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Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 03:45:00 - [1] The reality is, with the current game mechanics, Bob won't lose Delve unless it is through finally lagging out IRL! Currently, the game limits the size of fleet engagements to a playable 300ish in system, a death for the attackers (coalition)jumping in (400-600), to everyone crying at their comp at 600+. Bob will always be able to form up a fleet of 100+ for the big fights (with the intel of when the attacks are coming, which they have), and will be on the defensive (pos guns/gates camped and loaded/etc). Bob are a very well organized, supplied and skilled group of pvpers who have exceled in the game since its inception. This is not to downplay the coalitions pvpers at all, they also have great pvpers. But the strategy of overwhelming an opponent in a single system with such a low cap of possible players just doesn't work. If they used the high grade duct tape for the servers and gave the hamsters steroids... you could get the playable system amount to 1000-1500, then Delve would go down. Realistically, it wont happen any time soon! As for impartiality, I haven't really even been active in the game in about a year. I have been around since launch, but took alot of breaks! Fleet battles and lag get to ya after 12 hours a day of it. This guy was my first char, and was in Doped Players when they merged with Evolution (<3ed Faramir/DP Meph/Molle etc)before Bob was even a conception and max players online on Sunday was 2500. TBH, I am sure they wouldn't even remember my char... lol. But they were all good fun on TS, even if they did sound strange! Flown with many on the other side who were also awesome. Everyone who plays eve is cool in that not getting laid tonight kind of way:P I am also the infamous last owner of Tekforce! I got him about 6 months into game just when he joined Curse Alliance and played him from then on. Was never as good as the original, but held more than my own in most fights:) I can assure you, Bob will also never be short of cash. Just knowing what was in the hopper (cough-faramir-cough) back then, they will never run out of isk. With unlimited resources and the advantage of defense and lag cap, Delve isn't going anywhere. Sorry if this is long as hell, but after a few beers I can talk some ****! To those that have flown with Lucky One or Tek in the past, it was a pleasure, at least with most:) GL all, and I am sure Bob is loving every second of it. Their ego got really big, but they were never challenged. Now they are, and it is what they have always wanted! Have fun all! I'd come down to watch if it wouldn't result in adding to the lag!
SelfDestructiveInfluence Disband of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 03:46:00 - [2] i agree
Sinsalura id TECH	Posted - 2008.02.12 03:50:00 - [3] JV1V ~ id TECH ~ now recruiting
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:00:00 - [4] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:01:02 Originally by: Lucky One Their ego got really big, but they were never challenged. Now they are, and it is what they have always wanted! Have fun all! Actually I'm fairly sure (despite BoB's desperate revisionism) that they wanted to own and control all of 0.0 and rent out various chunks of it to the highest bidder. They've also historically gone after weaker alliances that they could steamroll and chestbeat about on these forums. They've also shown just how far they're willing to go to win (the Invincible Supercapital Era of March-June 2007, when they simply wouldn't fight without five motherships and two Titans in system) which negates any of their "good fight" bullshit. BoB have never wanted good fights, they've always wanted a turkey shoot. BoB have never had an enemy that posed them any kind of real threat. BoB have never wanted a challenge, they just want to steamroll their enemy using any kind of cheap tactic possible. BoB are revisionists and propagandists, constantly modifying their image and history to best suit them in the current situation. BoB's leadership has already mostly gone on "vacation." Lotka Volterra's leadership also went on "vacation" after the massacre of DG- 2-1 and the JV1V Abortion.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:04:00 - [5] Oh yeah, and let's not forget shooting through the POS shields, which their kind capital fleet leader and EVE Developer T20 taught them.
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:10:00 - [6] Historically, Bob played the game well enough to get to the very very top of the food chain of a painfully competitive game, period! For that, they deserve credit. They have come closer than anyone to actually beating an unbeatable game. You don't get most of the rest of a gaming community trying to kill you without having attacked most of them at some point or another. Nor do you own that much space with so few numbers without seeking challenges. I am not talking about individual system wins. This is all doable. I am saying when you get down to the 3-4 core alamo systems.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Lucky One Historically, Bob played the game well enough to get to the very very top of the food chain of a painfully competitive game, period! For that, they deserve credit. They have come closer than anyone to actually beating an unbeatable game. You don't get most of the rest of a gaming community trying to kill you without having attacked most of them at some point or another. Nor do you own that much space with so few numbers without seeking challenges. I am not talking about individual system wins. This is all doable. I am saying when you get down to the 3-4 core alamo systems. That maybe so but they had to resort to cheating with the help of devs in order to get there.
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:21:00 - [8] Its not just me that laughs when Goons attempt to act as if they have some kind of moral high ground is it?
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Originally by: Dog Solitude Its not just me that laughs when Goons attempt to act as if they have some kind of moral high ground is it? We have never had a developer in command of our capital ship fleet or had a developer spawn T2 blueprints for us. Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No.
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Originally by: Dog Solitude Its not just me that laughs when Goons attempt to act as if they have some kind of moral high ground is it? We have never had a developer in command of our capital ship fleet or had a developer spawn T2 blueprints for us. Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No. I gotta be honest with you, threatening and insulting the real lives of players and their families....I dunno....seems a bit worse. I don't think I'm alone here.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:33:00 - [11] Actually the goons do have the moral high ground. They formed to kill cheating blockheads that need dev's help to win. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Actually the goons do have the moral high ground. They formed to kill cheating blockheads that need dev's help to win. Thanks for this.
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:39:00 - [13] Let's not let this roll into another stream of hate mail. I am sure there are Dev's in both BoB and the Coalition. To the extent of their involvement, who knows! At the end of the day, the actions of BoB and the Coalition are all fantastic for the game, so who knows the extent of Dev involvement. There are also bad acts on both sides, known and unknown. Try to keep on the topic of actually logistics of taking the last holding delve systems with the problems outlined. p.s. Xirt has got to be a dev!:P
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: Atomos Darksun Actually the goons do have the moral high ground. They formed to kill cheating blockheads that need dev's help to win. Thanks for this. It be true. Also if bob weren't stupid, they could hold Delve until they run out of fuel. But BoB is stupid, so delve will fall. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:42:00 - [15] Edited by: OldPueblo on 12/02/2008 04:42:18 The only reason BoB may not lose Delve is due to abuse of the petition system. --------------
Aceoil D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:43:00 - [16] Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose.
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:47:00 - [17] Originally by: OldPueblo Edited by: OldPueblo on 12/02/2008 04:42:18 The only reason BoB may not lose Delve is due to abuse of the petition system. If you think that any ship losses/replacements (through petitions) in this whole war has concerned BoB leadership for resource reasons, you are delusional!
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Have we ever cheated? No. Yes (local mod) ---
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. You can only attack on multiple fronts if they have them. At some point, if they are taken down to 'the alamo' so to speak, you can't beat them. They won't have to be everywhere, just one place. If they are in one place in Delve, they aren't kicked out of Delve.
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Lucky One Originally by: OldPueblo Edited by: OldPueblo on 12/02/2008 04:42:18 The only reason BoB may not lose Delve is due to abuse of the petition system. If you think that any ship losses/replacements (through petitions) in this whole war has concerned BoB leadership for resource reasons, you are delusional! I'm not talking about ship replacements, however I also can't talk about what I'm talking about because I'm afraid of getting banned. --------------
nikhan Amarr Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:54:00 - [21] [ BoB Master Plan ] Hay guyz.. like maybe if we say they can't win enough on the forums with alts maybe they will pack up and go home... right???
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Lucky One Let's not let this roll into another stream of hate mail. I am sure there are Dev's in both BoB and the Coalition. To the extent of their involvement, who knows! At the end of the day, the actions of BoB and the Coalition are all fantastic for the game, so who knows the extent of Dev involvement. There are also bad acts on both sides, known and unknown. Try to keep on the topic of actually logistics of taking the last holding delve systems with the problems outlined. p.s. Xirt has got to be a dev!:P I was going to respond to Dog Solitude but, meh, you can never change an idiot's mind. Logistics do play an important part but basic morale moreso. You have to want to X up in gang or what-have-you to get the job done. RSF has spent the last year chewing through corps and alliances and we know quite well where the *****s start to appear. The same old story has been repeated again and again and again and LV are not the only ones to suffer Lotka.org, just the ones it is named after. How many leaders take a vacation or a break or have RL problems when they are winning? How many when they are losing? BoB are not special and unique snowflakes, they are the same decaying organic matter as the rest of us. They exhibit the same cognitive dissonance as every other alliance we've chewed through. I don't care how fantastic their logistics guys are or how much money they still have, they are busy trying to salve their egos with all this Good Fights nonsense. I have been playing for just over a year. I have never seen BoB attempt a Good or Fair fight and I have never heard of them attempting it either. Fighter Blobs, yes, exploitation of unkillable supercaps, yes, chest-beating, yes, goalpost moving, yes. I don't care what they tell themselves or others about the state of things, idiots will always believe what they want. BoB will not hold Delve. They should decide what to do next, if they survive as an entity. ...ugh, too dbp, d'ye think? :(
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. But if... everyone wins. Bob still wins? Fail. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:58:00 - [24] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. But if... everyone wins. Bob still wins? Fail. but not everyone wins? bob is loose?!?!?!
Mou'adib Gallente Fluffy Rabbit Killers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:01:00 - [25] this thread is lol
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Lucky One Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. You can only attack on multiple fronts if they have them. At some point, if they are taken down to 'the alamo' so to speak, you can't beat them. They won't have to be everywhere, just one place. If they are in one place in Delve, they aren't kicked out of Delve. Err little history lesson remember that alliance called Lokta Voltera? remember how BoB helped them in thier alamo? remember who lost and who won? Simple fact is that unless BoB change tactics drastically and pull a rabbit out of the hat soon they already have lost and as with all alliances be it LV ASCN G D2 etc they just don't know it yet. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Mou'adib this thread is lol is not! internet spaceships is serious business!
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:12:00 - [28] I was going to respond to Dog Solitude but, meh, you can never change an idiot's mind. Logistics do play an important part but basic morale moreso. You have to want to X up in gang or what-have-you to get the job done. RSF has spent the last year chewing through corps and alliances and we know quite well where the *****s start to appear. The same old story has been repeated again and again and again and LV are not the only ones to suffer Lotka.org, just the ones it is named after. How many leaders take a vacation or a break or have RL problems when they are winning? How many when they are losing? BoB are not special and unique snowflakes, they are the same decaying organic matter as the rest of us. They exhibit the same cognitive dissonance as every other alliance we've chewed through. I don't care how fantastic their logistics guys are or how much money they still have, they are busy trying to salve their egos with all this Good Fights nonsense. I have been playing for just over a year. I have never seen BoB attempt a Good or Fair fight and I have never heard of them attempting it either. Fighter Blobs, yes, exploitation of unkillable supercaps, yes, chest-beating, yes, goalpost moving, yes. I don't care what they tell themselves or others about the state of things, idiots will always believe what they want. BoB will not hold Delve. They should decide what to do next, if they survive as an entity. ...ugh, too dbp, d'ye think? :( You are totally correct. That is what I meant when I said people being lagged IRL. I don't always make alot of sense while drinking. In fact, I am amazed any of my post was in setences, let alone creating coherent thoughts, which some of you will argue I havent:)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:14:00 - [29] what happened to bob going to empire and messing with the privateers for a while. i think i even saw a molle post about it?
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:14:00 - [30] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Lucky One I'm pretty sure I don't need a history lesson. There is a difference between helping LV, and losing your last home system. Especially with more and more titans/caps etc. A forum rule lesson wouldn't hurt though... add your corp. Yet another reason friends shouldnt let friends post drunk!

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