact that the CSMs are there to talk about all aspects of EVE at the moment in an objective manner. .
I don't have a side and that is the problem, you can talk of the ideals but people are voting for sides and on bias. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:30:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Argument precludes discussion.
I don't have a side and that is the problem, you can talk of the ideals but people are voting for sides and on bias.
No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument An argument is a form of discussion. You are thinking of the generic version that includes shouting at someone till they stop talking.
So you don't have a side to feel inadequately represented but you feel inadequately represented. Perhaps it's just me but I'm having a bit of trouble understanding your point any more, however, the right idea is to still switch from a democratic system to a completely different one due to people not voting for an undefined 'better' candidate? That seems kind of pointless and hard to achieve. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:02:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera, does your fursuit double as a hugbox?
I don't mean to offend, I'm just asking questions. |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
299
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:10:00 -
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CONFRIMIGN FUR REALS ?
ALSO NOW IST TO BEIGN ABSTANE ? ARE YO SERIOS ?
ALSO CONFRIMIGN ALRED IST C300,000 ACCOUNT NOT VOTIGN LAS YEAR. IF MOR IST ABSTANE IT JUST MAKIGN SAM CANDATES GETTIGN IN AGANE, NOTHIGN CAHNGE. INSTED MAK MOR VOTE. MOR VOTIGN FUR FRINGES CANDATES LIKE TREBOR, ELSIE AND SELEENA AND MINTROLIO
I RELY NO UNEDERSTANDIGN THESE POSITON. YOU NOT LIKE SITATON THEN CHANGEIGN IT. MAK MOR VOTES.
NOT VOTE IS JUS NOT OPTOIN.
I WANT NO MOR TO HERE OF THESE. RELY I AM VER VER ANGYRY ON THESE. MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Jenshae Chiroptera
444
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:26:00 -
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Mintrolio wrote:Confirming this is for real?
Also now we start abstaining? Are you serious?
Additionally, confirming that 300 000 accounts did not vote last year. If more are abstaining it will just mean the same candidates get in again. Nothing changes! Instead we need more votes. More votes for fringe candidates such as Trebor, Elsie, Seleena and myself.
I really do not understand your position. You do not like the situation then change it. Make more votes.
Not voting is just not an option.
I declare that I want to hear no more about this. Truly I am very angry about this.
I believe that it does not matter who gets voted into the CSM. I think the merit in an abstain shows CCP how many people did make the effort to vote but have no faith in CSM or the candidates.
Thus, it would demonstrate how seriously CCP should regard the options of the CSM based on how many people are saying, "These people do not represent me." Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
50
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:08:00 -
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I for one do see the merit's of an active abstain vote. An active abstain means you are willing to vote, however the representatives that are running are not in line with your own opinions and thus you wish not to vote for the "lesser evil"
To take it even further I would add a button to vote against the concept of the CSM as a whole in the current setup.
Maybe people refuse to vote because they don't think the CSM in it's current setup is a real functionable tool to represent the playerbase. This can have several reasons like this thread already is trying to find out.
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Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:26:00 -
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I agree with an active abstain, it would be interesting to see by what % voting participation goes up if this were to go in. It's a good metric for CCP as well. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:13:00 -
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I will support this if Jenshae Chiroptera promises to write the number of active abstains on his forehead and post a picture to this thread when the election is done. |
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Tubrug1
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:17:00 -
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notsureifserious.jpg Don't listen to what i say |
Tubrug1
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:17:00 -
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Double post- facepalm.jpg Don't listen to what i say |
Jenshae Chiroptera
446
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:54:00 -
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Boris Lachenkov wrote:I agree with an active abstain, it would be interesting to see by what percentage voting participation goes up if this were to go in. It's a good metric for CCP as well.
Indeed. However, it will need to be coupled with some notification from CCP. I suspect that many players are in hopeless apathy. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2100
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:59:00 -
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victory goes to the best organized groups, deal with it yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
RUS Comannder
Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards
15
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:18:00 -
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CCP - Give us the "NONE OF THE ABOVE" voting option so we can vote out the whole twisted from its original intention CSM system. Or give us the option to for OR AGAINST each delegate.
What we have come to is a table full of people who represent their own individual interests and not the interests of the players, except the players who share their interests by some sheer accident.
Every government attempting a representational form of government has realized that an elected body of "at-large" delegates cannot represent anything but the single line of thought which elected them, so you can have one or one million representatives, but they are all representing only one slice of thought, which is far from the majority, of the constituents.
You must devise a way to to have delegates elected by different portions of the players in order to represent more than one line of thought. governments do this by region determined by residence. We have a problem establishing residence in space, but it would not be impossible to determine where a player has spent 75% of their time between one election and the next. Computers can do this by always knowing if a player is in null, low sec or high sec WHILE LOGGED ON and doing some mouse and/or keyboard activity during the period. Knowing some activity is happening is important or candidates will just park a toon in a different region to "rig" the election. Then when players attempt to vote, the candidates who can only represent the region in which they have residency, will be shown on their ballot. To keep with the representational method of most governments, the number of representatives would be determined by the number of residents of each region, thus giving each player equal representational opportunities.
As it is now, voter apathy leads to a few people backed by large alliances getting elected to their Icelandic Vacation Program. Every year, I keep waiting to see a candidate whose platform has anything on it which seems of interest to the quite popular segment of players who pursue the same type of game play as I prefer.
If you intend to keep it as it is now - simplify it and let the five largest alliances send 3 delegates each. You will most likely get the same guys as you have now.
Give us the "none of the above" or the "yes or no" vote and see how much voter apathy there is then. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9855
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:44:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:The Mittani wrote:is this the actual aspie from last year? anyway, in a position where persuasion matters, charisma is aptitude.
sorry about your foreveralone Case in point. You are just a repellent, loud, up-its'-own-arse little tool who's outlived its' service-life, and doesn't want to face its' impending obsolescence. Bye! I can haz ur stuffs? Of what is this a case in point, other than your inability to use apostrophes correctly? Oh, is "its'" incorrect? I've seen it both with and without the apostrophe quite frequently, but if so...hey, kudos to you, space-friend, for catching my mistake. (You know what a stickler I can normally be for that kind of thing, after all ) "Its" is the possessive form of "it," denoting the long-form phrase "belonging to the entity referred to by the pronoun it". "It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is," denoting literally "it is".
Apostrophes are never used to denote plural forms of words. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:49:00 -
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RUS Comannder wrote: (a bunch of nonsense that I'm not reprinting)
Most nullsec players have at least one empire alt that they actually log in and do things with, so basically your proposal is stupid.
What about someone whose character is a trader type who likes to run things between highsec, lowsec, and null? What region does that person belong to?
If you feel your point of view represents the majority of Eve players, get off your fat butt and organize those players into a voting bloc. If they actually don't care, then guess what, that means they actually don't care. There's not some evil external force that stops them from caring.
You're just lazy and want CCP to organize your voting bloc for you. Good luck with that. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:57:00 -
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RUS Comannder wrote: What we have come to is a table full of people who represent their own individual interests and not the interests of the players, except the players who share their interests by some sheer accident.
Yeah, all those people who accidentally voted. How embarrassing. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:05:00 -
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Also, why do people keep comparing the CSM to a representational government? The CSM exists to communicate the desires of the players to CCP, so that CCP can turn a profit on internet spaceships. If you abstain (deliberately or not) from the CSM vote and continue to pay for your subscription then the message you're sending to CCP is pretty obvious. If you don't vote and then cancel your subscription, CCP is going to pay even more attention to the CSM so it can hang on to its existing player base. |
Prince Kobol
210
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:01:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Snip
So what you are saying is that it is wrong for a group of people who all share the same goals to vote for a person who is acting as a spoke persons for their group. |
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