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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:27:00 -
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Tyrion Struan wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: The more you try to "call out" The Mittani, the more you are going to encourage him.
In other words: "Do not argue with a fool as they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."? This is why no one argues with you darling, there is just now way to get that low. I dare say the reason no one argues with Jenshae Chiroptera is because that forums user does not present arguments which may be reasonably debated. The lack of a gender specific pronoun is in no way meant to be sexist. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10026
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:28:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tyrion Struan wrote:Commander McSpacepants wrote: The Mittani should be covered in 300 pounds of metal. Made to wear huge earphones blasting Celine Dion and big glasses meant to blind him and give him headaches. He must also wear a red rubber nose and black caps over his teeth.
I think I can assure you that the above doesn't sound like a bad thing at all compared to shifting through the badposting going on here. Now that, that is showing commitment! Speaking of which: "I think that I can assure you, the above statement does not sound at all like a bad thing compared to sifting through the poor posting in this thread, which requires a great deal of commitment." To be fair, this is a very low-content/low-effort thread. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
455
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:30:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:In my experience, neither in real life nor on the Internet does the statement immediately following "So what you are saying is ..." tend to accurately represent what the quoted speaker had previously said.
Lyris Nairn wrote:In my experience, neither in real life nor on the Internet do the words immediately following "In other words," often reflect the accurate spirit and intent of the quoted person's words, and this is no exception.
You just copy and paste things? Maybe got yourself a bot to write your posts for you? Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Tyrion Struan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:32:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tyrion Struan wrote:Commander McSpacepants wrote: The Mittani should be covered in 300 pounds of metal. Made to wear huge earphones blasting Celine Dion and big glasses meant to blind him and give him headaches. He must also wear a red rubber nose and black caps over his teeth.
I think I can assure you that the above doesn't sound like a bad thing at all compared to shifting through the badposting going on here. Now that, that is showing commitment! Speaking of which: "I think that I can assure you, the above statement does not sound at all like a bad thing compared to sifting through the poor posting in this thread, which requires a great deal of commitment."
Aww, look at that. It always makes me happy when the oly thing left to retort with is correcting my spelling and grammar. You're cute! |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10027
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:33:00 -
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Here's another one you'll likely claim is copy-and-pasted (as though it were at all relevant): you will gain no ground in an argument with me by presenting logical fallacies. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
455
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Posted - 2012.02.17 19:44:00 -
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*Takes a deep breathe.* I love the smell of such fine forum PVP. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10029
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:03:00 -
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And have you any arguments to present? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:10:00 -
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I do understand where the fear comes from when discussing the option of an active abstain button.
It could actually show there are more people against the circus called "CSM" than there are pro-CSM people. As such the "glorious" position of chairman or woman wouldn't be as shiney as some try to call out anymore.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10029
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:20:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:I do understand where the fear comes from when discussing the option of an active abstain button.
It could actually show there are more people against the circus called "CSM" than there are pro-CSM people. As such the "glorious" position of chairman or woman wouldn't be as shiney as some try to call out anymore.
I would think the fear would be on the part of CCP, because it would potentially reveal one of their big things to be a flop. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
51
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:57:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:I would think the fear would be on the part of CCP, because it would potentially reveal one of their big things to be a flop.
Or on the part of Mittens because then all of a sudden his gloating would be proven more as bloating. |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:10:00 -
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yes he'd only be the guy heading the most successful alliance in eve |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10030
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:13:00 -
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~heh~ Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10030
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:13:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I would think the fear would be on the part of CCP, because it would potentially reveal one of their big things to be a flop. Or on the part of Mittens because then all of a sudden his gloating would be proven more as bloating. The very worst case scenario for "The Mittani" is that he loses interest in EVE Online entirely, and turns his focus onto World of Tanks or Skyrim, or to some other hobby besides video games. The very worst case scenario for CCP is that their flagship product appears less appealing, and less money comes into their coffers from investors and subscribers. I'm not sure whether it's intentional, childish bickering, or genuine naivete, that's compelling you to overlook "the big picture". Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:48:00 -
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Gather 'round, children, grandpa's gonna tell the story about the time when he was a very important person in an internet spaceships game. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:56:00 -
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Tell me a story...
Bark |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10032
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:22:00 -
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We're all ears Johnny Marzetti Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
456
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:16:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:I do understand where the fear comes from when discussing the option of an active abstain button.
It could actually show there are more people against the circus called "CSM" than there are pro-CSM people. As such the "glorious" position of chairman or woman wouldn't be as shiney as some try to call out anymore.
Thanks. Added to OP. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
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Posted - 2012.02.18 07:29:00 -
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As usual, this thread has disintegrated into a handful of Goony Toons (loved reading that ealrier) sitting on the sidelines sniping away like little children sitting in th back of the classroom making wisecracks while leading the OP through a set of hoops all designed to trip up the logic and discourage any real discussion on the issue. Yes, if they shout it down long enough, it turns to goo.
CCP has to realize that the only people represented by the CSM are the ones who voted, so the smaller the field of voters, the smaller the value of the CSM becomes.
Yeah, CCP - hire the pros and get a first class marketing firm as that guy said a few pages back.
This whole "high school student government" experiment has proven itself useless.
Let the power hungry satisfy their self esteem issues within corps and alliances and let the rest of us just a play a game devised and refined by adults. Why should the vast majority of players, who just want to play, have to organize and become more successful at power seeking just so we can dismantle that failed paradigm, anyway?
Just recognize the voter turnout for what it is - a small portion of the player base wanting to impose their views on the vast majority of the players who don't choose to play the part of the game they think we should.
And as that guy earlier said, go ahead and attack me personally for my bald head and any typos I may have made, but - OMG - stick to the nonsense, because we all want to avoid the real issue here anyway!
I should have quoted that single voice of reason, but hell, I'm no froum rat who knows all those little secrets. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.02.18 07:39:00 -
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JusFooling Around wrote:sitting on the sidelines sniping away like little children sitting in th back of the classroom making wisecracks More like Rokhs shooting railguns at 250km right?
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
216
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Posted - 2012.02.18 11:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: More like Rokhs shooting railguns at 250km right?
No-one cares.
Internet Spaceships =/= serious business for those of us who have friends and lives, sorry.
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10061
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Posted - 2012.02.18 16:05:00 -
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JusFooling Around wrote:As usual, this thread has disintegrated into a handful of Goony Toons (loved reading that ealrier) sitting on the sidelines sniping away like little children sitting in th back of the classroom making wisecracks while leading the OP through a set of hoops all designed to trip up the logic and discourage any real discussion on the issue. Yes, if they shout it down long enough, it turns to goo.
CCP has to realize that the only people represented by the CSM are the ones who voted, so the smaller the field of voters, the smaller the value of the CSM becomes.
Yeah, CCP - hire the pros and get a first class marketing firm as that guy said a few pages back.
This whole "high school student government" experiment has proven itself useless.
Let the power hungry satisfy their self esteem issues within corps and alliances and let the rest of us just a play a game devised and refined by adults. Why should the vast majority of players, who just want to play, have to organize and become more successful at power seeking just so we can dismantle that failed paradigm, anyway?
Just recognize the voter turnout for what it is - a small portion of the player base wanting to impose their views on the vast majority of the players who don't choose to play the part of the game they think we should.
And as that guy earlier said, go ahead and attack me personally for my bald head and any typos I may have made, but - OMG - stick to the nonsense, because we all want to avoid the real issue here anyway!
I should have quoted that single voice of reason, but hell, I'm no froum rat who knows all those little secrets. Everything you say makes sense, and that's where you've made a grave misstep. You are trying to fight nonsense with sense, and that battle cannot be won. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; RIFTERSWARM : Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.02.18 16:18:00 -
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I'm a goony toon and I vote.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10062
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Posted - 2012.02.18 16:19:00 -
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goonies toonies iskies Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; RIFTERSWARM : Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.02.18 18:31:00 -
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I like boobies. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10111
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Posted - 2012.02.18 18:45:00 -
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Vote for Xenuria so you can put boobies on your goonie toonie meight 07 Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Space Friend to All Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.02.18 18:58:00 -
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Goonie toonies with boobies and weenies? And they say democracy doesn't work.
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:10:00 -
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I see this OP is evolving, which is probably a good thing.
I seriously think what you are looking for rather than ABSTAIN is (no joke here):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_the_above
An abstain vote means you will allow others to make the decision for you. It is a formal version of not voting.
None of the Above (not talking about me) should mean to invalidate the election with no one winning if it comes in first. New elections with new nomination process would have to started.
In an election like this, not sure what it would mean if a real NOTA vote came in somewhere in the middle of the pack.
And yes that is the inspiration for my name.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=795254
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Jenshae Chiroptera
457
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Posted - 2012.02.18 22:29:00 -
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JusFooling Around wrote: CCP has to realize that the only people represented by the CSM are the ones who voted, so the smaller the field of voters, the smaller the value of the CSM becomes.
Thanks, added the meat of your post to the OP. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Jenshae Chiroptera
457
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Posted - 2012.02.19 06:24:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:An abstain vote means you will allow others to make the decision for you. It is a formal version of not voting.
Sometimes the absence of something said can tell you things. The main thing, calling it what you will is to have the option to say, "We can vote but we have no confidence in them or their group." Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Skex Relbore
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
78
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Posted - 2012.02.19 09:03:00 -
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(I hate the way this ******* forum eats posts)
A "None of the Above" option would not significantly affect the outcome of the CSM elections.
All forms of government rely on the consent of the governed, Even the most brutal dictator must have the "support" of the majority of their people. In this case support being defined as satisfied enough with the status quo to not take action to change it.
There is this saying that 90% of the battle is showing up (This coincidentally is why we own Branch while WN. is couch surfing), this applies just as much to democracy as any other activities.
Those who are active politically are generally the people who are dissatisfied and effected significantly enough by the status quo that the value of their time spent on affecting change is greater than their alternatives. The corollary being that those who are least active are those who are generally satisfied with the status quo.
Here is a brief history lesson of how CSM6 came about. For the first 5 cycles of the CSM program the null blocks generally ignored it as being a mostly irrelevant PR whitewash by CCP in the wake of the t20 debacle. The CSM didn't significantly affect them so they pretty much ignored it.
Then CSM5 said "hey removing jump bridges is a great idea" and CCP said "coolio".
Suddenly the CSM didn't seem like so much of a joke to those null power blocks. So they did what any interest group would do when faced with such a situation,
They organized, They created a platform they organized their constituency in many cases in game enemies put aside their differences to work towards a common cause and because of the general apathy towards the CSM process from the majority of the player base and the fragmented nature of other constituencies they were able to have a disproportionate affect on the outcome.
This happened because they gave enough of a **** about the outcome to take action.
The fact is that unless they are adversely affected by the actions of the CSM most people don't really give a rats ass who's on it. What difference does The_Mittani being the CSM chair have on the average high sec dweller? The answer is not a lot.
The_Mittani may be evil but he's not stupid so you won't see him advocating idiocy that would enrage the average high seccer enough to motivate them into action so don't expect him to start championing nerfs to incursions or moving L4s to low sec.
His detractors can cry boohoohoo "goons are a bunch meanies" until they are blue in the face and it won't have any affect on the outcome, because the average empire pubie isn't negatively affected by him being CSM. In fact those who are rational enough to look past his corp/alliance tag to the stuff he's actually advocated and accomplished, end up having to conclude that he's actually a very affective CSM Chair period.
BTW does anyone else find it interesting that the people who cry the most about wanting a Meritocracy are generally the people that such a system would place at the bottom of the heap.
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